Re: Needham vs. Healy

amber Thu 16 Feb - 15:06

cant find one online newspaper that has reported this interview.......speaks volumes doesn't it?

They usually manage to post an item as soon as the interview is over, well they do if it is about the
McCanns and their begging bowl.

**malena stool** Thu 16 Feb - 15:12

Panda wrote:
wjk wrote:
Panda wrote:I know this is not specifically to do with Madeleine but it deserves to be read, maybe for comparison.

I have just watched an interview on Breakfast T,V. with Mrs Needham and her effort to try to find Ben who disappeared 20 years ago.

Apparently kerry's Dad was renovating a Farmhouse in Greece and Ben, age 2 was playing nearby. After a while her Dad noticed it was very quiet and
Ben had disappeared.

The Farm was in a village, a dirt track road and isolated. His mother believes he was kidnapped, either to be sold or by a Mother wanting a child.

when asked how the search was progressing she said Greece will always be the first Investigators, but South Yorkshire police are now involved and CID Officers are also investigating. I don't know how they had it, but Ben's DNA has been taken from a speck of blood and an Artists impression of how he
would look today appears on the Internet, and Mrs Needham has used facebook and twitter for help.

Apparently Ben has a birthmark on the back of his neck which may have disappeared by now, but the one above his knee would not. If Benn ever reads
the internet info about him he might want to make enquiries.

Here is a Mother who has searched for 20 years without any of the benefits of a Fund, PR guy, Government support from day 1 yet she done more than
youknowwho and never given up hope.

Excellent Panda

Thanks wjk, that's the second compliment.....think I'd make a good Author???

I'd buy your book Panda, which is more than I'll ever do for the 'poor me', bewk ~~written~~ wrong word ~~penned~~ no, wrong again... churned together.. that's better, by a certain narcissistic woman who we all know who constantly craves attention... oh yes, and mustn't forget your money.

**Keela** Thu 16 Feb - 15:54

I'll buy your book too Panda. How do we pay for it though. Can we just put the money in an envelope and address it to Panda in Wales?

**wjk** Thu 16 Feb - 16:00

Keela wrote:I'll buy your book too Panda. How do we pay for it though. Can we just put the money in an envelope and address it to Panda in Wales?

**kitti** Thu 16 Feb - 16:10

I'm sure penguins sister book...panda books......will publish it .

Guest Thu 16 Feb - 16:31

I saw that interview this morning as I was getting ready for work, and I was waiting, just waiting, with baited breath, for the treacherous BBC to shovel the McCanns into it somewhere. Can you imagine my astonishment when they didn't get mentioned once! In fact I really felt quite deprived, because I was in the mood for a good rant Needham vs. Healy - Page 2 294124

but it is certainly changed days, before it would have been "here's Kerry Needham, and just like Kate McCann....".

I agree with other ppl here, Kerry has class and is dignified, she's never once begged for money, even although she was critical of the Greek police she was very polite and restrained about it. I hope she gets some sort of resolution soon, bless her.

**margaret** Thu 16 Feb - 16:32

malena stool wrote:Ben was given the Guthrieheel-prick blood test when he was born at Boston Hospital, in Lincolnshire, and the DNA has been stored by the NHS ever since.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needham-dna-profile-hope-97152

That's interesting Malena, so we know Madeleines DNA can be obtained in the same way.

**kitti** Thu 16 Feb - 18:01

Both my sons had the prick in the heal....that was over 30 years ago.

**dutchclogs** Thu 16 Feb - 18:24

Lillyofthevalley wrote:No Fund, No Government help, no rich backers and NO Clarence Mitchell to help her..........20 years on and she is still searching for Ben, Kerry is one very brave lady!

**malena stool** Thu 16 Feb - 19:37

dutchclogs wrote:
Lillyofthevalley wrote:No Fund, No Government help, no rich backers and NO Clarence Mitchell to help her..........20 years on and she is still searching for Ben, Kerry is one very brave lady!

Well said Lillyofthevalley, dutchclogs,
And without the constant publicity/begging/litigation/narcissism and let's not forget the harassment of Tom, Dick and of course poor old Harry.

**Panda** Fri 17 Feb - 22:08

Thanks for the video AnnaEsse......very sad, did they catch the culprits?

Thanks for your compliments , ann_chovey and I agreed a while ago that we would write the definitive book in Bali, then Angelique wanted to help so I
said she could carry the luggage and do some proof reading. Needham vs. Healy - Page 2 23324

**kitti** Fri 17 Feb - 22:31

Panda the culprits were her mother and her boyfriend .

They were both high on drugs and the boyfriend kicked the little girl so hard in the head it killed her, but not instantly .

They could off saved her but because there were outstanding warrants on both off them.....they decided to let her die instead .

Mother got 25 years and the boyfriend got life without parole.

**dazedandconfused** Fri 17 Feb - 22:34

kitti wrote:Panda the culprits were her mother and her boyfriend .

They were both high on drugs and the boyfriend kicked the little girl so hard in the head it killed her, but not instantly .

They could off saved her but because there were outstanding warrants on both off them.....they decided to let her die instead .

Mother got 25 years and the boyfriend got life without parole.

Sad and shocking.

**Panda** Fri 17 Feb - 22:50

kitti wrote:Panda the culprits were her mother and her boyfriend .

They were both high on drugs and the boyfriend kicked the little girl so hard in the head it killed her, but not instantly .

They could off saved her but because there were outstanding warrants on both off them.....they decided to let her die instead .

Mother got 25 years and the boyfriend got life without parole.

Oh kitti, that's terrible, how can adults do that to a defenceless beautiful child. then to cut off her head.....words fail me.

**kitti** Fri 17 Feb - 23:04

The detective in the case never gave up looking for her killers and never gave up wanting to know who she really was and he succeeded in the end.

Justice came for her even though it took neally 8 years but eventually it came.

Did you know the mother had 8 other children.....

The fact that the child's head was cut with shears or something similar makes me shudder and the mother wheeled the child in buggy as if she was a sleeping child and then dumped her like a piece off rubbish....

**Panda** Fri 17 Feb - 23:14

kitti wrote:The detective in the case never gave up looking for her killers and never gave up wanting to know who she really was and he succeeded in the end.

Justice came for her even though it took neally 8 years but eventually it came.

Did you know the mother had 8 other children.....

The fact that the child's head was cut with shears or something similar makes me shudder and the mother wheeled the child in buggy as if she was a sleeping child and then dumped her like a piece off rubbish....

It's making me feel sick.!!!!! I was only about 15 when I read in the Newspaper about an 11 yr old girl who was kept in a cupboard under the Stairs
and her Mother had sewn her dress onto her.I cried for days thinking of her, apparently the mother had other children but this child for some reason was
hated.

maebee Fri 17 Feb - 23:16

kitti wrote:Both my sons had the prick in the heal....that was over 30 years ago.

I'm surprised Kitti. I had you down as a young one :)

maebee Fri 17 Feb - 23:34

kitti wrote:The detective in the case never gave up looking for her killers and never gave up wanting to know who she really was and he succeeded in the end.
Justice came for her even though it took neally 8 years but eventually it came.

Horrific story kitti. I hadn't heard of it before. TM, I hope you're watching. Amaral is THAT etective. He WILL NOT give up until he finds out what happened to YOUR daughter.

**snowflake** Fri 17 Feb - 23:34

hello maebee

My kids are in their forties and had the heel jab.

your avatar is lovely.

Autumn Sat 18 Feb - 3:32

snowflake wrote:hello maebee

My kids are in their forties and had the heel jab.

your avatar is lovely.

I think the heel prick test is still carried out routinely. Wonder if the sample are kept to store babies DNA?

The next routine test your baby will have is a heel-prick test before he is a week old. Your midwife will carry out this test. She'll take a tiny amount of blood from your baby's heel. This blood sample will be tested for:
An enzyme deficiency, called phenylketonuria (PKU).

Cystic fibrosis, which affects the lungs and digestive system.

MCADD, a rare condition that affects the way the body converts fat into energy.

Sickle cell disease, a genetic blood disorder.

A thyroid deficiency.

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/baby/newborn/newborntestsandchecks/

**kitti** Sat 18 Feb - 8:39

I believe DNA should be extracted from EVERY newborn and sod human rights ......if blood is routinely taken then why can't a sample be put on a DNA data base ...a DNA worldwide data base.

Can you I amagine how helpful that would be

**cass** Sat 18 Feb - 15:19

all my children had this test i think its called a guthrey test SPELLING i think they are saved but not sure tbh

Autumn Sat 18 Feb - 15:28

cass wrote:all my children had this test i think its called a guthrey test SPELLING i think they are saved but not sure tbh

Its still a routine test I think cass and, if you don't want your baby to have it, the onus is on the parent to say so. I can't find anything to say whether the blood is stored on a DNA data base but if its not, then its something the government should be considering.

If Madeleine was given this test and her blood stored then there would have been no question about her DNA profile. As it is we only have Gerry's word for it that the pillowcase was Madeleine's. Still puzzled why they couldn't get any DNA from the apartment or her belongings, given that she had been there for nearly a week.

ETA - my belief is that she was there for just the first day or two.

Guest Sat 18 Feb - 15:34

Autumn wrote:
cass wrote:all my children had this test i think its called a guthrey test SPELLING i think they are saved but not sure tbh

Its still a routine test I think cass and, if you don't want your baby to have it, the onus is on the parent to say so. I can't find anything to say whether the blood is stored on a DNA data base but if its not, then its something the government should be considering.

If Madeleine was given this test and her blood stored then there would have been no question about her DNA profile. As it is we only have Gerry's word for it that the pillowcase was Madeleine's. Still puzzled why they couldn't get any DNA from the apartment or her belongings, given that she had been there for nearly a week.

ETA - my belief is that she was there for just the first day or two.

PLEASE do not buy into this myth that the PT Police are so stupid, that they would trust Gerry to provide an accurate DNA sample. There is no policeman in this world who is that gullible.

IMHO they let him go home for another reason entirely, and they were probably watching him the whole time to see what he really did. They certainly didn't let him go home just to get a DNA sample of Madeleine's.

Autumn Sat 18 Feb - 15:45

Do we know where the control Madeleine DNA came from?

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