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Post  Bebootje on Sat 10 Sep - 9:06

Concerning the Madeleine case I keep thinking about the misunderstandings about the conclusion of the DNA tests (first it was a 100% match, then the material seemed to be contaminated). Is this a possibility to discover contamination happend inside the FSS? Is it possible to start such a court appeal to get hold on internal reports of the FSS?


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/10522587/__Honderden_fouten_bij_dna-onderzoek__.html?p=1,1
Hundreds of mistakes in DNA research
by Yolanda van der Graaf

AMSTERDAM - In DNA research on serious crimes, the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI) made hundreds and sometimes fatal mistakes. This is showed by internal fault records which - on courts order - The Telegraph layed hands on. The reviews are in full on this website too.
Today in the paper version of The Telegraph brings a shocking report about the huge number of errors and deviations (from trivial to severe) over the past fourteen years during and after DNA testing was discovered. "A frighteningly high number," says psychologist Peter van Koppen that calls for a thorough forensic examination of failures in our country. Furthermore, the disastrous consequences of the mistakes and sometimes bewildered reactions of experts.

It took years to get hold on the litigation documents of the state lab. The public records by the NFI which are anonymized, so it is unclear which criminal offenses are involved. Also, names of employees and trademarks are removed.

The message list (see the links in this story right) shows errors that the lab reported from 1997 to 2010 t. As 'contamination': making mistakes such as a DNA offender gets mixed with that of an NFI-employee, victim or perpetrator. "A match with the elimination database" means that a trace contaminated with DNA from NFI staff. A match or hit with the database "- which - bizarrely enough also gross errors are made - means that a track corresponds to a suspect or another track.

In 'monster transformations' DNA ends by errors from one in the other case. Deviations of QOL documents means that work practices are not followed. Many errors are dismissed as incident, with a much smaller number matches the way to the NFI. Pieces of evidence (SVO) are murder weapons, clothing, shoes and other items from victims of crime scenes.

Because the NFI is accredited according to international ISO standards provides internal audits (inspections) by own staff. Furthermore, given the annual external audits by the Accreditation Council. Which also reports on our website.

Incidentally, research shows that the documents provided are incomplete. The Telegraph once again appeals to the courts in order to get hold of all data.

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Post  Badboy on Sat 10 Sep - 11:12

SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC,I SEE THAT THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO/HAS CLOSED DOWN THE FSS IN BIRMINGHAM AND HAVE PRIVATE COMPANIES DO THE WORK.

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Post  kitti on Sat 10 Sep - 16:37

How was it contaminated.



Was it contaminated and mixed with a FSS worker?



If it was contaminated then it would off showed in the FIRST set off tests.


The Knox trial is now going with the 'contaminated' samples too......



Madeleines DNA was where it shouldnt off been....so to get contaminated in the first place it must off been her DNA.....no DNA...no contamination.

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Post  fred on Sat 10 Sep - 17:27

kitti wrote:How was it contaminated.



Was it contaminated and mixed with a FSS worker?



If it was contaminated then it would off showed in the FIRST set off tests.


The Knox trial is now going with the 'contaminated' samples too......



Madeleines DNA was where it shouldnt off been....so to get contaminated in the first place it must off been her DNA.....no DNA...no contamination.

Stop being so sensible kitti, the samples were contaminated because the goverment said so o.k. Don't question!! Bloody woman always questioning things!
Foxy will get off in the appeal, 100% certain about that, no doubts. If you want to murder someone, get a good looking young woman to do it, I mean Rose West, YUK!!!! Those so out of fashion glasses? Well, Hell, if I was on the jury, she'd be convicted in 3 seconds. Foxy lady will be as she said home for thanks giving, she will do the Oprah show/Rikki Lake/CNN...you name it, she will pose for Playboy, be a multimillionaire in a fortnight, and poor Merediths (Who??) broken hearted mum and dad, will live forever in torment, Get over it people. that's life

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Post  Bebootje on Sun 11 Sep - 11:45

Badboy wrote:SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC,I SEE THAT THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO/HAS CLOSED DOWN THE FSS IN BIRMINGHAM AND HAVE PRIVATE COMPANIES DO THE WORK.

Not off topic Badboy. If it happened in the Netherlands with a state forensic bureau, it could have happened at the FSS too.
Is it possible - like in the Netherlands - to get a court order to get hands on such internal fault reports? It wouldn't surprise me if in Madeleins' case such errors would come up.
In the case of the DNA that supposed to be Madeleines the FSS report says that 3 other people contributed to the DNA sample. Could have happened inside the FSS by FSS lab workers.

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Post  Badboy on Sun 11 Sep - 11:55

Bebootje wrote:
Badboy wrote:SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC,I SEE THAT THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO/HAS CLOSED DOWN THE FSS IN BIRMINGHAM AND HAVE PRIVATE COMPANIES DO THE WORK.

Not off topic Badboy. If it happened in the Netherlands with a state forensic bureau, it could have happened at the FSS too.
Is it possible - like in the Netherlands - to get a court order to get hands on such internal fault reports? It wouldn't surprise me if in Madeleins' case such errors would come up.
In the case of the DNA that supposed to be Madeleines the FSS report says that 3 other people contributed to the DNA sample. Could have happened inside the FSS by FSS lab workers.
THERE ARE FOI(FREEDOM OF INFORMATION) REQUESTS

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Post  Bebootje on Sun 11 Sep - 12:02

OK the requested already. Interesting. Is it answered yet?

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Post  Badboy on Sun 11 Sep - 12:12

Bebootje wrote:OK the requested already. Interesting. Is it answered yet?
i don't know anyone who has,but it might be interesting to see any answers if such were requested.
first question,is how where and to whom do you make any such requests.

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Post  Bebootje on Sun 11 Sep - 12:23

O thought you said they were already been made. I imagine those requests can be made to FSS directly, or to the Government for FSS is a state institute. I the Netherlands the requests were made by a newspaper.

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