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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  LJC on Mon 16 May - 23:31

That article is from the North Wales Daily Post by the way.

Beware Mr Dai Davies.

This is more spin from Mr Dai Davies.

Any reconstruction would be in the McCann's favour and that is why Mr Dai Davies calls for a Crimewatch style reconstruction.

This is not helpful.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  LJC on Mon 16 May - 23:34

The Famous Grouse wrote:Why does he say, "Maddies alleged abductor"?

That would imply (to me, anyway) that he doesn't believe there is one.

Its police speak. They always routinely use the word alleged, because that is the correct term unless proven.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  LJC on Mon 16 May - 23:38

Please Famous Grouse,

Can you point out the sentence where he uses the word 'alleged abductor'. I've looked and re-read and cannot see it.

Thanks.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  Guest on Mon 16 May - 23:41

“In what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns’ hopes of finding their little daughter, I’ve discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine’s alleged abductor.”

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  jinvta on Mon 16 May - 23:48

Never heard of Dai Davies until now, but he certainly doesn't sound like someone who has spent 38 yeas in law enforcement. I am sure that I probably read about him ages ago when these articles first came out, but it appears that he is no longer working for the Metropolitan police, so that should be a good thing!

One thing that I do agree with that Mr. Dai Davies states is:

"I am afraid to say it is most likely Maddie is dead."

The McCann's won't be too happy with this conclusion. How he can rule out the possibility of an accident with a staged abduction is beyond belief for someone with his experience. It wasn't the police who contaminated the crime scene, it was the McCanns and their friends.

However, if he wants the McCanns to clear the "shadow of suspicion" hanging over their heads, he should encourage them to voluntarily submit to polygraphs, to answer all police questions that were originally unanswered, and to convince all of their friends to take part in the reconstruction. This is how any innocent person would go about removing suspicion.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  jinvta on Tue 17 May - 5:45

Here is Jane's description of where everybody sat from her rogatory interview:

4078 “Can you picture who was sitting where on the table?”
Reply “Erm, I was sitting next to Kate on one side and I think it was Rachael, I think it was
Rachael the other side. Erm, yeah, I think it was, erm, so it was Kate, me, Rachael
and then I think, erm, I’m trying to think where everybody else was. Erm, I think
Dianne was next to Rachael, here. I really can’t, I can’t really, I can’t picture exactly,
but I know, I know I was next to Kate, that’s in my head, and I think it was Rachael
the other side, the other side of me. And I think Russell might have been the other
side of Kate or Matt was next”.

I don't have a link to the diagram that Kate drew that shows Kate sitting in between Rachael and Fiona, with Jane on the opposite side of the table. Anybody have that diagram?

Very strange that Jane does not even know for sure where her own partner was sitting. Seems a bit ridiculous.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  HiDeHo on Tue 17 May - 6:20

They could probably handle creating a reconstructed timeline...A little bit of practice and allowance for memory loss after 4 years....no problem.

What they won't want to see happen is the other guests that were dining that night...particularly the Irwins who were booked at the same time as them.

Stephen Carpenter's early statement is not available neither is that of Carolyn Carpenter (referred to in the files but not listed)

The Irwins and the Sperreys were no doubt approached and probably gave a statement also.

Would the T9 reconstruction stand up to the memories of the other guests...

and the waiters....

and Jez wilkins who may have met Gerry at a different time...

Then there is the Smith sighting....not something that I personally believe in (Gerry walking through the streets with his dead daughter in his arms)..but a lot of people do...and they may be right.

I still get a chuckle about RM.

He was eager to be included in the reconstruction....sat in the kitchen with his mother!

That is the question.....

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  dazedandconfused on Tue 17 May - 6:57

I don't think there's the slightest chance that there will ever be a "proper" reconstruction.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  jeanie on Tue 17 May - 7:58

deleted..would confuse the thread

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  marxman on Tue 17 May - 8:38


Extract from MO

It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: ***** and ***) Russell and Jane (children **** and ****) Rachael (daughter ******) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

Gerry stated on the Late Late Show on RTE that he knew the Paynes a long time but the others, about 6 Months!
He further describes MO and R O'B as more of friends of DP. I think this is important.


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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  mumbles on Tue 17 May - 8:45

marxman wrote:
Extract from MO

It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: ***** and ***) Russell and Jane (children **** and ****) Rachael (daughter ******) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

Gerry stated on the Late Late Show on RTE that he knew the Paynes a long time but the others, about 6 Months!
He further describes MO and R O'B as more of friends of DP. I think this is important.


Are you sure he said that?
I heard him say that he had worked with both of them for about 6 months... not that he had only known them for that amount of time.
I need to go and listen to the interview again but don't have time right now.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  marxman on Tue 17 May - 8:54

mumbles wrote:
marxman wrote:
Extract from MO

It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: ***** and ***) Russell and Jane (children **** and ****) Rachael (daughter ******) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

Gerry stated on the Late Late Show on RTE that he knew the Paynes a long time but the others, about 6 Months!
He further describes MO and R O'B as more of friends of DP. I think this is important.


Are you sure he said that?
I heard him say that he had worked with both of them for about 6 months... not that he had only known them for that amount of time.
I need to go and listen to the interview again but don't have time right now.

He said that he had worked with them and knew them about 6 months. I shall watch again and note his exact words.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  marxman on Tue 17 May - 10:10

I watched the RTE interview again and scribbled down the description that Gerry provides for the group of 'friends' who went on holiday. The holiday was booked on New Years Day 07 by their 'very good friends' Fiona and Dave.
Gerry...." Fiona and Dave were going with friends of theirs that we knew aswell".
Interviewer. " Who did you go with Kate?"
Gerry answers... "Apart from Dave and Fiona we went with Matt and Rachel, Matt is another doctor which I had worked with in the hospital for 6 months, another couple Russel and Jane, I happened to have worked with Russel for 6 months, we all knew each other but Matt and Russel would be more friends with Dave and Fiona"

After reading MO's statement, I find this very interesting. Why did Gerry not say he knew MO 5 years as is according to MO??
Is seems to me that they really didn't know most of their friends, so why would they bond together as a pact?
why let strangers check your kids?



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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  LJC on Tue 17 May - 14:08

The Famous Grouse wrote:“In what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns’ hopes of finding their little daughter, I’ve discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine’s alleged abductor.”

Thank you Grouse. I couldn't see this last night at all no matter how many times I read it. However, I still think its normal for coppers and ex coppers to use the word alleged, no matter how much they strongly suspect someone. Its a matter of course for them to use the word alleged and probably does not reflect what he really thinks.

Here is a profile of Mr Dai Davies for everyone's information:

Dai Davies is one of the world’s foremost experts in Security and Investigation, a Former Head of Royal Protection and Chief Superintendent (Divisional Commander) Metropolitan Police Service.

He had a long and distinguished career with the UK’s Metropolitan Police Service, culminating with his appointment in 1995 as Operational Unit Commander in charge of Royal Protection for HM The Queen and the Royal Family. He was responsible for Palace and Personal Protection throughout the United Kingdom and worldwide. He inherited a command size of 450 personnel and a total resource budget of £26 million.

Dai was responsible for the successful amalgamation of two former protection divisions and the Special Escort Group into one unified command in April 1995. He reviewed and implemented new procedures on intelligence, selection, training, crisis management and the introduction of business planning and financial controls and savings.

Earlier in his police career, Dai Davies was responsible for or was directly involved with command and planning for the prevention of terrorism, public disorder, violence, gang disorder, alcohol abuse, fraud and other organized crime. He was also an expert in the control and use of firearms and was himself a firearms officer and advanced police driver.

As an expert in Security and Investigation, he holds senior appointments and advisory roles with Oracle plc, BMW AG, Kingfell plc, Selectamark and with a number of high-net-worth individuals and families. He works on international murder, kidnap and missing persons investigations; and provides both strategic advice and operational support on intelligence, security, protection, threat and risk assessment. His international experience includes incidents and investigations in the UK, the US, Mexico, Jamaica, Barbados, South Africa, Russia, Kuwait, Dubai, Australia, Japan, Macau and Hong Kong.

He is an acknowledged media expert on security and crime issues and appears regularly on the BBC, ITV and in the national newspapers. He is also a regular conference and after-dinner speaker.

Dai is Patron of Kidscape, the national children’s protection charity.


Reads to me like this gentleman was primarily a uniformed copper in charge of command and planning, so security is his area of expertise rather than detection and it does not sound as though he was a CID detective. His main detection work is to do with fraud by the looks of this, so perhaps a glimmer of light there.

Interesting to note now that he works on international murder, kidnap and missing persons investigations. Where did he gain the necessary experience to work in this field?

I cannot help but ponder whether he has more than a passing interest in this case and would love to know whether his trip to PDL was voluntary and whether his articles in newspapers are voluntary. Somehow I cannot imagine he has not been paid for his time.

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  LJC on Tue 17 May - 15:02

The former British cops that helped to destroy the reputation of Portuguese Police

Paulo Reis & Duarte Levy

Since Madeleine disappeared, at least five former British policemen – three of them, high ranking officers - played an important role in the regular bashing or Portuguese police, through the British Media. By coincidence, some of them work for or have connections with TV channels or consultancy companies specialized in handling media cases.

One the most violent critics of Portuguese Police, former CID detective Mark Williams-Thomas, is also the owner and managing-director of WT Associates, a company that offers, among many other services, media handling and advice for high profile cases and “design or review organisations media crisis policy”. Since the first week, when Martin Brunt took him to Praia da Luz, he criticised the inept and incompetent Portuguese police. After we filled a complaint with Ofcom and emailed Sky News editor, asking him if the TV channel knew about the business connections of the crime expert that has been a regular voice against Portuguese Police in Sky News, Mr. Mark Williams disappeared from the screen.

But other former policemen, including at least three ex-Scotland Yard commanders, played an important role in building up of the idea that Portuguese Police arrived hours after they were called, didn't sealed off the apartment, didn't take fingerprints, didn't questioned other guest of the resort, and wasn't able to get disposable clothing to their forensic experts – they used the same clothing in different crime scenes or just used no protective clothing at all.

Portugal, safe place for paedophiles
Mike Hames, the ex-commander who set up Scotland Yard's paedophilia unit, author of ‘The Dirty Squad’ and also a media consultant on child abuse, paedophilia, murder and high profile abduction cases, was Martin Brunt's choice to replace Mark Williams-Thomas, when the Sky News Crime Correspondent made a special report about Madeleine's case, last Sunday. But as early as five days after Madeleine disappeared, The Sun found that Portugal was a safe place for paedophiles: “But a Sun investigation has revealed the Med hot-spot does have a history of child sex offences — many by Brit perverts who fled there, believing they’d be more free to carry out their vile activities.”
Mr Mike Hames was quoted, in the same story, as saying that “Portuguese police should have circulated the sketch they have of a suspect” and he “feared the worst” for Madeleine’s safety, criticising the fact that Portuguese Police didn't made public a sketch of any suspect: “If you have a sketch by a witness, it should be shared with the public. Nine times out of ten it is the public who can solve this. I don’t see the logic of this. It seems to me to be a bit of shambles”.

The most senior of those ex-cops was also the author of an opinion column, on the Mirror, with the a violent attack against the Portuguese Police. Dai Davies, a senior associate of Kingfell Global Crisis, Director and Lead Consultant of Selectamark Consultancy, was responsible for the security of the Royal family and palaces, leading a force of 450 police officers, with an annual budget of £26 million for more than 15 years.
The McCann, innocent people
On a opinion column published on the Mirror, on September 23 (“Police here have given up looking for poor Maddie”), Mr. Dai Davies wrote: “I spent a week in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing, "walking the shop floor" as I call it, going over the available evidence and unearthing some startling new information about the case. And in what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns' hopes of finding their little daughter, I've discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine's alleged abductor.”
Showing that he is a strong believer in the innocence of the McCann, Mr. Dai Davies left an advise to PJ detectives: “The police now need to halt their campaign to pin this awful crime on two innocent people and bring in new officers for a complete overhaul with fresh eyes.”
“Mr Davies, a former divisional commander in West London, with child protection experience, has “deliberately” not met with the McCanns”, while at Praia da Luz, according to the Daily Post, “but regularly speaks to their new spokesman Clarence Mitchell.

Flying Squad “reporter”
Ex-Flying Squad Commander John O’Connor is a former British Policeman that came to Praia da Luz to report for several TV Channels. On September 17, the web page of Crimesharetv has the following message: “CSTV is proud to report that the Commander has been to Portugal investigating Madeleine's disappearance and you can catch his daily media reports on GMTV, Sky News and the BBC.” John O'Connor was a policeman for 30 years and he ran “the Flying Squad at New Scotland Yard dealing with all armed robberies in London until retiring with the rank of Commander”, according to Crimesharetv. The page has a link to an interview of John O'Connor with Sky News.
Mr O'Connor gave an interview, on May 17, to The Resident, an English newspaper that introduced him as “a former Scotland Yard commander who is working with the Portuguese authorities investigating Madeleine’s disappearance”. Mr. John O’Connor praised the quality of Portuguese detectives, but stated that “looking in remote places is ineffective.” “Despite this, O’Connor spoke of the high quality detective work in Portugal and believes that they will solve this case. He spoke of the competency and professionalism of the Portuguese police, dismissing any accusations they have faced.”
Later, in the Sky News interview, he told more or less the same: Portuguese cops are nice guys, but they are looking in the wrong places...

Desmond Thomas, former deputy head of Hampshire CID, came forward, around the middle of September, when his expertise was needed. “So far no evidence has emerged in public to suggest that the missing four-year-old is even dead, he told the Daily Star and other British Media. “I think the Portuguese police are struggling. From what we know thus far, if I was bringing the charges I would be nervous about it being successful. In the McCann case, police have no body and no weapon – so it is going to be very difficult.”

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I think the last paragraph ref Desmond Thomas just about sums things up whichever side of the fence you sit on.

No body, no weapon = unsafe conviction.

This is what the McCanns are relying on imo. It may be what an abductor, if there is one, is relying on too.

Therefore, no one will ever be charged unless a body or weapon ever turns up.

Weapon - I hadn't thought of that either, unless drugs constitute a weapon.



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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  weary on Tue 17 May - 15:05

Would SY have the power to demand that the McCanns and their buddies get their butts over there and do a reconstruction? The PJ had their hands tied, and the McCanns were working with extradition lawyers who would have tried to prevent them from having to go.

I'm assuming this is the case in the UK; in the US, when people get a subpoena, they don't have a choice about disobeying. If they don't do what the authorities say, the police come after them. "I'm sorry, but I'm awfully busy just now" doesn't work. "I'm just too frail and it would upset me" doesn't, either. Otherwise everyone the police want to see would say "I'm just too busy--come back in a year or two" or "I'm just too sick / frail." And "I'm too frail" doesn't wash if you've been seen out and about, doing news conferences, traveling to Ireland, doing the shopping, and so on. A trip to Portugal isn't going to kill Kate McCann--heck, she's going next week. Sick with nerves at the prospect of a reconstruction? So are most suspects, so too bad.

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as above

Post  halfamo on Tue 17 May - 15:22

AnnaEsse wrote:

Matthew Oldfield's statement: 4/05/2007

The interview begins at 11.30am on 04/05/08. It is made in the presence of inspector Patricia D.
As with previous statements, the interviewee having no command of the Portuguese language, an interpreter was requested.

It is Angela F.M. and as with all previous statements, the interview was read over and its contents explained. After having shown his agreement with his statements, the interviewee confirmed and signed as accurate, the deed that followed, conjointly with the, "sworn," interpreter. This was normal procedure since the start of the interviews.

In signing, the interpreter commits herself legally concerning the accuracy of her translation.

On the subject, the interviewee says:

It is of his own free will and of his own accord that he adds his statements in the context of the present proceedings. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007 and that he is staying at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. That he expects to return to England on Saturday May 5th 2007. That he has known Madeleine's parents for around five years. That the little girl will be 4 years old next Saturday. That he was spending his holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That they had come as a group and that this group is composed of 9 adults and eight children. The adults are Diane, David and Fiona (children: ***** and ***) Russell and Jane (children **** and ****) Rachael (daughter ******) respectively the wife and the daughter of the interviewee, Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean - twins aged two - and Madeleine)

Ithought the 9.05 check was Gerry's so MO was checking at the same time , how come they did'nt bump i9n to each other.
That the idea of spending the holiday in Portugal came from the couple David and Fiona and that it is they who reserved the accommodation. That this reservation was made 4 or 5 months ago. That since they arrived in Portugal, until last night, the days were all the same. In the morning, the group woke between 6.30 and 8am and that they all went on foot to the, "Millennium," around 10 minutes from the complex. That only Madeleine's parents, Madeleine and the twins had breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three very small children.

That after breakfast, the children were left at the "Kids Club" of the complex. Madeleine and **** go to the mini-club for their age and the other children go to another club for younger children. At lunchtime, the habit was to meet up in one of the apartments occupied by the group to have lunch there with the children. In the afternoon, the children have a sleep in their respective apartments under the supervision of an adult. The other adults do sporting activities within the complex. After their afternoon sleep, the children return to the "Kids Club."

That around 4.45pm, the children eat at the "Tapas," restaurant inside the tourist complex. After eating, the children went to play in a playground in the complex, supervised by adults. At around 8pm, the children went to sleep and at around 8.30pm, the adults went to dinner at the "Tapas" restaurant. While they were eating, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments without the constant supervision of an adult. The interviewee adds that, as the restaurant is around 1 minute from the apartments, randomly, an adult would be going frequently to check on the children in the apartments.

The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them. The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm.

That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine. That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half-open. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee does not know if Gerry met anyone while he was checking the children. He did not mention it.

That during the meal, it was usual that every 15 minutes (as on all nights) one of the adults went to the apartments to check if the children were sleeping. That normally this checking was done inside the apartments (Visual checking), but that, to be honest, sometimes this checking was only done from the outside, near the bedroom windows (Auditory checking)

As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the fourth apartment that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was half-open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light in question was from an artificial source but not inside the bedroom, rather from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

The apartment has two bedrooms, a lounge, a small kitchen and a bathroom. The couple's bedroom has a window which is visible from the restaurant. The children's bedroom windows look out on the road outside the tourist complex. Then the interviewee went back to the restaurant.

He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked because that door is visible from the restaurant.

At around 10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. At that time all the adults were in the restaurant. Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only, one window in the children's bedroom was open. The window and the shutters were open.

That during the holiday, and notably during the day yesterday and during dinner, nothing appeared unusual to the interviewee. That there wasn't the slightest change in the behaviour of any of the group, notably in that of Kate or Gerry and their respective children.

Question: And outside the group?

No, there was nothing unusual and he knows of nothing special happening. That the tourist complex was quiet and that nothing unusual happened there. That during the day the children were under the supervision of the Kids Club's staff. That he doesn't know if Madeleine was suffering from any illness or if she was taking medication. That Madeleine is very lively, obedient, communicative and extrovert. Madeleine's parents are both very friendly, communicative, happy and sensible. That the couple have an excellent relationship with their children, not making any difference in the treatment of each. That the three children were very much wanted by the couple, all three being the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation.

The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because these are people who are very comfortable financially.

Enfants Kidnappés: 25/08/08

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I thought 9.05 was Gerry's check here MO says he was checking at 9. 05.?


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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  Autumn on Tue 17 May - 17:16

wjk wrote: Please, get Dai Davies on the case!!

No way!!!!!!!!! This is what Dai Davies had to say in Sep 2007


By Dai Davies Former Met Police Detective Superintendent - Sunday Mirror 23.09.2007

EXCLUSIVE THE SEARCH FOR MADELEINE DAY 143
In my 38 years of police and private security work all over the world I've never known anything like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
To the outsider it has all the ingredients of a classic Agatha Christie-style whodunit - but in reality it's far more complex and heartbreaking, because it involves the disappearance of a little girl.
I spent a week in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing, "walking the shop floor" as I call it, going over the available evidence and unearthing some startling new information about the case. And in what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns' hopes of finding their little daughter, I've discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine's alleged abductor.
There is now NO detective work being carried out by Portuguese police to link anyone other than the McCanns to Maddie's disappearance. Officially, they say they're continuing the search for an abductor. But their policy is now to only respond to sightings reported to them by Europol and Interpol.
The officers leading the investigation are pinning their hopes on the DNA evidence, getting some sort of confession from the McCanns or their friends, or finding Madeleine's body.
They remain convinced of her parents' guilt, apparently unwilling to consider another scenario, even as their "house of cards" case collapses around them. Another fresh revelation that undermines the Portuguese effort is that police also failed to take DNA samples from Madeleine's little brother Sean, two, and his twin sister, Amelie, until their parents were made "arguidos", or suspects, just over two weeks ago. This failure has seriously undermined the whole forensic case against the McCanns. It means early forensic work is flawed and needs to be re-examined. A process that could take months.
Evidence gathered by the Portuguese police against the McCanns which we have learned about in the past couple of weeks depends entirely on forensic tests, including DNA evidence, so-called bodily fluids and hair. Yet I have found that evidence has been fatally flawed through their own incompetence. The apartment was also not sealed off properly, meaning any evidence was contaminated from the outset.
Also, I can now see the McCanns in no way abandoned their kids, as some have suggested. I was amazed at how close their apartment was to the tapas restaurant. After just a few hours it was also possible to dispel some of the slurs that have been levelled at the McCanns. Gerry did not call Sky TV before he called the police, as the Portuguese media has claimed. Police now know this was done by Gerry's sister, Philomena, in Glasgow. But they have allowed that rumour to fester.
The McCanns are also deeply religious, yet the Portuguese police want us to believe they have disposed of their daughter's body at sea or buried it in unconsecrated ground.
The police now need to halt their campaign to pin this awful crime on two innocent people and bring in new officers for a complete overhaul with fresh eyes. It's back to square one.
MY FOUR THEORIES
1. Maddie was snatched by an opportunist paedophile. He only planned to abuse her but panicked, possibly strangled her and took the body. Profile: White male, 20-35, single, lives with mother. Known to police, knew resort.
2. A planned abduction, plotted in UK, in which she was "snatched to order" by a paedophile gang. Profile: British, male or female, 20-40, living alone.
3. Someone holding a grudge against the McCanns. Profile: Impossible to estimate, but likely to be more than one person.
4. Snatched by local childless couple. Profile: Portuguese, 30-45.
I am afraid to say it is most likely Maddie is dead. And I fear the failure of the Portuguese investigation could lead to the shadow of suspicion hanging over the McCanns for years to come.

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The police now need to halt their campaign to pin this awful crime on two innocent people and bring in new officers for a complete overhaul with fresh eyes. It's back to square one.


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Post  T4two on Tue 17 May - 17:21

Well sourced Autumn - yep! Afraid it's daft Dai coming out of the woodwork again. But hey! Who's interested in the rubbish he came out with before?

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Post  victor mendez on Tue 17 May - 18:07

It wasn't Philomena who called Sky news, it was one of the tapas crew who knew a producer or somebody. Maybe Philo called as well. Never heard of the family of any other missing child calling Sky News, within a couple of hours of going missing. Stop press: toddler missing for two hours. Within hours it was an international incident. What if she had been found hiding nearby?

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Post  wjk on Tue 17 May - 18:10

Autumn wrote:
wjk wrote: Please, get Dai Davies on the case!!

No way!!!!!!!!! This is what Dai Davies had to say in Sep 2007


By Dai Davies Former Met Police Detective Superintendent - Sunday Mirror 23.09.2007

EXCLUSIVE THE SEARCH FOR MADELEINE DAY 143
In my 38 years of police and private security work all over the world I've never known anything like the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
To the outsider it has all the ingredients of a classic Agatha Christie-style whodunit - but in reality it's far more complex and heartbreaking, because it involves the disappearance of a little girl.
I spent a week in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing, "walking the shop floor" as I call it, going over the available evidence and unearthing some startling new information about the case. And in what will surely be another hammer-blow to the McCanns' hopes of finding their little daughter, I've discovered from lengthy talks with my barrister contact that Portuguese investigators have unofficially abandoned the hunt for Madeleine's alleged abductor.
There is now NO detective work being carried out by Portuguese police to link anyone other than the McCanns to Maddie's disappearance. Officially, they say they're continuing the search for an abductor. But their policy is now to only respond to sightings reported to them by Europol and Interpol.
The officers leading the investigation are pinning their hopes on the DNA evidence, getting some sort of confession from the McCanns or their friends, or finding Madeleine's body.
They remain convinced of her parents' guilt, apparently unwilling to consider another scenario, even as their "house of cards" case collapses around them. Another fresh revelation that undermines the Portuguese effort is that police also failed to take DNA samples from Madeleine's little brother Sean, two, and his twin sister, Amelie, until their parents were made "arguidos", or suspects, just over two weeks ago. This failure has seriously undermined the whole forensic case against the McCanns. It means early forensic work is flawed and needs to be re-examined. A process that could take months.
Evidence gathered by the Portuguese police against the McCanns which we have learned about in the past couple of weeks depends entirely on forensic tests, including DNA evidence, so-called bodily fluids and hair. Yet I have found that evidence has been fatally flawed through their own incompetence. The apartment was also not sealed off properly, meaning any evidence was contaminated from the outset.
Also, I can now see the McCanns in no way abandoned their kids, as some have suggested. I was amazed at how close their apartment was to the tapas restaurant. After just a few hours it was also possible to dispel some of the slurs that have been levelled at the McCanns. Gerry did not call Sky TV before he called the police, as the Portuguese media has claimed. Police now know this was done by Gerry's sister, Philomena, in Glasgow. But they have allowed that rumour to fester.
The McCanns are also deeply religious, yet the Portuguese police want us to believe they have disposed of their daughter's body at sea or buried it in unconsecrated ground.
The police now need to halt their campaign to pin this awful crime on two innocent people and bring in new officers for a complete overhaul with fresh eyes. It's back to square one.
MY FOUR THEORIES
1. Maddie was snatched by an opportunist paedophile. He only planned to abuse her but panicked, possibly strangled her and took the body. Profile: White male, 20-35, single, lives with mother. Known to police, knew resort.
2. A planned abduction, plotted in UK, in which she was "snatched to order" by a paedophile gang. Profile: British, male or female, 20-40, living alone.
3. Someone holding a grudge against the McCanns. Profile: Impossible to estimate, but likely to be more than one person.
4. Snatched by local childless couple. Profile: Portuguese, 30-45.
I am afraid to say it is most likely Maddie is dead. And I fear the failure of the Portuguese investigation could lead to the shadow of suspicion hanging over the McCanns for years to come.

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The police now need to halt their campaign to pin this awful crime on two innocent people and bring in new officers for a complete overhaul with fresh eyes. It's back to square one.

Oh no! Scrap that!
Thanks Autumn

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Re: British former inspector calls for a reconstruction

Post  fred on Tue 17 May - 18:38

1. Maddie was snatched by an opportunist paedophile. He only planned to abuse her but panicked, possibly strangled her and took the body. Profile: White male, 20-35, single, lives with mother. Known to police, knew resort

Robert Murat? He, as I have said on numeous occassions was the perfect patsy. Pity the Portuguese police refused to play the game isn't it? Naughty PJ wanted the truth, not some set up, so it all backfired.

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Post  jeanie on Tue 17 May - 18:59

just wondering if the review will include chats with brian kennedy...just why he visited r murat

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Post  mummy45 on Tue 17 May - 19:01

They will never do a reconstruction. They will drop the case against Amaral and withdraw their request for a review citing grief as the reason they took it so far when deep down tehy know she is gone but just couldn't accept it. Too much to lose now

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Post  pennylane on Tue 17 May - 19:04

mummy45 wrote:They will never do a reconstruction. They will drop the case against Amaral and withdraw their request for a review citing grief as the reason they took it so far when deep down tehy know she is gone but just couldn't accept it. Too much to lose now

I agree mummy!


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