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Post  kitti on Thu 26 Aug - 13:56

Found in a sports bag...hmmmmm..

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Post  Indigo on Thu 26 Aug - 15:39

I'm sure he comitted suicide.

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Post  kitti on Thu 26 Aug - 16:01

Yes i was thinking that...he stabbed himself then got inside his own sports bag and zipped it up and put himself in a black bin liner.....yes i agree with you

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Post  Indigo on Thu 26 Aug - 16:08

Case closed Kitti. Just another 'textbook suicide'

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 26 Aug - 17:16

The lengths these people will go to to incriminate others!

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Post  kitti on Fri 27 Aug - 0:09

It will probably end up like som sex game gone wrong.

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Post  Guest on Fri 27 Aug - 10:06

the killing of the MI6 agent was so obviously carried out by a woman. only a woman could fit that much into a bag.


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Post  kitti on Fri 27 Aug - 13:14

well he was a tv!!

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Post  fedrules on Sat 28 Aug - 9:57

kitti wrote:It will probably end up like som sex game gone wrong.
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I reckon you're right, but no doubt all kinds of conspiracy theories will arise from this case. It seems his death is connected to his private life, but many will start to imagine cover-ups galore!!

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Post  Guest on Sat 28 Aug - 10:59

fedrules wrote:
kitti wrote:It will probably end up like som sex game gone wrong.
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I reckon you're right, but no doubt all kinds of conspiracy theories will arise from this case. It seems his death is connected to his private life, but many will start to imagine cover-ups galore!!

yeah, just look what happened with the madeleine case.

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Post  kitti on Tue 31 Aug - 21:51

Well...welll.....looks like it is a cover up....his body and all the 'gay stuff' were staged!


So WHO is making it look like a 'sex' crime...and why!

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Post  Lioned on Tue 31 Aug - 22:33

Another case of Auto erotica.

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Post  fedrules on Wed 1 Sep - 7:31

kitti wrote:Well...welll.....looks like it is a cover up....his body and all the 'gay stuff' were staged!


So WHO is making it look like a 'sex' crime...and why!
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Hi Kitti. I thought all the sim cards etc were an invention of the media. Personally, I think the 'spy' looks pretty gay, but that's just my opinion. Due to his work, I'm more willing to believe in a cover-up than in the McCann case, but I still think this murder could well be connected to Williams' private life. Many families don't know the truth of their children's sexuality so I don't take the family's denials as evidence that he wasn't gay.

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Post  Indigo on Sun 12 Sep - 10:31

Like I said. Textbook suicide.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311214/Detectives-believe-GCHQ-spys-death-sex-game-went-wrong.html

Police believe the MI6 spy found dead in a sports bag in a bath inside his flat may have died after a bizarre sex game went wrong, according to well-placed sources.

The Mail on Sunday has learned that a woman police officer climbed into the holdall in which codebreaker Gareth Williams’ naked body was found, re-enacting the events which it is thought could have led to his death.

She managed to zip up the bag and padlock it from the inside, leading investigators to conclude that Mr Williams may have done the same for sexual kicks and suffocated when he could not reopen it.

The theory was bolstered by the fact that a key to the padlock was found alongside his body inside the £150 bag.

Despite being crouched in the holdall, the police officer was able to squeeze her hand through a small gap between the padlock and the zip fastener and lock it from the inside.

Police believe Mr Williams may have gone through the same extraordinary routine, and then passed out, possibly as a result of panic when he was unable to reopen the padlock.

The identity of the officer who undertook the unusual police assignment is not known.

She was chosen partly because her petite size is similar to the slim and short frame of 31-year-old keep-fit fanatic Mr Williams.

His body was found in an extra-large North Face bag, a type which is favoured by explorers because of its 140 litres of storage capacity, durable material, double stitching, twin haul handles and locking zips.

Erotic asphyxiation is defined as the intentional restriction of oxygen to the brain for sexual arousal.

The practice claimed the life of Tory MP Stephen Milligan, whose body was found in 1994 with a bag over his head and an orange in his mouth.

Trapped: Mr Williams body was found in a sports bag like this one. It is only 32 inches long and only slightly taller than a newspaper. Detectives believe he may have suffocated after accidentally locking himself inside

Trapped: Mr Williams body was found in a sports bag like this one. It is only 32 inches long and only slightly taller than a newspaper. Detectives believe he may have suffocated after accidentally locking himself inside

Figures have not been recorded for the number of auto-erotic fatal­ities (AEFs) in America, although it is estimated between 500 and 1,000 occur in the US every year.

Although most AEFs arise from the use of a noose to restrict the supply of oxygen, deaths have occurred after victims put themselves into bags.

In one example, a Yale University student died after zipping himself into an airtight vinyl bag and binding his hands.

Police have been mystified since cycling enthusiast Mr Williams was found dead inside his £400,000 two-bedroom flat in Pimlico, half-a-mile from the MI6 HQ in Westminster, three weeks ago.

The initial reaction of the police constable who discovered his body was: ‘This is a murder scene.’

There were also rumours that Mr Williams was the victim of a professional ‘hit’. Other theories included the suggestion that he had been murdered by Russian agents.

Tests on his body were ordered to establish whether he was poisoned, as happened when Polonium 210 radiation was used to murder exiled Russian secret agent Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006.

Initial toxicology tests showed no traces of alcohol or rec­reational drugs in Mr Williams’ system.

Police sources say that the results of more sophisticated tests, carried out to establish the cause of death, might not be known for up to a fortnight.

The MI6 agent’s family have angrily accused the Government of running a ‘dirty tricks’ campaign to blacken his name after reports that he was gay and a cross-dresser.

Police denied claims that gay magazines, bondage gear and the phone numbers of gay escort men were found in the apartment near his body.

Police also dismissed allegations of irregularities in his finances and that a top-secret laptop computer had gone missing from his flat.

Crucially, there was no evidence of violence and no cuts or bruises on Mr Williams’ body, suggesting there had been no struggle.

Crucially, there was no evidence of violence and no cuts or bruises on Mr Williams’ body, suggesting there had been no struggle.

Nor was there any sign of forced entry to his flat, suggesting he either knew his killer and let them in – or there was no killer.

Mr Williams, from Anglesey, North Wales, worked as a cipher and codes expert for the Government’s eavesdropping centre GCHQ in Cheltenham.

He was on a year-long secondment to MI6 which was due to end days after he was found dead.

A child prodigy who had a degree in maths at 17 and went on to obtain a PhD, Mr Williams had the highest security clearance available to an intelligence officer and was part of a secretive ‘cell’ that created devices that can steal data from mobiles and laptops.

He carried out similar work on frequent visits to the National Security Agency in the US.
Mr Williams, who lived on his own and did not have a partner, returned from a ‘planned holiday’ in the US on Wednesday, August 11.

Using his mobile phone to track his last whereabouts, police trawling through CCTV discovered that Mr Williams had made several shopping trips to London’s West End and Knightsbridge on August 14 and 15.

After visiting Harrods, he walked towards a nearby Dolce & Gabbana store, though he did not go in. It is the last time he was seen alive.

Last night a Scotland Yard spokesman said: ‘It would be inappropriate to comment at this stage of the investigation. We are keeping an open mind about the case.’

Mystery of meetings with couple in a cafe five miles from home

By ABUL TAHER and IAN GALLAGHER

Gareth Williams had a series of mysterious meetings at a cafe in the weeks leading up to his death.

Witnesses said the MI6 codebreaker’s late-morning encounters at Patisserie Valerie in Holland Park, West London, took place twice a week and never lasted longer than a few minutes.

Mr Williams, who lived five miles away in Pimlico, usually met a man and a dark-haired woman in their early 30s, although the man occasionally turned up alone.
Mysterious meetings: Spy Gareth Williams had a series of rendezvous with a couple at a Holland Park Patisserie according to waitresses Magdalena Kolakowska and Susana Ribeiro

Mysterious meetings: Spy Gareth Williams had a series of rendezvous with a couple at a Holland Park Patisserie according to waitresses Magdalena Kolakowska and Susana Ribeiro

Polish waitress Magdalena Kolakowska, 24, recalled that Mr Williams would sit at the back of the dimly lit cafe ‘so he could keep an eye on the door’.

Ordering an Americano coffee, he then ‘waited for the couple to approach his table and speak to him’. Miss Kolakowska added: ‘They would come up to him as if they had suddenly just seen him and say, “Hi.” They would speak to him for two or three minutes and go. They would never sit down or have a coffee with him.’

In all, she recalls about eight such encounters. She could not remember any items passing between them and heard nothing of their conversations because all three spoke in low voices.

But it was the brevity of the meetings – coupled with their regularity – that struck staff
as odd. They assumed that Mr Williams, who was dressed casually, was local.

'He was achieving rare high scores on these espionage and war games that are played on the internet. I know it sounds daft, but this is how he was discovered.’


Last week, police announced they were seeking a man and a woman, both of Mediterranean appearance, who called at Mr Williams’ home late one evening in June or July.

Although the man and woman at the cafe are roughly the same age as the couple being sought by police, staff say they did not look Mediterranean.

Patisserie Valerie is next to Holland Park Underground station, where Mr Williams was caught on CCTV on August 14, some 24 hours before he was last seen alive.

Inquiries by this newspaper have established that he visited Holland Park up to four times a week in the two months before his death.

Besides Patisserie Valerie, he went to other cafes and was seen at a nearby Hilton Hotel. He invariably arrived on his bicycle and was always seen between 10am and 1pm.

Holland Park is primarily an upmarket residential district, although a number
of countries, including Russia and Uzbekistan, maintain embassies there.

Another Polish waitress at Patisserie Valerie, 29-year-old Susana Ribeiro, also recalled seeing Mr Williams there – the last occasion just after he had returned from a holiday in the US on August 11.

‘If he wasn’t sitting inside at the back, he would park his bike at the lamp-post, sit at the middle table outside and have a coffee,’ she said.

Miss Kolakowska added: ‘Some days he would bring a device with him that looked like an Apple iPad, but was much bigger, and he would watch news or some moving picture on it.’

Vanessa Riley, a pensioner in her 60s who lives in a flat behind Holland Park station, said she saw Mr Williams in two other cafes near the station over the summer.

'Some days he would bring a device with him that looked like an Apple iPad, but was much bigger, and he would watch news or some moving picture on it.’


Mrs Riley became so concerned after she heard of his death she reported what she saw to police. ‘All I can say is I saw him meeting people at these cafes,’ she said.

Last night police refused to be drawn on the significance of the sightings.

Detectives have already tracked Mr Williams’ movements to Holland Park, apparently by checking his journeys on his Oyster ticket, the plastic travel card commuters use on the Underground.

They took away CCTV footage from 29 different cameras at Holland Park station and have since released footage of Mr Williams arriving at the station on August 14 and, the following day, shopping in Harrods.

There were reports yesterday that Mr Williams’ family, upset at the slow progress of the police investigation into his death, want to commission their own post-mortem examination.

Meanwhile, security sources said that Mr Williams was recruited by GCHQ after it became aware of his ‘extraordinary prowess at computer games’.

‘He was achieving rare high scores on these espionage and war games that are played on the internet,’ said a source. ‘I know it sounds daft, but this is how he was discovered.’

Two years ago, GCHQ ran an advertising campaign in online games, including Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Double Agent, to tempt web-savvy graduates to become spies.


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Post  Panda on Sun 12 Sep - 10:38

Indigo wrote:I'm sure he comitted suicide.

His Family have ordered an Enquiry.. If he commited suicide, how did he end up in a zipped bag?

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Post  Indigo on Sun 12 Sep - 10:54

Panda I was being very cynical. There is no way this man commited suicide. I would be very surprised if we ever found out what happened to him.

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Post  Panda on Sun 12 Sep - 11:33

Indigo wrote:Panda I was being very cynical. There is no way this man commited suicide. I would be very surprised if we ever found out what happened to him.

Iv"e just been catching up on this case and no way could a Baby, never mind a Police Officer, be able to take the key, in the dark, find the outside padlock and open the bag.....no wonder they wouldn"t give her name. Similarly, it"s a very bizarre sex game. Like you, I suspect foul play and a tragedy for such a
talented young man, I hope the Family succeed in forcing an enquiry.

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Post  pennylane on Sun 12 Sep - 11:49

I heard this morning that he was living in an MI6 'safe house'..... which sounds a bit like 'witness protection'?

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Post  Guest on Sun 12 Sep - 11:56

There is a claim in the Wail today that he got inside the bag, zipped it up and padlocked it all by himself. I kid you not.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 12 Sep - 11:58

The Famous Grouse wrote:There is a claim in the Wail today that he got inside the bag, zipped it up and padlocked it all by himself. I kid you not.

Don't try this at home, folks!

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Post  Guest on Sun 12 Sep - 11:59

The Famous Grouse wrote:There is a claim in the Wail today that he got inside the bag, zipped it up and padlocked it all by himself. I kid you not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311214/Detectives-believe-GCHQ-spys-death-sex-game-went-wrong.html

At least it wasn't a blue sports bag.


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Post  fred on Sun 12 Sep - 12:25

Tory MP Stephen Milligan, whose body was found in 1994 with a bag over his head and an orange in his mouth

I obviously live a very sheltered life

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Post  wjk on Sun 12 Sep - 12:47

fred wrote:
Tory MP Stephen Milligan, whose body was found in 1994 with a bag over his head and an orange in his mouth

I obviously live a very sheltered life
Me too, fred, me too

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Post  pennylane on Sun 12 Sep - 12:52

wjk wrote:
fred wrote:
Tory MP Stephen Milligan, whose body was found in 1994 with a bag over his head and an orange in his mouth

I obviously live a very sheltered life
Me too, fred, me too

The poor man was on his kitchen table when he died!

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Post  Panda on Sun 12 Sep - 13:20


I cannot conceive why some guys go to such bizarre lengths for sexual stimulus. Not very long ago the Presenter of one of those House Hunting programmes, can"t think of his name, died in suspicious circumstances. I guessed he was Gay but really liked him, he was only in his mid thirties, good looking, nice
personality.......such a waste.

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