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Post  Guest on Tue 3 Jan - 12:32

I got this from Jill's. I hope they don't mind me using it but they pinched my NN thread the other day! (It's okay guys, you're welcome, the more people that see it the better, IMHO!!! )

3 questions to...Gonçalo Amaral former Judiciary Police coordinator of investigations

Do you feel somewhat frustrated because the Madeleine case wasn't concluded?
Not exactly, in the Madeleine McCann case there was always plenty evidence and those are in the process. The solution to the Maddie case is in the process. I never had any doubts whatsoever of what took place that day of May 3, 2007. I didn't have doubts nor did the British police, the parents of the child were the ones who had doubts. There are more ideas of what happened in this process than in Rui Pedro's case.

How to prove the Judiciary Police thesis?
If a reconstruction of the events of that day had been enacted that would be enough. However Kate and Gerry McCann refused to participate. It's a shame.

Did you have many unsolved cases in the 30 years working for the Judiciary Police?
A few, not many. But I've spent most of my time working in drug trafficking cases. In the Azores, I got two unsolved homicide cases, but they were old cases of the 80's


.in: Diário de Notícias, January 2, 2012 - page 18, paper edition

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Post  Panda on Tue 3 Jan - 13:20




How to prove the Judiciary Police thesis?
If a reconstruction of the
events of that day had been enacted that would be enough. However Kate
and Gerry McCann refused to participate. It's a shame.
"

How many times have I said this and whose fault was it? I"m afraid I blame the PJ because the McCanns were in Portugal for 4 months and all the
OC staff would also have been available. The PJ rented the Apartment for a year in July 2007. The McCanns and Tapas 7 daren"t refuse because
Madeleine was still "findable" after 3 months .

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Post  Carolina on Tue 3 Jan - 20:46

Panda wrote:


How to prove the Judiciary Police thesis?
If a reconstruction of the
events of that day had been enacted that would be enough. However Kate
and Gerry McCann refused to participate. It's a shame.
"

How many times have I said this and whose fault was it? I"m afraid I blame the PJ because the McCanns were in Portugal for 4 months and all the
OC staff would also have been available. The PJ rented the Apartment for a year in July 2007. The McCanns and Tapas 7 daren"t refuse because
Madeleine was still "findable" after 3 months .

Sorry, Panda, you can't blame just the PJ for the fact that there was no reconstruction. There were many elements involved and a lot of diplomatic pressure which unfortunately prevented this from happening.

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Post  Panda on Tue 3 Jan - 21:16

Carolina wrote:
Panda wrote:


How to prove the Judiciary Police thesis?
If a reconstruction of the
events of that day had been enacted that would be enough. However Kate
and Gerry McCann refused to participate. It's a shame.
"

How many times have I said this and whose fault was it? I"m afraid I blame the PJ because the McCanns were in Portugal for 4 months and all the
OC staff would also have been available. The PJ rented the Apartment for a year in July 2007. The McCanns and Tapas 7 daren"t refuse because
Madeleine was still "findable" after 3 months .

Sorry, Panda, you can't blame just the PJ for the fact that there was no reconstruction. There were many elements involved and a lot of diplomatic pressure which unfortunately prevented this from happening.

Why does Amaral say it was because the McCanns refusal was the cause, that was a year later? Didn"t amaral also say he regretted not getting the
CCTV Camera taken from a hotel which apparently had shots of something inportant? The day of the Injunction Amaral"s Publishers released his
Book from a prestigious Book Store about Government Interference, was it sold in Portugal?

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Post  platinum on Wed 4 Jan - 21:35

It really was entirely the PJ who decided not to have a reconstruction in the very early days. Amaral says nothing of interference at that stage. He is very very clear that it was a discussion between the PJ themselves and the reasons for not doing the reconstruction were because they would have to close the airspace, the holidaymakers in PDL would be inconvenienced and there were too many journalists around.

And its a fact I think that the McCanns never refused to do the reconstruction at a later date. Why Goncalo Amaral has said this is a mystery to me because they didn't.

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Post  Guest on Wed 4 Jan - 21:49

"It is a fact I think" ???

Well is it, or isn't it?

If it is, please substantiate it.

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Post  matthew on Wed 4 Jan - 21:54

Hi platinum,you have a point....the mccanns were willing to go at a later date but only if the other tapas went...but unfortunately their friends were really busy with work & shopping etc & could not see the point in a reconstruction so alas....



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Post  Panda on Wed 4 Jan - 21:58

Actually the McCanns wanted a recon like Crimestoppers with Actors playing their part. When the recon was planned it was on the basis that all the Tapas group would attend . Rachel Mapilly emailed Stuart Prior asking if he thought they should go, he said he didn"t think much would be acheived so the Tapas 7 said they wouldn"t go which meant the McCanns didn"t dneed to attend.

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Post  flower on Wed 4 Jan - 22:04

matthew wrote:Hi platinum,you have a point....the mccanns were willing to go at a later date but only if the other tapas went...but unfortunately their friends were really busy with work & shopping etc & could not see the point in a reconstruction so alas....



Exactly.............. Had they been my 'Friends' - I can't even imagine what my thoughts would have been.............

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Post  jinvta on Wed 4 Jan - 22:17

I don't believe for a minute that the McCanns actually wanted to do the reconstruction. They used their friends to get out of it. Of course if the McCanns and their friends were truly interested in finding out what happened to Madeleine, the McCanns would have pleaded for their friends to attend, and the friends would have gladly helped. But, as we know, things did not go this way, as none of the tapas group or even the McCanns themselves, gives a $#!+ about finding out what happened to Madeleine. Why? Most likely because they already know, but don't want anyone else to know.

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Post  platinum on Wed 4 Jan - 22:19

matthew wrote:Hi platinum,you have a point....the mccanns were willing to go at a later date but only if the other tapas went...but unfortunately their friends were really busy with work & shopping etc & could not see the point in a reconstruction so alas....



It didnt depend on the friends for the McCanns.

This shows that they were willing to go back full stop.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm#oa9p139

Its right at the end of the page.


Public Ministry of Portimao
Case Section
Case 201/07 GALGS


Dear Sir
Public prosecutor


Kate Marie Healy arguida in the case referred to above, having been notified (page 3947) expresses her availability to participate in the reconstruction of the events on the second of the dates suggested, in other words on the 15 and 16th of next May. Her husband, Gerry McCann has also already expressed his availability.

Rogerio Alves
Lawyer

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Post  Panda on Wed 4 Jan - 22:26

Yes, they might have agreed..........after they knew the Tapas 7 were not going. I have seen the e-mails between Rachel Mapilly and Stuart Prior and in
fact mentioned this and other matters in a letter to him to which he never replied. He was after all supposed to be helping the PJ.

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Post  Guest on Wed 4 Jan - 22:27

No, not "full stop"

If, for example, they already knew their "friends" were unwilling and either had, or were going to, decline, then they can claim they are willing win the full knowledge that it wouldn't make it happen.

And I know full well that my comment is speculative, but it rather counters all these statements of "fact", I suggest.

Things taken in isolation often can be interpreted in different ways than if they were put into wider context.

It's the difference between accepting things at face value and actually looking at the wider picture.

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Post  matthew on Wed 4 Jan - 22:29

Hi,i agreed with you platinum...the mccanns were willing to go...but without their friends attendance.... the reconstruction depended on full attendance so basically was never happening & they knew it

but its there in black & white that the mccanns agreed to go


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Post  platinum on Wed 4 Jan - 22:29

jinvta wrote:I don't believe for a minute that the McCanns actually wanted to do the reconstruction. They used their friends to get out of it. Of course if the McCanns and their friends were truly interested in finding out what happened to Madeleine, the McCanns would have pleaded for their friends to attend, and the friends would have gladly helped. But, as we know, things did not go this way, as none of the tapas group or even the McCanns themselves, gives a $#!+ about finding out what happened to Madeleine. Why? Most likely because they already know, but don't want anyone else to know.

The Tapas group took advice from lawyers and from UK police about attending as I understand it. Their decisions were probably based on the advice they got. If I remember correctly Oldfield had already been put in the frame at the rogatories so its not surprising if he knew he wasnt involved he wouldnt go back. Nobody in their right mind would.

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Post  Guest on Wed 4 Jan - 22:30

Matthew, you said what I said so much more succinctly!

Edit: Panda, too

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Post  flower on Wed 4 Jan - 22:32

matthew wrote:Hi,i agreed with you platinum...the mccanns were willing to go...but without their friends attendance.... the reconstruction depended on full attendance so basically was never happening & they knew it

but its there in black & white that the mccanns agreed to go


Yes they did............ what fantastic 'Friends' they have too - NOT................

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Post  platinum on Wed 4 Jan - 22:33

The End Is Nigh wrote:No, not "full stop"

If, for example, they already knew their "friends" were unwilling and either had, or were going to, decline, then they can claim they are willing win the full knowledge that it wouldn't make it happen.

And I know full well that my comment is speculative, but it rather counters all these statements of "fact", I suggest.

Things taken in isolation often can be interpreted in different ways than if they were put into wider context.

It's the difference between accepting things at face value and actually looking at the wider picture.

Well the wider picture includes legal advice, advice from Prior and knowledge that the PJ had already tried to include Oldfield in the handling of the body of Madeleine and the attempt to get Kate to confess to the crime.

If the Tapas group knew they personally werent involved in anything illegal and believed the McCanns were not involved then why would they go against legal advice and possibly get themselves arguidoed for something they didnt do?

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Post  matthew on Wed 4 Jan - 22:34

The End Is Nigh wrote:Matthew, you said what I said so much more succinctly!

Hi,tein
just had to google succinctly

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Post  platinum on Wed 4 Jan - 22:35

None of this goes any way to explaining of course why the PJ didnt want to do a reconstruction in the early days. Because they had to close the airspace, because they would inconvenience holidaymakers. What a lot of tosh.

That decision was diabolical. It was a really bad error in my view.

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Post  flower on Wed 4 Jan - 22:38

platinum wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:No, not "full stop"

If, for example, they already knew their "friends" were unwilling and either had, or were going to, decline, then they can claim they are willing win the full knowledge that it wouldn't make it happen.

And I know full well that my comment is speculative, but it rather counters all these statements of "fact", I suggest.

Things taken in isolation often can be interpreted in different ways than if they were put into wider context.

It's the difference between accepting things at face value and actually looking at the wider picture.

Well the wider picture includes legal advice, advice from Prior and knowledge that the PJ had already tried to include Oldfield in the handling of the body of Madeleine and the attempt to get Kate to confess to the crime.

If the Tapas group knew they personally werent involved in anything illegal and believed the McCanns were not involved then why would they go against legal advice and possibly get themselves arguidoed for something they didnt do?

If they weren't involved and knew that.........then what harm would going back for a reconstruction do??.......... Surely it would only confirm their statements were correct??!!!.................

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Post  matthew on Wed 4 Jan - 22:39

flower wrote:
matthew wrote:Hi,i agreed with you platinum...the mccanns were willing to go...but without their friends attendance.... the reconstruction depended on full attendance so basically was never happening & they knew it

but its there in black & white that the mccanns agreed to go


Yes they did............ what fantastic 'Friends' they have too - NOT................

Hi flower

Under the circumstances i think they were being friends

if the tapas had fears of being made arguido...so what...they could just jump on a plane asap after the recon

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Post  tanszi on Wed 4 Jan - 22:39

if i wasnt involved in anything and i knew i wasnt, i would go for a recon, but thats me cos ive got nothing to hide.

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Post  platinum on Wed 4 Jan - 22:41

matthew wrote:
flower wrote:
matthew wrote:Hi,i agreed with you platinum...the mccanns were willing to go...but without their friends attendance.... the reconstruction depended on full attendance so basically was never happening & they knew it

but its there in black & white that the mccanns agreed to go


Yes they did............ what fantastic 'Friends' they have too - NOT................

Hi flower

Under the circumstances i think they were being friends

if the tapas had fears of being made arguido...so what...they could just jump on a plane asap after the recon

No they couldn't. Arguidos cant leave the country without permission.
The McCanns were actually given permission by the PJ or Judge to leave.

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