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Post  Panda on Fri 1 Jul - 6:58




Work Sec: 'Give Brits Jobs, Not Migrants'
Comments5:45am UK, Friday July 01, 2011

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith has issued a plea to businesses to take on jobless British youths - rather than migrant workers.




More than half the new jobs created in the UK over the last year went to foreign nationals, he said.

He said that "painfully high" unemployment was being tackled by the Government's welfare reform and training, as well as efforts to get immigration under control so British workers do not face so much competition for jobs from migrants.

However, Mr Duncan Smith added that businesses should also do their bit, by opting to give jobs to unemployed Britons rather than recruiting labour from abroad.

His comments, in a speech in Madrid to the Spanish Foundation for Analysis and Social Studies thinktank (FAES), appear to echo former prime minister Gordon Brown's promise of "British jobs for British workers".

Mr Brown's 2007 pledge was widely criticised - not least by Conservatives - when it emerged that around 80% of the jobs created during Labour's time in power went to migrants.

But official figures unearthed by Labour MP Frank Field show that 87% of the 400,000 jobs created over the first year of the coalition went to workers from abroad.


Good immigration is managed immigration. It should not be an excuse to import labour to take up posts which could be filled by people already in Britain.

Iain Duncan Smith
According to released extracts, Mr Duncan Smith will say: "We have to ensure that our immigration system works in the interests of Britain, enabling us to make a realistic promise to our young school-leavers.

"It is part of our contract with the British people.

"This Government is reforming welfare to make work pay, and to help people back to work. And we are toughening sanctions against those who refuse to take jobs when they are available.

"But we also need an immigration system that gives the unemployed a level playing field.

"If we do not get this right then we risk leaving more British citizens out of work, and the most vulnerable group who will be the most affected are young people."

Controlling immigration was "critical" to avoid "losing another generation to dependency and hopelessness", Mr Duncan Smith will say.

"But Government cannot do it all. As we work hard to break welfare dependency and get young people ready for the labour market, we need businesses to give them a chance, and not just fall back on labour from abroad.

"If Government and business pull together on this, I believe we can finally start to give our young people a chance.

He will add: "Good immigration is managed immigration," Mr Duncan Smith said. "It should not be an excuse to import labour to take up posts which could be filled by people already in Britain."

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Post  halfamo on Fri 1 Jul - 12:28

And thats the way it should be jobs for British people not for every waif and stray that wanders through customs.

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Post  Keela on Fri 1 Jul - 13:38

I agree, British jobs for British people. The problem comes when the British unemployed won't take the jobs because it would mean getting less than they currently receive on the unemployment register. The migrants will work for the minimum wage ( sometimes less as it is still more than they could get in their own country). Try getting a Brit to give up his 60 pounds per week where he only has to get out of bed in time to sign on and actually work for less than that, getting up intime to be at work for 8am and working through until 6pm. There are families in the Uk where whole generations have never worked and that is not because the jobs aren't there but they would rather not. The benefit system is too attractive by far.

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Post  halfamo on Fri 1 Jul - 14:39

Keela wrote:I agree, British jobs for British people. The problem comes when the British unemployed won't take the jobs because it would mean getting less than they currently receive on the unemployment register. The migrants will work for the minimum wage ( sometimes less as it is still more than they could get in their own country). Try getting a Brit to give up his 60 pounds per week where he only has to get out of bed in time to sign on and actually work for less than that, getting up intime to be at work for 8am and working through until 6pm. There are families in the Uk where whole generations have never worked and that is not because the jobs aren't there but they would rather not. The benefit system is too attractive by far.

I,ve got to agree this is the set back its the same here in Germany where guest workers such as poles and turks will work for less than Germans , this is why the benefit system needs to be made less lucrative successive goverments have promised this but not have produced.


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Post  Panda on Fri 1 Jul - 16:25



I live in an Area where there is a high immigration rate and the borders MUST be strictly Patrolled. I am not racist but the latest example, a waste site
was recently developed into Flats and Houses. My Sister annd I were walking past and a few of the Houses had Attic Windows. There were a couple of
Builders around and I asked about the Attic Windows, he said they were 5 Bedroomed and when I suggested most Families have two or three children
now, he smiled and said, guess who will be occupying them........he was right, all immigrants, from Middle East Countries.

The days are gone when Manufacturers took on Apprentices , but the Government must introduce Training Schools on a big scale for schoolleavers to learn a Trade, withdraw their unemployment benefit if they fail to attend.

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Post  malena stool on Fri 1 Jul - 20:53

It's just a shame that government has woken up to the problem too late.

Thatcher sealed the fate of the nation when destroying the mining industry although militant unions were perhaps their own worst enemy. Blair and brown could have reversed many of the decisions which Thatcherism imposed but saw fit to continue with her mantra. Greedy profiteering employers have contributed to the destruction of the enormous skill pool this nation possessed and the industrial basis built over centuries of innovative expansion.

These tunnel visioned penny pinchers and politicians have, by importing cheap foreign labour and selling off or sending our huge manufacturing industries overseas, forced our young skilled workers made redundant by industrial closures to move abroad taking their skills with them or condemned them to work in a service industry culture, in effect squandering their talents.

The cradle of the industrial revolution, law making, democratic government, free health care for all and innovative skills has been turned into a refuge for the dross and failures of the world....

All in the name of fiscal prudence and profit, so it's not all bad then Cameron..

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Post  Lioned on Fri 1 Jul - 21:18

I think it was ted heath who sealed our fate good and proper when he took this once great nation into the common market.

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Post  malena stool on Fri 1 Jul - 21:36

Lioned wrote:I think it was ted heath who sealed our fate good and proper when he took this once great nation into the common market.
Yes Lioned, I'd completely forgotten sailor boy Heath and his sucking up to and selling out this country to Europe, ........ It would be interesting to have a re-count of the votes for our ECC entry. I don't know anyone who voted for it...I know I didn't.

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Post  Panda on Fri 1 Jul - 21:55


We thought we were joining a Common Market not being taken over by a EC which dictates everything we can and can"t do. Remember the infamous
"straight bananas" we were supposed to sell. Two Market Traders fought long and hard over this issue in the European Court and finally got the order
rescinded, sadly one of the Traders had died before the verdict was reached,

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Post  Lioned on Fri 1 Jul - 21:59

I have no problem whatsoever with our multi cultural society.

Any thoughts that the common market would benefit all were always fatally flawed.The politicians,captains of industry trade union leaders and all of that ilk loved it as it gave them all a whole new vista of jolly boys outings and mutual exchanges.

A habitat and an economy can only sustain a finite number,a number which will usually find its own level quite quickly.After that if you put too many in or take too much out you will create resentment,poverty,and death.

Thanks to the tories the mines where closed and families became dependent on benefits.Manufacturing industries were destroyed and families became dependent on benefits.Immigration ran out of control,employers took on cheap foreign labour and 'British' families became dependent on benefits.Fat lazy British people saw what was happening and decided it was a good life living on benefits and whole 'sink' estates were born and the labour party enjoyed the votes.

Thanks so much heath thatcher bliar and brown (and a few inbetween who didnt have much chance to make things better even if they tried).

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Post  Panda on Fri 1 Jul - 22:15



Lioned, I gather yiou don"t live in a multicultural neighbourhood, but although I am not racist, the indigenous population feel threatened because they
are in the minority and unfortunately the immigrants do not try to integrate or speak English. Have all the Benefits including Housing and there is a
growing resentment because they havn"t contributed any Taxes and keep themselves to themselves. The NHS couldn"t do without them though.

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Post  Lioned on Fri 1 Jul - 22:40

Well i have three Indian restaurants one Chinease restaurant another Chinease takeaway an Italian Pizza house,two 'English cafes, a Turkish Kebab house,three 'Off Licences' run by Pakistanis,two garages run by 'Asian' of unknown origin,and several shops of a various mixture all just around the corner from where i live,so if we dont fancy cooking life is very easy for us within a very short walk.
In the last two or three years several blocks of 'back land' just down the road from us have been sold for 'low cost community housing',but not for our community,its being developed by Lewisham council for their 'overspill'.
Got to say i dont really have a problem with any of that but it is starting to get a bit crowded.30 years ago we moved into this little 'Kentish' village.Changed a bit now.

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Post  Panda on Fri 1 Jul - 22:58

Lioned wrote:Well i have three Indian restaurants one Chinease restaurant another Chinease takeaway an Italian Pizza house,two 'English cafes, a Turkish Kebab house,three 'Off Licences' run by Pakistanis,two garages run by 'Asian' of unknown origin,and several shops of a various mixture all just around the corner from where i live,so if we dont fancy cooking life is very easy for us within a very short walk.
In the last two or three years several blocks of 'back land' just down the road from us have been sold for 'low cost community housing',but not for our community,its being developed by Lewisham council for their 'overspill'.
Got to say i dont really have a problem with any of that but it is starting to get a bit crowded.30 years ago we moved into this little 'Kentish' village.Changed a bit now.

I lived away from my birthplace for 29 yrs in all, came back to my roots but areas which we would have described as "middle Class" have changed beyond recognition, like you, lots of restaurants but many immigrants living in overcrowed Houses. One of the Ladies in my Skittles team said there are 14 living
in the House next door to her. Also, not far from me was one of the Houses the Police recently raid in other Cities finding the occupants making bombs.

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Post  kitti on Sat 2 Jul - 11:12

The blame lies totally with the government.



You can't blame the immigrants for taking advantage off a situation and you can't blame the employers for employing them for mere five quid an hour, they are just about holding the heads above water so have no choice.


Then again, when you have a house to run and a family how the hell can you survive on a minimum wage, the employers treat you like shit and if you don't like it they say....theirs the door.....because they know they have plenty off other suckers waiting in line for your job and usually it's a foreigner who will work for a pittance and work 14 hours a day for it.


My ex works for a construction company when he goes on site they are all foreigners working their, why, because it is cheaper to import them and put them up 10 to a flat than employing British people.


Look At the Olympic site, visit it, All foreigners working their and YET they said it would be work for people living in and around the site....lies.


Where I live I am surrounded by car valeters who ONLY employ foreign people, you go Into a supermarket and your pounced on them...annoying, you go I to the supermarket and their standing outside with their buckets. And...you go to a boot sale and their harassing you, non stop, and as for having a stall their, forget it, you need eyes in the back off your head!

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Post  kitti on Sat 2 Jul - 11:20

The women I work with has three jobs .



She live with her husband, who has a job...2 sons ....who haven't a job...a daughter, who's hasn't a job and her boyfriend...yes....hasn't a job.


The husband got made redundant, you can forgive that but the rest are lazy.


What made my day.......one off them has had his benefit stopped .....he's been on it too long...



That is the new rule now.... Unfortunately it don't Apply go the immigrants, they seem to get it for the duration.



Go to kings college hospital, it's a teaching hospital and go Into the DENTAL department......they come over from all over Europe on a holiday and go their to get free dental care....appalling...I've seen them their....I've heard them talk in broken English....their laughing their heads off

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 2 Jul - 11:57

Keela wrote:I agree, British jobs for British people. The problem comes when the British unemployed won't take the jobs because it would mean getting less than they currently receive on the unemployment register. The migrants will work for the minimum wage ( sometimes less as it is still more than they could get in their own country). Try getting a Brit to give up his 60 pounds per week where he only has to get out of bed in time to sign on and actually work for less than that, getting up intime to be at work for 8am and working through until 6pm. There are families in the Uk where whole generations have never worked and that is not because the jobs aren't there but they would rather not. The benefit system is too attractive by far.

The benefit system is very attractive to migrants. In Pakistan, for example, a woman left on her own with children, or a family with no bread-winner, would be dependent on relatives or would be destitute. Not so in the UK. Our benefit system makes it quite easy for people to say, work a market stall and claim benefits, work in "uncle's," shop or sweat shop and claim benefits.

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Post  Panda on Sat 2 Jul - 12:11



Britain is an open door for Benefit cheats, not so long a go in a T.V. Diocumentary one Guy was boasting he was claiming for two non existant children.!!!

Maybe this Financial crisis will been more stringent Rules, ie , you can"t stay in the U.K. if you havn"t got a job to come to, and get married just to stay
here.Plug all the loopholes, train schoolleavers so they have a Trade and round up all the Benefit Frauds.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 2 Jul - 12:24

Panda wrote:

Britain is an open door for Benefit cheats, not so long a go in a T.V. Diocumentary one Guy was boasting he was claiming for two non existant children.!!!

Maybe this Financial crisis will been more stringent Rules, ie , you can"t stay in the U.K. if you havn"t got a job to come to, and get married just to stay
here.Plug all the loopholes, train schoolleavers so they have a Trade and round up all the Benefit Frauds.

When I lived in Manchester, the man next door worked at "Uncle's," factory, which produced clothing for market traders. They produced copies of garments from M&S and other chain stores, sewed in labels and cut them to make it appear that the items were from the big stores but just had names removed. Some of the workers at the factory were "on the books," and they were paid a higher hourly rate than the workers who were "off the books," who were allowed time off to sign on. My neighbour claimed for a wife (who worked at home for "Uncle,") and three children and he had his mortgage paid and other benefits.


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Post  Panda on Sat 2 Jul - 12:34



Don"t you think it"s sad AnnaEsse that two World Wars where so many young Soldiers died for the Freedom we enjoy today, meant hardship and
rationing for several years , but this throwaway Society we have now has created a "must have" Society which has little regard for honesty, self respect
or neighbourliness.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 2 Jul - 12:49

Panda wrote:

Don"t you think it"s sad AnnaEsse that two World Wars where so many young Soldiers died for the Freedom we enjoy today, meant hardship and
rationing for several years , but this throwaway Society we have now has created a "must have" Society which has little regard for honesty, self respect
or neighbourliness.

I agree and I think it's sad. When I was a child, we knew most of the people who lived in our road, perhaps not as friends, but we knew their names and well enough to say hello in passing. My grandmother had a heart attack early one morning and fell out of bed. By 1pm, neighbours had notified my mother that the curtains were still closed. Now, I know the people who live in the adjoining semi, and I know that there are older people in my road, but I wouldn't know anything about their routines. I know the family across the road well enough to exchange greetings and I know the names of the children because the kids call out to me when they're in the garden. There was no suggestion of a street party here for the royal wedding probably because we're all strangers to each other and who would organise it?

As for honesty! There's so much petty theft around here, it's incredibly annoying. Somebody nicked the wheel trims off my car and the Christmas wreath disappeared off my front door! Garden ornaments go walkies in days and the only reason my large fossil hasn't gone, I reckon, is because it weighs 118lbs!

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Post  halfamo on Thu 7 Jul - 15:54

Lioned wrote:I think it was ted heath who sealed our fate good and proper when he took this once great nation into the common market.

Yes it was not a lot to thank him for plus Thatcher with her purge against industry mines steelworks shipyards .

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Post  kitti on Thu 7 Jul - 16:02

Has your large fossil got a name, Anna?


Cats seem to go missing around here....I seem to be seeing alot lately off pics off cats pinned to lamp posts who have mysteriously gone missing!

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Post  Angelina on Thu 7 Jul - 16:11

AnnaEsse wrote:
Panda wrote:

Don"t you think it"s sad AnnaEsse that two World Wars where so many young Soldiers died for the Freedom we enjoy today, meant hardship and
rationing for several years , but this throwaway Society we have now has created a "must have" Society which has little regard for honesty, self respect
or neighbourliness.

I agree and I think it's sad. When I was a child, we knew most of the people who lived in our road, perhaps not as friends, but we knew their names and well enough to say hello in passing. My grandmother had a heart attack early one morning and fell out of bed. By 1pm, neighbours had notified my mother that the curtains were still closed. Now, I know the people who live in the adjoining semi, and I know that there are older people in my road, but I wouldn't know anything about their routines. I know the family across the road well enough to exchange greetings and I know the names of the children because the kids call out to me when they're in the garden. There was no suggestion of a street party here for the royal wedding probably because we're all strangers to each other and who would organise it?

As for honesty! There's so much petty theft around here, it's incredibly annoying. Somebody nicked the wheel trims off my car and the Christmas wreath disappeared off my front door! Garden ornaments go walkies in days and the only reason my large fossil hasn't gone, I reckon, is because it weighs 118lbs!

Someone (probably kids) stole my little niece's snowman....and had the darn cheek to put it in their garden opposite! She was only 6 and it really upset her.

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I was playing skittles last night and one of the Women was telling me she got a call from her Bank, a guy referring to a loan she had and saying she had been overcharged by£4,000......she was over the Moon. Anyway, the guy asked her for her Bank Account number and she got bad vibes and asked why
if he was calling from her Bank. He said he wanted to confirm which account she wanted to money to be credited to but she refused to give him the number and he put the phone down . Then she phoned the Bank and was told it was a scam .......this is the way of the World today and money has become the root of all evil.IMO

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Post  Angelina on Thu 7 Jul - 18:41

Panda wrote:

I was playing skittles last night and one of the Women was telling me she got a call from her Bank, a guy referring to a loan she had and saying she had been overcharged by£4,000......she was over the Moon. Anyway, the guy asked her for her Bank Account number and she got bad vibes and asked why
if he was calling from her Bank. He said he wanted to confirm which account she wanted to money to be credited to but she refused to give him the number and he put the phone down . Then she phoned the Bank and was told it was a scam .......this is the way of the World today and money has become the root of all evil.IMO

No reputable company or website asks you to give personal info such as account numbers or passwords. If everyone remembers that and doesn't give any info they should be ok. Anyone asking for those sort of details is a scammer.

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