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Post  Guest on Mon 31 Aug - 18:14

Hello navyblue, I just wanted to add that after re-reading your post I remembered something about David Payne and his statements. When he was re-interviewed as part of the second group interviews conducted by the Police here in England he didn't change his statement entirely but he did alter/amend quite a few parts of his original statement. Perhaps that's what gave rise to the speculation of people in the group changing their statements ? The altered/amended statement was on the 3as so it may have been in the rogatory statements in the DVD/Files Best wishes Rose xx
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 1:26

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_13240367

Oh my...there's an ex-wife....
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 2:08

The rape victim from 1976:

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/31/lkl-web-exclusive-another-garrido-victims-story/

On Larry King Live right now in US....
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 2:42

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JAYCEE: IS NANCY THE REAL MONSTER?

Tuesday September 1,2009

Nancy Garrido 'aided kidnap'

Tuesday September 1,2009
By Martin Evans

DETECTIVES investigating the kidnap of Jaycee Lee Dugard believe Nancy Garrido played as much of a role as her husband in the sickening case, it was revealed last night.



The woman described as “a monster” is thought to have been involved from the start, dragging 11-year-old Jaycee off the street 18 years ago, imprisoning her and subjecting her to unspeakable acts of sexual abuse.

Nancy, 54, faces even more charges than her convicted rapist husband Phillip and police believe she aided him every step of the way, showing no sympathy towards Jaycee and her two children. When Garrido, 58, was jailed for four months in 1993 for violating his parole, police think Nancy managed to keep Jaycee prisoner in his absence.

Neighbours insist that rather than being a submissive wife who was under his spell, Nancy was a deeply disturbed individual whose behaviour in public was even stranger than her husband’s.

Cheyvonne Molino, who lived near the Garridos, said she had seen Nancy out shopping with Jaycee earlier this year. “In some ways to me she is the real monster. She is a woman and should never have let this happen,” she added.

Nancy met her husband while visiting her uncle in a maximum-security prison in Kansas, where Garrido was serving 50 years for the abduction and rape of a woman in 1977.

The oddball pair married in prison and upon his release on parole in 1988 moved to his mother’s house in Antioch near San Francisco.

Detectives now believe that it was Nancy who grabbed Jaycee, now 29, and dragged her into a car near the youngster’s home in South Lake Tahoe, California, in 1991.

Jaycee’s stepfather Carl Probyn witnessed the abduction, and a sketch of the kidnapper produced at the time bears a striking similarity to the photo of Nancy taken following her arrest.

She has been charged with 16 counts related to Jaycee’s ordeal, while her husband faces 13 charges.

Meanwhile murder squad detectives continue to search the Garridos’ squalid home amid growing fears that they could have been responsible for a string of unsolved murders and abductions in the region.

Dogs trained to detect the scent of corpses were scouring the sprawling land behind the house and the property next door where Garrido had worked as a caretaker. Around 20 officers using rakes, shovels and chainsaws also combed the area.

Jimmy Lee, spokesman for the Contra Costa county sheriff’s department, said: “There is a larger story to it that we can’t go into right now.”

Police in nearby Pittsburg, where Garrido used to work, are also investigating possible links to a string of murders between November 1998 and January 1999.

A 15-year-old schoolgirl and three prostitutes were abducted and murdered in quick succession and their bodies dumped on industrial wasteland close to Antioch.

There are fears the Garridos could have been involved in the abduction of three young girls from the San Francisco Bay area in the late 1980s.

Michaela Garecht, nine, went missing in November 1988 from Hayward, not far from Antioch.

Just two months later 13-year-old Ilene Misheloff disappeared from the nearby town of Dublin, and later that year Amanda Campbell, four, went missing from Fairfield a few miles away.

One focus of the Jaycee investigation is why she did not alert anyone to her plight or try to escape. It is known that she worked for Garrido’s printing firm and had regular contact with customers.

Neighbours have also confirmed that Jaycee and her two children, Starlite, 15, and Angel, 11, left the property on occasions to go shopping and even attend parties.

One theory is that Jaycee developed a bond with her kidnappers but psychologists also believe she may have been acting to protect her children from reprisals.

It has been revealed that Jaycee has only just informed her daughters that she was the victim of kidnap.

Jaycee’s stepfather, Carl Probyn, said: “They thought he (Garrido) was their dad. They didn’t know Jaycee was kidnapped. She told them two days ago.”

The three are now being cared for by the FBI and are believed to be staying at a motel near San Francisco, where they have been reunited with family members including Jaycee’s mother Terry.

Her first words on meeting the woman she was so cruelly snatched away from 18 years ago are understood to have been: “Hi Mom, I have babies now.”

Mr Probyn said Jaycee and the girls would need lengthy therapy to deal with their situation.

He added: “It’s going to take years to debrief her. People don’t realise you can’t just change after 18 years.”

Jaycee’s captivity ended last week when Garrido was ordered to a parole meeting after arousing the suspicions of two female police officers.

The religious fanatic had been with Jaycee’s daughters at the University of California in Berkeley where he was trying to recruit members for his church.

Officers Lisa Campbell and Ally Jacobs became worried about the girls whom they described as being pale and robotic, and contacted the authorities.

The Garridos will appear in court on September 14.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/124153/Jaycee-Is-Nancy-the-real-monster-
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Post  Sprite on Tue 1 Sep - 5:51

magicslipper wrote:I heard on the news today that they are looking for bodies of three other schoolgirls who went missing in the area around the time Jaycee was kidnapped. May the pair rot in hell .

And using EVRD dogs - the McCanns wont like that.

(Whatever you do - dont mention the dogs!)
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 9:41

I wonder if the McCanns are still "inspired" by this case or do you think they wish they had bitten their tongues now instead of leaping straight onto this particular bandwagon?

From The Mirror

SHARED MADNESS KILLS MORALS

1/09/2009

If Nancy Garrido is convicted she will become one of the most notorious woman criminals of our age.

Her case is more similar to Rosemary West's than Myra Hindley's as it was in a domestic setting and apparently went on for years and was sexual.

It will be hard to understand why she did it. You have to look at this in the context of the power the male partner is able to exert at home, with the female partner becoming almost like a puppet.

Phillip Garrido could demonstrate such power in a number of ways. He had used violence and had a mental health condition which seemed to manifest itself in an ability to convince people he was doing God's business.

Because of the power of the male, the female partner gets caught up in his world of justification, of denial and of withholding moral disapproval.

Nancy Garrido does seem to fit into some of that pattern. The other thing is that some women are sexually attracted to children. They can exercise that attraction if they are in this world of a folie a deux - "madness" shared by two people - where it is normal behaviour. In that case it becomes more possible to behave in a way that you and I would never be able to.

Often when you remove them from the stronger male partner they suddenly see clearly and are overcome with remorse and self-loathing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/2009/09/01/shared-madness-kills-morals-115875-21639090/
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 9:49

Brumdog wrote:They were inspired that a child taken had been found alive weren't they? Not by the actions of her abductor.

Abductors Brumdog. NOT just one abductor. Just like the McCanns you fail to want to accept that a woman can be also involved in the abduction and sexual exploitation of a child. How on earth are the McCanns ever going to find their daughter if they are in denial of whom may be involved in the abduction of own their daughter. Has it never occurred to the McCanns that a couple like the Garridos maybe involved in the abduction of their daughter too?
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Post  jassi on Tue 1 Sep - 9:58

Schnuffel wrote:
Brumdog wrote:They were inspired that a child taken had been found alive weren't they? Not by the actions of her abductor.

Abductors Brumdog. NOT just one abductor. Just like the McCanns you fail to want to accept that a woman can be also involved in the abduction and sexual exploitation of a child. How on earth are the McCanns ever going to find their daughter if they are in denial of whom may be involved in the abduction of own their daughter. Has it never occurred to the McCanns that a couple like the Garridos maybe involved in the abduction of their daughter too?

Its difficult enough for people to accept the possibility of a single abductor.
More than one is just asking too much.
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 10:03

Brumdog wrote:
Schnuffel wrote:
Brumdog wrote:They were inspired that a child taken had been found alive weren't they? Not by the actions of her abductor.

Abductors Brumdog. NOT just one abductor. Just like the McCanns you fail to want to accept that a woman can be also involved in the abduction and sexual exploitation of a child. How on earth are the McCanns ever going to find their daughter if they are in denial of whom may be involved in the abduction of own their daughter. Has it never occurred to the McCanns that a couple like the Garridos maybe involved in the abduction of their daughter too?

Actually I was referring to the woman. She was, after all, the one described as abducting Jaycee was she not?

Seems you may have jumped at my post before trying to understand my point.

My apologies Brumdog.
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 10:38

jassi wrote: Its difficult enough for people to accept the possibility of a single abductor.
More than one is just asking too much.

I fully appreciate that fact jassi but one was led to believe the McCanns were leaving "no stone unturned" in the search for their missing daughter. Perhaps, some stones are just too much of daunting prospect to look under I guess. So much for determination, hmmm?
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Post  Susan on Tue 1 Sep - 11:37

Nellie wrote:
Schnuffel wrote:
jassi wrote: Its difficult enough for people to accept the possibility of a single abductor.
More than one is just asking too much.

I fully appreciate that fact jassi but one was led to believe the McCanns were leaving "no stone unturned" in the search for their missing daughter. Perhaps, some stones are just too much of daunting prospect to look under I guess. So much for determination, hmmm?

I don't see why there couldn't have been two abductors or why one of the couldn't have been a woman.

There could well have been a whole gang but there's no proof of one person let alone 2....
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Post  jassi on Tue 1 Sep - 11:55

Nellie wrote:
Ambersuz wrote:
Nellie wrote:
Schnuffel wrote:
jassi wrote: Its difficult enough for people to accept the possibility of a single abductor.
More than one is just asking too much.

I fully appreciate that fact jassi but one was led to believe the McCanns were leaving "no stone unturned" in the search for their missing daughter. Perhaps, some stones are just too much of daunting prospect to look under I guess. So much for determination, hmmm?

I don't see why there couldn't have been two abductors or why one of the couldn't have been a woman.

There could well have been a whole gang but there's no proof of one person let alone 2....

If one considers the way in which Madeleine would have been picked up out of bed, and the way in which the person seen by Jane Tanner, was carrying the child, then it is likely that Madeleine was handed to someone else, changing the position of her head from right to left.

As exiting by the window has been excluded, I am at a loss to see why alleged abductor should play pass the parcel with Madeleine and pass her onto someone else.
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Post  jassi on Tue 1 Sep - 12:01

What trail would that be then?
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Post  jassi on Tue 1 Sep - 12:14

Brumdog wrote:
jassi wrote:What trail would that be then?

The question was if a child had been abducted why would an abductor hand her to a second party, other than to overcome the physical difficulties of posting her through a window.

My suggestion was: It could be a move to dilute a trail.

Can you expand on your question because I'm not sure how to answer, sorry.

Sure. There was no physical evidence pointing to an abductor, let alone several, so there could be no trail to dilute.
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 14:13

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magicslipper wrote:I heard on the news today that they are looking for bodies of three other schoolgirls who went missing in the area around the time Jaycee was kidnapped. May the pair rot in hell .

And using EVRD dogs - the McCanns wont like that.

(Whatever you do - dont mention the dogs!)

Police 'cadaver' dogs find bone fragment during Jaycee Lee Dugard search

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6816846.ece
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 15:48

Some manifesto detail:


Link to entire document: http://www.scribd.com/doc/19208889/Garrido-Spiritual-Manifesto


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Post  jassi on Tue 1 Sep - 16:10

Certainly some of these things were done on the 4th - we have pictures that show it.
Perhaps if the police had been able to get on with a proper investigation instead of being leaned on by politicians and British Embassy staff, there might have been more answers.
Thats assuming that people would answer the questions of course.
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 16:41

I think the Mccanns are inspired by this case because the Garrido's got away with it for so long
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Post  Guest on Tue 1 Sep - 16:50

Brumdog wrote:You think the McCanns are abducting children and keeping them in outhouses?

I thought you were going for a "lie" down . ??
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Post  wjk on Tue 1 Sep - 18:50

Jeez, you just wonder what the final outcome of all of this is going to be.
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Post  lynn on Tue 1 Sep - 23:28

No other parents of an abducted child have come forward and say they have hope in light of the Dugard case. So this just shows how inhumane the McCanns are and they know exactly what happened to Madeleine.
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Post  Guest on Wed 2 Sep - 10:29

Nellie wrote:
lynn wrote:No other parents of an abducted child have come forward and say they have hope in light of the Dugard case. So this just shows how inhumane the McCanns are and they know exactly what happened to Madeleine.

Ben Needham's Mother has.

Can you provide an actual quote from Ben Needham's mother to support your claim because I have been unable to find one?
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Post  Guest on Wed 2 Sep - 10:35

Brumdog wrote:A us missing children's centre which produced an ageprogress picture of Jaycee four years ago, showing how she could look aged 25, also gave the McCanns a picture of Madeleine as she might look now. Ben's mother Kerry Grist-Needham yesterday said she hopes that Jaycee's discovery will inspire people to start looking for him again.

Kerry, 37, from Sheffield, said: "Ben was my first thought when I heard about Jaycee.

"Every day I think about what he looks like, and I know that when I see him now he'll be grown up.

"He's out there somewhere and just like Jaycee he can still be found,

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/08/29/new-hope-on-maddy-and-ben-115875-21632523/

Thanks Brumdog.
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Is This Jaycee Today?

Post  Guest on Fri 4 Sep - 19:40

There has been "talk" about a business card used by Garrido for his printing business. It has been said that there was a picture of Jaycee (as an adult) on that business card because she was involved with the business.

It is rumored that this is the picture:



I wish I could confirm it for you but, I can't. I know there is a tremendous amount of curiosity about how Jaycee looks today so I am sharing it with you. Take it for what it is worth....

I found the picture here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88549

YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJAlr450O4o
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Mind & Meaning: Dugard kidnap highlights one of last taboos

By Patricia Casey

Monday September 07 2009

The parents of Jaycee Lee Dugard must be overjoyed that their long-lost daughter has been found.

However, the focus is now on the two people who allegedly abducted and sexually molested her over the 11 years of her disappearance -- Phillip Garrido and his wife Nancy. She too is charged with sexually assaulting Jaycee.


Shock: The charges against Nancy Garrido are at odds with the typical maternal image of women

Of course it is not possible for anybody to determine at this point if Nancy Garrido is guilty as charged but the mere fact of such a charge is shocking and stunning the world.

Women are not thought of as sexually voracious, at least where children are concerned. The image of a paedophile is of an isolated, usually single man who lures his prey unsuspectingly into his dark and evil world. Just as the Victorians could not even consider the possibility of women being attracted to their own sex (and so lesbianism was never criminalised), modern society finds it almost impossible to consider the prospect of female child abusers and so discussion of the abuse of children by women may be one of the last taboos in our society.

The universal image of women as maternal and nurturing, Madonna-like and gentle, is so ingrained that the thought of them as sexually avaricious where children are concerned is repellent. Yet most psychiatrists will have a few patients who report sexual abuse by an an older female, sometimes a babysitter, sometimes a teacher but at times by their mother. This, the sexual violation by a mother, is horrifying and incomprehensible.

Yet history, including our own here in Ireland, has shown that women can at times be complicit or even dominant in the sexual abuse of others. Myra Hindley, Rosemary West, and the woman in the 'Roscommon case' earlier this year all involved females in the direct sexual abuse of children. Not forgetting the soldier Lynndie England, who became the face of Abu Ghraib prison for her abuse of male prisoners.

Victims

Because it is not spoken about, there is little information on how commonly sexual abuse by females occurs or on the profile of those involved. One study, now over 20 years old, suggests that about 15pc of male victims and five per cent of female victims were abused by women, while another study reports that among the totality of sexual predators, 25pc are said to be women.

However other studies, that are based on self-report rather than on documented legal information, put the proportion abused by females as much higher and on a par with the figure for males. There is conflicting information on the proportion involving a co-perpetrator.

Most female abusers have serious emotional problems, including difficulties with mature relationships, dependence on their partners and substance misuse. Contrary to earlier views, only a minority is psychotic.

Similar to the disbelief that priests and brothers could perpetrate abuse, it is recorded that up to 80pc of victims of female abusers are not believed. There is also evidence from research that in the backgrounds of rapists and sexually aggressive men there is an alarmingly high rate of alleged abuse by females, with figures of between 60-80pc being cited.

There is little information as to what motivates such behaviour in women, but some studies are emerging and show that those with co-perpetrators may be excessively dependent and act not primarily from their own motivation but under the influence of their partner.

Those acting independently may see their child, often an older son, as a mate and he becomes unwittingly cast in the spousal role. Others, particularly those abusing daughters, see the child as an extension of themselves. Many will themselves have been victims of sexual abuse and many have sexual identity problems.

Undoubtedly the case of Jaycee Lee Dugard, whatever the outcome, will generate much more discussion about the role of women in circumstances such as these. For most ordinary people, unaware of such evil in the world, another nail has been inserted in the coffin of innocence and our hallowed beliefs about motherhood and goodness have been challenged.

- Patricia Casey

http://www.independent.ie/health/mind-amp-meaning--dugard-kidnap-highlights-one-of-last-taboos-1879816.html
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