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Post  Panda on Mon 23 Jan - 11:55

Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very
intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without
screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep.
Fiona Payne in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

He describes Madeleine as being a communicative girl, happy, obedient and very well behaved.
David Payne in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

That Madeleine is very lively, obedient, communicative and extrovert.
Matthew Oldfield in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

Concerning
Madeleine, she is a happy child, good natured and full of energy. She
considers it impossible that a stranger could take her without her
shouting or crying. She is a smart child who knows right from wrong.
Rachael Mampilly in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

Madeleine
Beth McCann was a sensible child, very loving, very active and fun. She
liked to play. She was intelligent and the interviewee does not believe
that if a stranger approached her that she would not shout.
Jane Tanner in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

Without exception , they all say Madeleine would shout and scream if a stranger approached.......could she have been so drugged that she wouldn"t
wake up taken from her bed into the cold night air?? Kate admits Madeleine was a light sleeper and often woke up and slept in their bed.

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Post  margaret on Mon 23 Jan - 12:55

Panda wrote:
Madeleine
Beth McCann was a sensible child, very loving, very active and fun. She
liked to play. She was intelligent and the interviewee does not believe
that if a stranger approached her that she would not shout.
Jane Tanner in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07


Total lies, when you're 3 years old passing someone in the street would be akin to 'a stranger approaching you' - are we expected to believe Madeleine shouted everytime someone unknown to her walking towards her?

And why is the statement in PAST TENSE Jane Tanner?

She WAS a sensible child...
She LIKED to play...
She WAS intelligent...

Apart form the parents has anyone in this sorry sage lied more than her?

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Post  matthew on Mon 23 Jan - 13:50



Apart form the parents has anyone in this sorry sage lied more than her?[quote]

Yes,but some are better at lying than others...Jane tanners account of the 'truth' is at best unbelievable...
If madeleine was drugged as the mccanns & co would have us believe...wouldn't there be any evidence from the dry run(pigs flying) on say her toothbrush?...oh all the children shared one... or her pyjama top?(oh washed straight away because of a tea stain)...im sure i have missed more pre emptive quotes from the gruesome ninesome

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Post  Panda on Mon 23 Jan - 14:11

If someone kidnapped the sleeping Madeleine , wouldn"t he wrap her in a blanket , to a) wrap her up warm because it would have been quite cold outside and b) cover her up so no passing Resident could recognise her. Yet preversely, Jane Tanner and Oldfield were the only 2 who attended the recon.Jane
even cried .!!

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Post  Velvet on Mon 23 Jan - 23:43

You WOULD think the 'abductor' would want to cover her for both them reasons, especially the latter. You would also think this would be the same if it was Gerry carrying her too, why not cover her to conceal who she was?!!!

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Post  Oldartform on Mon 23 Jan - 23:58

Velvet wrote:You WOULD think the 'abductor' would want to cover her for both them reasons, especially the latter. You would also think this would be the same if it was Gerry carrying her too, why not cover her to conceal who she was?!!!

And, how come the child JT saw being carried had her head in the person`s left arm and feet in his right arm? Unless of course he changed her position after he`d lifted her up from the bed - maybe he had to so he could use his right hand to open the door.

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Post  Guest on Tue 24 Jan - 0:10

If she was so outgoing and confident, why would she be "cowering" waiting for her parents to come back?

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Post  Panda on Tue 24 Jan - 0:21

The McCanns couldn"t even get the documentary right. Smith says the reason he recognised the person he saw carrying Madeleine
was Gerry because he carried Sean from the Aircraft the same way ie, "sitting" position with his head resting on Gerry's shoulder. Jane Tanner has her version with the child carried in both arms the documentary shows a differnet position again.

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Post  LJC on Wed 25 Jan - 19:06

No, she would not cry or shout, whether she was drugged or not drugged. This is because I believe the abductor would have his big hand over her mouth to stifle any noise in the event she woke up. Even giving the benefit of the doubt and accepting she was sound asleep just through plain tiredness, I still think the abductor would have gagged her somehow.

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Post  NoStone on Wed 25 Jan - 20:53

LJC wrote:No, she would not cry or shout, whether she was drugged or not drugged. This is because I believe the abductor would have his big hand over her mouth to stifle any noise in the event she woke up. Even giving the benefit of the doubt and accepting she was sound asleep just through plain tiredness, I still think the abductor would have gagged her somehow.

How do you carry a struggling little girl and keep one hand over her mouth?? I find it hard to imagine!!

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Post  Velvet on Wed 25 Jan - 21:46

LJC wrote:No, she would not cry or shout, whether she was drugged or not drugged. This is because I believe the abductor would have his big hand over her mouth to stifle any noise in the event she woke up. Even giving the benefit of the doubt and accepting she was sound asleep just through plain tiredness, I still think the abductor would have gagged her somehow.

If she wasn't drugged, I would think gagging her would have woke her.

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Post  LJC on Wed 25 Jan - 23:11

I doubt there would be time to drug a child, plus twins to keep them quiet as well, as the McCanns claim. Surely then, if anyone is bold enough to keep lookout for hours as the McCanns claim, bold enough to then trespass/break-in to the apartment and then bold enough to abduct a child from her bed, and given the very short time span to do this according to the McCanns own timeline, surely the last thing the abductor would want is the plan to go wrong due to noise. Remember, there was no noise heard at all that night, not by Mrs Fenn, not by Gerry who claimed the abductor was hiding in the apartment whilst he was checking the children, not by any of the tapas friends who were listening at the window, not by Jez who was walking outside. No noise at all, and surely noise would have been greatly noticed, given the fact that the street outside was eerily quiet also. Therefore, to carry out this very audacious plan, perfect down to the last detail, the child would have to be kept quiet by other more basic/simple means?

I would imagine an abductor would hold the child upright in a forward facing position i.e. if it were Madeleine her back would be against his chest/torso, with one of the abductor's arms around her body with the other arm of the abductor firmly placed around her mouth. That is what I mean, And/or wide packaging tape being placed quietly and carefully over the mouth beforehand.

Either that, or the abduction idea is total rubbish.

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Post  gillyspot on Thu 26 Jan - 7:08

How about it was Gerry who the Smiths saw. He told his tapas friends so they made up a quick sighting by Jane Tanner. This would explain her improving memory

Also the fact that the way she said the abductor was carrying the child was the complete opposite of what the Smiths allege they. Perhaps Gerry was just entering 5A (knowing Madeleine was dead) when he saw Wilkins and turned around to make out he was leaving it. Spoke to Wilkins then retrieved Madeleine's body and went off to be seen by the Smiths.

As regards holding a hand or duct tape over Madeleine's mouth she would still be struggling and making some sounds so that is discounted IMO. She would have to be either dead, drugged or knocked (punched) out. I find the drugged scenario by an "abductor" almost impossible (unless they had the type of anaesthetic used in hospitals eg gas or needle) to see and how would they know how hard to hit her to knock her out without killing her

All in all I still can't see the abduction happening. The more I think about it the less I can believe it.



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Re: Tapas Statements ......Madeliene would shout and scream.

Post  Panda on Thu 26 Jan - 7:18

gillyspot wrote:How about it was Gerry who the Smiths saw. He told his tapas friends so they made up a quick sighting by Jane Tanner. This would explain her improving memory

Also the fact that the way she said the abductor was carrying the child was the complete opposite of what the Smiths allege they. Perhaps Gerry was just entering 5A (knowing Madeleine was dead) when he saw Wilkins and turned around to make out he was leaving it. Spoke to Wilkins then retrieved Madeleine's body and went off to be seen by the Smiths.

As regards holding a hand or duct tape over Madeleine's mouth she would still be struggling and making some sounds so that is discounted IMO. She would have to be either dead, drugged or knocked (punched) out. I find the drugged scenario by an "abductor" almost impossible (unless they had the type of anaesthetic used in hospitals eg gas or needle) to see and how would they know how hard to hit her to knock her out without killing her

All in all I still can't see the abduction happening. The more I think about it the less I can believe it.

Morning gillyspot, it only makes sense if Madeleine was dead when she was being carried. This explains why there was no struggle or need to keep her warm .



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Re: Tapas Statements ......Madeliene would shout and scream.

Post  gillyspot on Thu 26 Jan - 7:29

Hi Panda

Sadly I agree. In fact my thoughts on the case have brought me round to possibly believing in the Smiths sighting. In fact last night I was looking at the possible route the "abductor" would take if passing the Smiths & where he would end up.

Route: http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/400yardsmap2.JPG (notice opposite direction from the way Jane Tanner's "alleged" abductor walked.

Destination could be that rocky beach that Kate seemed to like sitting on so much.

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/3c/3a/18/the-rocky-beach-west.jpg

Would that be a good temporary place to hide a body?

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Post  Panda on Thu 26 Jan - 7:40

gillyspot wrote:Hi Panda

Sadly I agree. In fact my thoughts on the case have brought me round to possibly believing in the Smiths sighting. In fact last night I was looking at the possible route the "abductor" would take if passing the Smiths & where he would end up.

Route: http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/400yardsmap2.JPG (notice opposite direction from the way Jane Tanner's "alleged" abductor walked.

Destination could be that rocky beach that Kate seemed to like sitting on so much.

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/3c/3a/18/the-rocky-beach-west.jpg

Would that be a good temporary place to hide a body?

Wasn"t there talk of little coves along the beach........once Madeleine had been reported missing though, there would be no opportunity to then dispose
of the body because the McCanns were in the spotlightall the time. I believe the Smiths saw someone carrying a child, but it wasn"t Madeleine. The
Smiths could have made a statement while still in PDL, do you think it feasible that 3 months later, seeing Gerry carrying Sean down the Aircraft steps
Mr. Smith suddenly realised he was the same man who passed him in the dark ?

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Post  gillyspot on Thu 26 Jan - 7:58

Were the entire T9 under the spotlight or could one of the others in the party moved the body further away. I haven't seen a lot of photos of T7 and none in the evening/night. If JT was prepared to lie about an abductor then one other of them may be prepared to do this.

I agree regarding the Smiths I have been wary of their sighting because of the possible Murat connection.

"The family are also mystified at reports that he knows Mr Murat. 'They met once in a bar about two years ago. My dad would only know Mr Murat by sight,' said the family member. 'However, from what he knows, he can say that the man who was carrying the child was not Robert Murat.'

http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/2010/12/martin-smith-courted-british-press.html

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Post  Panda on Thu 26 Jan - 8:21

rish family's Maddie quiz, 03 January 2008

Irish family's Maddie quiz The Sun

From: VERONICA LORRAINE in Praia da Luz
Published: 03 Jan 2008

PRIVATE detectives hunting for Madeleine McCann are to quiz an Irish family who may have been the last to see her alive.

Martin
Smith, his wife and children told cops they saw a man carrying a
little blonde girl in Praia da Luz on the night Maddie vanished.

Investigators
from the Metodo 3 agency hired by Maddie's parents Gerry and Kate are
preparing to travel to Ireland to interview them.

The
family, from Drogheda, Co Louth, believe they saw the man taking the
sleeping tot down to the beach at the Portuguese resort.

The Smiths were leaving Kelly's Bar — 400 metres from the McCanns' apartment — between 9.50 and 10pm on May 3 last year.

They
flew home to Ireland the next day, but when the times of Maddie's
abduction were revealed, the family remembered seeing a man, 5ft 7in to
5ft 9in tall and dressed in beige, carrying the child.

Significantly the description matches that given by Jane Tanner, 37, a friend of the McCanns.

Mr
Smith, who has already spoken to Portuguese cops over the sighting,
said yesterday: "I'd talk to anyone to move this investigation on. I
think about Maddie every day."

He added: "I found the Portuguese cops not to be the most efficient bunch."

His
wife Mary, 59, said: "We saw a man carrying a blonde child. It was just
such a normal thing to see in a holiday resort — we didn't think
anything of it at the time."

The Sun reported on
Monday how Metodo 3 — which is costing the Find Madeleine Fund £300,000
— plan to blitz Morocco after several leads pointed to the country.


gillyspot.......I wouldn"t rely on this Sun Report, for starters it was Brian Kennedy who went to Morocco, secondly the Smiths were interviewed by the Irish Garda and Mrs smith declined to make a Statement, which suggests she was not certain about what she saw.

I just watched a video on that page and for the first time Kate really breaks down. I don"t know how to transfer it to here, it"s on the same page as the Sun Article and Kate is talking about how
Madeleine says ....'why didn't you come'. Can you post it here?


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Post  gillyspot on Thu 26 Jan - 9:13

Hi Panda

I can't find the video on the Sun's page so could you let me have the page you have been looking at

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article643970.ece

Why do you think that "Mrs smith declined to make a Statement, which suggests she was not certain about what she saw. " as in Martin Smith's second statement he says "During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

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Post  Panda on Thu 26 Jan - 9:22

gillyspot wrote:Hi Panda

I can't find the video on the Sun's page so could you let me have the page you have been looking at

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article643970.ece

Why do you think that "Mrs smith declined to make a Statement, which suggests she was not certain about what she saw. " as in Martin Smith's second statement he says "During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

gillyspot, it"s on the same page of this link you gave , second video down on the right hand side. The Smiths were interviewed by the Garda in Ireland
some time after their return from PDL. Mr Smith reiterated his statement but Mrs Smith declined to make a statement, which suggests she wasn't sure.


http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/2010/12/martin-smith-courted-british-press.html

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Post  gillyspot on Thu 26 Jan - 9:35

I can't see the refusal of Mary Smith anywhere and the link I gave from the PJ files was from the very bottom of the page.

From the media link I provided I found this

"I rang the Portuguese police and they took a statement from me on the phone.Then they asked me to make a statement to gardai, which I did in Drogheda two weeks after the disappearance.

"Two days later, Leicestershire police got on to us and said they wanted to speak to all nine of us. But we felt there was no point dragging grand children and the whole lot out to Portugal so just my eldest son, Peter, and youngest daughter, Aoife, and I flew to Luz to make a statement."

I can't see that as being a refusal as perhaps Mrs Smith was looking after the grandchildren.

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Post  Panda on Thu 26 Jan - 10:01

gillyspot wrote:I can't see the refusal of Mary Smith anywhere and the link I gave from the PJ files was from the very bottom of the page.

From the media link I provided I found this

"I rang the Portuguese police and they took a statement from me on the phone.Then they asked me to make a statement to gardai, which I did in Drogheda two weeks after the disappearance.

"Two days later, Leicestershire police got on to us and said they wanted to speak to all nine of us. But we felt there was no point dragging grand children and the whole lot out to Portugal so just my eldest son, Peter, and youngest daughter, Aoife, and I flew to Luz to make a statement."

I can't see that as being a refusal as perhaps Mrs Smith was looking after the grandchildren.

Could it be in mccannfiles? I definitely remember reading it and thought at the time that after so many months when the Garda visited the family at their
home Mrs Smith did not want the publicity and was unsure about what she saw.

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