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Post  oversoon on Fri 2 Mar - 0:27

The falling from the couch theory is the most innocent and convincing.

However, I wondered how Gerry could wonder down the street with a dead child who would obviously have signs of a deathly blow from such a fall ( if one were to believe the Smith family's sighting were a cohesive part of what happened ). When I looked for the image of Gerry coming off the easyjet plane( carrying Sean in the same way as the Smith's had witnessed ) it all made sense:



Also, if a bleeding dead child was carried this way, there would definitely be blood-stains all over his shirt ( and potentially his shorts ). That would well account for the fact that none of Jerry's clothes were signaled positively by the dog.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Sunflower27 on Fri 2 Mar - 9:03

A fall resulting in death does not need to mean a lot of blood.

I know a very tragic story of a man who, when drunk, fell and fit his head on a curb and went home to bed and died in his sleep after a clot formed.

There may have only been a small amount that could have been easily wiped up. Madeleine may have broken her neck as well and that could have been the reason for death.

Whatever happened to madeleine'd body, I believe it will never be found. There is no way the McCann's would be as confident and feel as safe as they obviously do if there was the chance a body could be found hanging over their heads.

Remember that video where a reporter asked Kate and Gerry how they feel when they hear stories of sightings of Madeleine and Gerry gave a quick but very obviou smirk. For some reason, that video sticks with me more than any other. It is incredibly telling in my opinion. They are very safe in the knowl;edge Madeleine's body being found will never incriminate them.

I truly believe that accepted her death and decided that it was an accident and they were not going to ruin their lives over that. ie. 'how can it be our fault if she had an accident in the apartment and died'. They have totally absolved themselves of any wrongdoing - if they han't found their version of peace with what happened, they would not be able to function; they would have cracked by now.


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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Oldartform on Fri 2 Mar - 11:38

Dead bodies don`t bleed.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Oldartform on Fri 2 Mar - 11:48

jd16 wrote:

The Smith sighting was a setup. It never really happened

I didn`t realise that.

I must say I had thought it odd that Mr. Smith said GM was carrying the child in the same way as the man they`d seen, because surely all men (and women) would carry a sleeping or dead child in that way - there isn`t another way to carry a sleeping child IMO, where you would need to have one of your hands free to hold the bannister or just support the child`s back.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  fred on Fri 2 Mar - 12:33

jd16 wrote:
Lioned wrote:
MaryB wrote:I must say i'm quite confused now about who this person was who the Smiths saw. If there was any chance that it was the abductor wouldn't you have thought it would be better publicised by the police and even the McCanns team over the years. But no, a lot of people haven't even heard of it. And if it was somebody entirely innocent carrying a child they surely would have come forward by now.

Yes in any other 'investigation' you would have thought this person would be top of the list to eliminate or become number one suspect !

The Smith sighting was a setup. It never really happened

Why was it a set up? I thought that the Smiths had their CC receipt from Kelly's bar to prove they had been in that area of PDL that night, and it was when they were walking home that night they saw a man carrying a child, but Mr Smith didn't realise it was Gerry until he saw him carrying one of the twins off the aeroplane .

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  pennylane on Fri 2 Mar - 13:15

fred wrote:
jd16 wrote:
Lioned wrote:
MaryB wrote:I must say i'm quite confused now about who this person was who the Smiths saw. If there was any chance that it was the abductor wouldn't you have thought it would be better publicised by the police and even the McCanns team over the years. But no, a lot of people haven't even heard of it. And if it was somebody entirely innocent carrying a child they surely would have come forward by now.

Yes in any other 'investigation' you would have thought this person would be top of the list to eliminate or become number one suspect !

The Smith sighting was a setup. It never really happened

Why was it a set up? I thought that the Smiths had their CC receipt from Kelly's bar to prove they had been in that area of PDL that night, and it was when they were walking home that night they saw a man carrying a child, but Mr Smith didn't realise it was Gerry until he saw him carrying one of the twins off the aeroplane .

I expect the McCanns would love the Smith sighting to be discredited, especially since the man seen carrying a pale skinned child was thought to be Gerry McCann, even down to him wearing the same beige trousers with buttons on the leg. Of course, Jane has done her level best to destroy the credibility of it being Gerry.... with one of the most ridiculous alibi's ever!

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  tanszi on Fri 2 Mar - 14:57

my cousin died in a freak motorcyle accident, helmet on he banged his head, instant death, no marks on him at all, internal head injury, no blood.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Fri 2 Mar - 15:59

oversoon wrote:The falling from the couch theory is the most innocent and convincing.

However, I wondered how Gerry could wonder down the street with a dead child who would obviously have signs of a deathly blow from such a fall ( if one were to believe the Smith family's sighting were a cohesive part of what happened ). When I looked for the image of Gerry coming off the easyjet plane( carrying Sean in the same way as the Smith's had witnessed ) it all made sense:



Also, if a bleeding dead child was carried this way, there would definitely be blood-stains all over his shirt ( and potentially his shorts ). That would well account for the fact that none of Jerry's clothes were signaled positively by the dog.

I cant make my mind up about this picture,Gerry looks very relaxed!!!! to say they had just been made arguidos they dont look to distressed do they, infact Gerry has got a very smug (like he is going to laugh) look, that same look ive seen befor lots of times, the one that (tells me) says he his protected and nobody is EVER going to touch him.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Fri 2 Mar - 16:03

pennylane wrote:
fred wrote:
jd16 wrote:
Lioned wrote:
MaryB wrote:I must say i'm quite confused now about who this person was who the Smiths saw. If there was any chance that it was the abductor wouldn't you have thought it would be better publicised by the police and even the McCanns team over the years. But no, a lot of people haven't even heard of it. And if it was somebody entirely innocent carrying a child they surely would have come forward by now.

Yes in any other 'investigation' you would have thought this person would be top of the list to eliminate or become number one suspect !

The Smith sighting was a setup. It never really happened

Why was it a set up? I thought that the Smiths had their CC receipt from Kelly's bar to prove they had been in that area of PDL that night, and it was when they were walking home that night they saw a man carrying a child, but Mr Smith didn't realise it was Gerry until he saw him carrying one of the twins off the aeroplane .

I expect the McCanns would love the Smith sighting to be discredited, especially since the man seen carrying a pale skinned child was thought to be Gerry McCann, even down to him wearing the same beige trousers with buttons on the leg. Of course, Jane has done her level best to destroy the credibility of it being Gerry.... with one of the most ridiculous alibi's ever!

And not forgetting pennylane, the strange abductor ID that Jane managed to change every week for the first 6 months.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  ProfessorPlum on Fri 2 Mar - 16:14

Lillyofthevalley wrote:
oversoon wrote:The falling from the couch theory is the most innocent and convincing.

However, I wondered how Gerry could wonder down the street with a dead child who would obviously have signs of a deathly blow from such a fall ( if one were to believe the Smith family's sighting were a cohesive part of what happened ). When I looked for the image of Gerry coming off the easyjet plane( carrying Sean in the same way as the Smith's had witnessed ) it all made sense:



Also, if a bleeding dead child was carried this way, there would definitely be blood-stains all over his shirt ( and potentially his shorts ). That would well account for the fact that none of Jerry's clothes were signaled positively by the dog.

I cant make my mind up about this picture,Gerry looks very relaxed!!!! to say they had just been made arguidos they dont look to distressed do they, infact Gerry has got a very smug (like he is going to laugh) look, that same look ive seen befor lots of times, the one that (tells me) says he his protected and nobody is EVER going to touch him.

Funny what we see isnt it? I actually think he looks quite upset in this picture.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Fri 2 Mar - 16:42

ProfessorPlum wrote:
Lillyofthevalley wrote:
oversoon wrote:The falling from the couch theory is the most innocent and convincing.

However, I wondered how Gerry could wonder down the street with a dead child who would obviously have signs of a deathly blow from such a fall ( if one were to believe the Smith family's sighting were a cohesive part of what happened ). When I looked for the image of Gerry coming off the easyjet plane( carrying Sean in the same way as the Smith's had witnessed ) it all made sense:



Also, if a bleeding dead child was carried this way, there would definitely be blood-stains all over his shirt ( and potentially his shorts ). That would well account for the fact that none of Jerry's clothes were signaled positively by the dog.

I cant make my mind up about this picture,Gerry looks very relaxed!!!! to say they had just been made arguidos they dont look to distressed do they, infact Gerry has got a very smug (like he is going to laugh) look, that same look ive seen befor lots of times, the one that (tells me) says he his protected and nobody is EVER going to touch him.

Funny what we see isnt it? I actually think he looks quite upset in this picture.

We definitely all see things differently. To me he looks determined and as if he's just spotted the photographers and is thinking oh here we go again.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Fri 2 Mar - 17:07

I think when Gerry is on the defence or he is angry he nips in his nose and mouth, and he looks like he is doing it in this picture imo.....

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Fri 2 Mar - 17:10

Lillyofthevalley wrote:I think when Gerry is on the defence or he is angry he nips in his nose and mouth, and he looks like he is doing it in this picture imo.....

Absolutely....he looks like he's thinking....one comment from you lot and you'll get it from both barrels

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Fri 2 Mar - 17:20

one comment from you lot and you'll get it from both barrels

What Angelina out of his nose


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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Fri 2 Mar - 17:23

Lillyofthevalley wrote:one comment from you lot and you'll get it from both barrels

What Angelique out of his nose




and I'm Angelina, not Angelique!

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Fri 2 Mar - 18:52

Upps sorry Angelina, I was too busy giggling at your post.......


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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Fri 2 Mar - 19:09

Lillyofthevalley wrote:Upps sorry Angelina, I was too busy giggling at your post.......


No problem, it's poor Angelique I feel sorry for

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  oversoon on Fri 2 Mar - 23:44

Sorry, wasn't aware of the dead body not bleeding. Makes better sense in the moving the body down the street but less sense in the needing to change his shirt sense. Regardless, I think Gerry would have enough sense to wear gloves, dispose suspect clothing, etc. - I think he has the skills to think ahead. As for Kate, she doesn't and I'm sure Gerry would not go out of his way to assist her in the thinking department ( except on camera ).

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Criminal Profiling Topic of the Day: On Moving and Hiding Bodies

Post  Annabel on Mon 5 Mar - 20:50

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2012/03/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-on.html


The Rocha Negra
"Friends help friends move; Great friends help friends move bodies."

Getting stuck with a corpse is not one of those events we anticipate ever having to deal with, unless we are an experienced serial killer. For the uninitiated, panic is the primary emotion at the moment one finds themselves with a dead body and desperation and fear are panic's close companions. Fear of ending up in prison for the rest of one's life, desperation to prevent such a repercussion, and, panic, as one tries to get rid of the damning evidence in a short period of time.

The problem with unpremeditated crimes is that one usually has little time to think, to cover up what has occurred, and get rid of evidence sufficiently. Most nonserial killers also have the added problem of the victim being connected to them in some way; a wife, a husband, a girlfriend or boyfriend, a child. The police will be showing up on one's doorstep and one has to actually report the person missing at some point and one needs an alibi. Serial killers target strangers (or mild acquaintances) and no one has a clue they are connected in any way to a crime in their community. They have ample time to dump or hide bodies and toss clothing or weapons. By the time a serial killer becomes a suspect, often he doesn't need to worry about an alibi because years have gone by.

Not the same situation for a domestic homicide. The body of the victim usually is lying in the middle of one's living room floor or dead in the bedroom. The person is going to be missed shortly - at school, at work, by friends and family. And we often quickly suspect a relative if that relative was the last to see the victim alive, especially if he doesn't report the individual missing for days. So what the panicked perpetrator needs to do is get rid of the body immediately, try to stage some sort of abduction, and then report the person missing as soon as possible. This way, he looks as innocent and as concerned as he can and, if lucky, he can try to establish some alibi though this is often difficult (and nearly impossible without involving family or friends).

Because of the fear of what the autopsy will discover and the possibility of DNA and trace evidence linking back to the perpetrator of a domestic homicide, it is common for the offender to attempt to hide the body extremely well or destroy it entirely. Serial killers and sex predators often just dump the body like garbage a mile or so from their home, not worrying all that much that any evidence will be connected back to them unless they have their DNA in the CODIS system and a match will identify them. So when a body isn't found after someone goes missing out of a house, police tend to take a strong look at whomever was at the same location as the victim at the time the person disappeared. This does not mean there aren't some serial killers who work harder at hiding bodies; they may bury them on their property, feed them to pigs, or toss them down mine shafts. But, it is far more common, especially with child sex predators, to dump the body quickly, usually within an hour of two of the abduction, rape, and murder of the little victim. Very few children taken for sexual purposes under the age of five aren't found dead and found dead fairly quickly; those that remain missing often are cases in which abduction is not proven and the parents are person-of-interest.

On the Beach in Praia da Luz Early in the AM
So, on May 3, 2007, if Madeleine McCann did die in Apartment 5A in Praia da Luz and her father or mother or both found themselves in that unexpected nightmare of dealing with a body, what would they do? Kate and Gerry would likely fear arrest and imprisonment for one or both of them for murder - even if for second degree homicide as in an overdose or an overdose leading to an accident, or for manslaughter due to neglect and an accident - if there was something the autopsy would uncover. They would have to get rid of the body, any evidence of Maddie's demise, stage an abduction, and he and Kate would need need alibis that would cover the time that Maddie would have been "abducted."

If Maddie died in the vacation apartment, it would seem the McCanns were successful at all of the above, barring the alerting of the cadaver and blood dogs to locations and items in the apartment and hire car. And the most important aspect of the cover-up issues is the losing of the body permanently; no body, rarely an arrest. The history of missing children with parents who are suspects has proven this over and over. In just the last few years we have in the United States a number of cases that come to mind: Haleigh Cummings, Ayla Reynolds, Sky Metalwalla, Jhessye Shockley, Kyron Horman, and Lisa Irwin. No bodies, no arrests although at least one parent is a top person-of-interest in all of these cases.

So, let's say Gerry really was seen by the Smith family at 9:50 pm, dumped Maddie's body, and then hurried back to the Tapas restaurant. Why would he bother to move her body? Why not let the police find it and think an abductor took Maddie, killed her, and got rid of her? Likely because of what autopsy might determine (drugs in body, head trauma, positional asphyxiation) and what the autopsy might not determine (violent sexual assault and strangulation by a predator) and trace evidence that might link back to the McCanns and no one else. So, if the McCanns covered up the death of Madeleine, they would have to be sure her body was not found, if at all possible. Maddie's body would have to be moved to a fairly secretive location.

Some might say then that it must have been one brilliant location her body was hidden in that the police never thought of looking because it was never found. Others might say because her body wasn't found in the area, the McCanns must have nothing to do with the crime because they only had a few hours in the early morning hours to move Maddie's body to a better spot and how would they have accomplished this so well in so short a time?

Well, mostly by luck. Luck plays an interesting role in a lot of crimes. One would think bodies of children that families try to dispose of in a hurry should be very easy to find but they are not, often because they are quite tiny and easy to stuff into a variety of places or they get lost in a large expanse of land. That the cadaver dogs didn't hit months later out in the open of Praia da Luz does not mean an abductor trundled Maddie out of town; it doesn't mean that her body wasn't hidden somewhere in the area for a period of time. Although false positives are extremely rare for cadaver dogs, false negatives are more common and it is hard to prove the dogs missed a spot when, well, they missed it. With changing weather conditions and numerous other factors, where a body may have been hidden temporarily may be overlooked by dogs, the smell having wafted off, well contained, or somehow not being noticeable enough.

False positives and negatives work like perfume; suppose a husband is having an affair with his secretary. She spritzes herself with perfume and the two go to a bar, take a walk in the park, and then come back to the bedroom he shares with his wife and has sex with her there. That afternoon after work, the wife hears a rumor that her husband was seen at the bar and the park with this woman. She goes to both locations, and she doesn't smell the woman's perfume; the bar is too contaminated with massive numbers of odors and the park is too large to figure out where the couple may have been and even the bench the couple sat on and hugged and kissed has been rained on and wind has blown through the spot. But, when the woman gets home, the fragrance of the woman's perfume hits her at the front door, is stronger in the bedroom, and when she picks up her husband's shirt off out of the laundry basket, she is nearly knocked out by the odor. There is no way she could be mistaken about the perfume in her house but just because she missed it at the bar and in the park doesn't mean the couple wasn't there as well.

This is an oversimplification of cadaver dogs and their abilities, but I just want you to get an understanding of why outdoor searches are so difficult, even for the best of dogs. Of course, if they alert on a spot in the middle of the landscape, this certainly is significant, but, not hitting anywhere does not hold the same importance as making a alert.

So, was Maddie hidden somewhere around Praia da Luz in a public area? Very possibly, in spite of the fact the dogs did not discover that place. She also could have been hidden in a private location but that would be far less likely considering the very few hours the McCanns, if they were involved, had to hide her body. They would have to find a place quickly, nearby, within walking distance, someplace they had a clue existed. The most likely possibilities would be where the McCanns had spent time, walked around or jogged past; it is night and one cannot spend hours scouring unknown rugged areas. That might come later, but it would be unlikely to occur on May 4th before the sun rose.

On the Right Side of Beach Access
Beach Access near Smith Sighting
Sometime after the locals and police had pretty much called it a night for searching, there would be an opportunity for Gerry or Gerry with Kate or Gerry with David Payne to find a good location to put Maddie's body. If I were in Gerry shoes (if he was involved in Maddie's demise and/or disappearance) and had a wife or friend to help me or if I had to do it alone, here are the places I would have considered and rejected. One is anything to the west of the area of the overturned boats (where the road accesses the beach and has good temporary hiding places; see my previous blog post).


Not a great spot to walk or hide a body

I walked further down that direction and it is very difficult to traverse it at night. Lots of craggy, uneven rocks, and no place I could find that would be a good place to stash a body. If one went back up on the road and walked down past the houses, there is a bit of an area that one could bury a body, but that burial site would be hard to disguise.


Trash Bins to East of Beach Access
There are some trash bins which could be a possibility but that would negate the later cadaver dog evidence in the hire car unless some object transferred cadaver odor to that location like a bag or clothing. However, the trash bins were searched and nothing found unless something was missed.

From the overturned boat area, there is a bit of a beach to the east, full of rocks, which then ends at a stone structure that juts into the water before the church. There were a few places to stuff a body, but I doubt a body could have stayed hidden.

There is the drain, but, again, not a good hiding place except for an hour or two.

From Center of Praia da Luz to West Beach
From the location of the church over to the rocks of the Rocha Negra, there is just beach and no real hiding places. Some have mentioned the Roman Ruins which can be accessed from the boardwalk. It is a very small enclosed location and while I did find one spot one could hide a small body, for the long run, one would think a maintenance person who worked there would find the corpse.

Paraiso Restaurant on Left
So, that leaves the Rocha Negra itself, the obsession of Kate McCann as she mentions it again and again in her book and even called the police to say she had a dream Maddie was on a slab up on the rocks. This is an area both the McCanns were familiar with. One can sit on the deck having lunch at the Paraiso Restaurant and the Rocha Negra is right in front of you. The McCanns also jogged near and on the Rocha Negra as well.

Foot of Rocha Negra on Beach
There are three possible areas one could try to hide a body on the Rocha Negra. Retired British police officer, PM, and I toured the various areas to see if there was a place we felt was more likely than others that one could move a body to in the wee hours of the morning. We located three possibilities: at the foot of the rocks on the beach or in the water, in the gullies on the slopes, and on the land on the top of the cliffs. At the foot, it first appears this is not a bad choice (above right) and, if it were low tide one could hide a body under rocks and gravel right there at the base where the cliffs meet the sand. However, in higher tide, this is not possible and one has to worry about the smell hitting sunbathers, joggers, and hikers on the beach. It is possible, but not probable. Dumping the body in the water only to have it come back in the tide or trying to pin it under a rock is not very wise if one doesn't want the body to resurface unexpectedly.
Rocks to Beach at Rocha Negra

Rex the Dog's Grave
Next, PM drove me up to the area where one can follow trails up the grassy hills to the very top of the cliffs. We found a dog, Rex, buried here, so it is possible to dig a grave, although the ground is very hard at that location and one would need a shovel to be successful. Also, while it is possible to walk or run to this location (and Gerry was in good shape), it is quite far to go carrying a child, then have to dig a grave, and run back. Furthermore, a fresh grave in the hills would be quite obvious. I didn't think it would be a good choice.

Gullies to Beach on Rocha Negra
Rocha Negra Gully
Then, PM and I explored the gullies that come down the side of the Rocha Negra. This area really sparked my interest. The gullies that were accessible from the beach were only a five minute walk from downtown Praia da Luz.

One can climb up and up (I doubt many do this for hiking as they are not very inviting) and these gullies have a massive amount of rocks and gravel in them and around them which are easy to move and cover a body with.

Finding a crevice, secreting a small body, and covering it with a pile of rocks would not take that long. On a night with a full moon, one would not even need a flashlight to accomplish this. The spot would be up and out of the way of beachcombers and a good location unless one thought cadaver dogs were going to be set loose on it. At the time Maddie went missing, no one was looking for a body and as long as an abduction was promulgated and a live child searched for, the PJ weren't bringing in cadaver dogs, which they didn't, until the McCanns became Arguidos (suspects).

Right next to the beach a few metres from the gully area is a road and public parking spaces (if one wanted to remove the body later and transport it elsewhere.





The cadaver dogs did search the Rocha Negra, ascending as far as they could from the beach. I don't know if a moved body, perhaps a well-wrapped on, might not have left a scent for the dogs to find or whether there was never a body there. But, this very accessible location on the side of the Rocha Negra would be my top choice for where I would hide a body if I only had a short period of time and couldn't go very far.

At this point, there is not enough evidence to prove in court that the McCanns are involved with the disappearance of the daughter, Madeleine, or that they moved her body or exactly where they could have moved her body if they were. But, when one puts oneself in the mind of a person desperate to hide a body, it is interesting what one sees as possibilities.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Karen on Mon 5 Mar - 21:07

My theory from the onset: re - dogs

Maddie was jumping on the couch Kate screamed at her to stop - Maddie didnt stop Kate whacked her and she fell to the floor smacking her little head.

I was in Algarve for my grandsons birthday last year July - at the insistence of my daughters mum in law we covered the couch in a red cover, (to match the party colours) my grandson was jumping on the couch, I was popping out (downstairs) to buy ciggies and he wanted to join me - as he tried to jump of the couch his little foot got tangled in the red cloth and the poor little lad smacked his face on the tiled floor, he was bruised, with a split lip and eye.
It could have been worse. We took the normal precaution NOT ALLOWING him to fall asleep.

Kate just couldnt give a shit!

I still get visions of it!

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  oversoon on Tue 6 Mar - 0:56

So you're alleging a concussion, followed by actual neglect of the concussion?

Of all the theories in all the years to now, that is the very best theory I have read! I am sensing some genuine psychic ability.

In the five years of observing those "parents", your theory really does hit the bulls eye. Respect!

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Autumn on Tue 6 Mar - 1:59

But why would the group, some who barely knew the McCanns, cover up for them and agree to a Pact of Silence? Why would a spokesman be sent to them from the government to speak on their behalf and control what was published in the media? Why so many important officials sent out in the early days? Why did their millionaire double glazing backer visit a number of witnesses, including Murat and Martin Smith? Why was the Fund up and running so soon after and photo-shopped images of a much younger 'Madeleine' ready to distribute? Why no photos of Madeleine from the holiday as would be expected after being there for almost a week? Why no DNA or a single strand of Madeleine's hair in Apartment 5A? Why was The Gaspar's Statements withheld form the PJ for 6 mnths?

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  tigger on Tue 6 Mar - 7:52

I'm just not in favour of those rocks for the following reasons:

It's a holiday resort, the chance of people going for a walk or wade amongst the rocks is too great imo.
The McCanns pointed us at that area all the time - I would look exactly the other way 180 degree turn.
I don't think the disposal of the body happened on the 3rd. I think it was the 2nd. But moving it in a bag or a golf bag as Amaral infers - seems logical.
The 2nd is the day the McCanns seem to skip (see Dr. Roberts' '30 days has October' mccannfiles).

The rocks are an area that Amaral wants to look at again, but he says that he does not think the body was there. However Michael Wright and Gerry are photographed there around the 8th, looking for something. I'm wondering if it was a non traceable mobile? Something smallish like that which could be hurled from the top in a hurry.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Tue 6 Mar - 9:01

Good piece by Pat....
Im wondering if this is why the McCanns did alot of jogging in the first 3weeks down to the beech, this way they could keep an eye on the area, to make sure that nobody had found Maddies original hiding place, hense finding DNA/cadavar/fluids.
Also didn't the McCanns say they felt close to Madeleine by the sea, and they certainly had alot of pictures take in and around the rocks and the sea.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Christine on Tue 6 Mar - 11:14

I can't help but feel that the psychics, the visit from Dr. Amaral to PDL and Pat Browns visit are not a coincidence. I hope it's not and that Pat Brown is trying to get her point across without having to write it down herself (pointing to the one spot the psychics did too.)

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