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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Mon 13 Feb - 8:03

flower wrote:
almostgothic wrote:@ flower

The SY spin is all about the court of public opinion IMO.
If the inference is that SY are keeping them informed it makes it look as if the police do not suspect them or consider them worthy of investigation.
That's what they want Joe Public to think.
If they can keep a majority of the public on their side then they hope that this majority will somehow 'save' them.
And if that happened, maybe they figure that the chances of twelve members of the public (ie a jury) also being on their side might be better than average. Should they be charged with anything in the UK, that is.

If that is the approach, it won't go down well with SY.
But these days, they'll be more concerned about the immediate present. Keeping and acquiring support.
Damage limitation, responding to the 'now'. Shoring up the fan base. Shooting first and worrying about the consequences later.
JMO


Many Thanks for that almostgothic............ That too is the ONLY reason I can see................ I'm not sure how anyone else feels - but I think if I was in their position my main thought would be keeping SY happy.......... they've spent the last five years trying to convince Joe Public and I think by now most have their own opinion on what happened that fateful holiday................... If they alienate SY then they have no hope of convincing the Public.............. I still can't quite get my head around why they would be doing this and flagging themselves up to SY...................


Just how I feel flower, good post!!


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Re: What Hope Now

Post  marxman on Mon 13 Feb - 8:08

Oldartform wrote:Wow - what nastiness here. Such a shame. It discredits the forum.




Have to agree.

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Mon 13 Feb - 8:24

I find that when anyone comes on here to disrupt or attack then the only way to deal with them is to
I can't lower myself to discuss anything with them not even the weather.

Even if you are seething and desperate to fight back, DONT! that is just what they want.....dont retaliate,on so many occasions I see the ignorant posters poping up in different guises, just here to disrupt, and the majority seem to win, going back under their stone feeling very proud of themselves.



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Re: What Hope Now

Post  nospinnaker on Mon 13 Feb - 8:38

There's no less Hope now than there was yesterday or last week or last month.

Remember Faith, Hope and Charity? The last three remaining Gladiator biplane fighter left to defend Malta? Maybe you don't because it's a long time ago, but they kept the hopes of the Maltase garrison alive until reinforcements could come.

There are another set of aircraft defending some more islands now. Faith, Hope and Charity are joined now by Desperation. These are the four Typhoon fighters on Air Defence duty in the Falklands, deterring another Argentinian adventure.

Hope still burns brightly. Just because TB has had a setback (and it is a setback, a minor one), and because some journalist has submitted a piece about Senor Amaral making a few bob from sales of his book, and because of a few minor other setbacks here and there.

The McCann machine runs on Faith - blind faith that everything they say is true. They have fed us and the rest of the public their authorised version of events, and they have kept the spinning wheel of fabricated reality going for years dripping new snippets into the general consciousness. Many of the deluded or the simple have kept the faith, continue to post or disrupt. Look at the bizarre contributions on Brunt's blog, on Twitter, on here even. This Faith is fed by the professionals, the mercenaries of the information war. Their foot soldiers are paid from the Charity, which is their great defence and the source of their power. Since it was set up in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance the Charity (or, of course, the PLC as we prefer to accuarately call it) has seen millions of pounds coming and going. We have some vague idea about where that money has been coming from, but no clear indication of where it's been going to. Except of course we reckon that very little has been spent on any actual looking, any searching, any turning over of stones.

And we see every day the Desperation It appears when there's the tinyest hint of bad news - such as Pat Brown going off to PDL to have a look for herself. That's looking, not with any expectation of turning up a body or an answer, but looking nonetheless. And there's bad news when TB goes to court and the sordid business about entrapment is aired, with a possibility that it'll be further aired at the actual hearing. And there's the continuing background of British Police looking at the whole sorry business, stories that the Tapas group may well be called back in for questioning. Desperation calls for further spin, so we're fed the line that suggests the review is all being conducted with the McCanns on the bridge if not actually at the helm. Desperation calls for the disruption of fora, the bizarre spoutings of the worst of the twitterers, and the oily utterances of legal people close to the McCanns.

So, plenty of Hope now. Lots of activity in TM's camp, lots of spin about the doctors being in cahoots with the cops (as if!) and lots of twittering, not so much as birds in trees but the massed gobbling of a disturbed turkey house. Keep your Faith, remember after all this money has been spent, all this effort expended, all these prestigious legal eagles, spin doctors, pacts of tapas chums, after all that we're still here. We still don't believe them. We still think the Charity that isn't a charity is a sham.

And we can smell, feel, see and hear their Desperation.

Tick Tock.......

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  dazedandconfused on Mon 13 Feb - 9:38

kitti wrote:How is it an investigation by SY when they haven't talked to the investigative officers in charge off the investigation?

As the officers have been to Portugal, surely they must have talked to those in charge of the investigation there? They aren't telling the public what they're doing, but according to Kate, she's putting details of their investigation in her new book and implying that they're keeping her up to speed. If the brotherhood is involved with the SY investigation, they might just be doing so. Who knows? I don't suppose we ever will.

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 13 Feb - 10:25

Lillyofthevalley wrote:I find that when anyone comes on here to disrupt or attack then the only way to deal with them is to
I can't lower myself to discuss anything with them not even the weather.

Even if you are seething and desperate to fight back, DONT! that is just what they want.....dont retaliate,on so many occasions I see the ignorant posters poping up in different guises, just here to disrupt, and the majority seem to win, going back under their stone feeling very proud of themselves.



A rather good analogy for people who tend to come out at night, like the slugs and snails in my garden.

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  humanist on Mon 13 Feb - 10:57

Oldartform wrote:Wow - what nastiness here. Such a shame. It discredits the forum.




I could not agree with you more.
Amazed at the pettiness, bitchiness on display here.
Some good posts in between but mostly a replay on the old forums.
Say something someone does not like and get crucified at dawn.

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  Guest on Mon 13 Feb - 11:06

Yes, and how helpful of people to keep bringing it up, just as the thread has got back on topic.

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  Guest on Mon 13 Feb - 11:07

Excellent post, nospinnaker, BTW.

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  dazedandconfused on Mon 13 Feb - 12:33

testing testing

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  cass on Mon 13 Feb - 14:47

nospinnaker wrote:There's no less Hope now than there was yesterday or last week or last month.

Remember Faith, Hope and Charity? The last three remaining Gladiator biplane fighter left to defend Malta? Maybe you don't because it's a long time ago, but they kept the hopes of the Maltase garrison alive until reinforcements could come.

There are another set of aircraft defending some more islands now. Faith, Hope and Charity are joined now by Desperation. These are the four Typhoon fighters on Air Defence duty in the Falklands, deterring another Argentinian adventure.

Hope still burns brightly. Just because TB has had a setback (and it is a setback, a minor one), and because some journalist has submitted a piece about Senor Amaral making a few bob from sales of his book, and because of a few minor other setbacks here and there.

The McCann machine runs on Faith - blind faith that everything they say is true. They have fed us and the rest of the public their authorised version of events, and they have kept the spinning wheel of fabricated reality going for years dripping new snippets into the general consciousness. Many of the deluded or the simple have kept the faith, continue to post or disrupt. Look at the bizarre contributions on Brunt's blog, on Twitter, on here even. This Faith is fed by the professionals, the mercenaries of the information war. Their foot soldiers are paid from the Charity, which is their great defence and the source of their power. Since it was set up in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance the Charity (or, of course, the PLC as we prefer to accuarately call it) has seen millions of pounds coming and going. We have some vague idea about where that money has been coming from, but no clear indication of where it's been going to. Except of course we reckon that very little has been spent on any actual looking, any searching, any turning over of stones.

And we see every day the Desperation It appears when there's the tinyest hint of bad news - such as Pat Brown going off to PDL to have a look for herself. That's looking, not with any expectation of turning up a body or an answer, but looking nonetheless. And there's bad news when TB goes to court and the sordid business about entrapment is aired, with a possibility that it'll be further aired at the actual hearing. And there's the continuing background of British Police looking at the whole sorry business, stories that the Tapas group may well be called back in for questioning. Desperation calls for further spin, so we're fed the line that suggests the review is all being conducted with the McCanns on the bridge if not actually at the helm. Desperation calls for the disruption of fora, the bizarre spoutings of the worst of the twitterers, and the oily utterances of legal people close to the McCanns.

So, plenty of Hope now. Lots of activity in TM's camp, lots of spin about the doctors being in cahoots with the cops (as if!) and lots of twittering, not so much as birds in trees but the massed gobbling of a disturbed turkey house. Keep your Faith, remember after all this money has been spent, all this effort expended, all these prestigious legal eagles, spin doctors, pacts of tapas chums, after all that we're still here. We still don't believe them. We still think the Charity that isn't a charity is a sham.

And we can smell, feel, see and hear their Desperation.

Tick Tock.......
i think we may have more trolls here soon , always the same when stuff isnt going the mcanns way . as lilly says ignore

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  kitti on Mon 13 Feb - 15:05

dazedandconfused wrote:
kitti wrote:How is it an investigation by SY when they haven't talked to the investigative officers in charge off the investigation?

As the officers have been to Portugal, surely they must have talked to those in charge of the investigation there? They aren't telling the public what they're doing, but according to Kate, she's putting details of their investigation in her new book and implying that they're keeping her up to speed. If the brotherhood is involved with the SY investigation, they might just be doing so. Who knows? I don't suppose we ever will.






Didn't the attorney general In portugual say that KNOWONE has spoken to them?

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Post  Angelina on Mon 13 Feb - 15:11

nospinnaker wrote:There's no less Hope now than there was yesterday or last week or last month.

Remember Faith, Hope and Charity? The last three remaining Gladiator biplane fighter left to defend Malta? Maybe you don't because it's a long time ago, but they kept the hopes of the Maltase garrison alive until reinforcements could come.

There are another set of aircraft defending some more islands now. Faith, Hope and Charity are joined now by Desperation. These are the four Typhoon fighters on Air Defence duty in the Falklands, deterring another Argentinian adventure.

Hope still burns brightly. Just because TB has had a setback (and it is a setback, a minor one), and because some journalist has submitted a piece about Senor Amaral making a few bob from sales of his book, and because of a few minor other setbacks here and there.

The McCann machine runs on Faith - blind faith that everything they say is true. They have fed us and the rest of the public their authorised version of events, and they have kept the spinning wheel of fabricated reality going for years dripping new snippets into the general consciousness. Many of the deluded or the simple have kept the faith, continue to post or disrupt. Look at the bizarre contributions on Brunt's blog, on Twitter, on here even. This Faith is fed by the professionals, the mercenaries of the information war. Their foot soldiers are paid from the Charity, which is their great defence and the source of their power. Since it was set up in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance the Charity (or, of course, the PLC as we prefer to accuarately call it) has seen millions of pounds coming and going. We have some vague idea about where that money has been coming from, but no clear indication of where it's been going to. Except of course we reckon that very little has been spent on any actual looking, any searching, any turning over of stones.

And we see every day the Desperation It appears when there's the tinyest hint of bad news - such as Pat Brown going off to PDL to have a look for herself. That's looking, not with any expectation of turning up a body or an answer, but looking nonetheless. And there's bad news when TB goes to court and the sordid business about entrapment is aired, with a possibility that it'll be further aired at the actual hearing. And there's the continuing background of British Police looking at the whole sorry business, stories that the Tapas group may well be called back in for questioning. Desperation calls for further spin, so we're fed the line that suggests the review is all being conducted with the McCanns on the bridge if not actually at the helm. Desperation calls for the disruption of fora, the bizarre spoutings of the worst of the twitterers, and the oily utterances of legal people close to the McCanns.

So, plenty of Hope now. Lots of activity in TM's camp, lots of spin about the doctors being in cahoots with the cops (as if!) and lots of twittering, not so much as birds in trees but the massed gobbling of a disturbed turkey house. Keep your Faith, remember after all this money has been spent, all this effort expended, all these prestigious legal eagles, spin doctors, pacts of tapas chums, after all that we're still here. We still don't believe them. We still think the Charity that isn't a charity is a sham.

And we can smell, feel, see and hear their Desperation.

Tick Tock.......

I really don't understand why many people are so positive that the McCanns are desperate or that the clock is ticking faster than they can run. What is so positive about recent events?

They haven't returned GA's books...nothing has been done about it.

There are conflicting stories/dates about different trials.

TB has to defend himself in court...he's already backed down once before and now resigned from MF and may well go to prison. How is that positive?

Pat Brown is in Pt...what does she hope to find after all this time that hasn't already been found? She has no authority and no access to official files. She has theories (good or bad depending on your viewpoint) and that's about all. It is good that someone is actually searching and trying to do a reconstruction but unless someone in authority is prepared to listen it seems rather pointless.

There may well be some bad press for the McCanns as there has been in the past and what has happened...those brave enough to print it have been sued and lost and others don't have the guts to print. The McCanns have overcome it all before and I suspect will do again.

Like everyone else I would love to see some positive news, something discovered, something to prove what happened but I think we are as far from that as we ever were.

What is there to be positive about?


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Re: What Hope Now

Post  Karen on Mon 13 Feb - 15:27

http://www.algarveresident.com/0-45588/algarve/search-for-madeleine-continues

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  Guest on Mon 13 Feb - 15:51

Angelina wrote:

What is there to be positive about?



Because many of the recent and forthcoming events can be seen as opportunities, rather than as problems.

The Judge giving Directions in the Case vs. Tony Bennett has already acknowledged the vexatious nature of the Prosecution who have sought to drown Bennett in a morass of matters to respond to.

Rescheduling of Cases is commonplace and nothing can be read into the delay in the Case vs. Amaral. The burden of proof that McSpin have to demonstrate in Portuguese Law is all but impossible, particularly bearing in mind the history. So there is no reason to worry unduly about Amaral losing.

I'm not given to lengthy diatribes (Well, not often anyway!), so I'll let others contribute more "opportunities"

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  maive on Mon 13 Feb - 17:05

kitti wrote:
dazedandconfused wrote:
kitti wrote:How is it an investigation by SY when they haven't talked to the investigative officers in charge off the investigation?

As the officers have been to Portugal, surely they must have talked to those in charge of the investigation there? They aren't telling the public what they're doing, but according to Kate, she's putting details of their investigation in her new book and implying that they're keeping her up to speed. If the brotherhood is involved with the SY investigation, they might just be doing so. Who knows? I don't suppose we ever will.






Didn't the attorney general In portugual say that KNOWONE has spoken to them?

Is this true?!!! Because if SY has not spoken to the PJ, it doesn't look good.. My faith goes down, sad..

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  kitti on Mon 13 Feb - 17:25

Well I hope I read wrong but I'm sure they said KNOWONE has spoken to them......

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  kitti on Mon 13 Feb - 17:29



by: Paula Oliveira

The English police is investigating the disappearance of Maddie McCann without the assistance of Portuguese authorities. This information has been confirmed to TVI24 by the [Portuguese] Republic's Attorney General.

Three Scotland Yard investigators were in Barcelona between the 23rd and the 25th of November, following leads in the disappearance of the English child that disappeared from an apartment in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, in 2007. The presence of investigators in Spain may indicate that the child was taken across the border. But the Scotland Yard did not contact the Portuguese investigators.

«The Scotland Yard did not have any contact with the Attorney General's Office about that issue. In the process, there is no knowledge of the existence of any new data/facts about Maddie's disappearance. The process will only be reopened under the regulations of article 279 of the Penal Process Code, which is to say, if any new elements appear that invalidate the basis for the archiving», the Attorney General's Office states in a written reply to TVI24.

The case was archived by the Attorney General's Office. Approximately one year ago, Pinto Monteiro [the Attorney General] asserted that he would only reopen it if new data appeared.

In May last year, the Scotland Yard reopened the process after the personal intervention of the United Kingdom's prime minister, David Cameron.

It is not known whether the British investigators have discovered any new fact that the Portuguese police failed to notice.

In August this year, the Scotland Yard confirmed to [Portuguese news] agency Lusa that they travelled to Portugal in order to discuss the Maddie case with Portuguese investigators. At that time, the Judiciary Police (PJ) and the Attorney General said they did not know about that information.

in: TVI24, 06.12.2011




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Re: What Hope Now

Post  maive on Mon 13 Feb - 17:44

kitti wrote:

by: Paula Oliveira

The English police is investigating the disappearance of Maddie McCann without the assistance of Portuguese authorities. This information has been confirmed to TVI24 by the [Portuguese] Republic's Attorney General.


Well, you are right! It's soooo sad, I can't believe it.. And in the new book, kate saying she has new information about the review...

No, it doesn't look good.


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Re: What Hope Now

Post  dazedandconfused on Mon 13 Feb - 18:05

kitti wrote:Well I hope I read wrong but I'm sure they said KNOWONE has spoken to them......

Found this today, so looks like you're correct kitti http://smileyculturelies.blogspot.com/2012/02/met-corruption-on-mccann-review-there.html?spref=tw

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  mara thon on Mon 13 Feb - 18:09

If NSY haven't spoken to the Portuguese police then I think it is a big insult to Portugal and it's police force. The very fact that it was stated the findings of the "review" would not be made public just shouts "whitewash" in my opinion.

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Re: What Hope Now

Post  pennylane on Mon 13 Feb - 18:25

Why of course nobody has spoken to the Portuguese authorities...... if they did, they'd be told ALL roads lead to Rothley!

I say again, it was the Home Office who refused to turn over the most basic information on the McCanns in the first instance, hence hamstringing the investigation and thereby allowing the McCanns to slither back to the UK and continue on with their lives, making money hand over fist - and using the vast majority of it to prevent anyone from openly questioning their ridiculous version of events. The funding and the parameters of this "review" have been set by the Home Office; it has conveniently come full circle.

This so called "review" will be "whitewashed" almost as spotless as cuddlecat itself (imho).

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Post  jay2001 on Mon 13 Feb - 18:26

I live in hope that SY and PJ are not giving details to the press. But, if they do close the review without interviewing the main participants it will be wrong imo. Don't know their full remit, but would've thought to interview tm and the tapas (could be a rock group) would be absolutely essential. Those inconsistencies need to be resolved.

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Post  Oldartform on Mon 13 Feb - 18:30

mara thon wrote:If NSY haven't spoken to the Portuguese police then I think it is a big insult to Portugal and it's police force. The very fact that it was stated the findings of the "review" would not be made public just shouts "whitewash" in my opinion.

I find it hard to believe that Paula Oliveira article. It would be very rude and disrespectful of SY to go to Portugal to review a case without even having the courtesy to liaise with the investigating force. I don`t believe they would go into any country without doing this and tend to think that article is a wind-up. In fact didn`t SY`s own remit include liaising with the PJ. They would also surely want the co-operation of the Portuguese people? It would cause awful tension between the two countries if they behaved in that manner. Maybe they had liaised with someone briefly, said they would do their own investigations initially, then join up and exchange notes with the PJ.


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Post  maive on Mon 13 Feb - 18:34

pennylane wrote:Why of course nobody has spoken to the Portuguese authorities...... if they did, they'd be told ALL roads lead to Rothley!

I say again, it was the Home Office who refused to turn over the most basic information on the McCanns in the first instance, hence hamstringing the investigation and thereby allowing the McCanns to slither back to the UK and continue on with their lives, making money hand over fist - and using the vast majority of it to prevent anyone from openly questioning their ridiculous version of events. The funding and the parameters of this "review" have been set by the Home Office; it has conveniently come full circle.

This so called "review" will be "whitewashed" almost as spotless as cuddlecat itself (imho).

Sorry, it's not funny, it's quite the opposite actually.. But I 100% agree with you! We have to be mentally ready to accept that this review will be a whitewash.. There is no such thing as Justice when you are well-connected, rich, and evil..

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