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Post  Guest on Mon 16 Jan - 8:02

Whilst avidly devouring last night's episode of "Sherlock", I could not help but be struck by ready comparison between the deviousness of the evil Moriarty in Selling The Big Lie and the tortuous web of obfuscation, confusion and disbelief that characterises the Madeleine Case.


He created scenarios that cast doubt upon the credibility of Holmes by causing others - even trusted friends and colleagues - to doubt him and distracted them from their initial suppositions about how several children were abducted.

And, of course, there was the dogged Detective who suffered greatly but never, ever, gave up and demonstrated his willingness to sacrifice everything, in the face of universal condemnation, to seek truth and resolution.

Anyone who didn't see it really should - some of the parallels were astonishingly close to what we have seen,heard and debated these past five years (almost).

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Post  the slave on Mon 16 Jan - 9:21

I thought exactly the same at one point last night. I wondered about Mark Gatiss and whether or not his dark imaginings have taken in this never ending tale of deception and obfuscation.
It was marvellous.
I love the new Sherlock.

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Post  yask27 on Mon 16 Jan - 10:09

Yes, the new version of Holmes is excellent and the last night's story did indeed produce some very interesting parallels, to say the least.

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Post  Panda on Mon 16 Jan - 10:47

I did not see Sherlock but just a minute ago on another thread commented on the incestuousness of the McCanns supporters. ie Murdoch...son-in-law
Matthew Freud , owner of Freud communications which employed Clarence Mitchelll for a while.

This is why I fear we will nev er know the truth about that happened on the night of 3rd May because there in no British Newspaper intrepid enough to
do some investigative journalism.

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Post  Guest on Mon 16 Jan - 11:38

Oddly enough, Panda (Good morning, by the way), there was a Journo in the plot and her actions were based upon the entirely false premise that the baddie (Moriarty) was, in fact, a down-at-heel jobbing actor in the pay of Holmes himself.

So the whole thing was predicated upon how the very first steps were implemented, the groundwork if you like - everything else that formed the lie was relative easy to carry off.

Ring any bells?

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Post  Panda on Mon 16 Jan - 11:56

The End Is Nigh wrote:Oddly enough, Panda (Good morning, by the way), there was a Journo in the plot and her actions were based upon the entirely false premise that the baddie (Moriarty) was, in fact, a down-at-heel jobbing actor in the pay of Holmes himself.

So the whole thing was predicated upon how the very first steps were implemented, the groundwork if you like - everything else that formed the lie was relative easy to carry off.

Ring any bells?

Morning TIEN,

I would say the first stone was cast by Tony Blair, who, within hours had summoned John Buck the British ambassador to Portugal to help the McCanns.

There was a rumour, and I stress a rumour , that Blair"s Daughter had been treated for alcohol abuse at a clinic in Scotland owned by a McCann.
John McCann lives in Scotland and if there was indeed a family connection then we are on a roll.

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Post  Guest on Mon 16 Jan - 12:14

Not heard that snippet before - but there has to be something unseemly behind it all.

Pity Sherlock is fiction. Mind you, we're well used to fiction











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Post  almostgothic on Mon 16 Jan - 13:06

OK, I have a confession to make.
Although I consider myself willing to embrace the experimental and avant-garde in all things artistic, I occasionally get a tad tetchy when I hear of something taken right out of geographical, and especially chronological, context. So on hearing of a modern-day Holmes series I decided to give it a miss.

Well, SILLY BL**DY ME.

I just watched it on iPlayer, It was beautifully written and stylishly produced. Thank you TEIN, for bringing it to our attention, enabling me to re-evaluate my initial misgivings.

And yes, it was fascinating to see journo Kitty Riley as a helpmate in the plot, not just a recorder of the story.
I wonder if she did a round-the-world-trip after that ......

There were some great lines in there, like 'the lie that's preferable to the truth' and when Sherlock says Moriarty is insane, he replies: "You’re just getting that now?"

Here is the one that stuck in my head. Does it apply to us and the 'situation we find ourselves in'?

James Moriarty: You’re ordinary. You’re on the side of the angels.
Sherlock Holmes: Oh, I may be on the side of the angels … but don’t think for one second that I am one of them.


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Post  Guest on Mon 16 Jan - 13:17

Well I'm glad you're a convert!

I also missed the entire first Series on the grounds it would be a poor imitation of the real thing, but relentless critical acclaim and an otherwise boring evening in prospect caused us to watch Series 2 Episode 1 ............ and what a revelation.

Everything about it is stylish and entertaining and I strongly suspect Sir Arthur would be chuffed to his moonboots.


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Post  Autumn on Mon 16 Jan - 13:49

Panda wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:Oddly enough, Panda (Good morning, by the way), there was a Journo in the plot and her actions were based upon the entirely false premise that the baddie (Moriarty) was, in fact, a down-at-heel jobbing actor in the pay of Holmes himself.

So the whole thing was predicated upon how the very first steps were implemented, the groundwork if you like - everything else that formed the lie was relative easy to carry off.

Ring any bells?

Morning TIEN,

I would say the first stone was cast by Tony Blair, who, within hours had summoned John Buck the British ambassador to Portugal to help the McCanns.

There was a rumour, and I stress a rumour , that Blair"s Daughter had been treated for alcohol abuse at a clinic in Scotland owned by a McCann.
John McCann lives in Scotland and if there was indeed a family connection then we are on a roll.

Yes Panda it is thought the owners, Peter and Margaret McCann, are related to Gerry.

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Post  Autumn on Mon 16 Jan - 13:52

Castle Craig Hospital

Castle Craig Hospital is a drug and alcohol addictions rehab residential clinic located in the Scottish Borders south of Edinburgh. It is the largest addiction treatment hospital in the UK and since its founding in 1988 it has treated over 10,000 patients. It is based in 50 acres of private parkland near the town of Peebles.
Treatment is based upon the 12 step, abstinence based model of care which recognises addiction as a disease and abstinence from all drugs is essential for long-lasting recovery. The treatment programme at Castle Craig is led by a Medical Director and Consultant Psychiatrist, and provides medical treatment, psychiatric therapy and complementary therapies.
Castle Craig is a major contractor to the National Health Service and is recognised by the major medical insurers in the UK. Many insurance companies from other countries also fund the treatment. Castle Craig is a recognised part of the Dutch health care system.[1]
[edit]History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Craig_Hospital

Castle Craig is a category B listed building, built over two hundred years ago by the Earl of Hyndford, the Chief of the Carmichael clan.[2] It was first mentioned in 1170 when it was confirmed to Bishop Engelram of Glasgow by Pope Alexander III.[3] The founders of Castle Craig Hospital, Peter McCann and Dr. Margaret Ann McCann, first founded a treatment centre at Clouds House in Wilshire, England, in 1983, before opening Castle Craig in 1988.[4]
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^ http://www.addictiontoday.org/addictiontoday/2008/06/castle-craig-ho.html
^ http://www.castlecraig.co.uk/about_us/history.aspx
^ http://www.archive.org/stream/originesparochia01bann/originesparochia01bann_djvu.txt
^ http://www.eata.org.uk/about/board-of-trustees/
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Castle Craig addiction rehab clinic
Coordinates: 55.6842°N 3.37499°W
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Post  Autumn on Mon 16 Jan - 14:01


See about Us then Key Staff

A few McCanns connected to Castle Craig

Castle Craig Hospital
Directors
Peter McCann MA, ICADC Chairman
Dr Margaret Ann McCann, MB Bch BAO Medical Director
Dr. Michael G. McCann , MD , MA , DIH, MFOM Director
John L McCann BA ACIS Financial Director/Administrator

Castle Craig Hospital is located in 50 acres of grounds in the Scottish Borders. It is a residential hospital for the inpatient treatment of alcoholism and drug addiction. The hospital is registered with the relevant statutory body, namely the Scottish Care Commission. It is a major contractor to the National Health Service and is recognised by the major medical insurers in the U.K. Many insurance companies from other countries fund the treatment at Castle Craig. The hospital is a Preferred Provider to the U.S. Government under the Tricare programme and it is also recognised by the Dutch insurance companies.


Here is something that Peter McCann wrote last year. It might lend weight to rumours about cabinet members and family members having used Castle Craig. See what you think:

"We also read today, about the inappropriate way that Liberal Democrats covered up on their former leader’s alcoholism. This is a typical response we see throughout industry and institutions when members of organisations try to cover up for their sick colleagues. It is quite disgraceful that politicians weld so much power while addicted and when their judgment must be warped. This applies to all political parties. Addiction must be confronted at all times and “tough love” applies to politicians just as much as to doctors, lawyers and family members. "


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Post  Autumn on Mon 16 Jan - 14:06




Castle Craig has a branch in The Netherlands and Gerry worked in that country for a while - did he work there?

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Post  Panda on Mon 16 Jan - 14:23

Thanks Autumn....award yourself a Medal for that find

I"m going to open a file to save all this and see if we can build a picture.....must be facts though.!!! We have to PROVE Gerry is related , I thought it might be that John McCann might be the one, but he was working at Astra Seneca when Madeleine disappeared

One othe rumour which might be relevant, Gerry was/is a Fundraiser for the Labour Party and obviously know the Blairs and Browns before PDL. If this
is true, he would have thought of Castle Craig and arranged for Blairs' daughter to attend. This would also explain Tony Blair' immediate help when Madeleine went missing .

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Post  kitti on Mon 16 Jan - 14:26

It's not a case off journos doing their job, they have done there job but they don't want to print it.



Hot lips Healy .....if they found that out they have plenty more unless off course GM was a virgin when he married ...


They already know the truth but are too scared to put it in print.

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Post  ann_chovey on Mon 16 Jan - 14:27

http://www.public-interest.co.uk/aseye/#Tony

On or around Thursday 13th May 2004 Tony Blair's 16 year old daughter Kathryn attempted to commit suicide. She is in the middle of exams, believed to be GCSE's and took an overdose of unknown pills. She was rushed to hospital and a news blackout was requested by the PM's office and adhered to by the British Press. Katherine is believed to be studying at the Sacred Heart school in Hammersmith, West London, a Roman Catholic state secondary school.

News about the suicide attempt was confirmed by Alan Johnson, Labour MP for West Hull and Hessle.

So, was this a sudden pang of concience from the British tabloids over sensitive reporting of the PM's family? Or the establishment press (yes even the tabloids are owned by the establishment) kow-towing to protect the flagging public image of the most disasterous Prime Minister this country has ever seen just before local and European Elections?

In a democracy, the public have a right to know about the family failings of anyone in public office - it enables them to judge whether to vote for that individual or not. When that failing family is the Prime Ministers the press have a duty to inform the public - not to protect politicians' images from public scrutiny.

You can comment on the news blackout here:


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Post  Guest on Mon 16 Jan - 14:27

This is what I like about how (polite) Forums work - from one remark an entire new line of potential interest arises and there's always someone who'll pick up the ball and run with it. Champion

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Post  Panda on Mon 16 Jan - 14:35

kitti wrote:It's not a case off journos doing their job, they have done there job but they don't want to print it.



Hot lips Healy .....if they found that out they have plenty more unless off course GM was a virgin when he married ...


They already know the truth but are too scared to put it in print.

Hi Kitti, I"m thinking of a Foreign Publisher , that Guy from Australia, he would help,

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Post  Oldartform on Mon 16 Jan - 14:37

I don`t necessarily think that the dirt GM has on TB is to do with TB`s daughter because I think that was common knowledge anyway. Yet it maybe to do with what the daughter has said during counselling sessions and is on file at the clinic. Or the dirt may be to do with GM`s knowledge about kiddie fiddling amongst the cabinet.

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Post  Panda on Mon 16 Jan - 14:41

ann_chovey wrote:http://www.public-interest.co.uk/aseye/#Tony

On or around Thursday 13th May 2004 Tony Blair's 16 year old daughter Kathryn attempted to commit suicide. She is in the middle of exams, believed to be GCSE's and took an overdose of unknown pills. She was rushed to hospital and a news blackout was requested by the PM's office and adhered to by the British Press. Katherine is believed to be studying at the Sacred Heart school in Hammersmith, West London, a Roman Catholic state secondary school.

News about the suicide attempt was confirmed by Alan Johnson, Labour MP for West Hull and Hessle.

So, was this a sudden pang of concience from the British tabloids over sensitive reporting of the PM's family? Or the establishment press (yes even the tabloids are owned by the establishment) kow-towing to protect the flagging public image of the most disasterous Prime Minister this country has ever seen just before local and European Elections?

In a democracy, the public have a right to know about the family failings of anyone in public office - it enables them to judge whether to vote for that individual or not. When that failing family is the Prime Ministers the press have a duty to inform the public - not to protect politicians' images from public scrutiny.

You can comment on the news blackout here:


Mucho Gracias ann_chovey........I can see us in Bali now.

UUUM...my normal way of saving is to copy and paste but this is too long. If I just post the thread will all this info show up?? O.K. stop laughing.!!

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Post  kitti on Mon 16 Jan - 14:47

2010 was the last time Mike Hitchen published something about Madeleine McCann.....it was about 'mother off the year' Kate McCann.

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Post  Panda on Mon 16 Jan - 14:48

Oldartform wrote:I don`t necessarily think that the dirt GM has on TB is to do with TB`s daughter because I think that was common knowledge anyway. Yet it maybe to do with what the daughter has said during counselling sessions and is on file at the clinic. Or the dirt may be to do with GM`s knowledge about kiddie fiddling amongst the cabinet.

Hi Oldartform,

We are trying to establish whether any of the McCanns at Castlecraig is related to Gerry......that is the first link in the chain to establish the reason
for the inordinate help the McCanns have received.

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Post  ann_chovey on Mon 16 Jan - 14:49

Panda wrote....UUUM...my normal way of saving is to copy and paste but this is too long. If I just post the thread will all this info show up?? O.K. stop laughing.!!.


Dunno, I'm not v. computer savvy....just found this via google as I remembered when you mentioned the Castle Craig thing re Kathryn Blair.

I'd best get up to speed or we'll never make Bali......

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Post  Guest on Mon 16 Jan - 14:49

kitti wrote:2010 was the last time Mike Hitchen published something about Madeleine McCann.....it was about 'mother off the year' Kate McCann.


I've just spat my tea out - and not in a good way.

What sort of humanity gives accolades to those who neglect children (or at least tell us they do)?

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Post  kitti on Mon 16 Jan - 14:55

Madeleine McCann: Vacancies - BBC. Mother required for radio program. No skill expected
The BBC has a vacancy for a mother to take part in a radio interview to promote Mothers Day.

* Proven track record in responsible parenting is undesirable

* Must be prepared to leave three toddlers alone every night whilst on holiday

* The successful applicant must be able to ensure that unsupervised two year old children, sleep soundly even through a 8.8 magnitude earthquake

* Those who have had a child go missing and then refused to cooperate with investigating police, will be given preference over those who have physically searched for a missing child till they almost dropped from exhaustion

* Must prefer jogging and collecting friends from airports to searching for their missing child

* Experience in neglecting the legal and moral obligation to safeguard the welfare and wellbeing of their children, is essential

* Experienced in fund raising

* Proven track record in employing those later indicted overseas on charges of alleged money laundering

* The successful candidate must have the ability and desire to appoint the best lawyers and PR consultants to protect themselves and their friends, and the worst, most inexperienced private investigators to find the daughter they chose not to leave in the protective care of any responsible adult - not even family or friends.

* Successful candidate must be a white middle class professional, well connected and be able to protect their reputations by feeding the right media stories, to the right people, at the right time. Please note, if you are working class, live on a council estate, have no influential contacts and fit any of the other requirements listed above, you can still apply to appear on our program on 'Deadbeat Parents' after which we will report you to social services.

The BBC is an equal opportunity employer - though it must be remembered that in true BBC tradition, some are more equal than others






Nice to go down memory lane, sometime.


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