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Post  kitti on Mon 29 Nov - 11:55

Well i think its very odd that these two honeymooners were on this road at the exact time that this cab man happened to be and at the same time met up with 2 or 3 other men who happened to be hyjackers and murderes...sounds preplanned to me or just coincidence.

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Post  docmac on Mon 29 Nov - 12:00

Taken from an SA news blog. Other than those of the 10 which are not applicable to the McCanns (eg identity parade) the similarities are remarkable. I fear this is going to become more commonplace future.

We have 10 questions of our own :

1. Which victim hires a publicist?

2.Which victim hires a criminal attorney?

3.Which victim newlywed husband doesn’t return to identify his wife’s murderers?

4.Which victim says the police are trying to set him up before they've said a word?

5.Which victim, in a case like this, makes a round of the tabloids so soon after the event?

6.Which victim is grieving too hard to deal with the identity parade but somehow managed to speak to the tabloids?

7.Which victim gives conflicting versions and then gets annoyed when everyone becomes suspicious?

8.Which victim slams the press for interference after having used the same vehicle (tabloids) to get his version out there?

9.Which victim newlywed doesn’t visit and fully brief his in-laws in their time of grief?

10.Which victim, almost immediately begins a campaign of defence when the whole world had nothing but sympathy for him?

http://www.newstime.co.za/SouthAfrica/Ten_Question_On_The_Dewani_Murder_/15911/

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Post  Dimsie on Mon 29 Nov - 12:25

Very interesting set of questions - which 'victim' would indeed do any of these things?

I'd love to see that set of questions printed in one of the newspapers that are covering the SA case - it might just ring a few bells in the heads of those who are still convinced that the McCanns acted appropriately after Madeleine disappeared. No matter what happened to Anni or to Madeleine, the behaviour of some of their nearest and dearest could certainly IMO be described as very odd indeed.

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Post  docmac on Mon 29 Nov - 12:26

Hey, Shrien I see you have not had anything to say to the tabloids since the 26th. Not even through your PR guru. Now when were you 'rumoured' to be flying out to SA again?


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Post  docmac on Wed 1 Dec - 7:03

December 1 2010 at 07:42am
By Caryn Dolley

Shrien Dewani, the widower of murdered honeymoon tourist Anni Dewani, does not want to return to Cape Town ever again. This is what Max Clifford, the British public relations specialist Dewani has hired, told the Cape Times on Tuesday in a telephonic interview from London. “The last place in the world he ever wants to go to again is Cape Town. But in order to help police ... he’ll do so,” Clifford said.
You sure he hasn't come back yet, Max? He's been well hidden since Friday last, eh?
Clifford said media reports suggesting Dewani was a suspect in his wife’s murder were false and had taken a toll on Dewani and his family. “It’s obviously made a horrible nightmare even worse. So many lies have come out of South Africa that (the family is) getting used to it.”
You sure about this, Max? After all, Mark Williams-Thomas has been suggesting that the SA police should break their continued silence on the matter. And all reports I'm seeing here reflect this. You referring to readers' comments now?

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Post  T4two on Wed 1 Dec - 15:06

docmac wrote:Taken from an SA news blog. Other than those of the 10 which are not applicable to the McCanns (eg identity parade) the similarities are remarkable. I fear this is going to become more commonplace future.
We have 10 questions of our own :

1. Which victim hires a publicist?

2.Which victim hires a criminal attorney?

3.Which victim newlywed husband doesn’t return to identify his wife’s murderers?

4.Which victim says the police are trying to set him up before they've said a word?

5.Which victim, in a case like this, makes a round of the tabloids so soon after the event?

6.Which victim is grieving too hard to deal with the identity parade but somehow managed to speak to the tabloids?

7.Which victim gives conflicting versions and then gets annoyed when everyone becomes suspicious?

8.Which victim slams the press for interference after having used the same vehicle (tabloids) to get his version out there?

9.Which victim newlywed doesn’t visit and fully brief his in-laws in their time of grief?

10.Which victim, almost immediately begins a campaign of defence when the whole world had nothing but sympathy for him?

http://www.newstime.co.za/SouthAfrica/Ten_Question_On_The_Dewani_Murder_/15911/


Yes, it reads as though he's following, "The Dummies Guide to Getting Away With It " and the Macs book hasn't even been published yet.

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Post  jejune on Thu 2 Dec - 0:15

Apart from hiring Max Clifford for PR, I've read that the husband's lawyer specialises in libel cases. If this is the same Charlotte Harris it would seem to be true. But why would you hire someone who protects premier footballers' images when your wife has been murdered? And why would you need a PR spokesman?




Charlotte has established a national reputation for assisting sporting and media personalities in both pursuing and defending libel actions. She also has extensive intellectual property experience including the exploitation of image rights and publishing deals. For further information on all our media law services please visit http://www.jmw.co.uk/media_law

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Post  Midas on Thu 2 Dec - 2:02

T4two wrote:
docmac wrote:Taken from an SA news blog. Other than those of the 10 which are not applicable to the McCanns (eg identity parade) the similarities are remarkable. I fear this is going to become more commonplace future.
We have 10 questions of our own :

1. Which victim hires a publicist?

2.Which victim hires a criminal attorney?

3.Which victim newlywed husband doesn’t return to identify his wife’s murderers?

4.Which victim says the police are trying to set him up before they've said a word?

5.Which victim, in a case like this, makes a round of the tabloids so soon after the event?

6.Which victim is grieving too hard to deal with the identity parade but somehow managed to speak to the tabloids?

7.Which victim gives conflicting versions and then gets annoyed when everyone becomes suspicious?

8.Which victim slams the press for interference after having used the same vehicle (tabloids) to get his version out there?

9.Which victim newlywed doesn’t visit and fully brief his in-laws in their time of grief?

10.Which victim, almost immediately begins a campaign of defence when the whole world had nothing but sympathy for him?

http://www.newstime.co.za/SouthAfrica/Ten_Question_On_The_Dewani_Murder_/15911/


Yes, it reads as though he's following, "The Dummies Guide to Getting Away With It " and the Macs book hasn't even been published yet.

Hysterical!

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Post  Angelique on Thu 2 Dec - 16:12

Midas wrote:
T4two wrote:
docmac wrote:Taken from an SA news blog. Other than those of the 10 which are not applicable to the McCanns (eg identity parade) the similarities are remarkable. I fear this is going to become more commonplace future.
We have 10 questions of our own :

1. Which victim hires a publicist?

2.Which victim hires a criminal attorney?

3.Which victim newlywed husband doesn’t return to identify his wife’s murderers?

4.Which victim says the police are trying to set him up before they've said a word?

5.Which victim, in a case like this, makes a round of the tabloids so soon after the event?

6.Which victim is grieving too hard to deal with the identity parade but somehow managed to speak to the tabloids?

7.Which victim gives conflicting versions and then gets annoyed when everyone becomes suspicious?

8.Which victim slams the press for interference after having used the same vehicle (tabloids) to get his version out there?

9.Which victim newlywed doesn’t visit and fully brief his in-laws in their time of grief?

10.Which victim, almost immediately begins a campaign of defence when the whole world had nothing but sympathy for him?

http://www.newstime.co.za/SouthAfrica/Ten_Question_On_The_Dewani_Murder_/15911/


Yes, it reads as though he's following, "The Dummies Guide to Getting Away With It " and the Macs book hasn't even been published yet.

Hysterical!



The McCanns will be furious - what about their copyright.

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Post  docmac on Sun 5 Dec - 21:27

‘All will be revealed’

December 5 2010 at 11:42am
By Melanie Peters


The lawyer for the driver who drove the Dewani couple into Gugulethu says “all will be revealed” when his client Zola Tongo, 31, appears in the Wynberg Magistrate’s Court on Monday with his two co-accused.

Tongo is expected to enter into a plea bargain agreement with the National Prosecuting Authority tomorrow. His lawyer, William da Grass, said he was prepared and that “all will be revealed” if the case goes ahead on Monday as anticipated.

Meanwhile speculation has been mounting over the weekend as to the whereabouts of UK millionaire Shrien Dewani, 30.

The media has been trying to establish whether Dewani is back in South Africa after sources claimed a government department had signed off on a plane ticket for him and he was arriving this weekend.

There are even some who claim that Dewani arrived in the country – but not in Cape Town – a week ago.

But an email on Friday from his publicist Max Clifford said: “I can confirm that Shrien is definitely not in South Africa.”

Dewani’s Johannesburg lawyer Billy Gundelfinger unexpectedly withdrew from the case without any explanation, save to say that lawyers “do it all the time”.

It also emerged that Dewani was previously engaged to Rani Kansagra, the daughter of tycoon Bhupendra Kansagra, who owns budget airline SpiceJet. And yesterday the Daily Mail newspaper reported that, despite a glamorous marriage ceremony in India, Anni was not legally married to Dewani.

Meanwhile a source said that Anni’s family in Sweden are looking at the possibility of hiring a private investigator, as her father, Vinod Hindocha, has complained about being kept out of the loop and wants answers.

The Wynberg Magistrate’s Court is expected to be packed to capacity tomorrow as the three accused, Tongo, Xolile Mngeni, 23, and Mzwamadoda Qwabe, 26, appear to answer to charges relating to the murder of Anni, who was shot in the neck in Gugulethu on the night of November 13 while she and her husband were on their honeymoon.

On Friday lawyers for Mngeni and Qwabe claimed that their clients had been tortured after their arrest.



Lawyers Vusi Tshabalala and Thabo Nogemane said they would raise the matter in court. This could lead to delays in the case with a trial-within-a-trial to test the admissibility of any confessions obtained by the police.

However it appears that the men have not been medically examined, nor have complaints been laid with the police watchdog the Independent Complaints Directorate.

melanie.peters@inl.co.za - Weekend Argus

Billy Gundelfinger is a VERY high profile lawyer who loves the limelight - and the money - that comes with high profile cases. He selects his cases very carefully too. I wonder why he has pulled out?



Today's DM article mentions two 'police sources' suggesting Anni may have been shot accidentally while her attackers argued about whether to assault her sexually. As the quotes from these 'sources' seem to have been lifted from SA's equivalent of The Sun, I am not sure too much should be read into them at this stage. The article does, however, contain one real morsel of intrigue.

In a further development, Mrs Dewani’s father, Vinod Hindocha, 61, flew to England two days ago with his brother Ashok to deal with a matter ‘so delicatethat he may miss his daughter’s memorial service today in Mariestad, the Swedish town where she was born.

Mrs Dewani was brought up in Sweden where she took an engineering degree. She planned to move to Bristol to live with her husband following their wedding in India.

Anni’s aunt Nisha Hindocha, 62, said the brothers had not told anybody the precise reason they were going but said the matter was so important that they may not return in time for Anni’s memorial service.

‘They have not answered our telephone calls. Nobody knows where they have gone – the less we know, the better it is for all of us,’ she said. ‘It was a last-minute thing. The issue is delicate. We don’t know if they’ll be back in time for the ceremony.’

Now what could that be about?

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Post  docmac on Tue 7 Dec - 11:28

‘Dewani plotted his wife Anni's murder’

‘He was willing to pay R15 000’

December 7 2010 at 01:00pm

Shrien Dewani plotted his wife Anni's murder, the Cape High Court was told on Tuesday.
The revelation was made by Western Cape Director of Public Prosecutions, Rodney de Kock, during plea agreement proceedings.
“The deceased was murdered at the instance of her husband,” he told Judge President John Hlophe.
In terms of the agreement, Hlophe sentenced Zola Tongo, 31, to an effective 18 years jail.
“The alleged hijacking was in fact not a hijacking, but part of a plan of subterfuge which Shrien Dewani, the husband of the deceased, and the accused had designed to conceal the true facts, to wit: that the deceased was murdered at the instance of her husband,” said De Kock. De Kock said Tongo took the couple from Cape Town International Airport to the Cape Grace hotel on the city's Waterfront on November 12.

After their arrival at the Cape Grace, Shrien asked Tongo to procure a hitman to have “a woman” killed for R15,000. In a formal admission, handed in to court as part of the agreement, Tongo said he freelanced as a shuttle operator from Cape Town International Airport.

On November 12, he was waiting for fares at the airport when Shrien asked him to take him and Anni to the Cape Grace. “After we arrived at the hotel, Shrien Dewani approached me alone and asked me if I knew anyone that could 'have a client of his taken off the scene'. “After some discussion with him, I understood that he wanted someone, a woman, killed. “He said he was willing to pay an amount of R15,000. Shrien Dewani said he had US dollars and could pay in US dollars.”

Tongo said later that day he spoke to a friend about arranging a hitman. The friend put him in touch with the other two men who have been arrested in the case. They met in Tongo's vehicle in Khayelitsha on the afternoon of November 13. “We agreed that Shrien Dewani and I would be ejected from the vehicle and that the female occupant had to be killed.” He picked up Shrien and Anni at the hotel that night and took them to some “city sights”, before going to the intersection in Gugulethu where the hitmen were supposed to be.

They were not there, so he continued in the direction of Somerset West where the Dewanis had supper.
“Prior to entering the restaurant, Shrien Dewani asked me what was happening and said he wanted the job done that night.”

While the Dewanis were having supper, one of the hitmen called Tongo and confirmed they would be at the agreed location. Tongo said at one point in the vehicle, while he was driving around with the couple, he sent a text message to Shrien not to forget about the money. Shrien replied by sms that the money was in an envelope behind the front passenger seat.

The hitmen were waiting as arranged at the intersection of NY112 and NY108, in Gugulethu.
They carried out the fake hijacking and drove for a short distance before ordering Tongo out of the vehicle.
“They then drove off with Shrien Dewani and the deceased still in the vehicle.

“I knew that [the hitmen] would not harm Shrien Dewani and that he would be dropped off at some further point. I also knew that the deceased would be kidnapped, robbed and murdered... after Shrien Dewani had been ejected from the vehicle in accordance with the plan.” - Sapa

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Post  Roasted Arizona on Tue 7 Dec - 11:33

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3263399/Shrien-Dewani-said-to-be-horrified-at-being-murder-suspect.html

HONEYMOON husband Shrien Dewani was today implicated in his bride Anni's murder.

Prosecutors claimed that Mr Dewani paid his taxi driver 15,000 rand (£1,400) to kill his new wife.

Yesterday the 30-year-old millionaire was said to be horrified at reports he would be named as a suspect.

A source close to Mr Dewani's family said: "Shrien is utterly appalled at the prospect of being named as a suspect. He has lost the woman he loved in horrific circumstances and his life is in ruins. Now he is being persecuted with smears and lies.
"Shrien has made it clear he will cooperate fully to help find his wife's killers but is now deeply concerned about the way inquiries are being conducted.

"Accusing him of anything is ludicrous. Why would he kill the woman he loved? Why would he destroy his own future?"

Plea bargain ... driver Zola Tongo
Plea bargain ... driver Zola Tongo

Mr Dewani has told how he and Anni, 28, had just arrived in Cape Town on honeymoon when their taxi was hijacked by two armed men as it took a late-night detour through a township notorious for violent crime.

He said he was dragged from the cab and dumped on the road. Swedish-born Anni's blood-soaked body was found the next morning in the VW cab.

She had been shot once in the neck and partially stripped - but not sexually assaulted.

Mr Dewani, of Westbury-on-Trym, Bristol, flew home from South Africa three days later. The couple's driver Zola Tongo and two other men from the township have been charged with murder, robbery and kidnap.

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But Tongo, 31, is said to have done a deal with prosecutors for a lighter sentence.

He is expected to detail in Cape Town High Court this morning an alleged plot to murder Anni. A highly-placed Cape Town legal source said: "I expect a fourth suspect to be named. I expect that to be Mr Dewani."

Another source said: "Tongo wasn't alone in this. There was a conspiracy to obstruct the authorities. That's one of the bombshells."

Mr Dewani, who has repeatedly denied any involvement in his wife's death, claims he has been kept in the dark about the progress of the case.

The family source said: "Shrien would take advice from lawyers and British authorities before making a decision about going back.

"Attempts are being made to deflect attention away from those responsible for this crime."


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Post  margaret on Tue 7 Dec - 11:51

Makes me sick there were so many holes in his story yet this one has been sorted out so quickly, the Mcs got away with it (then).

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Post  Roasted Arizona on Tue 7 Dec - 11:57

margaret wrote:Makes me sick there were so many holes in his story yet this one has been sorted out so quickly, the Mcs got away with it (then).

I suspect the colour of his skin doesn't help him - ashamed to be British I am sometimes.

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Post  fred on Tue 7 Dec - 12:23

Roasted Arizona wrote:
margaret wrote:Makes me sick there were so many holes in his story yet this one has been sorted out so quickly, the Mcs got away with it (then).

I suspect the colour of his skin doesn't help him - ashamed to be British I am sometimes.

Sad but true!
I thought they were a lovely looking couple, imagine doing something as dreadful as that.

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Post  docmac on Tue 7 Dec - 13:00

It would appear that Dewani's biggest mistake was in not getting his co-conspirator or the two hitmen to delete their call records - or even put their phones through the washing machine. See, if he had the Madeleine fora he might have been a little 'smarter'. The McCann case reads almost like a textbook for criminals with enough imo.

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Post  Dimsie on Tue 7 Dec - 13:25

Roasted Arizona wrote:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3263399/Shrien-Dewani-said-to-be-horrified-at-being-murder-suspect.html

HONEYMOON husband Shrien Dewani was today implicated in his bride Anni's murder.

Prosecutors claimed that Mr Dewani paid his taxi driver 15,000 rand (£1,400) to kill his new wife.

Yesterday the 30-year-old millionaire was said to be horrified at reports he would be named as a suspect.

A source close to Mr Dewani's family said: "Shrien is utterly appalled at the prospect of being named as a suspect. He has lost the woman he loved in horrific circumstances and his life is in ruins. Now he is being persecuted with smears and lies.
"Shrien has made it clear he will cooperate fully to help find his wife's killers
but is now deeply concerned about the way inquiries are being conducted.

"Accusing him of anything is ludicrous. Why would he kill the woman he loved? Why would he destroy his own future?"

Plea bargain ... driver Zola Tongo
Plea bargain ... driver Zola Tongo

Mr Dewani has told how he and Anni, 28, had just arrived in Cape Town on honeymoon when their taxi was hijacked by two armed men as it took a late-night detour through a township notorious for violent crime.

He said he was dragged from the cab and dumped on the road. Swedish-born Anni's blood-soaked body was found the next morning in the VW cab.

She had been shot once in the neck and partially stripped - but not sexually assaulted.

Mr Dewani, of Westbury-on-Trym, Bristol, flew home from South Africa three days later. The couple's driver Zola Tongo and two other men from the township have been charged with murder, robbery and kidnap.

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But Tongo, 31, is said to have done a deal with prosecutors for a lighter sentence.

He is expected to detail in Cape Town High Court this morning an alleged plot to murder Anni. A highly-placed Cape Town legal source said: "I expect a fourth suspect to be named. I expect that to be Mr Dewani."

Another source said: "Tongo wasn't alone in this. There was a conspiracy to obstruct the authorities. That's one of the bombshells."

Mr Dewani, who has repeatedly denied any involvement in his wife's death, claims he has been kept in the dark about the progress of the case.

The family source said: "Shrien would take advice from lawyers and British authorities before making a decision about going back.

"Attempts are being made to deflect attention away from those responsible for this crime."

Now let me think ... where have we heard those same sentiments expressed before? Sometimes almost word for word, sometimes different words but meaning the same - real copycat stuff here.

I find this particularly interesting, if true (and of course we don't know exactly what's true until the 'family source' is named):

'Shrien has made it clear he will cooperate fully to help find his wife's killers but is now deeply concerned about the way inquiries are being conducted.'.

To me, that reads that he will cooperate if the police are looking for his wife's killers provided they look in the direction indicated and approved by him. Why should he be 'concerned about the way enquiries are being conducted' if he has done nothing wrong? An innocent person has nothing to fear from the most rigorous enquiries in ALL directions; indeed, an innocent person would insist on the most rigorous enquiries in all directions, including his own, so that one by one people could be eliminated from suspicion.

All very odd, IMO.

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Post  Wallflower on Tue 7 Dec - 13:26

I wonder if Mr Max Clifford will stick by him through thick and thin.

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Post  docmac on Tue 7 Dec - 13:31

Wallflower wrote:I wonder if Mr Max Clifford will stick by him through thick and thin.

Lawyer Billy Gundelfinger ran for the hills when it was confirmed to him what the taxi driver was going to say. Max should jump out of the truck before it crashes imo.

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Post  Wallflower on Tue 7 Dec - 14:38

Did he? I thought that kind of thing wasn't supposed to bother lawyers though. I thought it was part of their job description.

Anyhow, there was a very, very "pro" Shrien article in (I think) The Telegraph one or two days ago. It outlined a number of things such as

a) It looked like she had been sexually assaulted
b) The attackers shot her when they were arguing about whether to rape her or not
c) Shrien was not/could not be to blame
d) Shrien was devastated.

Anyone see it?

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Post  docmac on Tue 7 Dec - 15:16

Wallflower wrote:Did he? I thought that kind of thing wasn't supposed to bother lawyers though. I thought it was part of their job description.

Anyhow, there was a very, very "pro" Shrien article in (I think) The Telegraph one or two days ago. It outlined a number of things such as

a) It looked like she had been sexually assaulted
b) The attackers shot her when they were arguing about whether to rape her or not
c) Shrien was not/could not be to blame
d) Shrien was devastated.

Anyone see it?

I saw it. No similar reports have appeared here. Regarding Gundelfinger - he is a celeb lawyer. Loves the limelight. Loves protracted cases. Loves big money. This case will offer none of these.

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Post  buildersbum on Tue 7 Dec - 15:37

This story reminds me of the newly married Petal-Nasri couple......where husband paid a couple of guys from his local to murder his wife

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/05/29/murdered-policewoman-nisha-patel-nasri-husband-fadi-nasri-faces-life-in-jail-for-her-killing-115875-20432809/

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Post  docmac on Tue 7 Dec - 15:56

Anni was much older than Madeleine, but this is what a father who has lost a daughter looks like. Slide show.

http://www.mg.co.za/multimedia/2010-12-07-honeymoon-murder-goes-to-court

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Post  docmac on Tue 7 Dec - 16:00

Cellphone records and one SMS reveal Shrien's involvement.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-12-07-driver-implicates-husband-in-honeymoon-murder

Looks like its over for Dewani. Will he appear voluntarily or will it require an extradition? As I understand it he could even be prosecuted in the UK itself. Is this correct?

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Post  Wallflower on Tue 7 Dec - 16:14

Perhaps he thought the authorities in South Africa wouldn't be sophisticated enough to pick any of the clues up?

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