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Post  mara thon on Tue 17 Aug - 12:30

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_26974.shtml

The tragedy happened on Saturday evening

A British toddler has drowned in her family’s swimming pool in Benitatxell, Alicante.

The tragedy happened on Saturday afternoon when the two year old’s mother was inside the house with the rest of the family including the girl’s twin brother. The family are reported to have lived in Spain for some time, and it was the mother who found the body of her daughter in the water.

Gabriela Lousia Manning was already unconscious when emergency workers arrived at the scene at 5pm on Saturday evening, and the British Foreign Office has confirmed the death.
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The comments are interesting:

Phil. Alicante16-8-2010 16:08This is another tragedy we see too often in the Spanish resorts. When are the parents going to realise that they need to look after their children 24/7 at their early stage of life. Probably here there is no blaming the parents or who was in charge of the children at the time. Unfortunately, can this be a lesson to all families that you need to look after your children when enjoying yourself when there are dangers around, IE, swimming pools. God bless the little child. I hope this is a reminder to all families that accidents do happen to everyone. R.I.P. little one.

jon surrey and moraira16-8-2010 19:19as a single father of three and holidaying in private villas with pools,i agree yhat you cant leave toddlers for 1 momment,not even turning your head round to talk to some one,it takes just seconds,please families enjoying your break,learn a lesson from this so no other fatalities occur,, god bless her,R.I.P little one xx

zaheer16-8-2010 20:44parents should be careful


Robert17-8-2010 12:19We have an unfenced pool but have no children and I have no experience of looking after children but what annoys me is that when people visit us with young children I am the one left on tenterhooks ensuring that the children do not come to grief in the pool whilst everyone else just carries on and does their own thing.

As a result I am considering banning visitors with children under ten years of age because I am sure that, as the owner of the pool, I shall be the one held responsible if anything untoward happens.

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It just goes to show what can happen to small children in a very short time.







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Post  Sandi on Tue 17 Aug - 13:10

Thank you for posting mara thon, yes accidents can happen so quickly with children. But the comment about banning children, the guy really does need to up the age to 18 cos nowadays anyone sues anyone for the sheer hell of it. Accidents around pools and ponds happen and nobody can watch their child every minute 24/7 and it is rather ridiculous for anybody to suggest they can.

It only takes that split second for an accident to occur.

Poor family must be devastated.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 17 Aug - 13:25

Yes, Sandi, accidents can happen in a split second, but who allows a two-year-old to wander around on their own where there is an unfenced pool? And how many seconds does it take for a child to be found floating? I don't have that much sympathy, I'm afraid, because a two-year-old should not be wandering around like that, obviously unsupervised.

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Post  Sandi on Tue 17 Aug - 14:01

Well Anna, until the full facts are known, I don't think anyone should start condemning a family. How many times have each of us with our own children, got on with doing jobs and they have been playing and our household duties means that they have been left unattended? How many times of each of us thought to ourselves it is quiet in there what are they up to? How many of us have been to the loo and left children unattended?

For all we know they could have been playing inside and one of them opened the door and the other sneaked out unbeknown to the parents. This could have been just a tragic accident, because they do happen and I do not feel right criticising the parents before we know the full facts.


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Post  kitti on Tue 17 Aug - 14:07

Some people even go to dinner leaving their kids in an apt all alone with a swimming pool and road nearby, they dont seem to bother about accidents.


I dont think we can apportion blame here whereas the parents off madeleine went out knowing that she could walk out and fall into the pool and go onto the road and get knocked down or even put her finger in a socket or fill the bath up with water and fall into it, the mccanns actually thought it could happen but didnt care.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 17 Aug - 14:08

Sandi wrote:Well Anna, until the full facts are known, I don't think anyone should start condemning a family. How many times have each of us with our own children, got on with doing jobs and they have been playing and our household duties means that they have been left unattended? How many times of each of us thought to ourselves it is quiet in there what are they up to? How many of us have been to the loo and left children unattended?

For all we know they could have been playing inside and one of them opened the door and the other sneaked out unbeknown to the parents. This could have been just a tragic accident, because they do happen and I do not feel right criticising the parents before we know the full facts.


Well, Sandi, I would never call myself the perfect parent, but when mine were two-years-old I took them with me when I went to the loo and they were never left unattended while I did household chores. It surely takes a lot longer than a trip to the loo time for a child to find his/her way to a swimming pool, drown and be found floating.

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Post  Sandi on Tue 17 Aug - 14:19

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1303472/British-girl-drowns-swimming-pool-Spain.html#ixzz0wn5h9MOt

Left alone for just a few seconds: British girl, two, drowns in swimming pool in Spain

By Tom Worden
Last updated at 3:17 PM on 16th August 2010



Boats on the Costa Blanca (file photo). A British toddler has drowned in the area at her mother's swimming pool

A British girl of two has drowned in a swimming pool at her mother's villa in Spain.

Gabriela Louisa Manning fell in the pool while her mother attended her twin brother inside the house, police said.

The tragedy happened at around 5pm on Saturday in the village of Benitatxell, 50 miles north east of Alicante on the Costa Brava, where the mother lives with her two children.

A spokeswoman for the Guardia Civil, investigating the death, said: 'It appears the mother went inside the house to attend to the young boy, and when she went back outside she found the girl's body floating in the water.

'She pulled the girl from the water and tried to revive her, them immediately called the emergency services.

'Tragically they were unable to revive her either.

'Unfortunately it can take less than 30 seconds for a person to drown and we are seeing more and more of these types of death in private swimming pools.

'The mother is understandably distraught.'

Civil Guard officers examined scene, the swimming pool and the house.

But the spokeswoman added: 'Everything points to this being a tragic accident.'

It is understood the mother, who has been living in Spain for several years, is separated from the children's father, who is thought to live in the UK.


Tragedy: The incident happened at around 5pm on Saturday in the village of Benitatxell, 50 miles north-east of Alicante

She was treated for shock at her home.

A spokeswoman for the ambulance service in the province of Alicante, on the east coast of Spain, said: 'We received an emergency call from the mother at 5.09pm saying she her two-year-old daughter had fallen in the swimming pool.

'An ambulance was sent to the address, a private home, and paramedics attempted to revive the girl but they were unable to save her life.

'She was unconscious when they arrived and was pronounced dead at the scene.'

The toddler's body was taken to the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Alicante where an autopsy is/was due to be carried out today.

A judge overseeing an investigation into the death visited the villa before agreeing the body could be moved.

The toddler had no visible injuries or signs of violence.

The mayor of Benitatxell, Josefa Ronda Valles, said: 'We are very saddened by this tragic death and our hearts go out to the young girl's mother and the rest of the family.'

The seaside village is hugely popular with British expats, who account for around half the population.



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Post  Sandi on Tue 17 Aug - 14:23

AnnaEsse wrote: It surely takes a lot longer than a trip to the loo time for a child to find his/her way to a swimming pool, drown and be found floating.

It can take as little as 30 seconds for someone to drown. The Daily Mail gives more details, the mother apparently took the little boy in to deal with him and left the other child. When she returned she found the toddler in the pool. She had been outside with them prior to her taking the little boy indoors to tend to him.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 17 Aug - 14:30

Sandi wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote: It surely takes a lot longer than a trip to the loo time for a child to find his/her way to a swimming pool, drown and be found floating.

It can take as little as 30 seconds for someone to drown. The Daily Mail gives more details, the mother apparently took the little boy in to deal with him and left the other child. When she returned she found the toddler in the pool. She had been outside with them prior to her taking the little boy indoors to tend to him.

Thank you Sandi.

I know I am being judgmental here, but I would have taken the two-year-old into the house with me, rather than leave her outside while I dealt with another child. I have always been an over-cautious parent I suppose, but that's what I would have done.

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Post  Claudia79 on Tue 17 Aug - 14:32

Well, the child who paid the ultimate price certainly isn't to blame. Whether there is intention or not, whether there is negligence or just a terrible accident, parents are responsible for their children. Always.

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Post  docmac on Tue 17 Aug - 14:45

Sandi wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote: It surely takes a lot longer than a trip to the loo time for a child to find his/her way to a swimming pool, drown and be found floating.

It can take as little as 30 seconds for someone to drown. The Daily Mail gives more details, the mother apparently took the little boy in to deal with him and left the other child. When she returned she found the toddler in the pool. She had been outside with them prior to her taking the little boy indoors to tend to him.

Impossible. But this does not excuse the negligence of this mother, of course.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 17 Aug - 14:49

imo this is a tragedy the little girl died and the mum will live with the fact that for one split second she was distracted and her daughter died accidents happen.......

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Post  Sandi on Tue 17 Aug - 14:54

Beg to differ docmac

http://first-aid.suite101.com/article.cfm/children-can-drown-in-less-time-than-it-takes-to-answer-a-phone

A child can drown in five to eight centimetres of water within 30 seconds.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2698_132/ai_104971291/

While shallow water in pools or along coastlines seem harmless enough to let a child splash around in, you may be surprised to learn that most drownings occur in less than four feet of water. In fact, experts from the American Safety & Health Institute (ASHI), a first aid training and safety organization dedicated to designing and delivering programs in health, aquatic safety, and emergency medical care, warn that small children can drown in as little as one inch of water and in just 30 seconds.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 17 Aug - 14:56

drowning is usally silent too

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 17 Aug - 15:14

Sandi wrote:Beg to differ docmac

http://first-aid.suite101.com/article.cfm/children-can-drown-in-less-time-than-it-takes-to-answer-a-phone

A child can drown in five to eight centimetres of water within 30 seconds.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2698_132/ai_104971291/

While shallow water in pools or along coastlines seem harmless enough to let a child splash around in, you may be surprised to learn that most drownings occur in less than four feet of water. In fact, experts from the American Safety & Health Institute (ASHI), a first aid training and safety organization dedicated to designing and delivering programs in health, aquatic safety, and emergency medical care, warn that small children can drown in as little as one inch of water and in just 30 seconds.

Which are the reasons that I would not have left the two-year-old by the pool.

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Post  wjk on Tue 17 Aug - 15:43

But who on here would really leave a two year old near a swimming pool, even for a few seconds?
I know I wouldn't.

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Post  Carolina on Tue 17 Aug - 15:53

The head of a young child is much heavier in proportion to the rest of their body and that means when they fall facefirst in the water, it is virtually impossible for them to lift their head out of the water. That is why it is so easy for them to drown in even very shallow waters.

I simply do not understand why the mother took the boy inside and left the girl unattended by the pool!!

I wonder if an accident happened when Kate was taking her shower (according to her statements) and left the three children alone with biscuits. How irresponsible can someone be to do something like that.

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Post  tanszi on Tue 17 Aug - 16:31

Yes it is tragic, yes im sure the mother and rest of the family are besides themselves with grief; yet im with those who wouldnt leave any child alone for even seconds near a pool. It happens too often; my brothers home had a small pool and he filled it in when children arrived, my parents had a large goldfish pond it was covered over with a special mesh so children couldnt fall in and was also fenced off; even so none of the family children were left on their own in the garden less they tried to climb the fence. Regardless my thoughts are with the mother and family and a prayer for the child who drowned.

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Post  lifeisforliving on Tue 17 Aug - 16:45

The message that I am getting from this thread is that no toddler should be left for even 30 seconds out of the sight of an adult. Personally, I think anyone who can manage that is a saint and those who have managed till their children reached beyond the toddler stage deserve to be on some kind of roll of honour. I know that while always being very attentive I can't claim perfection in my own observations of children in my care. Every good parent and carer tries their best but those who achieve perfection are very special indeed.

With regard to this particular story I have to wonder how some can be judge and jury on such a small amount of actual information (and all of it via the notoriously unreliable press of course). If the child was left alongside the pool itself then that was wrong. I don't know if that happened. I will leave it to the investigators to give details of the layout of the property etc. before pronouncing judgement.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 17 Aug - 17:03

lifeisforliving wrote:The message that I am getting from this thread is that no toddler should be left for even 30 seconds out of the sight of an adult. Personally, I think anyone who can manage that is a saint and those who have managed till their children reached beyond the toddler stage deserve to be on some kind of roll of honour. I know that while always being very attentive I can't claim perfection in my own observations of children in my care. Every good parent and carer tries their best but those who achieve perfection are very special indeed.

With regard to this particular story I have to wonder how some can be judge and jury on such a small amount of actual information (and all of it via the notoriously unreliable press of course). If the child was left alongside the pool itself then that was wrong. I don't know if that happened. I will leave it to the investigators to give details of the layout of the property etc. before pronouncing judgement.

I don't think you're getting the right message. Like a previous poster on this thread, I filled in a pond in my garden. I did this when my grandson was on the point of being mobile simply because a few seconds is all it takes. There are, of course, accidents that will happen however careful we are, but there are ways of cutting down on the risks. My garden doesn't have a pond any more, but it's not child-proof either since there are no gates. So, my grandson is never out there by himself, although he is nearly four. Since a small child can drown very quickly in just a few inches of water, leaving a two-year-old, even for 30 seconds on their own by a pool is a risk that I wouldn't take.

Thirty seconds out of the sight of an adult very much depends on the context. That length of time on their own in, perhaps, their own bedroom where risks have been assessed and the room is fairly safe, is very different from 30 seconds by a swimming pool. I would have felt OK leaving my grandson in his own room for a very short while when he was 2 years old because there was a stair gate at the top of the stairs down to the hall and one to the stairs to the attic rooms. I wouldn't have left him on his own in my garden, with or without a pond.

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Post  lifeisforliving on Tue 17 Aug - 17:30

AnnaEsse wrote:
lifeisforliving wrote:The message that I am getting from this thread is that no toddler should be left for even 30 seconds out of the sight of an adult. Personally, I think anyone who can manage that is a saint and those who have managed till their children reached beyond the toddler stage deserve to be on some kind of roll of honour. I know that while always being very attentive I can't claim perfection in my own observations of children in my care. Every good parent and carer tries their best but those who achieve perfection are very special indeed.

With regard to this particular story I have to wonder how some can be judge and jury on such a small amount of actual information (and all of it via the notoriously unreliable press of course). If the child was left alongside the pool itself then that was wrong. I don't know if that happened. I will leave it to the investigators to give details of the layout of the property etc. before pronouncing judgement.

I don't think you're getting the right message. Like a previous poster on this thread, I filled in a pond in my garden. I did this when my grandson was on the point of being mobile simply because a few seconds is all it takes. There are, of course, accidents that will happen however careful we are, but there are ways of cutting down on the risks. My garden doesn't have a pond any more, but it's not child-proof either since there are no gates. So, my grandson is never out there by himself, although he is nearly four. Since a small child can drown very quickly in just a few inches of water, leaving a two-year-old, even for 30 seconds on their own by a pool is a risk that I wouldn't take.

Thirty seconds out of the sight of an adult very much depends on the context. That length of time on their own in, perhaps, their own bedroom where risks have been assessed and the room is fairly safe, is very different from 30 seconds by a swimming pool. I would have felt OK leaving my grandson in his own room for a very short while when he was 2 years old because there was a stair gate at the top of the stairs down to the hall and one to the stairs to the attic rooms. I wouldn't have left him on his own in my garden, with or without a pond.

I don't think I have missed any point. Just won't be joining in with a judgemental post till I am sure of the facts.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 17 Aug - 17:39

lifeisforliving wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
lifeisforliving wrote:The message that I am getting from this thread is that no toddler should be left for even 30 seconds out of the sight of an adult. Personally, I think anyone who can manage that is a saint and those who have managed till their children reached beyond the toddler stage deserve to be on some kind of roll of honour. I know that while always being very attentive I can't claim perfection in my own observations of children in my care. Every good parent and carer tries their best but those who achieve perfection are very special indeed.

With regard to this particular story I have to wonder how some can be judge and jury on such a small amount of actual information (and all of it via the notoriously unreliable press of course). If the child was left alongside the pool itself then that was wrong. I don't know if that happened. I will leave it to the investigators to give details of the layout of the property etc. before pronouncing judgement.

I don't think you're getting the right message. Like a previous poster on this thread, I filled in a pond in my garden. I did this when my grandson was on the point of being mobile simply because a few seconds is all it takes. There are, of course, accidents that will happen however careful we are, but there are ways of cutting down on the risks. My garden doesn't have a pond any more, but it's not child-proof either since there are no gates. So, my grandson is never out there by himself, although he is nearly four. Since a small child can drown very quickly in just a few inches of water, leaving a two-year-old, even for 30 seconds on their own by a pool is a risk that I wouldn't take.

Thirty seconds out of the sight of an adult very much depends on the context. That length of time on their own in, perhaps, their own bedroom where risks have been assessed and the room is fairly safe, is very different from 30 seconds by a swimming pool. I would have felt OK leaving my grandson in his own room for a very short while when he was 2 years old because there was a stair gate at the top of the stairs down to the hall and one to the stairs to the attic rooms. I wouldn't have left him on his own in my garden, with or without a pond.

I don't think I have missed any point. Just won't be joining in with a judgemental post till I am sure of the facts.

You did make this comment:

The message that I am getting from this thread is that no toddler should be left for even 30 seconds out of the sight of an adult.


But that is definitely not the point. The point is context.

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Post  lifeisforliving on Tue 17 Aug - 23:58

AnnaEsse wrote:
lifeisforliving wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
lifeisforliving wrote:The message that I am getting from this thread is that no toddler should be left for even 30 seconds out of the sight of an adult. Personally, I think anyone who can manage that is a saint and those who have managed till their children reached beyond the toddler stage deserve to be on some kind of roll of honour. I know that while always being very attentive I can't claim perfection in my own observations of children in my care. Every good parent and carer tries their best but those who achieve perfection are very special indeed.

With regard to this particular story I have to wonder how some can be judge and jury on such a small amount of actual information (and all of it via the notoriously unreliable press of course). If the child was left alongside the pool itself then that was wrong. I don't know if that happened. I will leave it to the investigators to give details of the layout of the property etc. before pronouncing judgement.

I don't think you're getting the right message. Like a previous poster on this thread, I filled in a pond in my garden. I did this when my grandson was on the point of being mobile simply because a few seconds is all it takes. There are, of course, accidents that will happen however careful we are, but there are ways of cutting down on the risks. My garden doesn't have a pond any more, but it's not child-proof either since there are no gates. So, my grandson is never out there by himself, although he is nearly four. Since a small child can drown very quickly in just a few inches of water, leaving a two-year-old, even for 30 seconds on their own by a pool is a risk that I wouldn't take.

Thirty seconds out of the sight of an adult very much depends on the context. That length of time on their own in, perhaps, their own bedroom where risks have been assessed and the room is fairly safe, is very different from 30 seconds by a swimming pool. I would have felt OK leaving my grandson in his own room for a very short while when he was 2 years old because there was a stair gate at the top of the stairs down to the hall and one to the stairs to the attic rooms. I wouldn't have left him on his own in my garden, with or without a pond.

I don't think I have missed any point. Just won't be joining in with a judgemental post till I am sure of the facts.

You did make this comment:

The message that I am getting from this thread is that no toddler should be left for even 30 seconds out of the sight of an adult.


But that is definitely not the point. The point is context.
The point is people like to jump to conclusions about others with very little evidence.

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Re: British toddler drowns in family pool in Benitatxell, Alicante

Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 18 Aug - 7:47

Lifeisforliving, you made a silly, generalised point about posters not leaving any toddler out of their sight for more than 30 seconds, which is not what anyone is saying.

We have been told that:

A spokeswoman for the Guardia Civil, investigating the death, said: 'It appears the mother went inside the house to attend to the young boy, and when she went back outside she found the girl's body floating in the water.

Now, the comment that I and others are making here is that we would not leave a child of two years old alone for any length of time by a swimming pool. That is a matter of personal opinion and quite valid. You haven't actually expressed an opinion other than to make value judgments on those of others. Would you have left the little girl by the pool of taken her indoors with you? Easy question: would you leave a two-year-old on their own beside a swimming pool?

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Wed 18 Aug - 7:53

AnnaEsse wrote:Lifeisforliving, you made a silly, generalised point about posters not leaving any toddler out of their sight for more than 30 seconds, which is not what anyone is saying.

We have been told that:

A spokeswoman for the Guardia Civil, investigating the death, said: 'It appears the mother went inside the house to attend to the young boy, and when she went back outside she found the girl's body floating in the water.

Now, the comment that I and others are making here is that we would not leave a child of two years old alone for any length of time by a swimming pool. That is a matter of personal opinion and quite valid. You haven't actually expressed an opinion other than to make value judgments on those of others. Would you have left the little girl by the pool of taken her indoors with you? Easy question: would you leave a two-year-old on their own beside a swimming pool?
my little sis nearly drowned after our grandmas funeral all us kids including my sister who was 4 at the time were in the hotel pool while the adults except my mum were in the apartment my mumwas 7 months pregnant therefore she couldnt of jumped in the pool anway my litttle sister went out too deep and coudnt swim my 10 year old brother got her thank god and she was ok

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