Plot to assassinate the Queen

Terrorists (I dislike the J word since it confers a certain legitimacy on to them) have threatened to kill the Queen at the VJ Day celebrations. The beauty (if there can be said to be any beauty in it) is that they don't have to attempt anything at all. The increased cost of security alone will in part do their job for them.

In fact if it was me the possibility of failure and maybe subsequent arrest and trial would be too great a risk. Then I'm not a terrorist and their thinking is to say the least heavily flawed. The greatest danger being from a suicide bomber or bombers.

Whether they actually try anything or not, they get publicity, and cost a great deal of money the country can't afford. It may even have a negative benefit of drawing police  and security forces away from other areas, thus making them an easier target.

Why does it have to be splashed all over the news....keep quiet and don't give them the attention they want

Not absolutely sure but didn't they report something like this last year about the Queen.

Angelina wrote:Why does it have to be splashed all over the news....keep quiet and don't give them the attention they want

A good point Angelina and one I would agree with. Unfortunately our journalists would raise Cain about freedom of the press and muzzling the right of the people to know what is going on.

Having said that you are right. As long as our security services know about it. let them get on with dealing with it.

This STORY and I mean STORY is just a story....

The SECRET SERVICE isnt called that for nothing.


Seems to me it's a story to sell to the newspaper....do you really think this story is fir real, I don't.


I believe it was made to sell to the newspapers who on turn is selling it to US.



I mean, doing all this plot on twitter and via email supposedly recruiting young girls SUPPOSEDLY to blow up the royal family, these girls were never met and could off been anyone...please..and sending a picture off 'proof off purchase ' off a pressure cooker that was going to be used ...oh so amateurist if true.....don't buy it.

I HAVE SEEN ON MSN A HEADLINE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL LONE WOLF ATTACKS,THERE COULD BE HERE,THERE,EVERYWHERE.

kitti wrote:This STORY and I mean STORY is just a story....

The SECRET SERVICE isnt called that for nothing.


Seems to me it's a story to sell to the newspaper....do you really think this story is fir real, I don't.


I believe it was made to sell to the newspapers who on turn is selling it to US.



I mean, doing all this plot on twitter and via email supposedly recruiting young girls SUPPOSEDLY to blow up the royal family, these girls were never met and could off been anyone...please..and sending a picture off 'proof off purchase ' off a pressure cooker that was going to be used ...oh so amateurist if true.....don't buy it.

Good afternoon kitti

I agree with you to a large extent and said so in different words. As you say it may be just a story, or as our American cousins would say a crock of who shot John. The trouble being our security services cannot afford to ignore it, and resources are being used that could be put to better use elsewhere. It may in fact take so much away bearing in mind the cuts our security have been forced to accept that it could make attacking another target feasible. Perhaps something along the lines of the little boy who cried wolf once to often is the idea, I don't know.

As you say, it is a little obscure to say the least, people who have never met sending manuals through the post. I believe a pressure cooker was in fact used in the Boston marathon bombing. That may be where the idea came from. It may just be attention seekers. If that is the case and if caught they should in my opinion be treated as the terrorists they purport to be.

A family off five have been arrested on terrorist charges ...mother, father, 16 year old girl, 17 and 18 year old girls.



The 15 year old was arrested a few months ago and was out on bail for similar offences.


Does this stupid government think being out on bail will change her mindset, ok, blame the judge for this one but why are they stopping these people going to Syria.


LET THEM GO....who cares...JUDT DON'T LET THEM COME BACK.....let them stay In Syria and either get killed or marry there murderers ...who cares. As long as their killing each other who gives a flying fig...I don't.

kitti wrote:A family off five have been arrested on terrorist charges ...mother, father, 16 year  old girl, 17 and 18 year old girls.



The 15 year old was arrested a few months ago and was out on bail for similar offences.


Does this stupid government think being out on bail will change her mindset, ok, blame the judge for this one but why are they stopping these people going to Syria.


LET THEM GO....who cares...JUDT DON'T LET THEM COME BACK.....let them stay In Syria and either get killed or marry there murderers ...who cares. As long as their killing each other who gives a flying fig...I don't.

Good afternoon kitti

I could not agree with you more, we don't need them here certainly not with their mindset. If the want to go to Syria or Siberia that's fine by me. take their passports away and take their fingerprints or use some sort of ID system on entry as the have in the States, because passports can be obtained relatively easily as you know. Then as you say don't let them back. That will probably mean fewer who mean us harm will go if they think they cant come back, although I understand that they are using Chechyn's and others with battle experience to actually fight while using these mindless defectors as suicide bombers.

They only have to look at their own Qur'an. why did this blood thirst deity of theirs create us in the first place just to have us roast in hell for eternity? Surely it would be more efficient just to make everyone Muslim to begin with wouldn't it? Then again Islam is a paternalistic religion and as all ladies know, we stop developing mentally around the age of 12. My own government thinks more highly of me than that. She thinks I only have two tiny little faults, - Everything I say, and everything I do.

I agree with you both, let them go and good riddance, just don't let them back. it is ridiculous that once they have gone over to help these murderers, plot against our country and others to then still consider them British Citizens. They have committed treason.

fuzeta wrote:I agree with you both, let them go and good riddance,  just don't let them back.  it is ridiculous that once they have gone over to help these murderers, plot against our country and others  to then  still consider them British Citizens.  They have  committed treason.

Exactly fuzeta, treason is what it is. After they have left, any and all means should be used to prevent them coming back bearing in mind that forged and stolen documents such as passports and driving licences are freely available to such as these. Whether they are coming back to plan us further harm or just for a bit of R & R it seems to me that simply refusing them entry is the best way. Not jail them, and then keep them at our expense. If then Syria or wherever refuses them entry as well, that isn't our problem. I couldn't care less.

Who are these people anyway, they could be anyone, they could be ISIS for all we know...they could be carrying any diseases, they have no passports so they could say they what name they like.


The problem now is, anyone who doesn't like where they are living want to come to the UK...the lorry had men from Vietnam for goodness sake....it's ridiculous.



It's going to get worse...they are putting immigrants up in hotels where people are on holiday...

kitti wrote:Who are  these people  anyway, they could be anyone, they could be ISIS for all we know...they could be carrying any diseases, they have no passports so they could say they what name they like.


The problem now is, anyone who doesn't like where they are living want to come to the UK...the lorry had men from Vietnam for goodness sake....it's ridiculous.



It's going to get worse...they are putting immigrants up in hotels where people are on holiday...

Nail on the head there kitti. There is no doubt that among them are some medical migrants who either can't or won't afford/get treatment in their own countries so come and get treated on the good old British taxpayer. For the rest as you say they could be anyone. To me the fact that they destroy their papers is enough to show intent to deceive. Genuine asylum seekers would have no fear of being able to prove they are who they say they are. No, they know perfectly well that without any proof of ID their home countries will not take them back and sorting it takes months. With a little luck they will never be sent home and they know it perfectly well. Vietnamese immigrants as you say is ridiculous. There is absolutely no possibility of them being genuine. There are dozens of "safe countries" between them and us.

Badboy wrote:I HAVE SEEN ON MSN A HEADLINE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL LONE WOLF ATTACKS,THERE COULD BE HERE,THERE,EVERYWHERE.

Hello Badboy

Yes, they could and probably are. We hear od isolated attacks here there and everywhere. We aren't immune, these fanatics don't care who or where they kill including themselves. I believe plots are being hatched virtually daily, and our security forces are superb in foiling them. As kitti says, the secret service is exactly what it says on the tin; secret.

Hi fuzeta ans every one giving opinion on this thread today > . what a clever thing being done right now . Loads emigrents flowing in and as you say no paper work ,who are they ? we don't know . There we are at airports taking shoes off ,searched etc etc , and they do know who we are .then the other side of coin ,>>>> what can I say ,its worse than what we know ,maybe our government just wants to inherit all the people that could be terrorist..How the heck can they be checked ? yes let the people who want to go home GO ,and never let back in again ,in USA you have to fill in a form and give your time and date and flight home ,that's what we need to do . enough said . joyce1938

joyce1938 wrote:Hi fuzeta ans every one giving opinion on this thread today > .  what a clever thing being done right now . Loads emigrents flowing in and as you say no paper work ,who are they ? we don't know . There we are at airports taking shoes off ,searched etc etc , and they do know who we are .then the other side of coin ,>>>> what can I say ,its worse than what we know ,maybe our government just wants to inherit all the people that could be terrorist..How the heck can they be checked ? yes let the people who want to go home GO ,and never let back in again ,in USA you have to fill in a form and give your time and date and flight home ,that's what we need to do . enough said . joyce1938

Good afternoon Joyce

I think we all broadly agree that things simply cannot go on the way they are. sooner or later some steps must be taken possibly draconian steps. I think we all agree too that the government (like all governments) are not telling us the whole story. I do agree with Cameron though in that some, perhaps more than we are told about are not genuine asylum seekers by any stretch of the imagination. It's a much simpler age old motivation. As Israel hands said in Treasure Island, "I want their pickles and wines and that". They see our life style, compared with theirs and want a share of the pie.

Even those who want more and more to be admitted on humanitarian grounds agree that sooner or later it must stop. I accept their hearts are in the right place, but we simply cannot go on absorbing more and more. For the matter of that, neither can Europe.

joyce1938 wrote:Hi fuzeta ans every one giving opinion on this thread today > .  what a clever thing being done right now . Loads emigrents flowing in and as you say no paper work ,who are they ? we don't know . There we are at airports taking shoes off ,searched etc etc , and they do know who we are .then the other side of coin ,>>>> what can I say ,its worse than what we know ,maybe our government just wants to inherit all the people that could be terrorist..How the heck can they be checked ? yes let the people who want to go home GO ,and never let back in again ,in USA you have to fill in a form and give your time and date and flight home ,that's what we need to do . enough said . joyce1938

Hello Joyce, nice to see you.  There is no check is there!  All the migrants destroy their papers so that they are stateless and cannot be sent back anyway.  They could be anybody.   The immense numbers that are coming cannot be allowed to continue.  Even if they were genuine asylum seekers from the many war torn countries ( which the majority are not but just economic) we cannot absorb half of Africa into Europe, it is vast and the migrants are coming from all over it.   Europe would probably fit into the Sahara desert alone.   Now we have Vietnamese people coming, why?  Is it because they cannot get into Australia?    

Is the EU having emergency meetings about what is to be done?  I have seen no sign of it.  Europe is showing that it is not a union at all, just a shambles which we all pay good money to keep going.   The chaos that is Calais just shows what nonsense it all is.    French workers go on strike right on the main holiday season, violently so.  Hard working families with children sitting for days in cars.   Truck drivers from England trying to do their jobs sitting for days on motorways, food rotting costing the UK economy 300 million a day.  Let alone the stress for the drivers,  especially the ones trying to get back into the UK.     Held up in France for days on the roads leading to Calais.   Migrants getting into the stationary vehicles, then attacking the drivers  with crow bars and knives when they try to get them out. In the end they have to leave them in.

Now we have the nightly siege on the channel tunnel to contend with. Huge resources have to be sent to Calais to cope with it. People get hurt, people are dying What is normal any more? I really don't know.

It is all a nightmare, if this is the supposedly European Union, I for one really want out

I totally agree with all you have said about this business of the migration problem fuzeta,well put so we can all understand what really is going on all around us here. its not that we are hard hearted ,but the problems that will be added here will start to put people against one another ,that is a terrible consequence of all this. there will be no way out if the government do not clamp down on this very soon ,yes help people within their own country, I have no problem with that . joyce1938