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Post  pennylane on Tue 9 Aug - 8:07

Sorry must have sent twice.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 9:11

I was on Holiday last year in Turkey and whichever Bus we rode on, any children on board would automatically get up and give us a their seat. This
was the norm when I was young but the Youth of today never ever give up their seat, more likely to throw a brick at the Driver resulting in the Buses
taken off that route for a while, . Good behaviour starts in the Home, is carried on in School and becomes natural , it has taken only one Generation
to raise these imbeciles.

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Post  Angelina on Tue 9 Aug - 9:16

Panda wrote:I was on Holiday last year in Turkey and whichever Bus we rode on, any children on board would automatically get up and give us a their seat. This
was the norm when I was young but the Youth of today never ever give up their seat, more likely to throw a brick at the Driver resulting in the Buses
taken off that route for a while, . Good behaviour starts in the Home, is carried on in School and becomes natural , it has taken only one Generation
to raise these imbeciles.

Trouble is good parenting seems to have vanished about 30 years ago with certain sorts of families (if you can actually call them families). Now we have 3 generations in the same house with no jobs, no respect, no prospects, no education etc. Not quite sure how you turn that around.

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Post  fedrules on Tue 9 Aug - 9:17

A load of thugs and criminals with nothing to do and no respect for authority of any kind. Very hard to know how the police can control this. We rarely have this sort of disorder in Switzerland, but demonstrators are not handled with kid gloves. Water cannons and even rubber bullets are deployed here.


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Post  Angelina on Tue 9 Aug - 9:20

fedrules wrote:A load of thugs and criminals with nothing to do and no respect for authority of any kind. Very hard to know how the police can control this. We rarely have this sort of disorder in Switzerland, but demonstrators are not handled with kid gloves. Water canons and even rubber bullets are deployed here.

It's about time we started here. Apparently we don't even own a water canon.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 9:30

I suggested the Army be deployed with Water Cannon a couple of days ago , just announce, Liverpool and Birmingham affected as well. Bristol also
affected. Police say on twitter they will be deploying 13,000 Police for duty today. Pictures of the damage done to shops etc are unbelievable it"s
going to cost £10 million so far to put right the damage. It really is shameful and I never thought this kind of behaviour would be seen on the streets
of Britain.

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Post  fedrules on Tue 9 Aug - 9:44

Panda wrote:I suggested the Army be deployed with Water Cannon a couple of days ago , just announce, Liverpool and Birmingham affected as well. Bristol also
affected. Police say on twitter they will be deploying 13,000 Police for duty today. Pictures of the damage done to shops etc are unbelievable it"s
going to cost £10 million so far to put right the damage. It really is shameful and I never thought this kind of behaviour would be seen on the streets
of Britain.
'

My dad who is admittedly not the most liberal of people, although the kindest and most considerate man I know, always says that 'Enogh Powell was right' when this sort of thing happens

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 9:49

The point is, the Police are NOT dealing with it, they are overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the violence and the Army needs to be deployed to help.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 9:58

Yes fedrules,

His "rivers of blood " speech was considered outrageous and racial at the time but your Dad was right, and the Government has no idea of how many
illegal immigrants there are here. There"s a very good youtube video , wish I had copied it, can"t find it now. It"s called "Sony Presentation" on the
future, While the average Western Family has 2 children, the Muslims have 4 or 5 so will dominate the world in 2 generations. What youngsters learn
in school today will be obsolete in a few years etc.

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How FICK is this???

Post  Guest on Tue 9 Aug - 10:43



Looting Curry's with your Curry's uniform on.....

eta. sorry, didn't realise that Carmen posted it already.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 11:31

sky news








Parliament Recalled As Riots Spread Across UK





11:25am UK, Tuesday August 09, 2011

David Cameron has said Parliament will be recalled on Thursday to deal with
the "sickening scenes" of rioting in London and across the country.











Police have struggled to contain what has become the worst rioting in decades
as crowds of youths smashed windows, emptied shops of their goods and set
properties on fire.

More than 450 people have been arrested in the capital since Saturday,
including three overnight on suspicion of attempted murder after two police
officers were hit by a car in Fulton Road, Brent.

David
Cameron flew back to Britain
to chair the Government's emergency
committee Cobra and meet police chiefs, having been on a family holiday to
Tuscany.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 11:51

England v Netherlands football match cancelled because of riots.

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Post  Keela on Tue 9 Aug - 12:02

Panda wrote:The point is, the Police are NOT dealing with it, they are overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the violence and the Army needs to be deployed to help.


I agree the Police aren't coping but then again how are they expected to? To every police officer there is probably 20 rioters. As for Mrs May saying that they would not consider using water canons and will rely on consent ( whatever that is) is nonsense. Water canons are a very effective way of dealing with the scum which is destroying the streets. It seems that the Government would prefer to adopt the softly softly approach, like this is going to work. Tough action is needed and asap. The army needs to be deployed ( if you can find any who aren't busy fighting an unwinnable war). They are the guys who will help the police bring a bit of law and order to the streets.

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Post  Keela on Tue 9 Aug - 12:02

carmen wrote:
@ @frasereC4

People waiting to clean up Clapham Junction have been told they cannot help because of health and safety issues.

FFS


Totally agree. What H & S issues.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 12:13

Keela wrote:
Panda wrote:The point is, the Police are NOT dealing with it, they are overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the violence and the Army needs to be deployed to help.


I agree the Police aren't coping but then again how are they expected to? To every police officer there is probably 20 rioters. As for Mrs May saying that they would not consider using water canons and will rely on consent ( whatever that is) is nonsense. Water canons are a very effective way of dealing with the scum which is destroying the streets. It seems that the Government would prefer to adopt the softly softly approach, like this is going to work. Tough action is needed and asap. The army needs to be deployed ( if you can find any who aren't busy fighting an unwinnable war). They are the guys who will help the police bring a bit of law and order to the streets.

I agree Keela, what message is Britain sending to would be tourists who want to come to Britain for the Olympics next Year?. The Police have taken a lot
of stick recently, but a lot of these Policemen are young and would be just as frightened as anyone trying to stop all the violence. Water cannon
is very effective and treat like with like I say. These yobbos have no conscience about the way they are behaving, it truly is beyond the pale.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 12:14



11:48am UK, Tuesday August 09, 2011

Residents in London and beyond have pledged to reclaim streets vandalised by
rioters by organising spot clean-up squads.





Councils say they have had hundreds of people ringing in
to offer clean-up help



Within hours of the unrest escalating, numerous Facebook groups had been set
up and local people were arranging to meet using the Twitter hash tag
#riotcleanup.

"Clean up starting in an hour. About 200 odd people with broom and marigolds
ready to take our town back! Come down!" was among typical postings made on
social media.

A special website set up to help co-ordinate the efforts has crashed after
being overwhelmed by visitors.

Meanwhile, hundreds of people living in affected boroughs have called their
local councils, asking to help with the clear-up.

Croydon Council told Sky News that more than 500 people had rung this morning
to offer their assistance, and Hackney Council reported similar support.

Both councils say their clean-up efforts are under control, having begun in
the early hours of this morning.

But they are taking names and contact numbers of volunteers in case they are
needed later.

A Hackney Council spokesperson said it was "great to see the community coming
together" following the unrest that has seen dozens of local businesses damaged.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 9 Aug - 12:21

carmen wrote:

Thank you carmen. That is what 'community,' is about. It's not about the sense of entitlement that some people seem to have. It's about taking pride in and taking responsibility for oneself and for one's environment. Those people doing the clean-up are the real community. The yobs doing the violence and thieving have no idea what the word 'community,' means.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 12:38

I was getting quite choked up seeing the cheers for the Police Car and the response of the Public, it"s good to know that people are prepared to help
and would be nice if they turned up at hotspots tonight with buckets of water or paint to throw over the troublemakers and thieves.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 13:24

Crikey Carmen......how can these B***ards live with themselves, that poor woman must have been terrified

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 13:41


  • RT @jamieoliver: sadly my restaurant in Birmingham got
    smashed up windows all gone whole area closed, cant open, staff and customers
    all ...
    by skymidlands via twitter
    8/9/2011 12:23:23
    PM

    1:23 PM
  • Sky News understands that plastic bullets may be used this
    evening.
    by Dave Lee 8/9/2011 12:22:54 PM

    1:22 PM
  • Youngest person arrested last night was aged 11.
    by Dave Lee 8/9/2011 12:19:38 PM

    1:19 PM
just out of interest, how did I manage to paste this.????

It was meant to be a short twitter sky has started,

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Post  Angelina on Tue 9 Aug - 14:24

Anyone heard anything about Docklands? I've been told there is a gang(s) there.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 14:37

No mention of docklands, I think this is the latest


South of the river in Peckham, teams of riot officers were seen charging at
fleeing troublemakers after a major fire was started at a shop adjoining a
Greggs bakery.

A nearby bus was also set on fire.

A clothing business in Peckham High Street named Giselle was among the stores
ransacked there.

Owner Giselle Asante, 57, said the items taken included included wedding
dresses due to be collected later this week.

"It is truly devastating," said Ms Asante.

"We cannot replace any of these things because we have made them all

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 15:53

Riots: Why Has Anarchy Gripped England?










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1:29pm UK, Tuesday August 09, 2011




As London and other cities struggle to contain the worst urban
violence in decades, many across the country are asking - why has this
happened?










Parliament has been recalled as David Cameron told rioters across the country they would feel the full force of the law.


The Prime Minister described the "sickening scenes" of looting and
arson across London and for the first time, out to Birmingham, Bristol
and Liverpool.


In the worst night in current memory, the police brought in armoured
vehicles to push back the crowds - many of them just young teenagers.


Hundreds of arrests have been made, and many homes and businesses have been lost.


Clive Bloom,
author of Violent London: 2,000 Years Of Riots, Rebels And Revolts,
told Sky News Online that for the capital - unrest was, unfortunately,
nothing new.


He said London today is much like it was three centuries ago and the lawlessness of the city has always gone up and down.







Hooded youths walk past a looted Debenhams store in Clapham





"The 18th century was essentially a lawless period. The underclass
areas were surrounded by very wealthy areas - pockets of wealth were
surrounded by poverty.


"So there were times when the areas of poverty wound spill over and
there would be days of rioting, just to let out the adrenaline."


He added: "When you ignore very poor people, they decided to take the law into their own hands.


"The morality of property - the idea of the morality of property -
they don't understand that a pair of trainers has to be sold to you -
they can't just take it.


"And now they realise, no one's stopping them.

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Post  Panda on Tue 9 Aug - 16:07

Dj Ashba wrote:High time we went back a few years and started to again refer to the Police as a 'Force' because that's what they are, not a service. Service is what you get in restaurants etc. Their prime objectives; the only two in my opinion; are to abide by and enforce the law by whatever means necessary and that includes the use of violence. Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. People understand violence and usually respect and avoid it.

Hi Dj Ashba,

The problem is, today"s youth have no respect for the Law or Police Officers and the Police can"t win. When they tried Kettling, to contain a crowd , it was banned, yet Demonstrators were free to pour Paint over the Police and throw missiles at them and that was accepted. With the NOTW scandal and
some Police Officers accused of taking bribes, this shooting under investigation , the Policeman kicking a Demonstrator who later died, the Police are
not exactly flavour of the month. Now water canons are banned , yet the Police need all the protection they can get.....I think Human Rights has gone too far.

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as above

Post  halfamo on Tue 9 Aug - 16:19

Living in Germany where there is a large Turkish population , i would if i were these thugs be very reluctant to take on the Turkish business owners.

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