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Post  NoStone on Fri 7 Oct - 9:41

Hi, I wonder what sort of things people do to get new recruits to the cause!?? I try when talking to folk whether at work or in a bar - wherever - to subtly introduce the subject of Madeleine into the conversation to see if I can assertain their views. Most seem pretty apathetic to the story I must admit but then after time (this can take weeks of gentle prodding), when I keep dropping snippits into the conversation they become more engaged in the subject and start asking questions at which stage I 'educate' them with a few facts and point them to web-sites.

A recent convert was a friend from another forum more to do with Marigolds than Madeleine. I have been exchanging emails with her for a few years and kept popping away at her. When she told me she bought a gardening book recently from Amazon I told her I did'nt buy from them anymore for participating in censorship - she bit back and asked why. I emailled her the link to Pat Brown's radio interview following the removal of her book. Now we have a new recruit as she had no idea this sort of thing was going on and was appalled in the first instance, and then very suspicious of the Mc's after believing their story all these years. A new recruit.

So what do you do to recruit to the cause and more importantly, what more can we do to get the message across to more people?

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Post  pennylane on Fri 7 Oct - 10:22

When I bring the subject of "The McCanns" up to people I haven't previously discussed it with, I'm constantly amazed when they calmly inform me they do not believe their story! I wonder how they can be so calm and matter of fact about it all. I realise now that the vast majority of people don't believe this pair but are too busy to dwell on it, and hence are not as incensed by the gross injustice of it all.

I was in my favorite clothes shop the other day and one of the assistants I like came up to me and said 'Can you believe Amanda Knox walked free!' We discussed how evil we thought she was and how money and political pressure had enabled her to walk free. This lead me to ask her 'How do you feel about the McCanns' to which she immediately replied... 'I don't trust them and I don't like them!" She went on to say that she would never leave her children like that, and she added a 3 year old can put things in babies mouths and choke them, and there were a million other dangers around, and she didn't believe Madeleine was abducted. I quickly made my feelings known regarding the dog alerts, their silly detectives, and the Fund, etc. Next time I go in I shall introduce her to more information on the gruesome twosome.

AS I mentioned above, from what I have personally gleaned over these 4+ years is that most people are too busy in their lives to pursue their distrust of Kate and Gerry McCann any further... but it still amazes me to this day how many out there in all walks of life, actually don't believe a word they or their pimping mouthpiece has uttered!

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Post  kitti on Fri 7 Oct - 10:28

I did mention it once to someone I knew and she said...'oh, is that the girl that got ABDUCTED in Spain or wherever'.....

I don't even bother pursuing it as people like her are just not interested and they cant even remember he name.

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Post  victor mendez on Fri 7 Oct - 22:00

I have casually mentioned it to my friends. Some just have no interest. But quite a few pronounced that they loathed the McCanns. Neglecting the babies, and making money out of their child's fate. Living in a mansion while begging for money was also mentioned. These friends know nothing of the evidence files but still can't stand them.

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Post  cass on Sat 8 Oct - 8:52

the thing is with forums people loose intsest in them after a while , me i dont im what my family say obsessed yep put my hands up i am , i have never felt as strong about any news matter , but saying that some of my family are sick of the begging etc and say the mcanns arnt doing themself favours now , the book by kate has been a right eye opener for fence sitters , last night the tonight programme was right behind kerry to find ben and she talked about how this goverment was helping the mcanns and the money they had very good programme i think more are going to be asking questions, but join forums is another thing

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Post  milly on Sat 8 Oct - 11:00

NoStone wrote:Hi, I wonder what sort of things people do to get new recruits to the cause!?? I try when talking to folk whether at work or in a bar - wherever - to subtly introduce the subject of Madeleine into the conversation to see if I can assertain their views. Most seem pretty apathetic to the story I must admit but then after time (this can take weeks of gentle prodding), when I keep dropping snippits into the conversation they become more engaged in the subject and start asking questions at which stage I 'educate' them with a few facts and point them to web-sites.

A recent convert was a friend from another forum more to do with Marigolds than Madeleine. I have been exchanging emails with her for a few years and kept popping away at her. When she told me she bought a gardening book recently from Amazon I told her I did'nt buy from them anymore for participating in censorship - she bit back and asked why. I emailled her the link to Pat Brown's radio interview following the removal of her book. Now we have a new recruit as she had no idea this sort of thing was going on and was appalled in the first instance, and then very suspicious of the Mc's after believing their story all these years. A new recruit.

So what do you do to recruit to the cause and more importantly, what more can we do to get the message across to more people?

I think the word recruits isnt the word to use when looking for justice for a missing child. Its not a job vacancy.

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Post  Autumn on Sat 8 Oct - 11:24

milly wrote:
NoStone wrote:Hi, I wonder what sort of things people do to get new recruits to the cause!?? I try when talking to folk whether at work or in a bar - wherever - to subtly introduce the subject of Madeleine into the conversation to see if I can assertain their views. Most seem pretty apathetic to the story I must admit but then after time (this can take weeks of gentle prodding), when I keep dropping snippits into the conversation they become more engaged in the subject and start asking questions at which stage I 'educate' them with a few facts and point them to web-sites.

A recent convert was a friend from another forum more to do with Marigolds than Madeleine. I have been exchanging emails with her for a few years and kept popping away at her. When she told me she bought a gardening book recently from Amazon I told her I did'nt buy from them anymore for participating in censorship - she bit back and asked why. I emailled her the link to Pat Brown's radio interview following the removal of her book. Now we have a new recruit as she had no idea this sort of thing was going on and was appalled in the first instance, and then very suspicious of the Mc's after believing their story all these years. A new recruit.

So what do you do to recruit to the cause and more importantly, what more can we do to get the message across to more people?

I think the word recruits isnt the word to use when looking for justice for a missing child. Its not a job vacancy.

Pat Brown is doing a lot to get the word out over in America. Thankfully our draconian libel laws can't touch Pat and she is free to speak her mind in the US about how the McCanns have got Amazon to remove her book. Her videos and radio interviews are well worth listening to....she talks at length and in detail about why she believes the McCanns are not telling the truth.

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Post  Lioned on Sat 8 Oct - 16:41

Well everyone i know thinks the mccanns are dodgy and i know a lot of people.

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Post  Guest on Sat 8 Oct - 22:54

I have zero interest in "recruiting" anybody, I think people can make up their own minds.

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Post  Autumn on Sat 8 Oct - 23:03

Iris wrote:I have zero interest in "recruiting" anybody, I think people can make up their own minds.

And thats the problem Iris, people are making their minds up based on what they read in the tabloids and hear spouting out of Lorraine Kelley's mouth.

If some can be persuaded to read whats in the files and blogs on the internet then thats a good thing. Most of us would have been clueless about this case if we hadn't found information online.

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Post  Guest on Sat 8 Oct - 23:06

"informing" people of suppressed information is very different from "recruiting"

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Post  HiDeHo on Sun 9 Oct - 2:11

I spend the day at peoples houses and have lots of time to chat about anything.

I often refer to the case, initially more interested in the casual observers opinion, but have found many become interested once they realise the story told in the press may be different to what really happened.

I have found my first video is an easy way of passing on the information, which can easily become overwhelming.

One of my customers was so intent on absorbing every word that I sat next to her while she paused the video to read everything I had added, along with asking questions.

We cannot change the world, or even make a difference, one person at a time, but it is very gratifying when you realise that the information really does change people's opinions, which is my intention with each video.

You may find that this, the first one, gives enough information to, at the very least, make casual observers think...

Easily found by Googling ' hideho4 shocking'

Shocking News for UK - Police Files.... 'Madeleine McCann Died in Apartment'

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Post  Angelique on Sun 9 Oct - 2:25

HiDeHo

I think one would be hard pushed to be able to achieve what you have achieved. I don't think anyone can calculate how many people you have reached and have informed through your videos of the disappearance of Madeleine and the controversy surrounding this case.

I am truly in awe of your efforts.

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Post  NoStone on Sun 9 Oct - 22:24

HiDeHo - your videos and the work of others to put out information in this form of media is highly invaluable (thank you). Getting the message out there that there is alternative information out there that the press will not cover, is made so much easier in this way. Sometimes I find you do need to pursuade people to open up their minds that there maybe an alternative story, to get people's interest, before you can refer them to the files and video's etc.

- and yes - I do see it as recruiting - recruting to the cause of Justice, I see nothing wrong in that!

I wonder how the press would cover a stunt like Fathers 4 Justice have pulled off in the past? and what was that stunt that Chris Ewbank pulled a few years ago? I know he got arrested but he made the news all the same!!

If someone was to climb Nelson's Column in a Surgeon's outfit or something demanding justice for Madeleine, how much media coverage would it get? I guess the first time the press would try and ignore it but if it was something spectacular that they could not ignore...????

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Post  victor mendez on Sun 9 Oct - 23:58

NoStone wrote:HiDeHo - your videos and the work of others to put out information in this form of media is highly invaluable (thank you). Getting the message out there that there is alternative information out there that the press will not cover, is made so much easier in this way. Sometimes I find you do need to pursuade people to open up their minds that there maybe an alternative story, to get people's interest, before you can refer them to the files and video's etc.

- and yes - I do see it as recruiting - recruting to the cause of Justice, I see nothing wrong in that!

I wonder how the press would cover a stunt like Fathers 4 Justice have pulled off in the past? and what was that stunt that Chris Ewbank pulled a few years ago? I know he got arrested but he made the news all the same!!

If someone was to climb Nelson's Column in a Surgeon's outfit or something demanding justice for Madeleine, how much media coverage would it get? I guess the first time the press would try and ignore it but if it was something spectacular that they could not ignore...????

Yes, I agree that there is nothing wrong with being pro-active in publicising a cause you believe in. I fully understand your sense of the word 'recruit'.

I was watching something on telly, I can't remember what - it may have been a footie match or something. In the background someone was waving a banner which simply said 'GOOGLE HOLLY GRIEG'. Well, I did. And discovered another situation where people felt justice was not being served.

Could we be arrested if we had a banner saying GOOGLE PJ FILES? My OH would kill me!

I just do what I can by talking to people I know and occasionally suggesting the PJ Files in comment sections. That's all that's within my power at the moment.


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Post  NoStone on Mon 10 Oct - 8:10

victor mendez wrote:
NoStone wrote:HiDeHo - your videos and the work of others to put out information in this form of media is highly invaluable (thank you). Getting the message out there that there is alternative information out there that the press will not cover, is made so much easier in this way. Sometimes I find you do need to pursuade people to open up their minds that there maybe an alternative story, to get people's interest, before you can refer them to the files and video's etc.

- and yes - I do see it as recruiting - recruting to the cause of Justice, I see nothing wrong in that!

I wonder how the press would cover a stunt like Fathers 4 Justice have pulled off in the past? and what was that stunt that Chris Ewbank pulled a few years ago? I know he got arrested but he made the news all the same!!

If someone was to climb Nelson's Column in a Surgeon's outfit or something demanding justice for Madeleine, how much media coverage would it get? I guess the first time the press would try and ignore it but if it was something spectacular that they could not ignore...????

Yes, I agree that there is nothing wrong with being pro-active in publicising a cause you believe in. I fully understand your sense of the word 'recruit'.

I was watching something on telly, I can't remember what - it may have been a footie match or something. In the background someone was waving a banner which simply said 'GOOGLE HOLLY GRIEG'. Well, I did. And discovered another situation where people felt justice was not being served.

Could we be arrested if we had a banner saying GOOGLE PJ FILES? My OH would kill me!

I just do what I can by talking to people I know and occasionally suggesting the PJ Files in comment sections. That's all that's within my power at the moment.

Victor - if we all do everything in our power to help Madeleine - then at least we are doing something. Some have more power than others and who knows, maybe one day a new recruit may have all the power Madeleine needs to bring justice. Perhaps that person or those people are already out there and on the case!??

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Post  Dimsie on Tue 11 Oct - 0:41

NoStone wrote:HiDeHo - your videos and the work of others to put out information in this form of media is highly invaluable (thank you). Getting the message out there that there is alternative information out there that the press will not cover, is made so much easier in this way. Sometimes I find you do need to pursuade people to open up their minds that there maybe an alternative story, to get people's interest, before you can refer them to the files and video's etc.

- and yes - I do see it as recruiting - recruting to the cause of Justice, I see nothing wrong in that!

I wonder how the press would cover a stunt like Fathers 4 Justice have pulled off in the past? and what was that stunt that Chris Ewbank pulled a few years ago? I know he got arrested but he made the news all the same!!

If someone was to climb Nelson's Column in a Surgeon's outfit or something demanding justice for Madeleine, how much media coverage would it get? I guess the first time the press would try and ignore it but if it was something spectacular that they could not ignore...????
The media would report any such stunt as the work of McCann-hating nutters whose sole aim in life was to try to make the life of the saintly McCanns unbearable - the usual rubbish. I have zero faith in the British media, all of them but especially the press. All it would do is get the McCanns more sympathy and support from the sentimental people who've chosen to forget the way the children were left home alone every night by their feckless parents, and from those who either don't know what's in the police files or who choose to ignore those as well.

I don't do any recruiting as such, but I do let people know about the existence and content of the official police files, the rogatory interviews, Hi-De-Ho's videos, etc. I imagine many of the members and readers here are also members of other Internet forums and groups, ones that have nothing to do with this case or missing children, but where they may have the opportunity to mention the case and inform anyone interested of the wealth of information available. I've found people are intrigued to know there are two sides to this story, not just here in the UK but in other countries as well, and those who do take the time and trouble to read some of the files, etc. are shocked to realise just how much information has gone unreported by the media, not just in the UK but elsewhere too. People should be given the information and left to read it or not as they choose and then make up their own minds.

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Post  gillyspot on Tue 11 Oct - 7:51

I came from twitter (I only joined it to find out about the super-injunctions-nosey lol) then found out about Madeleine's story. Since then I have been researching constantly in the files and media statements and sharing back on twitter to spread the word that K & G McCanns' stories do not add up. The Non Transparent & Non Accountable so called "Fund" is what got me riled up initially (and still does TBH).

We are all important on here and other forums, twitter, facebook etc as we are actively trying to find out what happened to poor Madeleine. One thing is certain that when Kate or Gerry say "In spite of all the investigative work done, there is still absolutely nothing to suggest harm to Madeleine" they are certainly wrong (or lying) unless they know who actually has her, as a child that has now been missing for well over 4 years with no hide nor hair of her must have had something significant happen to them.

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Post  bill516 on Tue 11 Oct - 20:20

Gillyspot that would all make perfect sense and quite beleivable, but then someone let the dogs out and they put a spanner in the works.

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Post  gillyspot on Tue 11 Oct - 21:04

Such a shame that Zapata was found guilty. Gerry McCann had such high hopes there.

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Post  Dimsie on Tue 11 Oct - 21:21

gillyspot wrote:Such a shame that Zapata was found guilty. Gerry McCann had such high hopes there.
Ah yes, the Zapata case ... those high hopes were very misplaced! Not one of their brighter ideas, but serve them right that Zapata confessed and proved the dogs were completely reliable.

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Post  LJC on Tue 11 Oct - 23:02

I am not a recruiter as such, I rarely talk about this case and just post my views here.

The best way, imo, for the message to get out is Mr Amaral's books, and that is what the McCanns worry about the most, more than finding their daughter it seems.

Therefore, the more the McCanns try to block mr Amaral's books, the more it makes the headlines and the more people ponder the subject of Madeleine. Therefore, even without the books being circulated, it still hits the news because of the ban, and this is the best way to get the message across to people, to those who are open-minded enough to take an interest. Others with closed minds will never listen, they don't want to listen.

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Post  gillyspot on Wed 12 Oct - 6:59

LJC wrote:I am not a recruiter as such, I rarely talk about this case and just post my views here.

The best way, imo, for the message to get out is Mr Amaral's books, and that is what the McCanns worry about the most, more than finding their daughter it seems.

Therefore, the more the McCanns try to block mr Amaral's books, the more it makes the headlines and the more people ponder the subject of Madeleine. Therefore, even without the books being circulated, it still hits the news because of the ban, and this is the best way to get the message across to people, to those who are open-minded enough to take an interest. Others with closed minds will never listen, they don't want to listen.

Unfortunately it doesn't make headlines though does it? The UK press haven't covered the trials since October 2010 (when Amaral won the first time) and even then only the Guardian mentioned it (no other newspapers as far as I am aware). When the McCanns' win it is over the press like a rash but when they lose...

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Post  Panda on Wed 12 Oct - 14:06

I think it"s fair to say that after 4 years Joe Public is fed up to the eye teeth with the McCanns and their pleas asking the Public to keep searching for Madeleine. My friends can"t understand my continued interest in the case so I don"t discuss it with them anymore. The last
hope we have is the McCann v Amaral Trial, which might throw up some evidence about Madeleine which has never been revealed. If the
McCanns lose the case, they will stop their pleas to the public and keep a very low profile,.

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Post  cass on Wed 12 Oct - 20:14

Panda wrote:I think it"s fair to say that after 4 years Joe Public is fed up to the eye teeth with the McCanns and their pleas asking the Public to keep searching for Madeleine. My friends can"t understand my continued interest in the case so I don"t discuss it with them anymore. The last
hope we have is the McCann v Amaral Trial, which might throw up some evidence about Madeleine which has never been revealed. If the
McCanns lose the case, they will stop their pleas to the public and keep a very low profile,.
i agree if ga wins his case i think the mcs will fade away , tbh that was the turning point i think when the book by ga was unbanned . i think it made a lot of fence sitters think . i have family that just do not understand why i wont let it drop , obsessed they say , and yep suppose i am , dont bring it up with mam unless theres anything in the news , but i have to say a couple of pll have now said since kates book i wish they would just piss off with their begging , added to dc saying it will be a review or whatever its a golden home goal for the mcanns , shut up time

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