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Post  Annabel on Mon 6 Sep - 15:02

Interesting blog from Ayaan Hirsi Ali:

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/ayaanhirsiali/english/index.html

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Post  Panda on Mon 6 Sep - 15:34


Thanks Annabel, interesting read, do you have problems in the Netherlands with Muslims taking over and
preaching hatred?

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Post  Annabel on Mon 6 Sep - 15:48

Yes, there are many problems with them in Holland. #
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22 Apr 2010 ... Van Gogh was murdered by a radical Muslim in Holland in 2004 in retaliation for a film he produced regarding women in Islam. ...

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Post  Guest on Mon 6 Sep - 17:01

It is the same in Belgium as well.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 6 Sep - 17:03

Annabel wrote:Yes, there are many problems with them in Holland. #
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22 Apr 2010 ... Van Gogh was murdered by a radical Muslim in Holland in 2004 in retaliation for a film he produced regarding women in Islam. ...

Yes, I remember that. "Submission," wasn't it?

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Post  pennylane on Mon 6 Sep - 17:45

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Annabel wrote:Yes, there are many problems with them in Holland. #
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22 Apr 2010 ... Van Gogh was murdered by a radical Muslim in Holland in 2004 in retaliation for a film he produced regarding women in Islam. ...

Yes, I remember that. "Submission," wasn't it?

Indeed it was "'Submission." Have you read the fantastic book called "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali? She was assisting Van Gogh with the film script when he was murdered. Born in Somalia, she was raised a Muslim and spent her early life in Africa and Saudi Arabia. "Infidel" charts her brave life story and escape from the oppressive, backward environment that engulfed her. She has since denounced Islam.

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Post  Annabel on Mon 6 Sep - 17:56

Yes Penny I've read the book but also the book Nomad

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/07/entertainment/la-et-book-20100607

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Post  pennylane on Mon 6 Sep - 18:02

Annabel wrote:Yes Penny I've read the book but also the book Nomad

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/07/entertainment/la-et-book-20100607

Thanks Annabel I've been meaning to get a copy of "Nomad" - I think I will look out for it this week!

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 6 Sep - 18:03

pennylane wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Annabel wrote:Yes, there are many problems with them in Holland. #
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22 Apr 2010 ... Van Gogh was murdered by a radical Muslim in Holland in 2004 in retaliation for a film he produced regarding women in Islam. ...

Yes, I remember that. "Submission," wasn't it?

Indeed it was "'Submission." Have you read the fantastic book called "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali? She was assisting Van Gogh with the film script when he was murdered. Born in Somalia, she was raised a Muslim and spent her early life in Africa and Saudi Arabia. "Infidel" charts her brave life story and escape from the oppressive, backward environment that engulfed her. She has since denounced Islam.

Thank you, pennylane. I see it's available in English.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/1416526242/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283792528&sr=1-1

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Post  pennylane on Mon 6 Sep - 18:16

AnnaEsse wrote:
pennylane wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Annabel wrote:Yes, there are many problems with them in Holland. #
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22 Apr 2010 ... Van Gogh was murdered by a radical Muslim in Holland in 2004 in retaliation for a film he produced regarding women in Islam. ...

Yes, I remember that. "Submission," wasn't it?

Indeed it was "'Submission." Have you read the fantastic book called "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali? She was assisting Van Gogh with the film script when he was murdered. Born in Somalia, she was raised a Muslim and spent her early life in Africa and Saudi Arabia. "Infidel" charts her brave life story and escape from the oppressive, backward environment that engulfed her. She has since denounced Islam.

Thank you, pennylane. I see it's available in English.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/1416526242/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1283792528&sr=1-1

I brought my English copy of "Infidel" in 2007 when it was first published in the UK. It is such an amazing story, and she is a very courageous woman who has witnessed the horrors first hand of what it is like to live under dictators and oppressive Islamic leaders. She was lucky in that her father was a Somali scholar, and politician, and her mother was a poet, and her father was very enlightened as far as women being educated.

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Post  mumbles on Mon 6 Sep - 18:53

I don't know if any of you have had this email forwarded to you - but it was sent to me a few weeks ago.


Muslim Women


20 years from now, I will be in Heaven --bye !!


This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.

This is not hearsay, and it will scare the life out of you.
Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end.

Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish

In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

In the West World ( America and Britain ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

By passing this on, enlightened American and British women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.
Ripping the West in Two.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.
She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.

Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza .

When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.

But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.

In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.

While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.

It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.

While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.

(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. and Britain To elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. Is one... And there are others...) (Britain
has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims)


I think everyone in the U.S. and Great Britain Should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While America and Britain is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America .. (and Britain) ..

This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your email list or at least those you think will listen..

Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT!
Put your head back under the covers so you can't see the boogie man!

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Muslim demographics

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Post  pennylane on Mon 6 Sep - 19:33

mumbles

Though I'm aware of much of the contents of that email - it's still a very shocking read

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Post  pennylane on Mon 6 Sep - 19:54

AnnaEsse wrote:

What a chilling video Anna!

For sure there will be much bloodshed to come with the clash of cultures, but I do not believe radical Islam will ever rule the world. They are loathed on too many Continents.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 6 Sep - 20:09

pennylane wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:

What a chilling video Anna!

For sure there will be much bloodshed to come with the clash of cultures, but I do not believe radical Islam will ever rule the world. They are loathed on too many Continents.

Pennylane, I am optimistic enough to think you are right. I believe that people are beginning to wake up to what could happen. In the west, we have been very tolerant, but multi-culti might be our ideal where we all respect each others beliefs and we live in diverse harmony, however, the object of Islam is Jihad and it's not integration and being multi-culti with us.

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Post  pennylane on Mon 6 Sep - 20:26

I too am an optimist Anna. Though I do see some horrific scenarios to come, I believe that Muslims themselves will be the ones that take a giant stand against extremism. I think it is early days yet, but it will happen.

That is my hope anyway.

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Europe is becoming 'Islamised' warns Vatican official.

Post  mumbles on Wed 8 Sep - 10:51

Europe is becoming 'Islamised' warns Vatican official as he urges Christians to have more children.



European Christians should have more children to stop the continent becoming 'Islamised', a senior Vatican official has suggested.

Father Piero Gheddo said the low birth rate of indigenous Europeans combined with a huge wave of Muslim migrants with large families would 'sooner or later' see Europe dominated by Islam.

Italian Father Gheddo is a highly respected figure from the Vatican's Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions, a society of missionaries.

He blamed Christians for failing to live up to their own beliefs and creating a 'religious vacuum' which was being filled by Islam.

'The challenge must be taken seriously,' he said.

'Certainly from a demographic point of view, as it is clear to everyone that Italians are decreasing by 120,000 or 130,000 persons a year because of abortion and broken families – while among the more than 200,000 legal immigrants a year in Italy, more than half are Muslims and Muslim families, which have a much higher level of growth.'

He added: 'If we consider ourselves a Christian country, we should return to the practice of Christian life, which would also solve the problem of empty cradles.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1309919/Europe-Islamised-warns-Vatican-official-Piero-Gheddo.html#ixzz0yvjNwdry

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Post  Panda on Wed 8 Sep - 16:33


A Pastor in America is going to burn a copy of the Koran in protest at the way many terrorist Muslims have
caused so many deaths in the name of Allah. Hilary Clinton is very concerned at the backlash this will create
and the Military is afraid that the U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan and Irac will be targeted.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 8 Sep - 16:50

Panda wrote:
A Pastor in America is going to burn a copy of the Koran in protest at the way many terrorist Muslims have
caused so many deaths in the name of Allah. Hilary Clinton is very concerned at the backlash this will create
and the Military is afraid that the U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan and Irac will be targeted.

There have been protest demos in some Muslim countries. I saw a banner that said, 'You'll burned in hell.' I think that if someone started burning Bibles, no one would take much notice and while I think the Qur'An is a book that should be burned, we know what's going to happen. I guess this might seem like appeasement to some folks, but the threats are indicative of what some Muslims will do in response to what they consider to be gross insult. I bought a copy of the Qur'An after 9/11, read it and had to get rid of it because I felt that I had brought evil into my home. Oh dear! I hope they don't find me. I didn't burn it, though! It went in the recycling box!

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Post  Panda on Wed 8 Sep - 17:29

AnnaEsse,

The thing that gets me though is the way Muslims are taking over the World and no Government is prepared
to stop them. I"m talking about the Radicals, there are many law abiding Muslims but that video you showed of
Muslims praying in a Street so passersby had to make a detour is clearly flouting religious tolerance. Also, it
is noticeable that many White Europeans are turning to Islam, wasn"t it Cat Stevens who shocked us all and
then of course Cassius Clay all those years ago?

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Post  pennylane on Wed 8 Sep - 17:55

Panda wrote: AnnaEsse,

The thing that gets me though is the way Muslims are taking over the World and no Government is prepared
to stop them. I"m talking about the Radicals, there are many law abiding Muslims but that video you showed of
Muslims praying in a Street so passersby had to make a detour is clearly flouting religious tolerance. Also, it
is noticeable that many White Europeans are turning to Islam, wasn"t it Cat Stevens who shocked us all and
then of course Cassius Clay all those years ago
?

Absolutely Panda. Back in the 70's and 80's, when I lived in the US, some of my black friends were becoming Muslims. I used to say to them, 'you've just gotten out of slavery, and you pick the most oppressive religion on earth to join!' I'd also say ..... 'Muslim nations and societies have practised slavery from the time of Muhammad, and many Muslim countries treat their women worse than animals', etc etc. (I really don't think they were aware of all these facts.)

I'd say to them point blank 'What are you nuts???'

Anyway, they'd just sort of look at me rather amused - they never got riled or anything .......... I think they just thought I was cute because I was English!

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Post  Panda on Wed 8 Sep - 18:19

Pennylane

I have American Friends and they popped in for an overnight stay on their whistlestop tour of Britain.

They too are very worried about the State of affairs in their Country and the idea of building a Mosque not far
from Ground Zero has really angered them.

A couple of Years ago I was enjoying a great Holiday, 4 days in New York and 6 days cruising up to Halifax.
One day lazing on the Lounger by the Pool I got chatting to an Irish Lady living in NY about Muslims. I know
it"s not funny really but we both had a good laugh when she told me Muslim Women had wanted their Driving
Licence Photos wearing the Burqa, the Mayor of New York drew the line at this demand.

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Post  pennylane on Wed 8 Sep - 18:34

Panda wrote:Pennylane

I have American Friends and they popped in for an overnight stay on their whistlestop tour of Britain.

They too are very worried about the State of affairs in their Country and the idea of building a Mosque not far
from Ground Zero has really angered them.

A couple of Years ago I was enjoying a great Holiday, 4 days in New York and 6 days cruising up to Halifax.
One day lazing on the Lounger by the Pool I got chatting to an Irish Lady living in NY about Muslims. I know
it"s not funny really but we both had a good laugh when she told me Muslim Women had wanted their Driving
Licence Photos wearing the Burqa, the Mayor of New York drew the line at this demand.

OMG what's next!

Actually I believe Burqa's should be banned in the West. (jmho though)

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