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Post  vivvy on Sat 29 Aug - 1:18

lynn wrote:The finding of Jacee must be good news for the McCanns....something to hide behind sorry to say and just see their coffers fill up a bit more now.

Yep the charade that Maddie was abducted can continue. They will milk it to the core.
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 1:19

String wrote:They will be far more aware than any of us what might have happened or might still be happening to their little girl.

In the McCanns surreal world of fantasy & fiction abducted children are loved and cared for by women as if they were their own like some kind of surrogate daughter or son and raped by evil men. Yet in the case of missing Jaycee Lee Dugard BOTH suspects (husband & wife) have BOTH been charged with kidnapping and raping the poor girl. In my opinion the McCanns don't have a friggen clue about what might have or what might be happening to Madeleine and the lifelong psychological damage caused to her if she was indeed abducted. If Madeleine was abducted and is eventually found in a similar circumstance to that of Jaycee Lee Dugard the McCanns pain will have only just started not ended believe me.
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McCanns.......Hijack another tragedy?

Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 8:11

«Kate and Gerry McCann said today: “Once again this shows that children can sometimes disappear off the radar only to be found years later alive.

“It emphasises that we should never assume that someone is not alive without any evidence to support this. We should never give up

“This case only makes us more determined to find Madeleine. She is out there somewhere and somebody knows where.” »

«The parents of Rothley girl Madeleine McCann have said the reappearance of a girl missing in California for 18 years has given them renewed hope.

Gerry and Kate McCann's spokesman said the news about Jaycee Lee Dugard gave them hope Madeleine would be found.»

«Clarence Mitchell said: "They are extremely pleased. It strengthens their determination never to stop looking for Madeleine."»

* «Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, added: "Jaycee's case underlines statistics which say the younger a child is when she is taken, the more likely she is to be cared for and kept alive over an extended period."»

from teletext, mirror , breakingnews.iol.ie & * mirror [28.08.09]

Statistics:

From Polly Klaas Foundation [US]

99.8% of the children who go missing do come home.

* Nearly 90% of missing children have simply misunderstood directions or miscommunicated their plans, are lost, or have run away.
* 9% are kidnapped by a family member in a custody dispute.
* 3% are abducted by non-family members, usually during the commission of a crime such as robbery or sexual assault. The kidnapper is often someone the child knows.
* Only about 100 children (a fraction of 1%) are kidnapped each year in the stereotypical stranger abductions you hear about in the news.
* About have of these 100 children come home.

Kidnapped Child Homicide Statistics
Additionally, in 1997 the Attorney General of Washington State conducted a study focussing on missing child murders.

The most important information pertains to children who were kidnapped by violent or predatory abductors (approximately 1 in every 10,000 reports of a missing child -- about 100 US children per year.) For these children, "in 74 percent of the cases the victims were dead within three hours after abduction."

This information supports current law enforcement procedures to immediatly launch a widespread search for a missing child, in case the kidnapping is one in that small group. But it is incorrect to assume that 74% of all kidnapped children are at risk of being killed if not found within 3 hours.

You can download the Executive Summary of that report here in PDF format, Abduction - Homicide Study
More Information on Missing Child statistics at NMEC
Find The Kids : Missing child statistics PDF

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/08/mccanns-in-new-hope.html
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 8:12

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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 8:26


The backyard of the home of registered sex offender and convicted rapist Phillip Garrido is shown in Antioch, California, August 28, 2009


Tarps, tents and a wooden structure are seen in the backyard of alleged kidnapper Phillip Garrido
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 8:52

Dogwood wrote:«Kate and Gerry McCann said today: “Once again this shows that children can sometimes disappear off the radar only to be found years later alive.

“It emphasises that we should never assume that someone is not alive without any evidence to support this. We should never give up

“This case only makes us more determined to find Madeleine. She is out there somewhere and somebody knows where.” »

«The parents of Rothley girl Madeleine McCann have said the reappearance of a girl missing in California for 18 years has given them renewed hope.

Gerry and Kate McCann's spokesman said the news about Jaycee Lee Dugard gave them hope Madeleine would be found.»

«Clarence Mitchell said: "They are extremely pleased. It strengthens their determination never to stop looking for Madeleine."»

* «Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, added: "Jaycee's case underlines statistics which say the younger a child is when she is taken, the more likely she is to be cared for and kept alive over an extended period."»

from teletext, mirror , breakingnews.iol.ie & * mirror [28.08.09]

Statistics:

From Polly Klaas Foundation [US]

99.8% of the children who go missing do come home.

* Nearly 90% of missing children have simply misunderstood directions or miscommunicated their plans, are lost, or have run away.
* 9% are kidnapped by a family member in a custody dispute.
* 3% are abducted by non-family members, usually during the commission of a crime such as robbery or sexual assault. The kidnapper is often someone the child knows.
* Only about 100 children (a fraction of 1%) are kidnapped each year in the stereotypical stranger abductions you hear about in the news.
* About have of these 100 children come home.

Kidnapped Child Homicide Statistics
Additionally, in 1997 the Attorney General of Washington State conducted a study focussing on missing child murders.

The most important information pertains to children who were kidnapped by violent or predatory abductors (approximately 1 in every 10,000 reports of a missing child -- about 100 US children per year.) For these children, "in 74 percent of the cases the victims were dead within three hours after abduction."

This information supports current law enforcement procedures to immediatly launch a widespread search for a missing child, in case the kidnapping is one in that small group. But it is incorrect to assume that 74% of all kidnapped children are at risk of being killed if not found within 3 hours.

You can download the Executive Summary of that report here in PDF format, Abduction - Homicide Study
More Information on Missing Child statistics at NMEC
Find The Kids : Missing child statistics PDF

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/08/mccanns-in-new-hope.html

This basically implies that it's rare for a child to be killed.. I don't think that that is true.
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Post  jassi on Sat 29 Aug - 9:21

I have mentioned before about fibres from clothing etc.
Now unless this man of the night was wearing some sort of all in one neoprene body suit - think Batman - he would have left traces behind.

Now who enjoyed watersports and had a wet-suit with him?
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Post  jassi on Sat 29 Aug - 9:27

Unless you hear it from their own mouths don't believe a word.

It all the work of Mitchell the Mouth - he's paid to dream up these soundbites and get them into the media.
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 10:43

String wrote:I bet there were thousands who were convinced Jaycee's parents were involved in her disapperance as well. Unfortunately for people who think like that, they were shown up to be the callous, mocking, damaged people that they are.


Statistically , they should have been , What did the Dogs find there I wonder,
and did Jaycee's parents , need the services of a spin Doctor
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 11:38

magicslipper wrote:But no cadaver scent was smelt near Jaycee's parents nor did they smile happily and court the press or leave Jaycee alone aged 3, huge differences in my book

a lot of differences, between the 2 cases, imo,
i cannot understand how any parent would be inspired to learn that your child maybe being held captive, for god knows how many years, and raped and hell knows what esle?... how is this not coming to any harm?
but as i dont believe maddie was abducted, i just feel angry that the mccs, can say somthing like this.. and the mccs believers can think oh yes so there is hope that maddie is alive.. but are they thinking at what cost to maddie what do they think maddie will be going through?
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Post  jassi on Sat 29 Aug - 11:40

I'm not making any accusations, but I haven't yet seen anything in the news that exonorates anyone .
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as above

Post  halfamo on Sat 29 Aug - 11:59

I among many others will never understand this bizarre fantasy world the Mcs seem to live in.For someone to believe that a child taken by paedophiles is living in la la land being looked after by happy smiley paedophiles ,beggars belief,more so when you consider the profession of these parents .
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Post  fishie on Sat 29 Aug - 12:04

OMG I've just heard on the news that the couple are denying all of the charges!
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 12:10

Also,this particular abduction was witnessed,she was snatched from a bus stop and chase was given,but they got away. There was no bundle/swarthy/spotty/pig/eggmen in sight. No boats,no posh lookalikes,in short a CONFIRMED abduction,and from whats reported,she wasnt treated like a princess either.
Everyone of course cant fail to be pleased she has returned alive,and you cant blame the abduction supporters for taking heart from this,but in the case of Madeleine,there not even proof she was abducted yet.
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 12:10

With regard to the post about an ' abductor ' not leaving any traces of DNA Evidence which as another poster has pointed out is well nigh impossible and also in my opinion scientifically improbable. If the ' abductor ' didn't leave any traces then he would have had to be wearing a ' coverall ' so why was the 'man seen ' by Jane Tanner not wearing one as I'm pretty certain that the ' abductor ' would not have had time to change back into shirt trousers and jacket given the ' small window of opportunity ' that the Mc Canns themselves acknowledged was available to the ' abductor ' ? ( reference to the small window of opportunity taken from the case files ) Best wishes Rose xx Ps. Excellent post Carly
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Post  fishie on Sat 29 Aug - 12:16

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eddie wrote:Really? I don't think so....The PJ looked at all DNA samples taken.
None were unaccounted for.

there were a number of samples that were never identified. it was all in the PJ report. if anyone has a link to an English Language copy i can find the references.

whether these bleong to an abductor or not, of course cannot be stated.

its certainly true that its likely an abductor would have left some trace somewhere, the question is whether it was found since the proper forensic examination didn't take place until some weeks after the event. at which time they were only able to find tiny samples of anything (hence the material being unidentified in most cases, and requiring low copy analysis). there were no significant samples of the mccanns found in the flat, and they lived in there for a week.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

It's all there.hth
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Sat 29 Aug - 12:18

MoondampRoses wrote:With regard to the post about an ' abductor ' not leaving any traces of DNA Evidence which as another poster has pointed out is well nigh impossible and also in my opinion scientifically improbable. If the ' abductor ' didn't leave any traces then he would have had to be wearing a ' coverall ' so why was the 'man seen ' by Jane Tanner not wearing one as I'm pretty certain that the ' abductor ' would not have had time to change back into shirt trousers and jacket given the ' small window of opportunity ' that the Mc Canns themselves acknowledged was available to the ' abductor ' ? ( reference to the small window of opportunity taken from the case files ) Best wishes Rose xx Ps. Excellent post Carly

which one moon ?
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Post  kitti on Sat 29 Aug - 12:31

We ALL saw the size off the window the supposed abductor had to fit through.

NO WAY could this person off got through that window WITHOUT touching the sides with his/her clothes unless he/she was naked. NO WAY.

There were NO fibres or dna on the window, the frame etc....so tell me HOW DID THIS PERSON GET OUT WITHOUT TOUCHING THE SIDES?

You will be saying next HE/SHE was naked, put the child down after going thro the window (hence the smell off cadaver in flower bed) then dressed, i'm waiting for someone to say this, i need a good laugh this morning.
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Post  kitti on Sat 29 Aug - 12:32

Was there NO DNA in the bed that madeleine was supposed to have slept in for 5 nights?
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Post  Guest on Sat 29 Aug - 12:35

With regard to the OP about the young girl who was kidnapped, I have read that she has met with her family. They must be so pleased to know she is alive and safe. My heart goes out to this young lady and also her family. The extreme trauma they have undergone is to terrible to contemplate. The young lady has had to endure years of physical & emotional abuse, the family have undergone years of not knowing whether she would ever be found and the young ladies children have had to undergo years of emotional abuse being denied a proper upbringing and a real childhood. My heart goes out to them. I just pray that with help they can eventually start to heal and learn to enjoy a real and happy life. Keep them in your Prayers. Best wishes Rose xx
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Post  Justiceforallkids on Sat 29 Aug - 12:37

moon i just turned 30 im a year older then this girl i couldnt imagine having a 15 year old daughter now not in those circumstances i dont know how the mcanns see this as positive
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Post  kitti on Sat 29 Aug - 12:48

String wrote:I took it to mean that they were inspired that there was hope that they might get their daughter back like the parents of Jayceee. They will be far more aware than any of us what might have happened or might still be happening to their little girl. That in itself must drive them to near insanity.


Sting i dont think the mccanns will be waiting round for the next 20 years do you, they will be off on their next holiday.

Jaycee wasnt left alone in her house at 3 years old either, she was snatched off the street.


TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENCE CASES and SCENARIOS.
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Post  jassi on Sat 29 Aug - 12:51

Nellie wrote:
kitti wrote:We ALL saw the size off the window the supposed abductor had to fit through.

NO WAY could this person off got through that window WITHOUT touching the sides with his/her clothes unless he/she was naked. NO WAY.

There were NO fibres or dna on the window, the frame etc....so tell me HOW DID THIS PERSON GET OUT WITHOUT TOUCHING THE SIDES?

You will be saying next HE/SHE was naked, put the child down after going thro the window (hence the smell off cadaver in flower bed) then dressed, i'm waiting for someone to say this, i need a good laugh this morning.

Front Door.

Locked, according to Gerry's testimony.
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Post  jassi on Sat 29 Aug - 12:53

Nellie wrote:Abducted children and adults do bond with their abductors. This is how they cope, and often remain alive.

Their lives are not always everyday permanent hell. The Human spirit for survival is very strong in some people.

This girl will get lots of support, and I am very glad that she is alive.

And I am also very pleased that her stepfather has been vindicated. But I do wonder how he will deal with the people who accused him.

How has the stepfather been vindicated ?

Surely the complete story will only come out at the trial
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Post  jassi on Sat 29 Aug - 12:54

tyra wrote:
kitti wrote:We ALL saw the size off the window the supposed abductor had to fit through.

NO WAY could this person off got through that window WITHOUT touching the sides with his/her clothes unless he/she was naked. NO WAY.

There were NO fibres or dna on the window, the frame etc....so tell me HOW DID THIS PERSON GET OUT WITHOUT TOUCHING THE SIDES?

You will be saying next HE/SHE was naked, put the child down after going thro the window (hence the smell off cadaver in flower bed) then dressed, i'm waiting for someone to say this, i need a good laugh this morning.

What makes you think anybody climbed through the window?

I don't thin WE do, but that was the McCann story Mk 1.
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