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Post  Claudia79 on Fri 9 Mar - 1:06

I've just heard that tomorrow's (I mean today's) edition of the Jornal de Notícias announces that the Oporto PJ and SY are to reopen the McCann case.

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Post  matthew on Fri 9 Mar - 1:11

WOW!! Thats fantastic news...


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Post  Claudia79 on Fri 9 Mar - 1:13

matthew wrote:WOW!! Thats fantastic news...


I would be cautious, Matthew. But...

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Post  matthew on Fri 9 Mar - 1:15

Claudia79 wrote:
matthew wrote:WOW!! Thats fantastic news...


I would be cautious, Matthew. But...

go on claudia let it out....

i guess you cant help but be cautiously optimistic but...

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Post  Claudia79 on Fri 9 Mar - 1:18

matthew wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:
matthew wrote:WOW!! Thats fantastic news...


I would be cautious, Matthew. But...

go on claudia let it out....

i guess you cant help but be cautiously optimistic but...

I'm always cautious. I guess tomorrow we'll know more.

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Post  matthew on Fri 9 Mar - 1:29

Ok Claudia sleep tight we will see tomorrow

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Post  Claudia79 on Fri 9 Mar - 1:32

matthew wrote:Ok Claudia sleep tight we will see tomorrow

Thanks, Matthew. Sleep well too. I have a busy day ahead of me tomorrow!

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Fri 9 Mar - 1:43

oh lets hope so !!!!

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Post  matthew on Fri 9 Mar - 1:44

Just found this http://rr.sapo.pt/informacao_detalhe.aspx?fid=25&did=53783

The Judicial Police (PJ) Port and Scotland Yard reopens Maddie case, advances the "Journal News."

"Police do not give up the search for new leads," says the diary, the first page of this edition Friday.

In the Renaissance, Rogério Alves, lawyer for the parents of Madeleine McCann, says the issue is not closed. Faced with new tracks the process can be reopened, he said.

"The matter is not closed. The criminal case was closed with the filing, but the matter is not closed, because it still does not know what happened to Madeleine, who is to have kidnapped, which have actually taken place. Meanwhile is not discovered, the police can always resume an investigation and this investigation is that it may reopen the proceedings in the prosecution. "

Rogerio Alves said, "What happened now is that some of the information divulged to the police are to be taken credibly, is being checked for consistency and are to be reason to unleash a new set of investigations."

The lawyer is shown, however wary of a possible re-opening of the case Maddie.

"If the police as part of investigations that do, come to the conclusion that there are clues, evidence, evidence that might put the investigation in pursuit of those responsible for what happened, then, may be raised before the public prosecutor, based on these elements new request for a reopening of the case. Have they will already be premature to anticipate this scenario. "

Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007, the family's holiday apartment in a resort in Praia da Luz, in Lagos in the Algarve.

A British girl of three years slept with the two twin brothers, and parents, doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, were dining with a group of friends at a restaurant the 'resort' to about 50 meters from the apartment.

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breaking news case maybe reopened

Post  Justiceforallkids on Fri 9 Mar - 1:57

google speak


Maddie case may be reopened

Audio Rogerio Alves said police are examining clues
Audio Rogério Alves cautious about possible reopening of the case
Audio Rogério Alves: "The matter is not closed"

McCann family's Portuguese lawyer says that "the matter is not closed."
09-03-2012 0:59

http://rr.sapo.pt/informacao_detalhe.aspx?fid=25&did=53783

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Claudia79 on Fri 9 Mar - 2:02

Justiceforallkids wrote:google speak


Maddie case may be reopened

Audio Rogerio Alves said police are examining clues
Audio Rogério Alves cautious about possible reopening of the case
Audio Rogério Alves: "The matter is not closed"

McCann family's Portuguese lawyer says that "the matter is not closed."
09-03-2012 0:59

Merging with the already existing thread.

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Wintabells on Fri 9 Mar - 2:55

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/breaking-news-maddie-case-could-be.html




1:00am - The Judiciary Police (PJ) from Oporto and the Scotland Yard will reopen the Maddie case, advances the daily newspaper "Jornal de Notícias."

"The Police does not give up searching for new leads", says the daily in its cover page of this Friday.

Meanwhile, Rogério Alves the mentor of the McCann's lawyer team in Portugal is already spinning [pre-emptive spin] at Rádio Renascença and at SIC Notícias.

1:30am - Correio da Manhã contradicts Jornal de Notícias, saying the Judiciary Police will not reopen the case.

The Judiciary Police will not reopen the Maddie Case, since there aren't any new leads regarding her whereabouts.

ongoing translation

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Wintabells on Fri 9 Mar - 2:57

Will they or won't they? I guess the next few days will reveal the answer...

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Annabel on Fri 9 Mar - 5:36

Jornal de Notícias 9th March 2012 announces that the Oporto PJ and Scotland Yard are to reopen the #McCann case while Correio da Manhã claim in today's paper that the PJ will not reopen the case.

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  dutchclogs on Fri 9 Mar - 6:13

FANTASTIC NEWS

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Panda on Fri 9 Mar - 6:28


There has been no official announcement in the U.K. , I think CdeM has a good reputation, don't know anything about JdeN so I'm not getting too excited until the U.K. confirms.

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Post  SteveT on Fri 9 Mar - 6:51

Fingers crossed!

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Post  Panda on Fri 9 Mar - 7:10

SteveT wrote:Fingers crossed!

Yes indeed Steve T.!!

One thing bothers me, we are all sure that the McCanns had something to do with Madeleine's disappearance but they have always maintained their innocence.

They set up a petition to have a review, even asked Cameron Mitchell who agreed. Would they insist on this if they are guilty?

What if this case is re-opened because SY found evidence in the shelved file overlooked by the PJ that someone else could be a suspect and this is
why they want to re-open the case.?

Anyway, if the case is re=opened there has to be real evidence that they have a suspect in mind because so much money has been spent on this case
by the Portugese and LP, now SY.

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Post  Guest on Fri 9 Mar - 7:12

Now let's not start getting too excited just yet, folks. This is NOT official confirmation, from either NSY or the PJ. It is a report in a newspaper. And we all know how reliable THEY can be. Especially as there is a trial coming up, that they will be hoping to write loads about, and make money from - this could just be a build-up piece.

I'd love as much as anyone for this to be true. But we've faced a big build up and subsequent disappointment many times before. So I am just going to wait and see.

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Post  frencheuropean on Fri 9 Mar - 7:14

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/breaking-news-maddie-case-could-be.html

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Judiciary Police will not Reopen the Maddie Case
9 March 2012 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment




1:00am - The Judiciary Police (PJ) from Oporto and the Scotland Yard will reopen the Maddie case, advances the daily newspaper “Jornal de Notícias”.

“The Police does not give up searching for new leads”, says the daily in its cover page of this Friday.

1:30am - “Correio da Manhã” contradicts “Jornal de Notícias”, saying the Judiciary Police will not reopen the case.

Judiciary Police will not Reopen the Maddie Case

by Tânia Laranjo

The Judiciary Police will not reopen the Maddie Case, since there aren't any new leads regarding her whereabouts.

A Judiciary Police source told the CM that the process is, at the moment, being re-evaluated, in cooperation with a team of London investigators.

The team is coordinated by Helena Monteiro [Superior Coordinator of Criminal Investigation], from the the PJ in Oporto, and was set up several months ago. However nothing new was found that could help discover the whereabouts of the child. This is the second time that the PJ requests the aid of a “foreign” team to examine the process, in order to understand if there was a lead that wasn't followed.


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Meanwhile at about that same time [1:00/30am], Rogério Alves the mentor of the McCann's lawyer team in Portugal was already “spinning like Mitchell” at Rádio Renascença and at SIC Notícias.

Stating, with a straight face, the following: “The issue is not closed. The criminal process was closed with the archival, but the issue is not closed, because we continue to not know what happened to Madeleine, who abducted her, which likely happened. While that is not found, the police can always resume one investigation and that investigation is the one that might reopen the process at the Public Ministry”.

One has to wonder if Dr. Rogério Alves is enjoying his new role as a PR.

Let us look at what he says carefully - the Judiciary Police can do “one investigation”, in other words, a parallel investigation to the Official and Archived PJ Investigation. But there are no new credible leads to follow, so what exactly is the “one investigation” going to “investigate”?

And should the PJ really spend more two, three, four million euros - the latter being the alleged cost of the Official and archived PJ Investigation, paid by Portuguese Tax-payers - in an useless “review” that will result in nada?

What about all the other Portuguese missing children who never had those resources at their disposal? All of them together, did not even get one-third of what was spent in the Portuguese investigation to Madeleine's disappearance!


Or is Dr. Rogério Alves suggesting the Police should follow more valueless “shocking” leads, as revealed by Dra. Isabel Duarte in an impromptu press conference outside the Palácio da Justiça in Lisbon, in February 10, 2010? Which reminds me, what were the results of that “shocking” lead? Were the photos related to Madeleine at all, or was that just a pretext for something else?

Moving on. Dr. Rogério Alves, goes on to suggest that “one investigation” into nothing can actually reopen the Official and Archived PJ Investigation. I beg to differ, I fail to understand how that would be materially attainable.

Wait a minute, did Dr. Alves forget that his clients, Gerald McCann and Kate Healy can reopen the Official and Archived PJ Investigation if they come to Portugal - no, not to sue right and left - to do a reconstruction at almost zero cost for the Portuguese tax-payers, at least that would be comparatively inexpensive to the McCann's lawyer suggestions.

Yes, you can, McCann!

The McCann couple can reopen the investigation into their daughter's disappearance, if they do and ask their friends, dubbed the “Tapas 7”, to take part in the re-enactment and clarification of the events that took place on May 3, 2007, something that was requested by the Portuguese Police years ago.

Wasn't the reopening of the investigation to their missing daughter what the McCann couple asked to the English Prime-Minister David Cameron, in a letter published by Rupert Murdoch's tabloid 'The Sun'? To which the Sun, replied: 'PM David Cameron reopens Maddie McCann files' - only that wasn't true, was it? The case files continue to be archived to today, the police investigation is stalled.

To be able to reopen your missing child's police investigation by doing a reconstruction, wouldn't that be an opportunity that any desperate father or mother would take, that being perhaps the only step that the McCanns can take at this moment to reopen the police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?

Though Dr. Alves' clients, particularly the McCann acolytes, seem to want to highlight only certain parts of the dispatch that archived the investigation, and did not clear the McCanns of anything except of their arguido status [formal suspect according to the Portuguese Penal Code], since only a court of law can decide if a person is guilty or innocent; let us recall then here what the public prosecutor, José de Magalhães e Menezes, and the joint prosecutor João Melchior Gomes wrote in the archival dispatch: - “We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.”

But, as if Madeleine's tragic fate isn't sufficient, isn't what the prosecutors wrote another clear reason to do the reconstruction? “For the McCann arguidos” to prove their innocence. And while here in Portugal use that chance to dissipate any doubts and respond to the Police questions that were never answered...

Again, let us recall the probable reason for the above extraordinary spin - that is, extraordinary only for those who are not used to Team McCann antics, for the rest of us this is a mere PR exercise in damage limitation, preemptive spin to be precise. “The usual McWhoppers”, some would say. The reason seems obvious and was published in this blog just a few days ago, in an interview with the leading coordinator of the Madeleine McCann investigation, where the former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, said:

«The decision of that Prime Minister has been twisted. The McCann couple has spoken of a re-examination of the child’s “sightings”. When, in fact, what is known is that Scotland Yard, who were appointed to re-evaluate the whole investigation, has set aside the pseudo-sightings, focusing instead on the investigation process that remains archived. Elements from the Scotland Yard have been working with an investigative [Judiciary Police] team from Oporto (Oporto because Algarve and Lisbon have already been involved), and what is known is that the “affair” is not going well for the McCanns.»

Try again Dr. Alves, you're not as good as Clarence Mitchell, not yet at least.

Pre-emptive spin, indeed.


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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Panda on Fri 9 Mar - 7:24

Judiciary Police will not Reopen the Maddie Case
9 March 2012 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment




1:00am - The Judiciary Police (PJ) from Oporto and the Scotland Yard will reopen the Maddie case, advances the daily newspaper “Jornal de Notícias”.

“The Police does not give up searching for new leads”, says the daily in its cover page of this Friday.

1:30am - “Correio da Manhã” contradicts “Jornal de Notícias”, saying the Judiciary Police will not reopen the case.

Judiciary Police will not Reopen the Maddie Case

by Tânia Laranjo

The Judiciary Police will not reopen the Maddie Case, since there aren't any new leads regarding her whereabouts.

A Judiciary Police source told the CM that the process is, at the moment, being re-evaluated, in cooperation with a team of London investigators.

The team is coordinated by Helena Monteiro [Superior Coordinator of Criminal Investigation], from the the PJ in Oporto, and was set up several months ago. However nothing new was found that could help discover the whereabouts of the child. This is the second time that the PJ requests the aid of a “foreign” team to examine the process, in order to understand if there was a lead that wasn't followed.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Meanwhile at about that same time [1:00/30am], Rogério Alves the mentor of the McCann's lawyer team in Portugal was already “spinning like Mitchell” at Rádio Renascença and at SIC Notícias.

Stating, with a straight face, the following: “The issue is not closed. The criminal process was closed with the archival, but the issue is not closed, because we continue to not know what happened to Madeleine, who abducted her, which likely happened. While that is not found, the police can always resume one investigation and that investigation is the one that might reopen the process at the Public Ministry”.

One has to wonder if Dr. Rogério Alves is enjoying his new role as a PR.

Let us look at what he says carefully - the Judiciary Police can do “one investigation”, in other words, a parallel investigation to the Official and Archived PJ Investigation. But there are no new credible leads to follow, so what exactly is the “one investigation” going to “investigate”?

And should the PJ really spend more two, three, four million euros - the latter being the alleged cost of the Official and archived PJ Investigation, paid by Portuguese Tax-payers - in an useless “review” that will result in nada?

What about all the other Portuguese missing children who never had those resources at their disposal? All of them together, did not even get one-third of what was spent in the Portuguese investigation to Madeleine's disappearance!


Or is Dr. Rogério Alves suggesting the Police should follow more valueless “shocking” leads, as revealed by Dra. Isabel Duarte in an impromptu press conference outside the Palácio da Justiça in Lisbon, in February 10, 2010? Which reminds me, what were the results of that “shocking” lead? Were the photos related to Madeleine at all, or was that just a pretext for something else?

Moving on. Dr. Rogério Alves, goes on to suggest that “one investigation” into nothing can actually reopen the Official and Archived PJ Investigation. I beg to differ, I fail to understand how that would be materially attainable.

Wait a minute, did Dr. Alves forget that his clients, Gerald McCann and Kate Healy can reopen the Official and Archived PJ Investigation if they come to Portugal - no, not to sue right and left - to do a reconstruction at almost zero cost for the Portuguese tax-payers, at least that would be comparatively inexpensive to the McCann's lawyer suggestions.

Yes, you can, McCann!

The McCann couple can reopen the investigation into their daughter's disappearance, if they do and ask their friends, dubbed the “Tapas 7”, to take part in the re-enactment and clarification of the events that took place on May 3, 2007, something that was requested by the Portuguese Police years ago.

Wasn't the reopening of the investigation to their missing daughter what the McCann couple asked to the English Prime-Minister David Cameron, in a letter published by Rupert Murdoch's tabloid 'The Sun'? To which the Sun, replied: 'PM David Cameron reopens Maddie McCann files' - only that wasn't true, was it? The case files continue to be archived to today, the police investigation is stalled.

To be able to reopen your missing child's police investigation by doing a reconstruction, wouldn't that be an opportunity that any desperate father or mother would take, that being perhaps the only step that the McCanns can take at this moment to reopen the police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?

Though Dr. Alves' clients, particularly the McCann acolytes, seem to want to highlight only certain parts of the dispatch that archived the investigation, and did not clear the McCanns of anything except of their arguido status [formal suspect according to the Portuguese Penal Code], since only a court of law can decide if a person is guilty or innocent; let us recall then here what the public prosecutor, José de Magalhães e Menezes, and the joint prosecutor João Melchior Gomes wrote in the archival dispatch: - “We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.”

But, as if Madeleine's tragic fate isn't sufficient, isn't what the prosecutors wrote another clear reason to do the reconstruction? “For the McCann arguidos” to prove their innocence. And while here in Portugal use that chance to dissipate any doubts and respond to the Police questions that were never answered...

Again, let us recall the probable reason for the above extraordinary spin - that is, extraordinary only for those who are not used to Team McCann antics, for the rest of us this is a mere PR exercise in damage limitation, preemptive spin to be precise. “The usual McWhoppers”, some would say. The reason seems obvious and was published in this blog just a few days ago, in an interview with the leading coordinator of the Madeleine McCann investigation, where the former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, said:

«The decision of that Prime Minister has been twisted. The McCann couple has spoken of a re-examination of the child’s “sightings”. When, in fact, what is known is that Scotland Yard, who were appointed to re-evaluate the whole investigation, has set aside the pseudo-sightings, focusing instead on the investigation process that remains archived. Elements from the Scotland Yard have been working with an investigative [Judiciary Police] team from Oporto (Oporto because Algarve and Lisbon have already been involved), and what is known is that the “affair” is not going well for the McCanns.»

Try again Dr. Alves, you're not as good as Clarence Mitchell, not yet at least.

Pre-emptive spin, indeed.







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Post  AnnaEsse on Fri 9 Mar - 7:43

What news to wake up to. Over the past few days, we've had Gonçalo Amaral sounding confident in an interview and the McCanns giving their slimy personal attack on Amaral as a response. Leading up to this from both parties? I shall await further news with hope that the case is about to be reopened and also keep my fingers and toes crossed that a reconstruction will be part of the reopened investigation. Good luck Dr Amaral!!

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Post  NoStone on Fri 9 Mar - 7:48

Note the slant in the languae used in this piece:-

1:30am - “Correio da Manhã” contradicts “Jornal de Notícias”, saying the Judiciary Police will not reopen the case.

Judiciary Police will not Reopen the Maddie Case

by Tânia Laranjo

The Judiciary Police will not reopen the Maddie Case, since there aren't any new leads regarding her whereabouts.

A Judiciary Police source told the CM that the process is, at the moment, being re-evaluated, in cooperation with a team of London investigators.

The team is coordinated by Helena Monteiro [Superior Coordinator of Criminal Investigation], from the the PJ in Oporto, and was set up several months ago. However nothing new was found that could help discover the whereabouts of the child. This is the second time that the PJ requests the aid of a “foreign” team to examine the process, in order to understand if there was a lead that wasn't followed.


Its putting everything down to the discovery of Madeleine and slanted towards an abduction. It is blind to the fact that the investigation could be rre-opened if there was new evidence to ssupport other 'theories'. So CdeM are spinning!!

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Post  Guest on Fri 9 Mar - 8:33

Well whichever way the plates are spinning, it seems something is in the wind.

We have been patient for five years, so waiting a little while longer for the spin to unravel is no hardship.


For now, just "Woo"



The "-Hoo" can come later.

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Post  Oldartform on Fri 9 Mar - 8:36

Which of those two papers is more reliable?


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