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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Guest on Thu 2 Feb - 18:53

Another vote for the proper coppers in the PJ.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  margaret on Thu 2 Feb - 19:12

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snowflake wrote:I thought she might want to speak to them but perhaps not.

Snowflake, the PJ is an investigation Police. It is not a coffee house where people drop by to chat.

Why are you always so defensive of the PJ ?
Do you believe they did a good job ?
They allowed this bunch of holidaymakers to ride roughshod all over your investigation.
I am afraid, yes, it was like a coffee house where people drop by to chat.
I will never in a million years understand how two people are made arguidos, the first arguido is allowed to return home to speak with the second arguido, who then attends the nextday for questioning.
To add to this, their family are sending messages out from inside the police station.
BK roams around the globe interviewing and bribing key witnessess and the PJ do nothing.

Trouble is after Lee Rainbow and the cadaver dogs findings the PJ were let down by various departments in the UK when financial, medical and phone records (amongst other things l suspect) were not sent over to them, so the case was shelved due to lack of evidence to charge anyone with any crime, rightly so under the circumstances.... I don't think the PJ were going to go for simple neglect after the circus the Mcs created they wanted more serious charges.

However, if the PJ are involved with the Mets review l suspect they were given assurances this would have a different outcome, l hope so anyway.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Thu 2 Feb - 19:52

LJC wrote:Its okay to be defending the PJ investigation. Whether that investigation went the right direction or the wrong direction will be seen in the fullness of time, but until we all know the answer to that, then I think we should give the PJ the benefit of the doubt. GA does accept a lack of experience in the PJ in dealing with such a case. I personally think the McCanns have had more nails driven into their respective coffins since the case was shelved, as it has brought opinion into the open even more, given the frustration many people feel over the shelving. They say as one door closes another one opens and I believe its no bad thing that the case was shelved, whatever the reason for the shelving. I do not think its about good cops/bad cops or about the politics of the case, but I believe its more like a game of chess and its about frustration, which the McCanns feel as well, which can often bring out the best or the worst in people in any game. I do think, at the end of the day, the PJ are actually in this for the long haul, however it may seem.



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Madeleine McCann: Pat Brown. Amazon and Carter Ruck

Post  jd16 on Fri 3 Feb - 9:37

With the high profile attention the press have given this scam over the years and with someone now going out there next week to do their own investigations as well as standing up for freedom of speech...you would have thought the UK media would have the backbone and strength to report on it instead of printing their copy & paste drivel supplied by the mccann team. But it only shows and proves how controlled the press are, and if they want their freedom of expressions they need to back people like Pat with what she is doing not ignore it. Where are you all UK press media? At least Anorak reported on it

MADELEINE McCANN: Pat Brown, a “criminal profiler” in America, has issued a press release stating that she has sent a Cease-and-Desist Letter to Gerry and Kate McCann, parents of the missing child. The letter ends:

We request that the claim of libel be retracted for the Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann and the book permitted to be returned for sale at Amazon.

Any press release is, as it says, intended for the press. It is PR. It is designed to draw attention to the subject, in this case Pat Brown.

She wrote a book called “Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann”.

It’s appears to be for sale on the Barnes & Noble website. But you cannot read it on Amazon. Pat Brown tweeted:

”I have indeed been Carter-Rucked. Amazon has pulled my book because the McCanns claim it is defamatory.”

Her press release notes:

Gerry and Kate McCann, parents of the missing Madeleine McCann, find themselves for the first time at the other end of a potential legal action. Top defense attorney, Anne Bremner, counsel to the Friends of Amanda Knox and the families of Rebecca Zahau and Susan Cox Powell, has issued a cease-and-desist letter (content posted below) on behalf of American criminal profiler Pat Brown whose book, Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, was removed from sale by Amazon following a claim by the McCanns that the book was defamatory…

The book is not available on Amazon. But anyone who wants to read seems to be able to do so on other sites.

A letter is republished:

Dear Pat,
We have received a notice of defamation from Carter-Ruck Solicitors that says the content of Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann (UPDATED) B0055WYVCQ, contains defamatory statements regarding their clients, Gerry and Kat (sic) McCann.
Because we have no method of determining whether the content supplied to us is defamatory, we have removed the title from sale and will not reinstate it unless we receive confirmation from both parties that this matter has been resolved.
Carter-Ruck can be reached at:
6 St Andrew Street
London EC4A 3AE
T 020 **** ****
Best regards,
Robert F.
http://www.amazon.com
The Women On Crime blog writer notes:

Next week, on February 8th, retired solicitor Tony Bennett faces English prison as the McCanns’ fight to shut down his efforts to bring focus to aspects of the missing child case that point to the parents’ possible involvement. Also, the McCanns have sued the detective on their daughter’s case, Dr. Goncalo Amaral, for libel and have had his book, Truth of the Lie, pulled off the worldwide market. The trial is scheduled in Portugal for April. Now, Pat Brown has fought back for the cause of freedom of speech and justice, alleging that the McCanns have interfered with her right to conduct business and have damaged her professional reputation with their successful removal of her book from sale. On Monday, Pat will leave for Portugal to continue her quest for truth and justice in the case of Madeleine McCann.

The writer asks:

What, then, does American criminal profiler Pat Brown hope to accomplish with her two week trip to Portugal, beginning next week on February 6, with her small band of assistants and a few hundred euros of her own money?

Publicity?

She could find the truth. She could find Madeleine. She could find nothing but at least she won’t be costing the taxpayers millions or draining the pocketbooks of kindhearted donators chasing useless leads.

People donated money of their own free will, albeit whipped along by a ferocious media feeding frenzy. The taxpayers’ money is being used to investigate a missing child. Surely the only regret and cause for consternation is that not all missing persons are so helped. The Metropolitan Police are more then up to the task in hand.

Pat Brown will be following up on the theory she purported in her Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann, her eBook which was pulled by Amazon at the request of the British solicitors Carter-Ruck on behalf of Gerry and Kate McCann. Amazon was told the book was defamatory in spite of the fact Ms. Brown clearly stated facts in the case, developed a theory based on those facts…

A theory based on facts… Got that? There is only one fact. A child went missing. There are no suspects to any crime. Indeed, no crime has been proven to have befallen Madeleine McCann. In the course of the media story, the parents were libelled, so too was Robert Murat. They wer libelled because the media could not stick to the most basic fact.

…During her trip to Portugal, Pat Brown will study the town of Praia da Luz and environs, reconstruct the crime, and examine possible locations as to where Madeleine might have been taken, dead or alive.

Facts?

Let’s hope she finds Madeleine McCann. And if she finds anything, the Met are there to help her…

Spotter: Karen

http://www.anorak.co.uk/310678/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-pat-brown-amazon-and-carter-ruck.html/

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Angelina on Fri 3 Feb - 10:05

Does anyone know if the search is going to be recorded on video?

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  NoStone on Fri 3 Feb - 10:33

No one has to say anything to Pat - break a vow of silence or breach a confidence, they just have to take her by the hand and silently lead her to a place, or point a finger on a map - what was it that Amaral said about silence again? It would be interesting to note if Pat is followed in her everymove in Portugal - MI6 protecting national interests perhaps???

Safe journey Pat, I am sure you will be comparing notes with Amaral on many different aspects - from libel trials and most of all - finding Madeleine.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  jd16 on Fri 3 Feb - 10:36

It would be interesting to note if Pat is followed in her everymove in Portugal - MI6 protecting national interests perhaps???

I very strongly suspect this will be the case. But Pat has made a smart move publicising her trip

I hope many people in PDL will speak to her, this is their chance to get justice and their town back

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  interested on Fri 3 Feb - 17:47

It is a sad reflection on the U.K. press that only Anorak has made a stab at freedom of speech.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  interested on Sat 4 Feb - 2:26

Pat Brown has just tweeted (Friday, Feb. 3, 9:15 PM EST) "3 days until I leave for Portugal. I'll be blogging daily, so I will keep you all in the loop as to what I am finding out."

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Annabel on Sat 4 Feb - 6:49

Updated:

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/pat-brown-goes-to-portugal-a-quest-for-truth-and-justice-for-madeleine-mccann

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  NoStone on Sat 4 Feb - 7:16

Annabel wrote:Updated:

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/pat-brown-goes-to-portugal-a-quest-for-truth-and-justice-for-madeleine-mccann

That's it Pat - bring the whole sordid mess to the surface

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  gillyspot on Sat 4 Feb - 9:22

Thanks Annabel. What a share!

Will the UK media pick up on this story? Probably not but still WOW.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  pennylane on Sat 4 Feb - 9:29

gillyspot wrote:Thanks Annabel. What a share!

Will the UK media pick up on this story? Probably not but still WOW.

I wish we could fire this story off to BBC, Sky, and the rest.

We used to have members that could do that sort of thing in seconds.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  gillyspot on Sat 4 Feb - 9:33

Morning Pennylane

I have just tweeted it to BBC, Telegraph & Sky. Don't hold your breath for an answer or you will go blue.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  pennylane on Sat 4 Feb - 9:37

gillyspot wrote:Morning Pennylane

I have just tweeted it to BBC, Telegraph & Sky. Don't hold your breath for an answer or you will go blue.

Thank you so much, gillyspot!

I won't hold my breath, but I believe it's important. Certainly a malignant couple won't like it being tweeted that way. Well done.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Sat 4 Feb - 9:44

Well done gillyspot Wonder if our Media/Papers will pick up on Pat Browns trip??

Ive noticed Pat is mentioning quite alot about her imminant trip to Portugual, do you think the McCanns will cave in befor she goes I wonder???



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Re: Pat Brown

Post  nospinnaker on Sat 4 Feb - 11:14

I don't think the McCanns are planning to cave in all that soon. They have, after all, a hearing coming up in the UK, against Mr Bennett. Whatever the result it'll be an opportunity for publicity, for a reminder that Madeleine hasn't been found, so keep buying the bracelets.

Then there's another legal matter - this time in Portugal - where the whole issue of Mr Amaral's books will be aired. That'll provide another advertising slot. It'll either be 'convicted perjuror must burn his vile lies' or 'Foreigners allow convicted perjuror to peddle his lies' and either way roll up, rol lup,get your good quality Wristbands here.

Unless Ms Brown actually uncovers hard evidence - and by that I mean something that'll convince a court, is admissible in court, and doesn't have a perfectly reasonable explanation - then I doubt we will hear much about her expedition to the Algarve.

It is possible, I suppose, that Mr Bennett will win his case, and it's just possible that some newspaper may decide 'what the hell, let's publish his side of the story', and people may get a glimpse of what lies under the glossy false skin of spin.

It's possible that Mr Amaral may prevail in Portugal, his books may be put on sale, and there may one day be an English edition on sale in the UK. Just possible.

And of course Ms Brown may be going over to Portugal with more than just a vague idea of what she can achieve. With the clarity of perception that distance can bring she may just have homed in on a few important areas that have escaped our scrutiny. The McCann fans keep baying about her being self trained and all that, but it hasn't stopped her over in the USA. Her ideas may not match ours, her methods may not match those of the Met's squad of homicide detectives, but she sure is sticking her neck out.

So in a nutshell I don't think they're about to cave in but their lives are a bit busy at the moment, and about to get busier. We'll see

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  jd16 on Sat 4 Feb - 11:24

to Isabelle Zehnder for having the guts to print this article. If only more were like her

I didn't think the UK media could sink any lower than with the hacking scandal but they are now by not reporting on this significant development that someone is going to PDL to conduct a search. The UK media just not reporting a single word about this is proving how totally controlled the scam is, how there is no freedom of speech, and the mccanns & their cronies are covering up something so bad they using the countries liberties to stop it being exposed

The UK media can't be worried about libel. Its a fact Pat is going to PDL to conduct a search. Its a fact that carter ruck sent a letter to Amazon to pull her book. Its a fact that they gave no reason to what was defamatory. Its a fact Pat is taking the mccanns to court over interference of her business. Its a fact Pat press release the Cease-and-Desist Letter to the mccanns....There is no libels to the press here, it is all facts which they are in business to report on....so why are they so weak and not doing so? Why instead are they releasing copy and paste drivel given to them by the mccanns instead. Where is this fair or justice to any sort of freedom of speech from the UK Media. They are totally controlled and spineless and if you ever needed proof then this is it and I am utterly ashamed of the UK media

When Pat's book was first pulled from Amazon I was coincidentally around at the time, and what they did was...If you go to Amazon UK and type the 2 words "Pat Brown" on the search bar, you'd expect anything that has the 2 words Pat + Brown come up in the search results. However, what came up at the very top of the results was "Madeleine by kate mccann"! I never did understand why Madeleine by kate mccann returned as the number one search result from the words Pat Brown. If this is not interfering with business then I don't know what is...they stop her book with no actual reason and just flexed their muscles, then place their book instead at the top!!! Unbelievable! If you search Pat Brown in Amazon now Madeleine by kate mccann still comes up but now on page 2....just like the book sales it is falling into obscurity!

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Post  interested on Sat 4 Feb - 15:00

Congratulations and well done to Isabelle Zehnder at Examiner.com for publishing "Pat Brown goes to Portugal in a quest for truth and justice for Madeleine McCann". Also, well done to gillyspot for advising BBC, Telegraph and Sky.

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  jay2001 on Sat 4 Feb - 16:42

Well done Gillyspot and even if they don't check it out, or as usual do nothing, at least someone will read it. Mind you, this time last week I never dreamed that anyone would cover the TB court date either and Telegraph did. So someone, somewhere might actually print the details. Living in hope!

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  jd16 on Fri 10 Feb - 15:18

Reported in the Algarve Resident....

Search for Madeleine continues
Updated: 09-Feb-2012

British newspapers have reported that the cost of Scotland Yard’s investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is set to reach £2 million, with the bill being picked up by the UK’s Home Office.

The force’s homicide squad is examining the case after Prime Minister David Cameron called them in last May at the request of Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate.

A spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann said: “They have always been very appreciative of the time and resources that the British police and Home Office have committed to the search for Madeleine and they are grateful that the review is ongoing.”

Meanwhile, American crime profiler Pat Brown arrived in the Algarve on February 6 to “search for locations” where missing Madeleine might be.

Writing on her blog, she said: “I plan to survey the area and then reanalyse the crime based on what I learn. Then, I plan to search in locations I believe Maddie may be.

“I can accomplish the first part of the plan within 10 days. The second part is unlikely to be fully accomplished and may require my return to Portugal if I think another search has merit.”

Although Pat Brown does not believe the odds are great in finding Madeleine on her trip, she hopes to increase her knowledge of what exactly did happen on the evening of Madeleine’s disappearance, in order to unearth information that could move the case forward.

She states online that she will be updating her findings as and when she can.

For more information about Pat Brown and what she believes has happened to Madeleine, please see: http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com

http://www.algarveresident.com/0-45588/algarve/search-for-madeleine-continues

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  amber on Fri 10 Feb - 15:43

wow thanks jd. Its good to see at least one European paper is reporting this news
Do you think we should run a book on which UK papers will be the first to break ranks



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Post  jd16 on Fri 10 Feb - 16:03

amber wrote:wow thanks jd. Its good to see at least one European paper is reporting this news
Do you think we should run a book on which UK papers will be the first to break ranks

If Pat does discover significant information I wonder if the UK papers would cover it? This will be interesting to see what they do or not

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Re: Pat Brown

Post  marxman on Fri 10 Feb - 16:09

jd16 wrote: to Isabelle Zehnder for having the guts to print this article. If only more were like her

I didn't think the UK media could sink any lower than with the hacking scandal but they are now by not reporting on this significant development that someone is going to PDL to conduct a search. The UK media just not reporting a single word about this is proving how totally controlled the scam is, how there is no freedom of speech, and the mccanns & their cronies are covering up something so bad they using the countries liberties to stop it being exposed

The UK media can't be worried about libel. Its a fact Pat is going to PDL to conduct a search. Its a fact that carter ruck sent a letter to Amazon to pull her book. Its a fact that they gave no reason to what was defamatory. Its a fact Pat is taking the mccanns to court over interference of her business. Its a fact Pat press release the Cease-and-Desist Letter to the mccanns....There is no libels to the press here, it is all facts which they are in business to report on....so why are they so weak and not doing so? Why instead are they releasing copy and paste drivel given to them by the mccanns instead. Where is this fair or justice to any sort of freedom of speech from the UK Media. They are totally controlled and spineless and if you ever needed proof then this is it and I am utterly ashamed of the UK media

When Pat's book was first pulled from Amazon I was coincidentally around at the time, and what they did was...If you go to Amazon UK and type the 2 words "Pat Brown" on the search bar, you'd expect anything that has the 2 words Pat + Brown come up in the search results. However, what came up at the very top of the results was "Madeleine by kate mccann"! I never did understand why Madeleine by kate mccann returned as the number one search result from the words Pat Brown. If this is not interfering with business then I don't know what is...they stop her book with no actual reason and just flexed their muscles, then place their book instead at the top!!! Unbelievable! If you search Pat Brown in Amazon now Madeleine by kate mccann still comes up but now on page 2....just like the book sales it is falling into obscurity!

Great post jd16

And not forgetting, that Madeleine is a missing British citizen
who should warrant fair and considerate coverage within the
UK media regarding all, or any, attempt to trace her whereabouts.




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Re: Pat Brown

Post  fred on Fri 10 Feb - 16:11

jd16 wrote:
amber wrote:wow thanks jd. Its good to see at least one European paper is reporting this news
Do you think we should run a book on which UK papers will be the first to break ranks

If Pat does discover significant information I wonder if the UK papers would cover it? This will be interesting to see what they do or not

I'd not really call the Algarve Resident a newspaper, more of a series of adverts for ex-pats who don't want a Jonny Foreigner to do their plumbing or garden, people who want to buy Hp sauce and teabags, they just sling in the occasional story in the rag. It needs to be picked up by a daily like CM or something and it hasn't yet, but we can live in hope.

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