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Post  weary on Sun 15 May - 5:50

The game is afoot!!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/246743/Madeleine-McCann-witnesses-asked-to-relive-night-she-disappear

KEY witnesses in and around the Ocean Club resort complex when Madeleine McCann disappeared should be asked to take part in a re‑enactment to help the Scotland Yard hunt for the child.

Former Yard Commander Dai ­Davies believes a controversial reconstruction with Kate and Gerry McCann, their holiday friends and others could be vital in encouraging new witnesses to come forward.

When top Portuguese detective Paulo Rebelo took over the case he was frustrated at not being able to stage a reconstruction as he believed it could provide a breakthrough.

However, at that time there were strains in the relationship with the McCanns, the so-called Tapas Seven and Portuguese police and there was suspicion about the motives of such an exercise.

Mr Davies, head of royal protection at the Yard and now a respected ­security consultant, said: “I believe a reconstruction should be one of the ideas on the table and it should be seriously considered, although it would obviously have to be handled very gently and diplomatically.

“Reconstructions screened on Crimewatch many, many years after serious crimes have been crucial in solving complex and difficult inquiries. If the reconstruction was screened across Europe it may inspire someone to come forward with crucial information.”

Jane Tanner, the friend of the McCanns who claimed she saw a man carrying a child near apartment 5a of the complex at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve on May 3, 2007, days before Madeleine’s fourth birthday, has already taken part in a partial reconstruction for a TV ­documentary.

Another crucial witness is Irishman Martin Smith, who also saw a man carrying a child in his arms later in the evening.

Mr Davies said: “As well as these important witnesses it would be useful to seek the cooperation of others who were working at the tapas bar.

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“With the close involvement of the Yard and cooperation with all the important witnesses and an agreement for a filmed version to be screened on Crimewatch and its ­Portuguese equivalent, I believe a reconstruction would be very useful. I also think the Yard should conduct a ­thorough overhaul of all the forensic evidence as something may have been missed and they should trawl over the crucial witnesses to see if a line of inquiry was not pursued.

“A lot of photofits have been ­produced over the years and the team will be anxious to try to identify those people.” John O’Connor, former head of the Yard’s Flying Squad, said: “They are lucky in that there is already a mountain of evidence to go through and analyse and they are very good at that. They are very good at concentrating on the really important leads and how they were pursued.”

Although the Portuguese police publicly released scores of files on the case, they withheld documents with details of British people living in the area with criminal records for sex offences.

That information will now come under the microscope of the Yard’s elite Homicide and Serious Crime Command unit.

Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood will lead the team and he will be reporting to Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell, Operational Command Unit commander. The senior officer in overall charge is ­Commander Simon Foy.

Mr Campbell is used to handling difficult, high profile cases as he was responsible for investigating the ­murder of BBC news presenter Jill Dando and is known for his attention to detail and his tenacity.

It is expected DCI Redwood will at times have 10 officers working for him and he will split them up into groups concentrating on different aspects of the case.

He is expected to travel to Portugal later in the month with a small team to liaise with ­detectives in Lisbon and Portimao, some 20 miles from Luz. Portuguese police are still the lead force in the investigation.

In her book, Madeleine, published last week, Kate McCann, 43, revealed the existence of a note in the Ocean Club staff message book saying that the families were leaving their ­children behind each night.

She said: “I was dismayed. This was a glaring light to a child taker and yet no mention is made of it in the files until December 2007. December 2007! Seven months after Madeleine’s abduction! I could only conclude that its relevance had not been appreciated by the police.”

One avenue the officers will explore is whether sightings of Madeleine were taken seriously and properly examined. Last week an elderly woman contacted the Sunday Express to say she saw Madeleine at the Spanish coastal town of Torrevieja, near Murcia, the day after the kidnapping.

The woman, aged 81, said she and her husband saw a girl with a suspicious looking man near some shops. She said: “It was definitely Madeleine because I recognised the mark in her eye. I went to the police there and I have been to British police but I don’t believe the sighting was properly investigated.”

We have passed on details of this incident to private investigators ­working for the McCanns.

Last week we revealed that ­German youth worker Martin N, who is being questioned about a spate of child murders across Europe, will be asked if he was in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished.

German police say he has ­confessed to one child murder and will be questioned about some 40 sex attacks.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  blackrose on Sun 15 May - 6:14

"When top Portuguese detective Paulo Rebelo took over the case he was frustrated at not being able to stage a reconstruction as he believed it could provide a breakthrough.

However, at that time there were strains in the relationship with the McCanns, the so-called Tapas Seven and Portuguese police and there was suspicion about the motives of such an exercise."



This has got to be one of the most incredible, and suspicious, aspects of this entire case. How often do we hear of a police detective in charge of a serious case being unable to organise a reconstruction, largely because the people involved have thrown a wobbler and don't want to play? How on earth were these people ever given the choice in the first place?

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  weary on Sun 15 May - 6:39

Granted the luvvie-fest around Kate and Gerry this week, this article struck me as one that is going to put a complete panic into Kate and Gerry when they open their Sunday paper to see what they expect will be continued worship. (It's been worship for years.)

It's subtle, but to me this seems like the most anti-McCann article I've seen in a paper for ages. This isn't the supposedly stupid, incompetent PJ asking for a reconstruction: this is a British former officer of high rank, and he think's it's crucial. The paper makes it pretty clear who was "reluctant" to do the reconstruction he thinks is very important, and who wanted it to happen . . . which doesn't make the McCanns and the T7 look good.

They were reluctant because they knew the timelines they'd given were contradictory and impossible, and used "It's so far to go" and "But we're in Britain" and "It's not convenient" and "The hotels aren't up to what we're used to, even though we paid to stay there ourselves." But if they fight a reconstruction SY requires, they'll look more and more nakedly suspicious or downright guilty to the people who still support them (and I suspect those are dwindling by the day). If SY requires it the T9 will be over a barrel. I'd imagine that the T7 are going to be calling their lawyers asap Monday morning. Maybe one of them will break.

He makes a strong argument that televised reconstructions can solve crimes, even years after the event. How exactly are the McCanns going to wriggle out of that one? If it's the BRITISH police asking for it, especially.

If you still thought well of them, you're British, and you naively thought that the PJ weren't competent, maybe you would have thought that resisting the PJ's request would be reasonable for the McCanns, since they said the point was to "fit them up." (And it was: to make it very clear that the version they'd given wasn't possible.)

But if it's the British police saying they think it would be helpful . . . I don't think the McCanns can resist without looking more and more guilty.

I hope that one of the things the police will read is Kate's book, and especially page 129. The British are supposed to have Child Abuse Unit personnel as part of the team, though the press has played that down after an initial announcement.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  fred on Sun 15 May - 8:09

Ludicrious suggestion, very unhelpful

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 15 May - 9:33

One really important part of a reconstruction would be to dress the child being carried, the one Jane Tanner reported seeing, in pyjamas just like these:



Then it would be easy to see, quite clearly, that the pyjamas would ride up the legs of a child being carried as Tanner described. Kate McCann had that spare pair and if she doesn't still have them, then I am sure the style, if not that particular model, is still available.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  Dimsie on Sun 15 May - 10:44

It would be interesting to test just what could have been seen by the eagle-eyed Jane at night and in the glare of streetlight. Just as it would be interesting to test what Matthew Oldfield could or couldn't have seen, during his supposed visit to the bedroom where he was meant to be checking on 3 children. A full official reconstruction could test these things and more, could see just how accurate the statements made really were. I'd be delighted to think JT has such wonderful eyesight; I just wish mine was as good. She could maybe pass her secrets of great vision on to MO whose eyesight appears to be rather defective, going by his own account of what he says he saw and didn't see.

I'm sure this time if they're asked to go back for a police reconstruction they'll be delighted to comply. After all, they all knew Madeleine, they were on holiday with her, they have children of a similar age - wouldn't they do anything in their power to help the investigation into her disappearance?

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  Guest on Sun 15 May - 10:49

Former Yard Commander Dai ­Davies believes a controversial reconstruction with Kate and Gerry McCann, their holiday friends and others could be vital in encouraging new witnesses to come forward.

When top Portuguese detective Paulo Rebelo took over the case he was frustrated at not being able to stage a reconstruction as he believed it could provide a breakthrough.

Well, if Paulo Rebelo and Dai Davies both wanted a reconstruction, what's the chances that Andy Redwood will be after the same thing. And this time, the McCanns and their cronies can hardly refuse.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 15 May - 10:59

Dimsie wrote:It would be interesting to test just what could have been seen by the eagle-eyed Jane at night and in the glare of streetlight. Just as it would be interesting to test what Matthew Oldfield could or couldn't have seen, during his supposed visit to the bedroom where he was meant to be checking on 3 children. A full official reconstruction could test these things and more, could see just how accurate the statements made really were. I'd be delighted to think JT has such wonderful eyesight; I just wish mine was as good. She could maybe pass her secrets of great vision on to MO whose eyesight appears to be rather defective, going by his own account of what he says he saw and didn't see.

I'm sure this time if they're asked to go back for a police reconstruction they'll be delighted to comply. After all, they all knew Madeleine, they were on holiday with her, they have children of a similar age - wouldn't they do anything in their power to help the investigation into her disappearance?

Matthew Oldfield's statement: 4/05/2007

The interview begins at 11.30am on 04/05/08. It is made in the presence of inspector Patricia D.
As with previous statements, the interviewee having no command of the Portuguese language, an interpreter was requested.

It is Angela F.M. and as with all previous statements, the interview was read over and its contents explained. After having shown his agreement with his statements, the interviewee confirmed and signed as accurate, the deed that followed, conjointly with the, "sworn," interpreter. This was normal procedure since the start of the interviews.

In signing, the interpreter commits herself legally concerning the accuracy of her translation.

On the subject, the interviewee says:

It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: ***** and ***) Russell and Jane (children **** and ****) Rachael (daughter ******) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

That the idea of spending the holiday in Portugal came from the couple David and Fiona and that it is they who reserved the accommodation. That this reservation was made 4 or 5 months ago. That since they arrived in Portugal, until last night, the days were all the same. In the morning, the group woke between 6.30 and 8am and that they all went on foot to the, "Millennium," around 10 minutes from the complex. That only Madeleine's parents, Madeleine and the twins had breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three very small children.

That after breakfast, the children were left at the "Kids Club" of the complex. Madeleine and **** go to the mini-club for their age and the other children go to another club for younger children. At lunchtime, the habit was to meet up in one of the apartments occupied by the group to have lunch there with the children. In the afternoon, the children have a sleep in their respective apartments under the supervision of an adult. The other adults do sporting activities within the complex. After their afternoon sleep, the children return to the "Kids Club."

That around 4.45pm, the children eat at the "Tapas," restaurant inside the tourist complex. After eating, the children went to play in a playground in the complex, supervised by adults. At around 8pm, the children went to sleep and at around 8.30pm, the adults went to dinner at the "Tapas" restaurant. While they were eating, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments without the constant supervision of an adult. The interviewee adds that, as the restaurant is around 1 minute from the apartments, randomly, an adult would be going frequently to check on the children in the apartments.

The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them. The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm.

That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine. That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half-open. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee does not know if Gerry met anyone while he was checking the children. He did not mention it.

That during the meal, it was usual that every 15 minutes (as on all nights) one of the adults went to the apartments to check if the children were sleeping. That normally this checking was done inside the apartments (Visual checking), but that, to be honest, sometimes this checking was only done from the outside, near the bedroom windows (Auditory checking)

As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the fourth apartment that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was half-open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light in question was from an artificial source but not inside the bedroom, rather from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

The apartment has two bedrooms, a lounge, a small kitchen and a bathroom. The couple's bedroom has a window which is visible from the restaurant. The children's bedroom windows look out on the road outside the tourist complex. Then the interviewee went back to the restaurant.

He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked because that door is visible from the restaurant.

At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. At that time all the adults were in the restaurant. Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only, one window in the children's bedroom was open. The window and the shutters were open.

That during the holiday, and notably during the day yesterday and during dinner, nothing appeared unusual to the interviewee. That there wasn't the slightest change in the behaviour of any of the group, notably in that of Kate or Gerry and their respective children.

Question: And outside the group?

No, there was nothing unusual and he knows of nothing special happening. That the tourist complex was quiet and that nothing unusual happened there. That during the day the children were under the supervision of the Kids Club's staff. That he doesn't know if Madeleine was suffering from any illness or if she was taking medication. That Madeleine is very lively, obedient, communicative and extrovert. Madeleine's parents are both very friendly, communicative, happy and sensible. That the couple have an excellent relationship with their children, not making any difference in the treatment of each. That the three children were very much wanted by the couple, all three being the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation.

The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because these are people who are very comfortable financially.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  wjk on Sun 15 May - 12:01

Please, get Dai Davies on the case!!

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  cass on Sun 15 May - 12:47

well imo they have really opened a can of worms now , they wanted a review , they wanted to know what the pj held back its want want want , they got the sun onside blamed the goverment in power when madeline went missing and this one they blamed the pj infact everyone , they now might be called back to portugal for a reconstruction well thats NOT what they wanted . infact the more i think about it i reccon someones gonna get set up , tapas crew call your lawyers today

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Post  wjk on Sun 15 May - 12:57

cass wrote:well imo they have really opened a can of worms now , they wanted a review , they wanted to know what the pj held back its want want want , they got the sun onside blamed the goverment in power when madeline went missing and this one they blamed the pj infact everyone , they now might be called back to portugal for a reconstruction well thats NOT what they wanted . infact the more i think about it i reccon someones gonna get set up , tapas crew call your lawyers today

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  duncanmac on Sun 15 May - 13:00

The reconstruction may be the simple factor that turns the groundswell of support they have.
There are many people who are now having doubts having supported them initially.
A failure to agree to a reconstruction when they asked for a review, will finally turn the fence sitters against them.
"Justice for a little girl who has no voice "

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Post  fred on Sun 15 May - 13:24

Kate will be to fragile to go back for a reconstruction, it would be too painful for her. (cough!)

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 15 May - 13:30

weary wrote:The game is afoot!!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/246743/Madeleine-McCann-witnesses-asked-to-relive-night-she-disappearKEY witnesses in and around the Ocean Club resort complex when Madeleine McCann disappeared should be asked to take part in a re‑enactment to help the Scotland Yard hunt for the child.

Former Yard Commander Dai ­Davies believes a controversial reconstruction with Kate and Gerry McCann, their holiday friends and others could be vital in encouraging new witnesses to come forward.

When top Portuguese detective Paulo Rebelo took over the case he was frustrated at not being able to stage a reconstruction as he believed it could provide a breakthrough.

However, at that time there were strains in the relationship with the McCanns, the so-called Tapas Seven and Portuguese police and there was suspicion about the motives of such an exercise.

Mr Davies, head of royal protection at the Yard and now a respected ­security consultant, said: “I believe a reconstruction should be one of the ideas on the table and it should be seriously considered, although it would obviously have to be handled very gently and diplomatically.

“Reconstructions screened on Crimewatch many, many years after serious crimes have been crucial in solving complex and difficult inquiries. If the reconstruction was screened across Europe it may inspire someone to come forward with crucial information.”

Jane Tanner, the friend of the McCanns who claimed she saw a man carrying a child near apartment 5a of the complex at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve on May 3, 2007, days before Madeleine’s fourth birthday, has already taken part in a partial reconstruction for a TV ­documentary.

Another crucial witness is Irishman Martin Smith, who also saw a man carrying a child in his arms later in the evening.

Mr Davies said: “As well as these important witnesses it would be useful to seek the cooperation of others who were working at the tapas bar.

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“With the close involvement of the Yard and cooperation with all the important witnesses and an agreement for a filmed version to be screened on Crimewatch and its ­Portuguese equivalent, I believe a reconstruction would be very useful. I also think the Yard should conduct a ­thorough overhaul of all the forensic evidence as something may have been missed and they should trawl over the crucial witnesses to see if a line of inquiry was not pursued.

“A lot of photofits have been ­produced over the years and the team will be anxious to try to identify those people.” John O’Connor, former head of the Yard’s Flying Squad, said: “They are lucky in that there is already a mountain of evidence to go through and analyse and they are very good at that. They are very good at concentrating on the really important leads and how they were pursued.”

Although the Portuguese police publicly released scores of files on the case, they withheld documents with details of British people living in the area with criminal records for sex offences.

That information will now come under the microscope of the Yard’s elite Homicide and Serious Crime Command unit.

Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood will lead the team and he will be reporting to Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell, Operational Command Unit commander. The senior officer in overall charge is ­Commander Simon Foy.

Mr Campbell is used to handling difficult, high profile cases as he was responsible for investigating the ­murder of BBC news presenter Jill Dando and is known for his attention to detail and his tenacity.

It is expected DCI Redwood will at times have 10 officers working for him and he will split them up into groups concentrating on different aspects of the case.

He is expected to travel to Portugal later in the month with a small team to liaise with ­detectives in Lisbon and Portimao, some 20 miles from Luz. Portuguese police are still the lead force in the investigation.

In her book, Madeleine, published last week, Kate McCann, 43, revealed the existence of a note in the Ocean Club staff message book saying that the families were leaving their ­children behind each night.

She said: “I was dismayed. This was a glaring light to a child taker and yet no mention is made of it in the files until December 2007. December 2007! Seven months after Madeleine’s abduction! I could only conclude that its relevance had not been appreciated by the police.”

One avenue the officers will explore is whether sightings of Madeleine were taken seriously and properly examined. Last week an elderly woman contacted the Sunday Express to say she saw Madeleine at the Spanish coastal town of Torrevieja, near Murcia, the day after the kidnapping.

The woman, aged 81, said she and her husband saw a girl with a suspicious looking man near some shops. She said: “It was definitely Madeleine because I recognised the mark in her eye. I went to the police there and I have been to British police but I don’t believe the sighting was properly investigated.”

We have passed on details of this incident to private investigators ­working for the McCanns.

Last week we revealed that ­German youth worker Martin N, who is being questioned about a spate of child murders across Europe, will be asked if he was in Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished.

German police say he has ­confessed to one child murder and will be questioned about some 40 sex attacks.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/246743/Madeleine-McCann-witnesses-asked-to-relive-night-she-disappearedMadeleine-McCann-witnesses-asked-to-relive-night-she-disappeared#ixzz1MOS9WrP4

The will not like it. There's Matthew Oldfield who could see both twins from the doorway, although one of the cots had a solid end and they were very close together. (Reportedly!) He also stated on May 4th 2007 that Madeleine's bedroom had 2 windows! Then there's those baggy pyjamas that would not have come to the ankles. Lots could be shown up as sheer fantasy by way of reconstruction.

I don't think the McCanns and friends will like this. Not one little bit!

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Post  mara thon on Sun 15 May - 14:00

" In the afternoon, the children have a sleep in their respective apartments under the supervision of an adult. "


So the afternoon sleeps were under adult supervision but the nights the children were left alone ! How very odd.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 15 May - 14:02

mara thon wrote:" In the afternoon, the children have a sleep in their respective apartments under the supervision of an adult. "


So the afternoon sleeps were under adult supervision but the nights the children were left alone ! How very odd.

A good point to pick out, mara thon.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  widowan on Sun 15 May - 14:14

What will they do? Refuse to do one now because they aren't certain how it could help Madeleine? Oh, I foresee a great spate of busyness that precludes travel, on the part of the Friends. They really only need Jane and Matt, the Paynes never got up from the table nor did Rachel.

They can't say it's because the police are against them, these are the friendlies they wanted in. Only not to reconstruct, they wanted them in to review files but too bad, in for a penny in for a pound, NOW explain why you won't coopeate with an investigation British taxpayers are forking over 3.5M pounds for!

kate is such a @sshole. She was horrified that the staff had a note in their private book that the kdis were being elft because THAT was such a clue to would be child nappers. Not the fact that the children where there - but that it was noted in a book. A child napper would have to know that, get the book, then go and find out which apartments these people were in for that to do him any good. The fact that they TOLD people about this and sat there with two baby monitors at the table might have also provided a clue or the non stop crying coming out of the apt for over an hour might have provided a clue as well.

It will be such FUN to hear Matt tell how he saw both twins breathing in a room so light he could notice that the shutters were down. And unless he stood over the cot he couldn't see ONE twin, if he saw both he'd have had to walk backwards out of the room after doing so, in order to fail to be facing Madeleiine in her empty bed which he would then also have noticed.

Also fun to see if they can find a 4 year old to put on baggy capri length trousers that go to the knee not ankle. They need to find Carpenters and assess if that was them and their child.

Go, Scotland Yard!

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Post  jinvta on Mon 16 May - 4:55

I agree with those who say that Matt and Jane have the most to worry about regarding the reconstruction. They must be $#!tting in their pants right now at such a thought.

Some things I would like to see in a reconstruction:

1) Gerry proving how easy it was to open the shutters from the outside.
2) Where Matt was standing at the doorway so that he could see the twins breathing and the "two" windows in the bedroom, but not have a clear line of sight to Madeleine.
3) Where Gerry was when Jez Wilkins first saw him "walking" toward the Tapas Bar. For Gerry to be seen walking by Jez, rather than exiting the gate at the bottom of the steps, he would need to have exited the main door.
4) As mentioned above, a child dressed in identical pajamas to those allegedly worn by Madleine being carried in the manner indicated by Jane Tanner.
5) Just exactly where everyone was seated at the table. I have my suspicions that each tapas member was asked to provide a diagram of where everyone sat. There is no way that you would not remember the two people sitting on either side of you at the very least. Jane places herself firmly next to Kate, whilst Kate places Jane completely across the table. This is highly suspicious. There was one detective who claimed that Jane never left the table that night, the MW staff appear to confirm that theory. I suspect another option was that Jane never even went to the table that night, which blows her entire sighting out the window.
6) Exactly how much wind force would have been required to slam the bedroom door shut (patio doors being closed) when Kate closed the door to 5 degrees.
7) Proof that the Payne's baby monitor worked at such a long distance and through so many walls.

How can the McCanns and the Tapas lot refuse such a reconstruction? Surely they can't claim to doubt the motives of a review that they themselves have requested.

I am wondering if the PJ had urged Cameron to request the review with the idea that the reconstruction would be the first task in the review?

Hopefully the second task will be Kate answering all 48 questions asked of her, and then some.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  blackrose on Mon 16 May - 5:01

widowan: "NOW explain why you won't coopeate with an investigation British taxpayers are forking over 3.5M pounds for!"

Excellent point!!

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Post  Guest on Mon 16 May - 8:33

blackrose wrote:widowan: "NOW explain why you won't coopeate with an investigation British taxpayers are forking over 3.5M pounds for!"

Excellent point!!

"And BTW, here's the bill." Oh, how I would love to see that one!

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Post  whatsupdoc on Mon 16 May - 8:51

jinvta wrote:I agree with those who say that Matt and Jane have the most to worry about regarding the reconstruction. They must be $#!tting in their pants right now at such a thought.

Some things I would like to see in a reconstruction:

1) Gerry proving how easy it was to open the shutters from the outside.
2) Where Matt was standing at the doorway so that he could see the twins breathing and the "two" windows in the bedroom, but not have a clear line of sight to Madeleine.
3) Where Gerry was when Jez Wilkins first saw him "walking" toward the Tapas Bar. For Gerry to be seen walking by Jez, rather than exiting the gate at the bottom of the steps, he would need to have exited the main door.
4) As mentioned above, a child dressed in identical pajamas to those allegedly worn by Madleine being carried in the manner indicated by Jane Tanner.
5) Just exactly where everyone was seated at the table. I have my suspicions that each tapas member was asked to provide a diagram of where everyone sat. There is no way that you would not remember the two people sitting on either side of you at the very least. Jane places herself firmly next to Kate, whilst Kate places Jane completely across the table. This is highly suspicious. There was one detective who claimed that Jane never left the table that night, the MW staff appear to confirm that theory. I suspect another option was that Jane never even went to the table that night, which blows her entire sighting out the window.
6) Exactly how much wind force would have been required to slam the bedroom door shut (patio doors being closed) when Kate closed the door to 5 degrees.
7) Proof that the Payne's baby monitor worked at such a long distance and through so many walls.

How can the McCanns and the Tapas lot refuse such a reconstruction? Surely they can't claim to doubt the motives of a review that they themselves have requested.

I am wondering if the PJ had urged Cameron to request the review with the idea that the reconstruction would be the first task in the review?

Hopefully the second task will be Kate answering all 48 questions asked of her, and then some.

All excellent points, jinvta.

I think the shutters was the first lie by both of them when they phoned friends and rels and described a break-in with the shutters forced. So simple to show that they lied from the start.
The table at the Tapas bar re where they all sat, or didn't. I also thought that JT wasn't there at all on the third.

If this investigation is going to be an honest one, it's not difficult to show that many lies have been told.

eta Claiming an abduction must have been the first lie.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  blackrose on Mon 16 May - 9:10

jinvta:"Jane places herself firmly next to Kate, whilst Kate places Jane completely across the table."

You learn something new every day with this case....I wasn't aware of this discrepancy between Kate and Jane's account of where Jane was sitting at the table. So here we have a second example of Jane's recollections being entirely different from other's. Kate effectively disputes where Jane sat at the table, also Gerry and Jeremy apparently didn't see Jane walking past them. How very bizarre that Jane should be the common denominator where such significant details differ in different accounts of the same two events.

I've always felt the little slip of the tongue during Jane's Panorama interview was curious to say the least, where she says "Yes, I carried her like this". Seems to me that Jane's role in this story gets murkier by the minute!!

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Post  LJC on Mon 16 May - 22:59


Sorry, have been having a few family problems lately and am struggling to look at this site, so am playing catch up now and have noticed this thread.

I think those who clap and applaud Mr Dai Davies have short memories.

Read here what he wrote back at the beginning:

Police here have given up looking for poor Maddie

By Dai Davies Former Metropolitan Police Detective Superintendent, sundaymirror.co.uk 23/09/2007.

"In my 38 years of police and private security work all over the world I've never known anything like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

To the outsider it has all the ingredients of a classic Agatha Christie-style whodunit - but in reality it's far more complex and heartbreaking, because it involves the disappearance of a little girl.

I spent a week in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing, "walking the shop floor" as I call it, going over the available evidence and unearthing some startling new information about the case. And in what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns' hopes of finding their little daughter, I've discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine's alleged abductor.

There is now NO detective work being carried out by Portuguese police to link anyone other than the McCanns to Maddie's disappearance. Officially, they say they're continuing the search for an abductor. But their policy is now to only respond to sightings reported to them by Europol and Interpol.

The officers leading the investigation are pinning their hopes on the DNA evidence, getting some sort of confession from the McCanns or their friends, or finding Madeleine's body.

They remain convinced of her parents' guilt, apparently unwilling to consider another scenario, even as their "house of cards" case collapses around them. Another fresh revelation that undermines the Portuguese effort is that police also failed to take DNA samples from Madeleine's little brother Sean, two, and his twin sister, Amelie, until their parents were made "arguidos", or suspects, just over two weeks ago. This failure has seriously undermined the whole forensic case against the McCanns. It means early forensic work is flawed and needs to be re-examined. A process that could take months.

Evidence gathered by the Portuguese police against the McCanns which we have learned about in the past couple of weeks depends entirely on forensic tests, including DNA evidence, so-called bodily fluids and hair. Yet I have found that evidence has been fatally flawed through their own incompetence. The apartment was also not sealed off properly, meaning any evidence was contaminated from the outset.

Also, I can now see the McCanns in no way abandoned their kids, as some have suggested. I was amazed at how close their apartment was to the tapas restaurant. After just a few hours it was also possible to dispel some of the slurs that have been levelled at the McCanns. Gerry did not call Sky TV before he called the police, as the Portuguese media has claimed. Police now know this was done by Gerry's sister, Philomena, in Glasgow. But they have allowed that rumour to fester.

The McCanns are also deeply religious, yet the Portuguese police want us to believe they have disposed of their daughter's body at sea or buried it in unconsecrated ground.

The police now need to halt their campaign to pin this awful crime on two innocent people and bring in new officers for a complete overhaul with fresh eyes. It's back to square one.

MY FOUR THEORIES

1. Maddie was snatched by an opportunist paedophile. He only planned to abuse her but panicked, possibly strangled her and took the body. Profile: White male, 20-35, single, lives with mother. Known to police, knew resort.

2. A planned abduction, plotted in UK, in which she was "snatched to order" by a paedophile gang. Profile: British, male or female, 20-40, living alone.

3. Someone holding a grudge against the McCanns. Profile: Impossible to estimate, but likely to be more than one person.

4. Snatched by local childless couple. Profile: Portuguese, 30-45.

I am afraid to say it is most likely Maddie is dead. And I fear the failure of the Portuguese investigation could lead to the shadow of suspicion hanging over the McCanns for years to come.


So, Mr Davies wants a reconstruction. But I think he means a Crimewatch style construction and its been done already.

What the Portuguese wanted at the time was a reconstruction, without actors, of the timeline, to scrutinise the timeline. Is Mr Davies calling for that type of reconstruction? I doubt it.

If this is what Mr Davies thinks then I fear the Scotland Yard probe is likely to be a whitewash.




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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  LJC on Mon 16 May - 23:25

wjk wrote: Please, get Dai Davies on the case!!


WHAT!!!!!!!

No, no, no. That would be crazy.

Mr Dai Davies speaks to Clarrie and is a big supporter of the McCanns. No way could he ever say anything unbiased about this case.

Please read on:

A RETIRED senior detective from North Wales last night publicly backed Gerry and Kate McCann’s battle to clear their names over missing daughter Madeleine.

Dai Davies, a former chief superintendent of the Metropolitan police and ex-head of the Royal protection squad, claims the McCanns are victims of an orchestrated slur campaign.

He told the Daily Post he believes the Portuguese police have abandoned trying to find the four-year-old’s abductor.

Mr Davies, of Llanrug, near Caernarfon, spoke out as a picture taken by a Spanish tourist in Morocco three weeks ago showing a child resembling Madeleine turned out not to be of her.

Reporters descended on the remote hillside village of Zinat in the north of the country after the image of a young girl being carried on a Moroccan woman’s back was flashed around the world as a possible sighting of the four-year-old missing girl. But it quickly emerged the girl in the photograph is believed by villagers to be five-year-old Bushra Binhisa, the daughter of an olive farmer.

Speaking through an interpreter, Bushra’s father, Hamid Binhisa, told him: “Bushra is my little girl.

“She is not Madeleine. I do feel sorry for her parents. I hope they find Madeleine. But Bushra is definitely my daughter.”

Mr Davies, who also worked on the Lucie Blackman case in Japan, the former air hostess who was abducted and murdered, said he was being assisted by ex-detective friends in his investigation.

“We just think it’s time someone was strong on behalf of the McCanns,” he said.

“In my 38 years of police and private security work all over the world I’ve never known anything like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

“I spent a week in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing, ‘walking the shop floor’ as I call it, going over the available evidence and unearthing some startling new information about the case.

“In what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns’ hopes of finding their little daughter, I’ve discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine’s alleged abductor.”

Mr Davies, a former divisional commander in West London, with child protection experience, has “deliberately” not met with the McCanns, but regularly speaks to their new spokesman Clarence Mitchell.Welsh-speaker Mr Davies retired from the Met in 1998 where he had been the Operational Commander in charge of Royal Protection.

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Post  Guest on Mon 16 May - 23:31

Why does he say, "Maddies alleged abductor"?

That would imply (to me, anyway) that he doesn't believe there is one.

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