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Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Oldartform on Sun 22 Jan - 13:43

I often wonder if they do - just to make sure they haven`t missed anything. When you look at all the info available on sites like this and Joana`s, Jill`s, etc., they`d be daft not to make use of these resources.


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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Guest on Sun 22 Jan - 13:54

I'd be surprised if they dip into the ether unless for a specific reason - let's face it, they should have access to all that we have and much, much more. And they can't all be dunderheads without analytical minds!

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Post  HiDeHo on Sun 22 Jan - 14:18

They may not gain any information from what has been released but there are many examples of discrepancies highlighted that could save them a lot of time to view.

I have spent, I wouldn't like to guess, probably hundreds of hours creating timelines/timetables which highlight the discrepancies in an easy to read format to compare their statements for specific times.

There is no question in my mind that it would save an enormous amount of time to view the comparisons for future research.

Whether they use them or even know they are available is anyone's guess.

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http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/ALL-TIMETABLES-1-69278


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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  gillyspot on Sun 22 Jan - 14:23

We can only hope they do dip into the internet from time to time.

If I was an officer on the case I would do so. Remember the evidence in this case is not simply to be found in the police files but in media interviews given by the McCanns and others in the case

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Oldartform on Sun 22 Jan - 14:55

HiDeHo wrote:They may not gain any information from what has been released but there are many examples of discrepancies highlighted that could save them a lot of time to view.

I have spent, I wouldn't like to guess, probably hundreds of hours creating timelines/timetables which highlight the discrepancies in an easy to read format to compare their statements for specific times.

There is no question in my mind that it would save an enormous amount of time to view the comparisons for future research.

Whether they use them or even know they are available is anyone's guess.

All Timetables
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/ALL-TIMETABLES-1-69278


Yes, this is an excellent resource and would save them bags of time - though I suppose they would have to double check it all for corroboration but an excellent starting point for an over view.

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  marxman on Sun 22 Jan - 15:17

I would sincerely imagine that they would not
only monitor websites and forums but would
most likely be active within them.
As other posters have pointed out, it would
prove an invaluable resource as it has captured
endless evidence and analytical discussion
and leads that any investigation would find
constructive.
A few posters recently were not playing
'devil's advocate' but in my opinion were
gleaming information and gauging opinions.

Bye the way what happened Jodel?

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Oldartform on Sun 22 Jan - 16:13

marxman wrote:I would sincerely imagine that they would not
only monitor websites and forums but would
most likely be active within them.
As other posters have pointed out, it would
prove an invaluable resource as it has captured
endless evidence and analytical discussion
and leads that any investigation would find
constructive.
A few posters recently were not playing
'devil's advocate' but in my opinion were
gleaming information and gauging opinions.

Bye the way what happened Jodel?


That had crossed my mind as well. Would explain his/her obsession with `insufficient evidence`, staying totally controlled at all times but would not, IMO, explain his/her superior attitude - you`d expect a SY fisherman to act a bit more warmly if they wanted to glean info.


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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Lioned on Sun 22 Jan - 18:01

Here is a copy of the mission statement from SY re the Madeleleine Mccann case................

Please note how SY refer to the investigation remit as if the Abduction had occured in the UK !

Op Grange Remit

The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1.

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’. This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

• The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.
• UK Law Enforcement agencies,
• Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before.

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.

The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.

End

Here is the link if anyone wants to look.....http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

This is the first time i have looked for this and find it a little disturbing that they start from the presumption of an Abduction !


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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Guest on Sun 22 Jan - 18:12

Leveson also referred to Abduction as if it were proven and incontrovertible fact.

Truly disgraceful.

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Sun 22 Jan - 19:03

Does OG read the internet and blogs...

I hope they do, it would help them no end imo!

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  matthew on Sun 22 Jan - 19:19

Reading what 'nutters' say?? i guess we are the minority...we look into the madeleine case & do so without thought of financial gain
i would hope that the sy review, would at first start with the theory of abduction...then after they have seen that this is ludicrous(sorry),then take a look at the mccanns & co...although,surely they must know where all roads lead to anyway & that goes for cameron too

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Oldartform on Sun 22 Jan - 19:27

Using the word "abduction" worried me, but abduction doesn`t just mean taking away a live Maddie.

Abduct means `take away` or `take away forcefully`, so it doesn`t rule out the possibility that the parents abducted their own child, whether alive or dead.

It also says "the activity, in the first instance, will be an investigative review", so its only a review `in the first instance`.

Or am I clutching at staws?


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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 22 Jan - 22:08

HiDeHo wrote:They may not gain any information from what has been released but there are many examples of discrepancies highlighted that could save them a lot of time to view.

I have spent, I wouldn't like to guess, probably hundreds of hours creating timelines/timetables which highlight the discrepancies in an easy to read format to compare their statements for specific times.

There is no question in my mind that it would save an enormous amount of time to view the comparisons for future research.

Whether they use them or even know they are available is anyone's guess.

All Timetables
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/ALL-TIMETABLES-1-69278


Don't forget that the police team have stated that they are willing to receive and review any information from members of the public.
I do hope you have printed that all out and sent it off to them in the post!

Same goes to anyone else here!

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 22 Jan - 22:13

Lioned wrote:Here is a copy of the mission statement from SY re the Madeleleine Mccann case................

Please note how SY refer to the investigation remit as if the Abduction had occured in the UK !

Op Grange Remit

The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1.

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’. This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

• The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.
• UK Law Enforcement agencies,
• Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before.

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.

The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.

End

Here is the link if anyone wants to look.....http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

This is the first time i have looked for this and find it a little disturbing that they start from the presumption of an Abduction !


I think its logical to start with that premise as that is how the disapearence was first reported to them -as an abduction.

You have to remember that it was the british police that helped the portugese to develop the accidental death and coverup scenario,
so we do know what people behind the scenes really think. If they stated anything other than 'abduction' they would be sending a red flag to the Mccann's to start interfering. Also as it is an investigative review, that is being undertaken as if it happened in the UK is a positive as under UK law (Similar to the USA) the DNA Markers could be said to categorically match MM, it is Portugal which has the higher level of proof. Also acting as if it happened in the UK gives them more powers... including that of arrest!

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Post  Lioned on Sun 22 Jan - 22:25

Who are Gold Group Management ? This suggests SY are under the influence of some other organisation.And why the use of the word 'Stakeholder'.Sounds like some establishment control has been factored in.

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  T4two on Sun 22 Jan - 23:06

Lioned wrote:Who are Gold Group Management ? This suggests SY are under the influence of some other organisation.And why the use of the word 'Stakeholder'.Sounds like some establishment control has been factored in.


Apparently it's a command structure

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold%E2%80%93silver%E2%80%93bronze_command_structure

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Lioned on Sun 22 Jan - 23:08

Thank you.Just found it here.

http://www.mpa.gov.uk/committees/x-cop/2008/080605/08/

Terms of reference are interesting.

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Re: Does Operation Grange read internet websites & blogs?

Post  Oldartform on Sun 22 Jan - 23:31

Lioned wrote:Thank you.Just found it here.

http://www.mpa.gov.uk/committees/x-cop/2008/080605/08/

Terms of reference are interesting.

I notice it was brought in after the Stephen Lawrence investigation was found to be lacking.

"Its central aim is to consider the needs of the victim, family, community, the investigation and the vulnerability to the MPS."

I suppose it depends who they consider the victim is - will it be Maddie or will it be her parents? And I wonder if the MET are being totally open and transparent with them?




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