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Post  princess_leia on Wed 19 May - 10:37

xtina wrote:
princess_leia wrote:So dad was extradited from Spain yesterday.

Mum kills both children yesterday - before or after extradition?

Another man is being hunted?

Dad is told about his childrens death.

Dad kills himself.

At some point mum confesses to suffocating the children.

Bizarre!

has he killed himself or what it said on sky he was appearing in court in England.....

That's what was said, trying to find out now.

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Post  pennylane on Wed 19 May - 10:37

This takes my mind 'whooshing' right back to the Gaspar statements!

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Post  princess_leia on Wed 19 May - 10:39

hmmm I'm not sure now what's going on but I'm sure Brunt said the father had killed himself too. I may have misheard. Sorry! Hopefully it will be made clearer in the next report.

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Post  princess_leia on Wed 19 May - 10:45

I apologise. I got it wrong. The father has appeared in court this morning. Sorry, sorry, sorry!

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Re: Breaking: Two British Toddlers Dead In Spanish Hotel

Post  xtina on Wed 19 May - 10:45

princess_leia wrote:hmmm I'm not sure now what's going on but I'm sure Brunt said the father had killed himself too. I may have misheard. Sorry! Hopefully it will be made clearer in the next report.

yes probably ...but it is what made me listen when it said the father was appearing in court.....well hopefully he will not be dead.....it would be too good for him.....yes it has just said he appeared in a court at carlisle...and he lived in Barcelona....

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Post  contrary on Wed 19 May - 10:46

Hmmm - wondering if it was a mercy killing as the mother wanted to prevent further sexual abuse?

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Post  xtina on Wed 19 May - 10:48

contrary wrote:Hmmm - wondering if it was a mercy killing as the mother wanted to prevent further sexual abuse?

yes i was wondering if it related to his own children....but it is him the mother should have gone for ...not them poor children ...robbed of a life....for no fault of there own...

just like maddie....................oh it is so sad......

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Post  fedrules on Wed 19 May - 10:59

God this is awful..could be that the mother only recently found out what the father had been doing and completely lost her mind. Was he charged with abusing his own children?

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Post  POPPY1 on Wed 19 May - 11:01

xtina wrote:
contrary wrote:Hmmm - wondering if it was a mercy killing as the mother wanted to prevent further sexual abuse?

yes i was wondering if it related to his own children....but it is him the mother should have gone for ...not them poor children ...robbed of a life....for no fault of there own...

just like maddie....................oh it is so sad......


This is an appallingly sad story, I feel so sorry for the children and the rest of the families involved.

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Re: Breaking: Two British Toddlers Dead In Spanish Hotel

Post  princess_leia on Wed 19 May - 11:02

According to Sky News mother was concerned she'd lose the children.

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Post  fedrules on Wed 19 May - 11:07

Well, she's certainly lost them now ...permanently. The father, a Martin Smith, had been on the run with this woman for two years so presumably she knew about the charges against him (abuse and rape of a child) and was willing to help him in his attempt to escape justice.

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Post  pennylane on Wed 19 May - 11:08

contrary wrote:Hmmm - wondering if it was a mercy killing as the mother wanted to prevent further sexual abuse?

He was facing rather a lot of charges, so that doesn't seem likely.

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Post  fedrules on Wed 19 May - 11:10

Why on earth do women get involved with these predators?

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Post  pennylane on Wed 19 May - 11:13

fedrules wrote:Well, she's certainly lost them now ...permanently. The father, a Martin Smith, had been on the run with this woman for two years so presumably she knew about the charges against him (abuse and rape of a child) and was willing to help him in his attempt to escape justice.


Why didn't she just kill herself - how despicable!

Those poor little children. This story just keeps getting worse and worse.

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Post  POPPY1 on Wed 19 May - 11:14

pennylane wrote:
contrary wrote:Hmmm - wondering if it was a mercy killing as the mother wanted to prevent further sexual abuse?

He was facing rather a lot of charges, so that doesn't seem likely.

I've just heard that the father is one of Britain's most wanted men on the BBC News.

This just gets from bad to worse.

Sometimes, this world and what goes on seems like a very bad dream.

2 more innocent victims who have not had a chance to live any kind of life.

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Post  fedrules on Wed 19 May - 11:25

He was wanted on charges relating to a 10-year period from 1995-2005. Perhaps he abused the child of a previous partner..According to the bbc, he is the mother's former partner, but the Mail claim they've been on the run together since 2008 so it's hard to know what to believe.

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Post  fedrules on Wed 19 May - 11:28

Does anyone else have the feeling that they've seen this man's face before? I definitely recognise him from somewhere..

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Post  princess_leia on Wed 19 May - 11:32

fedrules wrote:Does anyone else have the feeling that they've seen this man's face before? I definitely recognise him from somewhere..

They said something on Sky News about him appearing on Most Haunted

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Post  Smudge on Wed 19 May - 11:41

What a mess, RIP little ones.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Wed 19 May - 11:44

did i read corectly that this dad killled himself???? he must of loved his children......... what the wife did is despicible no matter if this man was the father they were still his kids.......

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Re: Breaking: Two British Toddlers Dead In Spanish Hotel

Post  princess_leia on Wed 19 May - 11:47

Justiceforallkids wrote:did i read corectly that this dad killled himself???? he must of loved his children......... what the wife did is despicible no matter if this man was the father they were still his kids.......

No he didn't kill himself. I got it wrong.

The father has appeared in court this morning on charges relating to sex offences against children. No one knows if it's his own children he abused or others.


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Post  pennylane on Wed 19 May - 11:47

deleted - already answered.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Wed 19 May - 11:49

ahhh it is a terrible situation all around....... ir proves that parents kill kids though for many reasons... those poor babies


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Re: Breaking: Two British Toddlers Dead In Spanish Hotel

Post  Annabel on Wed 19 May - 11:51

Andy Winter, Sky News Online
Sky
News has learned that the father of the two children found dead in a
Spanish hotel room is one of Britain\'s most wanted criminals.


The
bodies of five-year-old Rebecca Smith and Daniel Smith, aged 11 months,
were discovered at the Hotel Miramar in the resort of Lloret de Mar on
the Costa Brava on Tuesday.

Mother Lianne Smith - who is being questioned in Spain over the
deaths - has confessed to suffocating the children \"with a plastic
bag\", according to Sky News sources.

Martin Smith, 45, from North Shields, was seized in Barcelona on Friday, more than two years after he failed to answer bail in the UK.

He was extradited yesterday and remanded in custody when he appeared
in court in Cumbria today charged with 13 sex offences, including rape
and child sex abuse.


The mother is now being held in Girona
Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said Smith\'s extradition
may have sparked the sequence of events leading to the children\'s
deaths.

Brunt said: \"His removal back to the UK may have triggered this terrible tragedy.

\"A source in Spain has told me that Lianne Smith said to police she
was very concerned that the Spanish authorities would take the children
off her.\"

Smith was given the news last night by Cumbria police that his two
children had died and police officers described him as being distraught.

\"It is an extraordinary twist to a very tragic story,\" said Brunt.


The atmosphere at the Hotel Miramar is \'subdued\'

Initial reports had suggested there were no obvious signs of violence at the scene.

Brunt added: \"It looks as though a plastic bag was used to kill them - that is the latest information from Spanish sources.\"

The results of post-mortems are expected today or tomorrow.

A psychological evaluation is also being carried out on Ms Smith.

She went to reception shortly before 2pm Tuesday and emergency services were called. Efforts to save Rebecca and Daniel failed.

After her arrest she was taken to her hotel room by police and an
investigating judge to help them reconstruct events leading up to the
children\'s deaths.











A Google map shows Lloret de Mar, north of Barcelona

Describing the scene outside the hotel, Sky\'s Ursula Errington said the atmosphere was \"subdued\".

She added: \"There are still two seals on the door of room 101 signed
by the director-general of the Ministry of Justice of Catalonia
stopping anyone going in.\"

A Foreign Office spokeswoman said consular staff were in contact with the police.

She said: \"We can confirm that we will be providing consular assistance to a British national.\"


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Post  Guest on Wed 19 May - 11:54

I just read the mother apparently suffocated them with a plastic bag . Incredible ?

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