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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Autumn on Tue 6 Mar - 13:42

On 9/5 Gerry was also photographed with kate's cousin Michael Wright at the same cliff area seemingly searching for something - could be looking for lost object that could incriminate them; or checking she was still in place and not dug out by dogs or something like that.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Annabel on Tue 6 Mar - 13:49

Off topic, but I saw this picture on Twitter:



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Re: Pat Brown

Post  mossman on Tue 6 Mar - 13:58

Sometime after the locals and police had pretty much called it a night for searching, there would be an opportunity for Gerry or Gerry with Kate or Gerry with David Payne to find a good location to put Maddie's body.[b]


This jumped out at me from Pat's blog. It is very interesting that she mentions David Payne. I always had ROB pegged as the helper. However, thinking about it now, Payne is never mentioned as doing anything on that night because of his monitor. All the others are implicated in one way or another, running here there and everywhere, checking, washing, etc. Payne is not in the limelight at all. Was this deliberate I wonder now. How do we know he stayed at the table, other than the Tapas telling us.

I would love to know why Pat mentions him specifically and did not say Gerry with Kate or Gerry with one of the Tapas.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  mariang on Tue 6 Mar - 14:09

Annabel - would aiofie smith be part of the smith family that saw someone walking with a child? Also the photo of gerry and his trousers wher was this taken? If these were the trousers - you would think that he would have got rid of them? However the checked black and white trousers that belonged to Kate and were identified by the dog, she wore them on their return to the uk! So who knows?

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Badboy on Tue 6 Mar - 14:13

mariang wrote:Annabel - would aiofie smith be part of the smith family that saw someone walking with a child? Also the photo of gerry and his trousers wher was this taken? If these were the trousers - you would think that he would have got rid of them? However the checked black and white trousers that belonged to Kate and were identified by the dog, she wore them on their return to the uk! So who knows?
SAME SMITH FAMILY THAT SAW THE MAN IN RUA ESCORLA

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Annabel on Tue 6 Mar - 14:26

Description:
• (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal complexion, normal physique, around 180/175 metres in height. At the time she saw him, she did see his face but now cannot remember any detail. She believes that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember any tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not look at his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, cut in a short style, short from behind (normal) and a bit longer on the top.
• His trousers were beige in colour, made of cotton, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.

http://thesmithsighting.blogspot.com/2012/02/httpthemaddiecasefiles_5449.html

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  interested on Tue 6 Mar - 16:00

Autumn wrote:On 9/5 Gerry was also photographed with kate's cousin Michael Wright at the same cliff area seemingly searching for something - could be looking for lost object that could incriminate them; or checking she was still in place and not dug out by dogs or something like that.

Autumn - That picture has haunted me since I first saw it.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Tue 6 Mar - 16:28

mossman wrote:Sometime after the locals and police had pretty much called it a night for searching, there would be an opportunity for Gerry or Gerry with Kate or Gerry with David Payne to find a good location to put Maddie's body.[b]


This jumped out at me from Pat's blog. It is very interesting that she mentions David Payne. I always had ROB pegged as the helper. However, thinking about it now, Payne is never mentioned as doing anything on that night because of his monitor. All the others are implicated in one way or another, running here there and everywhere, checking, washing, etc. Payne is not in the limelight at all. Was this deliberate I wonder now. How do we know he stayed at the table, other than the Tapas telling us.

I would love to know why Pat mentions him specifically and did not say Gerry with Kate or Gerry with one of the Tapas.

IMO mossman, RO'B was used only when in the apartment when Maddy was found, my guess is he was there when Maddy was "worked on" sadly this didn't work and she died, I also think this is prob what lead to R'OBs breakdown not long after leacing PDL in 2007, what did he witness/see?.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Tue 6 Mar - 16:32

Annabel wrote:Description:
• (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal complexion, normal physique, around 180/175 metres in height. At the time she saw him, she did see his face but now cannot remember any detail. She believes that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember any tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not look at his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, cut in a short style, short from behind (normal) and a bit longer on the top.
• His trousers were beige in colour, made of cotton, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.

http://thesmithsighting.blogspot.com/2012/02/httpthemaddiecasefiles_5449.html

Hmm!! does anyone remember a couple of years ago when Gerry went through the "Hair Colouring" stage we were all commenting on it been black, why would he do that when infact he wasn't even going grey??????

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  mossman on Tue 6 Mar - 16:49

IMO mossman, RO'B was used only when in the apartment when Maddy was found, my guess is he was there when Maddy was "worked on" sadly this didn't work and she died, I also think this is prob what lead to R'OBs breakdown not long after leacing PDL in 2007, what did he witness/see?. [/quote]

Lillyofthevalley, did he really have a breakdown ? Wow, I was not aware of that.

I agree with you, ROB is definately a candidate for having helped with a medical procedure, this would also account for Jane Tanners willingness to provide the sighting, she is protecting her partner, not the McCanns. I suppose I just always suspected it was ROB who was away trying to sort things out that night as well. I think it is signficant though that Pat Brown named Payne and Payne alone. My fatal error was looking in the direction the McCanns were pointing. All the while DP is sitting quietly at the table.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Guest on Tue 6 Mar - 17:33

Lillyofthevalley wrote:
Annabel wrote:Description:
• (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal complexion, normal physique, around 180/175 metres in height. At the time she saw him, she did see his face but now cannot remember any detail. She believes that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember any tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not look at his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, cut in a short style, short from behind (normal) and a bit longer on the top.
• His trousers were beige in colour, made of cotton, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.

http://thesmithsighting.blogspot.com/2012/02/httpthemaddiecasefiles_5449.html

Hmm!! does anyone remember a couple of years ago when Gerry went through the "Hair Colouring" stage we were all commenting on it been black, why would he do that when infact he wasn't even going grey??????

Because he hates being a ginger, same as his brother John.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Tue 6 Mar - 20:48

No I dont believe he is ginger like phil and john, I think its because there was alot of attention brought about by sightings of a guy with short brown hair, just like our Gerrys,,,

mossman yes it was on the old 3As site they spoke about RO'B break down on there, Im only going by that, I dont know first hand.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  tanszi on Tue 6 Mar - 23:11

hiya lilyofthevalley, it was my understanding also from posts on the 3As that he had had a breakdown and was the reason he wasnt present in the photo outside the Court of Justices. I also wondered if the reason Gs hair colouring might be related to a the Smith sighting and description. We ll never know. jimo.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Sara_Rose_ on Wed 7 Mar - 1:04

mossman wrote:Sometime after the locals and police had pretty much called it a night for searching, there would be an opportunity for Gerry or Gerry with Kate or Gerry with David Payne to find a good location to put Maddie's body.[b]


This jumped out at me from Pat's blog. It is very interesting that she mentions David Payne. I always had ROB pegged as the helper. However, thinking about it now, Payne is never mentioned as doing anything on that night because of his monitor. All the others are implicated in one way or another, running here there and everywhere, checking, washing, etc. Payne is not in the limelight at all. Was this deliberate I wonder now. How do we know he stayed at the table, other than the Tapas telling us.

I would love to know why Pat mentions him specifically and did not say Gerry with Kate or Gerry with one of the Tapas.

Very interesting. Yes looking at their statements the Paynes (& DW) were kept out of the limelight and managed to skip a lot of the questioning because of their 'hi tech baby monitors'. The Paynes (& Grandmother Dianne) admit they did not leave the table on any night to check on their babies girls aged only 1 & 2 yr old! That is not responsible parenting in any stretch of the imagination, no matter how fekkin' 'hi tech' your 'baby' monitors are Doctor. This is serious neglect!


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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Wed 7 Mar - 12:18

Is there any more to come from Pat Brown or have we heard all she has to say?

Do we know what she is doing with the info she collected in PDL?

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  tigger on Wed 7 Mar - 12:33

Just read that she takes the pool photo time as gospel. I'm surprised that she doesn't seem to be aware that there is definite evidence of photoshopping there - and Maddie looks younger than 4, more like 3 and a bit. Changing date and time on a photograph is not a problem and he had plenty of opportunity to do so.

She seems to be taking the 3rd of May - demise around 8.00 p.m. Unless she discards DP's testimony.

I think the rocks are way too dangerous to leave a body and why should Murat have had to hurry back on the 1st? I think the body was disposed of to the first resting place - probably a fridge on the 2nd of May. Gerry had a lot of activity on his mobile and neither of them are very informative about that day. Dr. Roberts wrote a piece about that.


Re the rocks, how would they know when they'd be able to recover the body? Whether the GNR dogs would be deployed that same evening? Whether a holiday maker or a resident took a walk in the shallows, with or without a dog? Far too dangerous to stow a body anywhere accessible.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Guest on Wed 7 Mar - 12:42

Well if she has uncovered anything that provides Intelligence or even Evidence, it would be appropriate for it to be passed on to PJ and/or SY.

Not a good idea to go public with bombshells if they could prejudice the proper course of Justice.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Wed 7 Mar - 13:35


I've never heard about Murat hurrying back on 1st. Where does that info come from?

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Wed 7 Mar - 13:36


Perhaps I'm just pessimistic but I never really expected her to find anything of substance so I have strong doubts as to whether there is any info to be passed to anyone

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Guest on Wed 7 Mar - 13:47

Angelina wrote:
Perhaps I'm just pessimistic but I never really expected her to find anything of substance so I have strong doubts as to whether there is any info to be passed to anyone

Oh, I agree ............ but if she had, it wouldn't be appropriate for it to appear on the blog.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Oldartform on Wed 7 Mar - 14:10

Angelina wrote:
I've never heard about Murat hurrying back on 1st. Where does that info come from?

From the mccann files, The Forbidden Investigation, Chapter 7.

"Murat has lived with his mother in Vila da Luz for several years, but he goes to England regularly. Back from his last stay in Exeter on May 1st, he has to return there on the 9th. He is ready to postpone his departure, desirous above all, he states, of helping the police to find Madeleine"

I read somewhere else that he was renovating his home in Exeter and downed tools and headed back to PdL on 1st May. Can`t remember where I read it but I think it could be from a sister or friend`s statement in Exeter.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Wed 7 Mar - 14:17

Angelina wrote:
I've never heard about Murat hurrying back on 1st. Where does that info come from?

Here's another link to a lengthy series of articles - you'll need a couple of hours to spare! - about Robert Murat; his return to Portugal on 1st May is covered.

http://www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk/Muratpt1.html

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  chrissie on Wed 7 Mar - 14:23

And another:

However, Murat spent the spring in Sidmouth, Devon, renovating a house bequeathed to his mother, Jennifer, 71. He says it was she who collected him from Faro airport on May 1, a story she confirmed to me.

http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.com/2012/02/mccann-madeleine-is-robert-murat.html




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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Oldartform on Wed 7 Mar - 14:26

The relevent portion from NBY`s link to Tony`s article :-

"We know that Murat came back to Portugal in apparent haste on 1 May.
His own account says that he booked his ticket on that very day. He seems to have booked his flight ticket at between midnight and 2.00am. His sister Samantha took him to the airport to catch the 7.00am flight. Murat must have been up and about at not long after 4.00am that morning to get up, travel by car to the airport and check in etc.
There seems to be, without doubt, a significant degree of urgency about Murat’s movements on 1 May. In his statement he said that he met only his mother (who fetched him from Faro airport) and Michaela that day, but since then we’ve learnt that he called at Jorge da Silva’s shop. Why
did da Silva have these long discussions with Murat? Was it really just about Romigen?
Was his sudden early morning flight from Exeter to Praia da Luz just in order to get ‘Romigen’ moving, or to finalise his divorce as he claimed on another occasion? Did he really need to meet urgently with a top local lawyer for that reason? Two years later, Romigen appears to be still only a ‘shell’ company, or at most a ‘front’ for something else.
So we pose this question: did something significant happen on Monday 30 April which required him to jet out to Portugal immediately and confer with a number of powerful and well-connected people in Praia da Luz? "

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Wed 7 Mar - 14:29

Thanks everyone for the links, seems I've got some reading to do

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