LATEST NEWS ON DEWANI MURDER

AnnaEsse wrote:Mr Clifford said: “He has already branded Shrien a ‘murdering ­monkey’. Now he has tried and convicted him. You can understand why the family are so apprehensive about what awaits them if they go back to South Africa.”

docmac wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Mr Clifford said: “He has already branded Shrien a ‘murdering ­monkey’. Now he has tried and convicted him. You can understand why the family are so apprehensive about what awaits them if they go back to South Africa.”

Always thought there was a possibility of other family members being 'in it'. Is this a slip of the tongue?

AnnaEsse wrote:

docmac wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Mr Clifford said: “He has already branded Shrien a ‘murdering ­monkey’. Now he has tried and convicted him. You can understand why the family are so apprehensive about what awaits them if they go back to South Africa.”

Always thought there was a possibility of other family members being 'in it'. Is this a slip of the tongue?

That's interesting. I didn't quite pick up on that. It won't be the first time that an Asian family has got rid of the daughter-in-law. Unfortunately, in the UK there aren't the kind of cooking stoves that a woman might set herself on fire with.

AnnaEsse wrote:

docmac wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Mr Clifford said: “He has already branded Shrien a ‘murdering ­monkey’. Now he has tried and convicted him. You can understand why the family are so apprehensive about what awaits them if they go back to South Africa.”

Always thought there was a possibility of other family members being 'in it'. Is this a slip of the tongue?

That's interesting. I didn't quite pick up on that. It won't be the first time that an Asian family has got rid of the daughter-in-law. Unfortunately, in the UK there aren't the kind of cooking stoves that a woman might set herself on fire with.

T4two wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

docmac wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Mr Clifford said: “He has already branded Shrien a ‘murdering ­monkey’. Now he has tried and convicted him. You can understand why the family are so apprehensive about what awaits them if they go back to South Africa.”

Always thought there was a possibility of other family members being 'in it'. Is this a slip of the tongue?

That's interesting. I didn't quite pick up on that. It won't be the first time that an Asian family has got rid of the daughter-in-law. Unfortunately, in the UK there aren't the kind of cooking stoves that a woman might set herself on fire with.

I get the impression that it's now his family against hers. Her family is fighting for her since she obviously cannot fight for herself, so Clifford has lined up the whole of the Dewani family against them. Not only Shrien who is worried about not getting a fair trial and won't go back then, but the whole family 'cos he's innocent and they're fighting for him see. That's PR - no idea whether they're 'in it' or not, but I don't think it was a slip of the tongue by Clifford.

Dimsie wrote:It'll be very interesting to find out what the supposed motive is, as so far the lack of any obvious motive is one of the puzzling things in the case if Shrien Dewani is involved. A motive, if supported by evidence, would IMO make extradition pretty likely.

All these claims about no possibility of a fair trial are par for the course when someone is accused of a crime in another country, in the same vein as allegations that the dreadful foreign police are framing the poor innocent British person for the crime in a bid to protect their tourist trade, etc. I sincerely hope we're not due for another 'bungling, corrupt foreign police force' onslaught by the likes of the Sun, the paper that seems to be of the opinion that no British person could ever commit a crime in another country, that the nasty foreigners are at it again, fitting up British people to cover their own ineptitude.

Chris wrote:

T4two wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

docmac wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Mr Clifford said: “He has already branded Shrien a ‘murdering ­monkey’. Now he has tried and convicted him. You can understand why the family are so apprehensive about what awaits them if they go back to South Africa.”

Always thought there was a possibility of other family members being 'in it'. Is this a slip of the tongue?

That's interesting. I didn't quite pick up on that. It won't be the first time that an Asian family has got rid of the daughter-in-law. Unfortunately, in the UK there aren't the kind of cooking stoves that a woman might set herself on fire with.

I get the impression that it's now his family against hers. Her family is fighting for her since she obviously cannot fight for herself, so Clifford has lined up the whole of the Dewani family against them. Not only Shrien who is worried about not getting a fair trial and won't go back then, but the whole family 'cos he's innocent and they're fighting for him see. That's PR - no idea whether they're 'in it' or not, but I don't think it was a slip of the tongue by Clifford.

What is interesting about the power of PR is that we are on first name terms with Dewani. Take for example today's Sun:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3357849/Cops-Dewani-motive-claim.html

How often do you get to see someone suspected of involvement in a murder addressed like a victim in our tabloids. Of course the Sun is reputedly Max's favourite outlet.

The Department of Justice has said it would "possibly consider" a deal with Shrien Dewani's legal team for him to return to South Africa to stand trial for his alleged role in the murder of his wife, Anni.

Justice spokesman Tlali Tlali said the department had not been formally approached by Dewani's legal team, but that "any proposition that is consistent with our original intent (to have him stand trial on South African soil) may possibly be given consideration"...

Karen wrote:

Dimsie wrote:It'll be very interesting to find out what the supposed motive is, as so far the lack of any obvious motive is one of the puzzling things in the case if Shrien Dewani is involved. A motive, if supported by evidence, would IMO make extradition pretty likely.

All these claims about no possibility of a fair trial are par for the course when someone is accused of a crime in another country, in the same vein as allegations that the dreadful foreign police are framing the poor innocent British person for the crime in a bid to protect their tourist trade, etc. I sincerely hope we're not due for another 'bungling, corrupt foreign police force' onslaught by the likes of the Sun, the paper that seems to be of the opinion that no British person could ever commit a crime in another country, that the nasty foreigners are at it again, fitting up British people to cover their own ineptitude.

The main reason for her murder I believe is : He is gay, I believe the SA Coppers have a written statement from the German guy who was paid three times for sex by Mr Dewani.

I am from South Africa, my whole family still live there and believe you me, the cops are very very CORRUPT, you can buy your way out of a situation for a couple of hundred rand, BUT not this, I firmly belive they are right on this and Mr Cele of ALL people will not risk looking stupid if HE was not certain of his involvement.

The crime rate is EXTREMELY high BUT it is NOT the motis oprandi the "hijackers" use, by that I mean they usually rape kill and steal the car...................wherin this case is totally out of character.

docmac wrote:

The Department of Justice has said it would "possibly consider" a deal with Shrien Dewani's legal team for him to return to South Africa to stand trial for his alleged role in the murder of his wife, Anni.

Justice spokesman Tlali Tlali said the department had not been formally approached by Dewani's legal team, but that "any proposition that is consistent with our original intent (to have him stand trial on South African soil) may possibly be given consideration"...

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article860991.ece/Dewani-deal-possible

I guess we'll find out soon enough now. The extradition hearing is but hours away.

buildersbum wrote:

Karen wrote:

Dimsie wrote:It'll be very interesting to find out what the supposed motive is, as so far the lack of any obvious motive is one of the puzzling things in the case if Shrien Dewani is involved. A motive, if supported by evidence, would IMO make extradition pretty likely.

All these claims about no possibility of a fair trial are par for the course when someone is accused of a crime in another country, in the same vein as allegations that the dreadful foreign police are framing the poor innocent British person for the crime in a bid to protect their tourist trade, etc. I sincerely hope we're not due for another 'bungling, corrupt foreign police force' onslaught by the likes of the Sun, the paper that seems to be of the opinion that no British person could ever commit a crime in another country, that the nasty foreigners are at it again, fitting up British people to cover their own ineptitude.

The main reason for her murder I believe is : He is gay, I believe the SA Coppers have a written statement from the German guy who was paid three times for sex by Mr Dewani.

I am from South Africa, my whole family still live there and believe you me, the cops are very very CORRUPT, you can buy your way out of a situation for a couple of hundred rand, BUT not this, I firmly belive they are right on this and Mr Cele of ALL people will not risk looking stupid if HE was not certain of his involvement.

The crime rate is EXTREMELY high BUT it is NOT the motis oprandi the "hijackers" use, by that I mean they usually rape kill and steal the car...................wherin this case is totally out of character.

As usual SEX will be intwind somewhere, its funny coz my sister said she though Dewani could be gay, well if the have a written confession from this German guy, then Dewani is def in the Doo Doo as the OP says.

wjk wrote:

docmac wrote:

The Department of Justice has said it would "possibly consider" a deal with Shrien Dewani's legal team for him to return to South Africa to stand trial for his alleged role in the murder of his wife, Anni.

Justice spokesman Tlali Tlali said the department had not been formally approached by Dewani's legal team, but that "any proposition that is consistent with our original intent (to have him stand trial on South African soil) may possibly be given consideration"...

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article860991.ece/Dewani-deal-possible

I guess we'll find out soon enough now. The extradition hearing is but hours away.

Looking forward to seeing how the hearing goes tomorrow doc
Will be very interesting!

T4two wrote: There was a time when half the male stars in Hollywood were gay and all had wives as alibis because being gay would have ruined them at the time, but they didn't go around having their wives murdered. Dewani may well be gay - can someone explain why this would be a motive for having his wife killed? Why did he get married in the first place?

A RENT boy who claims murdered bride Anni Dewani's husband paid him for sex has been quizzed for two days by police.

The shaven-headed, 16½-stone prostitute from Munich calls himself The German Master and likes posing in leather gear.

Senior South African investigator Lieutenant Colonel Mike Barkhuizen and Scotland Yard detectives went to his UK home in the Midlands to seek proof of his alleged contacts with Shrien Dewani, 30.

Dewani is facing extradition to South Africa to answer allegations he had Anni killed as they honeymooned in Cape Town. He denies being gay, saying he and Anni, 28, were "blissfully happy".

And he has dismissed claims he was involved in the murder last November as "ludicrous".

The rent boy claims he was paid £1,100 for three sex sessions with care homes boss Dewani in Britain.

He has signed a statement and been warned he may need to give evidence at a South African trial.

It is understood his mobile phone records are being checked. Calls data can show links between phones and pinpoint a person's location.

The revelation came as millionaire Dewani's family revealed he was ill and would not attend an extradition hearing in London today.

South African police said this week that they had established an alleged motive for Shrien to kill Anni - and may reveal it in court today.

They also revealed they had been told the British businessman had suffered a sex problem - and discussed it with Anni's dad Vinod, 61.

A highly-placed South African police source told The Sun last night: "Investigators have established Shrien told Anni's father he was suffering from a medical problem in relation to his private life.

"Just before the wedding, he told the dad his problem was 'better'."

In a further development, Cape Town police sources told The Sun that Dewani could be quizzed in court over concerns he tried to obstruct the inquiry.

Detectives say PIN numbers he gave them to activate his phone after the murder were incorrect.

The rent boy was first questioned by British police last month. They sent a dossier to South Africa.

McIntosh Polela, a spokesman for the police unit running the Dewani investigation, confirmed Col Barkhuizen had gathered "good leads" since arriving in London last week.

Taxi driver Zola Tongo, 31, has claimed Dewani paid him to hire gunmen who staged a fake carjack. Anni was found shot dead next day.

Dewani, of Westbury-on-Trym, Bristol, was arrested last month and is on £250,000 bail.

His agent Max Clifford said last night: "Shrien is getting used to hearing all these malicious lies but the truth will come out in court."

docmac wrote:http://news.iafrica.com/sa/699773.html

'Ill' Dewani to miss court

That was always going to happen.

T4two wrote:I simply don't understand the significance of his being gay or not as a motive. I'm not familiar with Indian culture so I don't know whether his being gay would be some kind of disgrace or was there a lot of money involved? Getting married and having your bride murdered shortly afterwards because you're actually gay doesn't seem to make any sense to me and if I was a member of the jury I'd need a very convincing explanation to understand this motive. Was he forced into it by his family perhaps and if he had refused would they have murdered him? He could of course be simply unhinged, but then being gay would not be such a factor. Perhaps Max makes him walk around with a Barbie doll so that he looks unhinged ...

Popcorn wrote:

T4two wrote:I simply don't understand the significance of his being gay or not as a motive. I'm not familiar with Indian culture so I don't know whether his being gay would be some kind of disgrace or was there a lot of money involved? Getting married and having your bride murdered shortly afterwards because you're actually gay doesn't seem to make any sense to me and if I was a member of the jury I'd need a very convincing explanation to understand this motive. Was he forced into it by his family perhaps and if he had refused would they have murdered him? He could of course be simply unhinged, but then being gay would not be such a factor. Perhaps Max makes him walk around with a Barbie doll so that he looks unhinged ...

Well he certainly doesn't do it to demonstrate how very macho and straight he is...

The rent boy claims he was paid £1,100 for three sex sessions with care homes boss Dewani in Britain.

docmac wrote:http://news.iafrica.com/sa/699773.html

'Ill' Dewani to miss court

That was always going to happen.