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Post  Guest on Sun 1 Jan - 12:34

They were working to a script. Some of the props didn't fall into place as required, but the show must go on and the actors stuck doggedly to their lines. That's the only explanation I can think of.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 1 Jan - 13:38

Iris wrote:They were working to a script. Some of the props didn't fall into place as required, but the show must go on and the actors stuck doggedly to their lines. That's the only explanation I can think of.

Me too, Iris. I reckon Gerry was supposed to tamper with the shutters, but Jez Wilkins came along at an importune moment. The plan went ahead anyway, perhaps because Kate didn't get the message that it was not all lined up in place yet, and it had to go ahead, hoping that all those respectable doctors would be believed.

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Post  gillyspot on Sun 1 Jan - 13:54

Kate also mentions in her book that Gerry tried to open the shutters from the outside and found it was easy and quiet when he did it. From what I recall this is not possible but if it is in Kate's book it must be true of course

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Post  tanszi on Sun 1 Jan - 14:23

why was he trying to open the shutters when they had been jemmied and broken. they would not have worked, let alone easily and quietly.

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Post  marxman on Sun 1 Jan - 14:39

gillyspot wrote:Kate also mentions in her book that Gerry tried to open the shutters from the outside and found it was easy and quiet when he did it. From what I recall this is not possible but if it is in Kate's book it must be true of course

Hi Gillyspot, imagine, your child goes missing, the place
is in a mess. So,,,, do you run out franically looking and
calling for your child? or, do you, inspect the shutters
and its mechanics?
I think its a case of pre-empting possible forensic linkages.

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Post  HiDeHo on Sun 1 Jan - 14:59

Just to add a little regarding the topic of this thread (although the current discussion is interesting) I have just spoken to my brother and sister-in-law in UK.

Upon mentioning my videos and the controversial nature of them, I was totally shocked that they have not heard ANY indication of the possible parents involvement....despite saying they are interested in the case!

I explained that was the reason for my videos....to show the 'other side of the story' to the UK where the information is limited.

It was 'proof' to me that the McCanns have not only been successful but most 'Pro's' probably really do believe in their innocence, and apart from troublemakers, it is very possible that a good majority of the public that do not use the internet to research the case, honestly believe they were not involved.

This is where I find it sad to not have Pamalam's site to refer to specific pages.

mccannfiles is wonderful and fortunately is still available, but they are very different sites and each filled a certain need.

Both are packed with information but in a different format. I will truly miss Pamalam's site, but as I said before, we were able to use it for a long time and for that I am very grateful.

For those that are not aware of my Madeleine Forum, it is completely different to the well organised reference sites.

Mine is a 'topics' compilation and comparison site with discrepancy tables and statement comparisons, highlighted and easy to compare to others. Always a work in progress, but worthwhile checking to see if I have created an easier version of comparisons rather than seek each statement out individually.

When searching for information on a specific topic just Google the Madeleine topic and add 'aimoo' and it will probably bring you to a thread with all the info I have found on that topic...Random and often incomplete, but usually with different information and/or highlighted discrepancies and contradictions

http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com

Although saddened, I prefer to not be upset that Pamalam is taking a break....I want to thank her for the enormous resources she made available for the last few years, despite the problems and pressure she was under. Whatever the future...we couldn't have done a lot of the research without her!

Thanks again Pamalam xxx

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 1 Jan - 15:08

I'm in the U K too HiDeHo and am a bit surprised that your relatives have not heard anything to suggest that the McCanns might be involved. I don't buy newspapers and was not a great Internet user before 2009 but I certainly knew that there had been questions raised in the press until of course the McCanns sued for libel.

I agree with everything you have said about Pamalam and I do hope that she is still accessing this site.

Happy new year to everyone here.

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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Sun 1 Jan - 15:14

NBY I do believe that Pamalam is accessing this site, I posted a comment that upset her and the reply came via the very next post, the speed of her reply made me believe she does.

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Post  HiDeHo on Sun 1 Jan - 15:17

Not Born Yesterday wrote:I'm in the U K too HiDeHo and am a bit surprised that your relatives have not heard anything to suggest that the McCanns might be involved. I don't buy newspapers and was not a great Internet user before 2009 but I certainly knew that there had been questions raised in the press until of course the McCanns sued for libel.

I agree with everything you have said about Pamalam and I do hope that she is still accessing this site.

Happy new year to everyone here.

Maybe their interest in the case stops at reading the paper! I don't know as they had to rush out but I will be following through, more out of curiosity than anything.

I hope Pamalam is sat back right now...with champagne and orange juice in hand...giving a big sigh of relief and feeling proud for 'doing her part'.

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Post  HiDeHo on Sun 1 Jan - 15:28

Lillyofthevalley wrote:NBY I do believe that Pamalam is accessing this site, I posted a comment that upset her and the reply came via the very next post, the speed of her reply made me believe she does.

We all say things that we later regret....often we have the opportunity of editing those comments out.

It's very easy to carried away in the sinister possibilities of this case and though not meant to be taken personally, it very often is impossible not to believe otherwise.

Hopefully time to move on and not waste time and energy on anything negative.

I believe it is time to look forward to the future of this case...We are one year closer to the truth!

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 1 Jan - 15:37

I didn't know until now that Pamalam has a site in the above name with all sorts of things on it.

This link is to some funny pictures of cats. http://www.pamalam.co.uk/CAT.htm

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Post  NoStone on Sun 1 Jan - 17:01

Velvet wrote:Maybe I missed all the statement because I never followed the link, just read what was put on the mccannfiles. However reading the statement from Jon Corner I cannot see anything mentioned about the place being smashed. Could you show me a link, as I'm probably missing it.

Regarding McCann's, what makes you think they started acting up only when the police arrived? Rachel Oldfield says when interviewed by Leicestershire Police that in the first ten minutes when realising Madeleine had not been found Kate was 'really upset, she was hysterical, really distressed, screaming, there's no way she could have acted that, or anyone could have in fact, I don't think, not even an actress.' The same goes with Fiona Payne who says 'I've never seen such raw emotion in my life.'

I've read many times people trying to make it sound strange that Kate was screaming, smashing the bed and Gerry whaling on his knees. But again why would that be a point to make. If they are innocent they had just found out their baby had been taking, how are they meant to respond?

I have seen the video with Gerry saying 'f*ck off, I'm not here to have fun.' Though it is awful that he swore in front of children it was hardly a rant or losing his temper. His voice wasn't raised, he didn't have an aggressive stance. Just a foolish comment, which I'm sure he feels idiotic about now.

Don't get me wrong I agree with many other points you made. Why did Kate say the shutters were smashed when they weren't? Why did she say in her book it felt like they were the only one's searching but then like you say, she said they never physically searched for her?

Hello Velvet!

The Rogatory interviews, as we know, were undertaken some time after the event and we know how accounts morphed in that time - look how JT's account changed from a man carrying a bundle to her seeing the colour of PJ's - despite the fact that sodium lights would have masked the colours!

I am sure Rachel Oldfield's statement will be grounded in a good deal of truth even if the timing might be out a way. I am sure if your child was dead, there were incriminating circumstances and you might be on the verge of arrest, impriononment and ruin that you would become hysterical and start screaming. Like I said the body and emotions take over. Raw emotions might have many different sources.

I am a little curious as to your comment 'I've read many times people trying to make it sound strange that Kate was screaming'

Why trying are you implying that people are delibertately attempting to colour the Mc's in a particular light?? Well I can tell you this from the heart - IT IS STRANGE - your child is missing and all you can do is scream and bang your head against the wall?? No sorry - the girl might have wandered out and be in danger of falling in the pool or getting knocked down or something. You would run round and around calling out her name - asking people if they had seen a little girl - you would run and run until day break and then run some more.

But of course Kate did'nt need to do that did she? The shutters had been jemmied and she knew straight away that 'they've taken her'. Even if this was the case you would go and look for those nasty people and stop the getting away - afterall - they could not be far away because of the timings could they? You would ask in anyone had seen a person or persons carrying a child - putting it in a car - or child protesting at being dragged away.

But Kate did not do this did she?? She did not have to as she knew that searching was a lost cause - seearching would not bring Madeleine back to life. No - instead Kate banged her head against the wall and Gerry whailed. Both have been doing the same every since imo!

Happy New Year!

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Post  HiDeHo on Wed 4 Jan - 21:25

I have just heard that Pamalam has put her site back online...

Thank you SOOO much Pamalam!

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Post  Guest on Wed 4 Jan - 21:35

That's wonderful news.

A little time for reflection is often just the ticket for casting aside presures and doubts and remembering what the true purpose and the bigger picture is.

Bravo, Pamalam

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Post  platinum on Wed 4 Jan - 21:40

It doesn't seem to have happened yet. Hopefully it will soon.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 4 Jan - 21:57

Thank you, Pamalam!

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Post  tanszi on Wed 4 Jan - 22:41

yes Pamalam many thanks, a huge reference for us.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Wed 4 Jan - 22:42

Pamalam

Sorry I know that in these politically correct times, it should be "You are the person" but there isn't one that says that!

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Post  gillyspot on Wed 4 Jan - 22:47

Thanks Pamalam - You are the best!

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Post  Angelique on Thu 5 Jan - 0:18

Yes thank you Pamalam - I noticed earlier today that there was a link to the site on steelmagnolia - but is in a different format - many,many thanks!

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Post  Krisy22 on Thu 5 Jan - 10:08



Very much appreciated Pamalam

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Post  Annabel on Thu 5 Jan - 10:22

Thanks Pamalam!

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Post  Guest on Thu 5 Jan - 11:42

I can't see it :(

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Thu 5 Jan - 11:45

I've just accessed the home page okay.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/home.htm

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Post  Guest on Thu 5 Jan - 11:48

That's funny, I got 404 not found :(

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