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Post  Panda on Fri 18 Nov - 17:51

18 November
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German neo-Nazi threat discussed at top-level
meeting


The alleged neo-Nazi cell
operated for more than ten years without being noticed by German security
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German security officials have been
meeting to discuss the threat from far-right groups, after a suspected neo-Nazi
cell went undetected for a decade and allegedly killed 10 people.

The Berlin gathering brings together ministers from the federal government
and the 16 German Laender (states).

Intelligence agencies and police have been criticised for failing to detect
the neo-Nazi group.

Newspaper revelations about its activities have shocked many Germans.

The existence of the cell only emerged this week when one alleged member
surrendered and two others reportedly killed themselves.

The two men, Uwe Mundlos and Uwe Boenhardt, were found dead in a caravan in
Eisenach in eastern Germany.

They had left behind a DVD in which they admitted to the 10 killings. The
dead allegedly included nine immigrants - eight from Turkey and one from Greece
- and a police officer.
Intelligence failure
The woman who handed herself in, Beate Zschaepe, was wanted in connection
with an armed robbery.

She had blown up her flat in the eastern city of Zwickau before
surrendering.
Germany's 16 states have
separate justice and security arrangements and have been accused of failing to
share intelligence on unsolved killings

The three are reported by German media to have had close links going back to
the 1990s.

Police have arrested another suspected member of the group - which called
itself the National Socialist Underground.

Detectives are reopening all unsolved cases stretching back to 1998 in which
possible racist motives could have been involved.

The neo-Nazi cell is also suspected of carrying out a bomb attack in Cologne
and a number of bank robberies.

Police and intelligence agencies from around Germany have been accused of
failing to share information.

German Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger told the
Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper she wanted to see the 16 German Laender merge
their intelligence agencies.

Earlier this week Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich said a national
database would be set up listing neo-Nazi extremists.








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Re: German Neo Nazi Threat discussed at top level meeting

Post  malena stool on Fri 18 Nov - 23:38

They can set up as many data bases as they like, but in any democracy unless there is a system of equal opportunities in place for all persons living and working within a state to enjoy the fair results of their labours, extremist groups will continue to flourish among a disaffected population.

History has and will continue to show the collapse of great nations and empires is constantly brought about by the greed, duplicity, lies and depravities of those who abuse the power vested in them by the people.


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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Nov - 0:03

malena stool wrote:They can set up as many data bases as they like, but in any democracy unless there is a system of equal opportunities in place for all persons living and working within a state to enjoy the fair results of their labours, extremist groups will continue to flourish among a disaffected population.

History has and will continue to show the collapse of great nations and empires is constantly brought about by the greed, duplicity, lies and depravities of those who abuse the power vested in them by the people.


Hi malena, there"s a difference to being a disaffected population and a Nazi capable of the most dreadful atrocities as those committed
during the War. Germany will always have that stigma no matter how well they are doing now.

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Post  malena stool on Sat 19 Nov - 11:55

Panda wrote:
malena stool wrote:They can set up as many data bases as they like, but in any democracy unless there is a system of equal opportunities in place for all persons living and working within a state to enjoy the fair results of their labours, extremist groups will continue to flourish among a disaffected population.

History has and will continue to show the collapse of great nations and empires is constantly brought about by the greed, duplicity, lies and depravities of those who abuse the power vested in them by the people.


Hi malena, there"s a difference to being a disaffected population and a Nazi capable of the most dreadful atrocities as those committed
during the War. Germany will always have that stigma no matter how well they are doing now.
Hi Panda, that was my point, although perhaps it didn't come across well... Germany, was and still is a tremendously rich industrial power and and her people have let atrocities beyond belief happen in their name once because of their economy failing following WW1. Hitler wrongly but successfully heaped the blame for the state of their economy and the welfare of the German nation on capitalism and tragically the Jewish peoples in particular.

There will always be a tendency for any disaffected peoples to turn to a time when, in their belief or memory, things or times were better, even if the means of achieving these 'times of greatness' resulted in the deaths of millions.
Even today the ruling group and upper class populace of every nation on this planet remains virtually untouched by the collapse of the world's economy, that is fact. But millions die across the world of starvation and disease weekly, our own health and welfare system here in the mother of democracies fails daily to meet their responsibilities and nothing is done other than a new committee of very well paid members is set to to recommend unachievable rescue packages, taxes rise daily, value of our currency drops while we queue in shops.... I'm only surprised we don't have a real National Socialist Party ready to step into power here in the UK.

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Post  Panda on Sun 20 Nov - 23:56

Germany to compensate 'neo-Nazi' murder victims

One alleged member of the
neo-Nazi group, Beate Zschaepe, blew up her flat before handing herself
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Germany has agreed to compensate
families of victims of an alleged neo-Nazi cell accused of killing 10 people
over a decade.

The parliament, chancellery and presidency also agreed to hold a national
memorial service for the dead.

The killings have long been known as the "kebab murders" because many of
those killed ran snack shops.

Detectives have charged a woman and arrested another person in connection
with the case.

Chancellor Angela Merkel has called it a national disgrace, and questioned
how the group could have slipped under the radar when it was known to the
authorities.

Among the alleged victims were nine immigrants - eight from Turkey and one
from Greece - and a police officer.
'Solidarity'
Promising compensation, Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger
told reporters: "I fear that at the end of the investigation, we will uncover
more victims of xenophobia than we are aware of today.

"Even if financial help cannot undo the suffering, I will attempt to give the
victims' families a sign of our solidarity with compensation from my
budget."

The existence of the cell, linked to the National Socialist Underground
group, emerged when two alleged members of the group killed themselves.

The two men, Uwe Mundlos, 38, and Uwe Boenhardt, 34, were found dead earlier
this month in a caravan in Eisenach in eastern Germany.

They had left behind a DVD in which they admitted to the 10 killings.

Beate Zschaepe, 36, who had shared a house with the two men, has since been
charged with membership of a terrorist organisation. She had handed herself
in.

Germany's top prosecutor Harald Range said two other people are suspected of
helping the group.

Detectives are reopening all unsolved cases stretching back to 1998 in which
possible racist motives could have been involved.

The alleged neo-Nazi cell is also suspected of carrying out a bomb attack in
Cologne, in which 23 people were wounded, and a number of bank robberies.

The killings have reheated the debate in Germany as to whether to ban the
far-right National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD).

A previous attempt was rejected by the country's constitutional court in
2003.

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