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Post  docmac on Tue 3 Aug - 9:13

Superintendent Cox also would not say whether Ms Abrahams and Mr Smith were suspects in the police investigation.

In other words...

"She used to come over to my house, she loved playing in the backyard, riding her bike, going to the park," she said.

Of course, it's not at all odd that the child had not been doing this for 3 weeks.

This grandmother also speaks a lot, like someone else I remember.
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 9:25

i keep waiting to see cuddle cat..... i hooe this little girl is found safe and well
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  Dimsie on Tue 3 Aug - 9:45

Justiceforallkids wrote:

The Sydney Morning Herald
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Kiesha would often spend time at her grandmother's Bidwill home, Mrs Smith said.

"She used to come over to my house, she loved playing in the backyard, riding her bike, going to the park," she said.
"We just want the little girl found but we've just got to leave it in the hands of the police."
Well, yes, no doubt the police will do their utmost to find out what happened to Kiesha, but it's to be hoped they're allowed to proceed with the investigation as they see fit and not be thwarted by anyone. If they need any of Kiesha's clothes it's to be hoped they're allowed to have them, not have some official figure step in and refuse to allow them. If they need her medical records or details of her parents' finances or records of phone calls made or any such thing I presume no one will stand in the way of their having access to these things. It's encouraging to see the police are 'reviewing Kiesha's kindergarten attendance record and "any relevant welfare reports"', so let's hope this ability to access records continues.
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 10:09

dimsie it all sounds very suspicious to me .... sorta like a carrbon copy of maddies case i hope not............
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Post  Guest on Tue 3 Aug - 10:21

Dimsie wrote:
Justiceforallkids wrote:

The Sydney Morning Herald
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Kiesha would often spend time at her grandmother's Bidwill home, Mrs Smith said.

"She used to come over to my house, she loved playing in the backyard, riding her bike, going to the park," she said.
"We just want the little girl found but we've just got to leave it in the hands of the police."
Well, yes, no doubt the police will do their utmost to find out what happened to Kiesha, but it's to be hoped they're allowed to proceed with the investigation as they see fit and not be thwarted by anyone. If they need any of Kiesha's clothes it's to be hoped they're allowed to have them, not have some official figure step in and refuse to allow them. If they need her medical records or details of her parents' finances or records of phone calls made or any such thing I presume no one will stand in the way of their having access to these things. It's encouraging to see the police are 'reviewing Kiesha's kindergarten attendance record and "any relevant welfare reports"', so let's hope this ability to access records continues.

Presumably Kiesha's parents aren't nice, white, middle class doctors with powerful friends in high places.
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 10:22

the mum looks italian to me
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Post  Guest on Tue 3 Aug - 10:31

Justiceforallkids wrote:the mum looks italian to me

Abrahams is a Jewish name, so are the first names of some of the family - Levi, Rebecca. Kirsti could be an anglicized form of the Hebrew name Yiska. But she is obviously not a very observant Jew or she wouldn't be covered in tattoos.


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Post  hobnob on Tue 3 Aug - 10:33





from a slightly different angle - the same interview

Ok she is faking the tears,her face isn't using the muscles that one normally uses when crying , she is making noises but there are no tears. She is using the sunglasses to hide the fact that her eyes aren't red and puffy and are bone dry. neither is her face reddened or puffy
her hand is also hiding most of her face again covering the fact there are no tears and that she is making noises rather than crying.

The step father isn't comforting her as would a partner whose wife is in deep distress and she isn't leaning towards him in a quest for comfort and reassurance.
By hiding behind her hand and shades she is putting up a barrier between herself and the media.
We cannot see what is really happening only what she wants us to think is happening.
Notice also she never answered any questions or asked for her daughter to be returned instead she mumbled something and whined and sniffed. (maybe she went to the kate mccann school of dramatic arts)
I am seeing a liar who has learned from tv that people will be watching he rlanguage and thus has figured out how to make it harder for them to discover discrepencies if she doesn't actually say anything.
I am seeing tension between her and the stepfather.
He is going through the motions rather than offering actual comfort and support.
There is also a lot of negative head shaking coming from him when he asks if anyone has any info and again when he says that he watched a movie with her.
Also he isn't actually looking anyone in the face his is turned away and he looks towards the ground. again when asked if he has any idea he says no and if he did he would be out looking and again a lot of head shaking.
Compare him to the other man (think he said he was the father or father something it was indistinct) who is holding his head up and making direct eye contact with those asking the questions. No head shaking that was obvious there so he doesn't seem to be involved. the lip licking indicates nervousness but then given the press scrum that isn't a surprise.
I would say the mom is the guilty party and the stepfather is involved in the cover up.
they need to seperate them and question them both at the same time and play spot the discrepency.
I also wonder if they have asked her younger sibling what she knows of her sister. when she last saw her big sister and if she saw mom or dad hit her or do something to her
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 10:47

hobnob it doesnt sound right does it?
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 11:26

he mother and stepfather of missing six-year-old Kiesha Abrahams say they are going through hell over her disappearance, as specialist homicide detectives take charge of the hunt for the child.

As the search for the western Sydney girl entered its third day on Tuesday, police said they were puzzled no one except her parents appeared to have seen Kiesha in the last three weeks.

Detective Inspector Russell Oxford of the NSW Police homicide squad said Kiesha's grandmother last saw her on July 7 when the little girl visited her newborn brother in hospital.

It is around this time that family friends last reported sighting the little girl, who has been described as happy, quiet and not given to wandering off.

She was last seen at 9.30pm (AEST) on Saturday when her mother, Kristi Abrahams, put her to bed in pink pyjamas and a purple Pumpkin Patch jacket at their apartment block unit on Woodstock Ave at Mount Druitt.

She was reported missing on Sunday morning after her mother discovered the empty bed and the front door ajar, although it showed no sign of forced entry.

Det Insp Oxford appealed for anyone who may have seen Kiesha in the last few weeks to come forward, as a special strike force, codenamed Jarocin, was set up to co-ordinate the investigation.

He said July 7 was an important date because that was the day Kiesha's brother Levi was born.

"Somebody must have seen Kiesha and the family during that time," he told reporters at Mount Druitt.

"That's the puzzling part for us, the lack of sightings of the young child.

"I need to find out something that might have been important in her life - has she been exposed to anybody or has something significant happened in that time?"

In an emotional appeal for anyone with information to come forward, Kiesha's mother was barely able to speak through her tears as she described her daughter as "beautiful".

Kiesha's stepfather Robert Smith said the family was going through hell.

He last saw Kiesha when they watched a movie, The Golden Compass, on Saturday night, he said.

"It's been hell", he said.

"I can't describe how it's been. You don't know until you've been in my shoes.

"It gets harder by the minute."

Mr Smith described his stepdaughter as "always happy, bubbly".

"She loved playing, just like any kid would," he said.

Rodney Jones, father of Kristi and Kiesha's grandfather, said Ms Abrahams believed Kiesha, who loves cats, may have got up in the night to play with one.

"I think someone got her from there," he said.

Det Insp Oxford confirmed Kiesha had been absent from school for the last three weeks. He said police were investigating whether the NSW Department of Community Services or other government agencies were previously involved with the family.

Kiesha's step-grandmother, Rebecca Smith, rubbished speculation about the schoolgirl's welfare in the days before she disappeared.

"These people are suffering and in turmoil, they're not interested in all this other stupid rubbish," she told Fairfax newspapers.

Det Insp Oxford said police held a genuine hope that Kiesha was alive and well, and nothing sinister should be read into the involvement of the homicide squad.

Police on Tuesday widened their search, examining Whalan Reserve, an area of parkland about a kilometre west of Kiesha's home.

They then moved on to northern bushland at Bidwill and were due to resume canvassing the neighbourhood later on Tuesday.

"The clock is ticking," Det Insp Oxford said.
Anyone who has seen Kiesha, described as about 140cm tall with blonde hair and blue eyes, should phone Mount Druitt police station on 9675 0000 or Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  lynn on Tue 3 Aug - 11:28

Can't get over how much facewise this little girl looks like Madeleine.
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 11:28

Justiceforallkids wrote:he mother and stepfather of missing six-year-old Kiesha Abrahams say they are going through hell over her disappearance, as specialist homicide detectives take charge of the hunt for the child.

As the search for the western Sydney girl entered its third day on Tuesday, police said they were puzzled no one except her parents appeared to have seen Kiesha in the last three weeks.

Detective Inspector Russell Oxford of the NSW Police homicide squad said Kiesha's grandmother last saw her on July 7 when the little girl visited her newborn brother in hospital.

It is around this time that family friends last reported sighting the little girl, who has been described as happy, quiet and not given to wandering off.

She was last seen at 9.30pm (AEST) on Saturday when her mother, Kristi Abrahams, put her to bed in pink pyjamas and a purple Pumpkin Patch jacket at their apartment block unit on Woodstock Ave at Mount Druitt.

She was reported missing on Sunday morning after her mother discovered the empty bed and the front door ajar, although it showed no sign of forced entry.

Det Insp Oxford appealed for anyone who may have seen Kiesha in the last few weeks to come forward, as a special strike force, codenamed Jarocin, was set up to co-ordinate the investigation.

He said July 7 was an important date because that was the day Kiesha's brother Levi was born.

"Somebody must have seen Kiesha and the family during that time," he told reporters at Mount Druitt.

"That's the puzzling part for us, the lack of sightings of the young child.

"I need to find out something that might have been important in her life - has she been exposed to anybody or has something significant happened in that time?"

In an emotional appeal for anyone with information to come forward, Kiesha's mother was barely able to speak through her tears as she described her daughter as "beautiful".

Kiesha's stepfather Robert Smith said the family was going through hell.

He last saw Kiesha when they watched a movie, The Golden Compass, on Saturday night, he said.

"It's been hell", he said.

"I can't describe how it's been. You don't know until you've been in my shoes.

"It gets harder by the minute."

Mr Smith described his stepdaughter as "always happy, bubbly".

"She loved playing, just like any kid would," he said.

Rodney Jones, father of Kristi and Kiesha's grandfather, said Ms Abrahams believed Kiesha, who loves cats, may have got up in the night to play with one.

"I think someone got her from there," he said.

Det Insp Oxford confirmed Kiesha had been absent from school for the last three weeks. He said police were investigating whether the NSW Department of Community Services or other government agencies were previously involved with the family.

Kiesha's step-grandmother, Rebecca Smith, rubbished speculation about the schoolgirl's welfare in the days before she disappeared.

"These people are suffering and in turmoil, they're not interested in all this other stupid rubbish," she told Fairfax newspapers.

Det Insp Oxford said police held a genuine hope that Kiesha was alive and well, and nothing sinister should be read into the involvement of the homicide squad.

Police on Tuesday widened their search, examining Whalan Reserve, an area of parkland about a kilometre west of Kiesha's home.

They then moved on to northern bushland at Bidwill and were due to resume canvassing the neighbourhood later on Tuesday.

"The clock is ticking," Det Insp Oxford said.
Anyone who has seen Kiesha, described as about 140cm tall with blonde hair and blue eyes, should phone Mount Druitt police station on 9675 0000 or Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

oh dear again its THEY are going though hell and the grandfather said THEY got her who is this THEY
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 11:30

lynn wrote:Can't get over how much facewise this little girl looks like Madeleine.

THATS What i thought the age progerssion photo of maddie and this little girl look identical
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Police are doorknocking

Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 3 Aug - 11:32

And it looks like they don't believe the story being given out by Kiesha's mother and step-father.

Police and volunteers in western Sydney are doorknocking homes for the third night in a row as they search for missing six-year-old girl Kiesha Abrahams.

Detectives are trying to work out how long the girl has been missing for and have set up a taskforce including homicide squad and sex crime detectives.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/03/2972541.htm?section=justin

Forensic investigators have been sifting through the family's unit and garage, but Detective Inspector Russell Oxford says people should not assume the worst.

"What we're simply dealing with is a disappearance of a young six-year-old child," he said.

Kiesha's mother Kristi Abrahams told police the last time she saw her daughter was Saturday night when she put her to bed.

Today the family appeared before the media to ask for help to find her.

"If anyone has seen her can they please contact the police," her mother said, visibly upset.

When asked what her daughter was like, she replied, "she was beautiful" before breaking down.

Ms Abrahams's partner, Robert Smith, said they are finding the situation very hard.

"Last time I saw her was, we were watching a movie together," he said.

"Anyone, someone must know something. Please come forward. She's beautiful, funny, always happy."

Kiesha's grandfather Rodney Jones says he has talked to her mother about what could have happened to her.

"She's just told me that Kiesha, the units where she lives, there's always all these stray cats and she likes playing with them and she thinks Kiesha's got up [and] gone out to find a cat," he said.

"And I think someone's got her from there."

Police say Kiesha has not been at school and has not been seen by anyone else since early July when her baby brother was born.

Det Insp Oxford says that was when the girl's grandmother last saw her.

"We have interviewed the parents and they've given us an indication that she was put to bed at 9.30pm on Saturday night," he said.

"It's important for us to fill in the gaps at the moment. We know that Kiesha had a young brother who was born, a young brother called Levi was born three-and-a-half weeks ago. Now that could be an important point in their life."

Det Insp Oxford says police are looking at any relevant welfare reports.

"I don't want to focus on the involvement of DOCS or otherwise. My hope today is to try and appeal to the public to help us find her," he said.

"Certainly the involvement of DOCS and other agencies is something we're looking at but I don't think it's something I need to start broadcasting."


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Post  hobnob on Tue 3 Aug - 11:32

I hope they get a trained person to talk to her 2 year old sister and see when she last saw her sister. She may only be young but she will know if she saw her sister 'last night or yesterday'
the adults may have thought they had covered every option but they cannot keep a 2 year old quiet and what she says may well be the nail in the coffin.
If she says that she didn't see her sister 'yesterday' and she was at home all day then the parents have a lot of explaining to do as to why they said they saw Kiesha when they put her to bed that night but her sister hadn't seen her all day.

Out of the mouths of babes.....


notice the deafening silence coming from team mccann? maybe they have got wise to jumping on the band wagon only to find out the perpetrator is someone known to the victim such as a family member or the victims family.
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  kitti on Tue 3 Aug - 11:32

Oh dear......'loved' and 'was'...


Should be 'loves' and 'is'...
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 3 Aug - 11:36

hobnob wrote:I hope they get a trained person to talk to her 2 year old sister and see when she last saw her sister. She may only be young but she will know if she saw her sister 'last night or yesterday'
the adults may have thought they had covered every option but they cannot keep a 2 year old quiet and what she says may well be the nail in the coffin.
If she says that she didn't see her sister 'yesterday' and she was at home all day then the parents have a lot of explaining to do as to why they said they saw Kiesha when they put her to bed that night but her sister hadn't seen her all day.

Out of the mouths of babes.....


notice the deafening silence coming from team mccann? maybe they have got wise to jumping on the band wagon only to find out the perpetrator is someone known to the victim such as a family member or the victims family.

Yep! No comment it seems on either this case or that of Syler Newton.

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Post  pennylane on Tue 3 Aug - 11:37

Mr Smith described his stepdaughter as "always happy, bubbly".

"She loved playing, just like any kid would," he said.




What Mr Smith actually said in the above video was....

"she WAS always happy"

and "she LOVED playing."


Both past tense.
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 11:48



Kiesha Abrahams



maddie mcann age enhanced





the pictures are so similer




omg thei photos are so similer...... the aged one of maddie i mean is very similer not that im saying she is maddie but it proves most 3 to 6 year olds look similer
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Post  hobnob on Tue 3 Aug - 11:53

When asked what her daughter was like, she replied, "she was beautiful" before breaking down

They managed to decipher that from all her whining?

That single sentence tells us all what we need to know.
a family/ parents who know or believe their missing person especially a child will ALWAYS use the present tense when talking about them, often parents will still use the present tense even after the child has been buried simply because they cannot or will not accept that child is dead.
Past tense is only ever used when the person speaking knows that the person they are talking about is dead.

The step mom did it, the step father is involved in someway either in the act or the subsequent disposal and cover up.
What we need to work out now is the why.

Probably Kiesha is a reminder of her previous partner and was seen possibly as threat to her relationship with the new partner with whom she has had 2 kids. Kiesha was now an outsider rather than part of the nuclear family.

Strained relations between the mom and biological father? possibly but then i think we would have heard rumors from other family members about rows maybe or custody issues, especially from the biological father ( though we may hear of those later)

Domestic violence? well the police are looking into welfare issues and if there have been any in the past. I would assume they will also be looking at their past histories to see if there have been any crimes even if things like drug possesion or drunkeness.

No doubt the police will also be talking to school staff to learn about Kieshas general behavior and appearance, any unexplained bruises, subdued behavior, inappropriate behavior etc.

Whether it was deliberate or accidental is to be seen but i tend towards the deliberate. Had it been accidental they would have dialed 000 ( thats the oz version of 911 or 999)
had it been say accidental ingestion of drugs again they could have dialed 000 and hoped for the best.
The only reason for this delay that i can see if it turns out that she has been dead for several weeks as seems likely is that it was homicide.
Why else would they carry on the charade if it had been accidental or a genuine abduction ( think casey anthony)

I can see the rest of the family asking a lot of questions about who saw her and when and applying pressure to the mom and step dad to tell the truth.
Their main concern and i also believe the concern of the cops is whether the other 2 children are at risk of harm.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 2 remaining siblings are taken into the grandparents care in the near future with some excuse given and also that both shildren are given a full health check for signs of physical abuse, drugs etc.

This case won't drag on for a long time. i feel the cops know the who and the when they just need the body to confirm the how and the when, though given the wildlife in australia ( i do not know what they have in that area regarding crocs and wild animals) it may be that there is little or no body to recover.

feel free to comment or add other suggestions to this post as i am always interested to see how others read the case
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 12:00

in sydney theres no corcs but in certian parts theres kangaroos wallabys etc in bushland
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Post  kitti on Tue 3 Aug - 12:01

She looks 'baggie-eyed' to me...her right eye looks different.
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Re: missing 6 year old australian girl Kiesha

Post  Panda on Tue 3 Aug - 12:15


What is a "Unit" the Family lived in? Is it a Caravan? If there were stray cats around it suggests a not "very
desirable" residence and the fact that Kiesha was allowed to run around looking for stray cats was hardly
good parenting of a 6 yr old.
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 3 Aug - 12:25

Panda wrote:
What is a "Unit" the Family lived in? Is it a Caravan? If there were stray cats around it suggests a not "very
desirable" residence and the fact that Kiesha was allowed to run around looking for stray cats was hardly
good parenting of a 6 yr old.

a unit is a flat/apartment
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Post  Sandi on Tue 3 Aug - 14:15

hobnob wrote:

They managed to decipher that from all her whining?

That single sentence tells us all what we need to know.
a family/ parents who know or believe their missing person especially a child will ALWAYS use the present tense when talking about them, often parents will still use the present tense even after the child has been buried simply because they cannot or will not accept that child is dead.
Past tense is only ever used when the person speaking knows that the person they are talking about is dead.

Exactly hobnob, an excellent post by the way, I saw a video the other day of a missing child one year on and they were talking about the child and the mother said she "was" blah blah and then realised their mistake almost immediately and said "is".

No matter how well prepared people think they are little things catch them out.
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