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Post  ShabbyTiger on Fri 9 Mar - 15:26

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Let's hope SY have found easier access to bank, mobile phone and medical records this time.


Excellent point there, Margaret. The key may just lie in those records. Perhaps they have also looked at the phone and text records that were not allowed into evidence. They may also have seen the "stand alone" evidence that the PJ claimed to have back in 2007.

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I tend to put great store by what Joana Morais says...

Post  comperedna on Fri 9 Mar - 16:01

and currently she is clear that the case is NOT being 're-opened'... I suppose that means not right now, but I also suppose that if the reviewers, Portuguese and Brits together, thank goodness, 'notice' something which requires more investigation than a look through or look at (surely with all that money and all those people on the case it CAN'T merely be a paper-sifting exercise) they will have the option of saying that, after all, the case should be 're-opened'. What type of thing constitutes new evidence, or a revived line of inquiry big enough to be suitable for a 're-opening' of the case? Hey! How about the joint police investigators asking Mr and Mrs M directly... in some public place, or online... on TV or wherever... whether they would like the case to find their daughter fully re-opened... or is it a forum myth that the McCanns have the power to request a full 're-opening'? You can see the Portuguese wouldn't want to send good money after bad, they have spent shedloads on the case already, but the Brits are armed with a whole caboodle of dollar lolly which should surely get round that one. I'm now not clear what the significance of the case not being 're-opened' is... if the police are able to thoroughly go through everything... Can they not make requests of people without a 're-opening'? Come on you bar room lawyers. Help me out!

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Fri 9 Mar - 16:23

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16185533

Madeleine McCann: Portuguese Cops Review Case

]Portuguese police have launched a review of the Madeleine McCann case.

A team of detectives based in Oporto has been appointed to re-examine the original investigation into the little girl's disappearance from the Algarve in 2007, according to reports.
It is understood that the team from Portugal's investigative Policia Judiciaria (PJ), headed by senior officer Helena Monteiro, has been looking at the Madeleine case for some weeks now.

No new leads have been found that point to Madeleine's whereabouts so the Portuguese will not be formally reopening the investigation, the Correio da Manha newspaper reported.

Madeleine was three when she went missing from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3, 2007, as her parents, Kate and Gerry, dined with friends nearby.
Portuguese detectives, helped by officers from Leicestershire police, carried out a massive investigation into her disappearance.
The official inquiry was formally abandoned in July 2008.
Scotland Yard officers have been carrying out their own review since last May.
It was launched after a request from Home Secretary Theresa May supported by Prime Minister David Cameron.



Kate and Gerry McCann hope the case will be reopened

Speaking after news of the Portuguese move, McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry obviously welcome the work being done by the PJ in Oporto alongside that of the Met investigative team.
"They clearly hope that it will lead to the case being reopened in due course.
"There is good co-operation between the Met and the PJ, and Kate and Gerry remain grateful for the time and resources that have been put into the search for Madeleine.

"They will not be discussing any details whilst both the Met investigative review and the PJ work is continuing, but clearly it is a positive development.

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Panda on Fri 9 Mar - 16:25


Hi Comparedna,

I"m no legal eagle but will offer an opinion.

Under Portugese LAW, A Case can be kept open for 20 yrs and the Portugese know the McCanns have engineered the "Review" because they say the PJ did not do enough and there might be evidence not investigated by them. The reason the case was shelved is because there must be some evidence
such as the phone calls and the timelines of the Tapas group , maybe other info, but altogether not enough to go to Trial. If the case is opened, it is because the PJ and SY want to draw a line under the case and between the two Forces, we don't know have what evidence SY might have , close the case to ensure no more money is spent. The McCanns would have to accept that Madeleine is no longer alive because sightings around the World proved fruitless and if Amaral wins the case, the Fund would have to close and the McCanns ride off into the Sunset with their Booty.

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  chrissie on Fri 9 Mar - 16:27

Read this on MCF, thanks to Ines (hope it's okay to copy it here)

http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?ar ... &visual=61


McCann Family Lawyer States That The Maddie Case Will Only Be Closed When The Truth Is Known


By Sandra Henriques 09 Mar, 2012, 11:21 / updated 09 Mar, 2012, 14:52


The Maddie case is been reviewed and could even be re-opened. The lawyer for the English girl’s family did not express any surprise and emphasised that the subject could only be closed once the truth is known.

A new team of investigators specialised in disappearances, belonging to the Porto PJ, was named to investigate the case and is working in strict collaboration with the British police.

The news was broken by Jornal de Notícias, according to which the two police forces are reading the whole case in detail and an eventual re-opening of the case is not being discounted.

In statements made to Antenal, the Maddie McCann family lawyer in Portugal did not appear to be very surprised at this information, in spite of the case having been archived in 2008. Rogério Alves remembers that the police have continued to do their work, but emphasises that an eventual re-opening of the case could only take place if the evidence or proof collected were consistent.

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Post  Guest on Fri 9 Mar - 17:06



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Post  quickfingers on Fri 9 Mar - 17:15

Lots of spinning today http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112686/Portuguese-police-examine-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-bringing-fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry.html

All taken from the same press release no doubt put out by Clarence.

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Post  Panda on Fri 9 Mar - 17:24


I think the PJ will use the timelines and Tanner and Batista Statements to prove that the Tapas Group lied. Once they prove that beyond any doubt,
they will use the mobile phones evidence which was not allowed , the Home Office refusal to let the PJ have six months Bank Statements and whatever
else they have in the shelved files.

What if they ask the Tapas Group to attend a recon ...they couldn't refuse this time because it would be part of the review... the McCanns may yet rue the day they made a demand.

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Post  ShabbyTiger on Fri 9 Mar - 17:33

Panda wrote:
the McCanns may yet rue the day they made a demand.

I bet Sir Gerry is roaring like a bull and kicking himself! LOL! Wouldn't it be wonderful if their bluff has well and truly been called by Dave Cameron....

I bet Kate may be kicking a few beds tonight and calling Cameron a f***ing t*sser....

SY may now have access to all the records that were denied to the PJ....



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Post  welshy on Fri 9 Mar - 17:42

quickfingers wrote:Lots of spinning today http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112686/Portuguese-police-examine-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-bringing-fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry.html

All taken from the same press release no doubt put out by Clarence.

Thanks quickfingers

I find this part from the McCanns lawyer the most intersting

'I can’t go into any sort of detail and I hope people will understand me, but at this moment in time there is something that aroused enough interest from the Portuguese and British police to warrant this review in search of new clues.
Disappearance: The Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Portugal, from where Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007
'This is all I can say but obviously the most plausible explanation for what’s happening is this one, that information passed to or acquired by the Judicial Police in Porto has put them on the trail of something specific.
'I don’t have detailed information and as you’d expect they’re always going to be cautious in releasing information.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112686/Portuguese-police-examine-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-bringing-fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry.html#ixzz1odtYJGQy


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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Wintabells on Fri 9 Mar - 17:47

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry obviously welcome the work being done by the PJ in Oporto alongside that of the Met investigative team. "They clearly hope that it will lead to the case being reopened in due course".

If Mitchell is claiming they welcome the work of the PJ in Oporto, then I now believe the story that a team of investigators have been assigned to the case in Portugal and are working with SY.

Have the McCanns or their mouthpiece ever expressed a hope that the case will be reopened before?


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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  matthew on Fri 9 Mar - 17:49

Panda wrote:
I think the PJ will use the timelines and Tanner and Batista Statements to prove that the Tapas Group lied. Once they prove that beyond any doubt,
they will use the mobile phones evidence which was not allowed , the Home Office refusal to let the PJ have six months Bank Statements and whatever
else they have in the shelved files.

What if they ask the Tapas Group to attend a recon ...they couldn't refuse this time because it would be part of the review... the McCanns may yet rue the day they made a demand.

Theres no way out if sy request them to attend...3.5 million reasons why they should
p.s...can we get excited yet ???

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Wintabells on Fri 9 Mar - 17:59



..... ew

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Post  Panda on Fri 9 Mar - 18:00

ShabbyTiger wrote:
Panda wrote:
the McCanns may yet rue the day they made a demand.

I bet Sir Gerry is roaring like a bull and kicking himself! LOL! Wouldn't it be wonderful if their bluff has well and truly been called by Dave Cameron....

I bet Kate may be kicking a few beds tonight and calling Cameron a f***ing t*sser....

SY may now have access to all the records that were denied to the PJ....



Hi Shabby Tiger,

How many times have we had our hopes dashed that the McCanns will get their comeuppance????? Since there has been no denial from SY or PJ that
a review is to take place we can hope the story is true and there is no way SY will report to the McCanns. It is more than likely that no suspect will
emerge but hopefully the PJ will be exonerated and the report castigate the McCanns for blatant lying about the shutter, and impeding the progress of the search for Madeleine by employing their own Investigators.

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Post  Panda on Fri 9 Mar - 18:04

matthew wrote:
Panda wrote:
I think the PJ will use the timelines and Tanner and Batista Statements to prove that the Tapas Group lied. Once they prove that beyond any doubt,
they will use the mobile phones evidence which was not allowed , the Home Office refusal to let the PJ have six months Bank Statements and whatever
else they have in the shelved files.

What if they ask the Tapas Group to attend a recon ...they couldn't refuse this time because it would be part of the review... the McCanns may yet rue the day they made a demand.

Theres no way out if sy request them to attend...3.5 million reasons why they should
p.s...can we get excited yet ???

Hi matthew, as I just said, neither SY or the PJ have repudiated the Press reports, so yes, I would say we can be hopeful.

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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  ShabbyTiger on Fri 9 Mar - 18:15

matthew wrote:

Theres no way out if sy request them to attend...3.5 million reasons why they should
p.s...can we get excited yet ???

Yup. They have well and truly painted themselves into a corner. How can you "demand a review" and then refuse to attend a reconstruction. It's not 2007 any more, and "call me Stu" is not in charge any more.

It's 2012 and Scotland Yard and the PJ are in charge.... and something tells me that the PJ will be in no mood to be trifled with (to quote the bard!).


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Re: McCann case reopened?

Post  Annabel on Fri 9 Mar - 18:23

http://mariacpois.blogspot.com/

words written by others and posted here

FORCE, Man with H!
no assets or means of support.
Friday, March 9, 2012
A year ago. (Audio)
Deputy Director of National Judicial says this is normal procedure and no new data that could reopen the case.

09-03-2012 13:23

The National Directorate of Judicial Police (PJ) confirms that the Renaissance is to review the process of the disappearance of Maddie for a year now, in conjunction with Scotland Yard.

A review of all evidence gathered during the investigation, according to the assistant national director of PJ, it is common practice. Pedro do Carmo explains that the aim is to ensure that those elements not included information that would allow new runways.

"The National Directorate of Judicial Police was a year ago a working group who undertook the task to review the evidence from research appearing in the process," explains Pedro do Carmo.

The assistant national director of PJ says that this "is a common practice in modern police criminal investigation" and what we want "is to ensure that, in fact, these elements do not appear to information that may allow new insights into the circumstances in which Young was the disappearance of Maddie McCann. "

On the assumption of any new data that could reopen the case, Pedro do Carmo is peremptory: "No".

The assistant national director of PJ reiterates that "the working group's mission is to re-examine the familiar elements." "It's a group that has no long-term pre-determined, nor has a date for the submission of its findings" and that " also works in conjunction with the team that was formed by the Metropolitan Police. "

http://rr.sapo.pt/informacao_detalhe.aspx?



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Post  interested on Fri 9 Mar - 18:23

Encouraging that the Daily Mail and Express are allowing comments. The Express has an interesting one entitled, "MR. MITCHELL IS TWISTING THE FACTS!" in referring to the "****'s" spokesman.

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Post  ShabbyTiger on Fri 9 Mar - 18:27

Panda wrote:
Hi Shabby Tiger,

How many times have we had our hopes dashed that the McCanns will get their comeuppance????? Since there has been no denial from SY or PJ that
a review is to take place we can hope the story is true and there is no way SY will report to the McCanns. It is more than likely that no suspect will
emerge but hopefully the PJ will be exonerated and the report castigate the McCanns for blatant lying about the shutter, and impeding the progress of the search for Madeleine by employing their own Investigators.

Hi Panda, yes there have been quite a few false dawns. I think you are right in that the worst that can happen is that the review exonerates the PJ's work and highlights the McCanns' lies. Medium case: they all refuse to do a reconstruction and the negative publicity puts an end to their public image and the fnd. Best case: Those responsible for Madeleine's death and disappearance and the attendant fraud and perversion of the course of justice are sent to prison for a very, very long time.

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Post  Guest on Fri 9 Mar - 18:29

We need a "Squeaky Bum" Emoticon................

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Post  jejune on Fri 9 Mar - 18:33

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/09/madeleine-mccann-portuguese-police_n_1334576.html?icid=maing-grid7|uk|dl1|sec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D99719

Presumably they're all getting their information from the same place, but it adds to the info that slipped out a few weeks ago in (I think) one Sunday newspaper about the Tapas crew being talked to by Scotland Yard.

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Post  cass on Fri 9 Mar - 18:33

someone at work that doesnt believe the mcanns but doesnt go on any forums , said to me when this review got published in the sun that sy and pj will get together interview the tapas crew - they will say they were so pissed they cannot remember and after all this time put their hands up and say yes it was a longer time that we left our children , but after all this time are they the good tapas drs going to go to prison no . ive always wondered why the tapas havent been seen much since the express pay out . will this news about the review may have changed a few minds and statements ? it on;ly takes 1 person to break the chain and its game on .there could have been a tapas in a police station singing from the wrong song sheet

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Post  margaret on Fri 9 Mar - 18:38

welshy wrote:
quickfingers wrote:Lots of spinning today http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112686/Portuguese-police-examine-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-bringing-fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry.html

All taken from the same press release no doubt put out by Clarence.

Thanks quickfingers

I find this part from the McCanns lawyer the most intersting

'I can’t go into any sort of detail and I hope people will understand me, but at this moment in time there is something that aroused enough interest from the Portuguese and British police to warrant this review in search of new clues.
Disappearance: The Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Portugal, from where Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007
'This is all I can say but obviously the most plausible explanation for what’s happening is this one, that information passed to or acquired by the Judicial Police in Porto has put them on the trail of something specific.
'I don’t have detailed information and as you’d expect they’re always going to be cautious in releasing information.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112686/Portuguese-police-examine-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-bringing-fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry.html#ixzz1odtYJGQy


Well since nobody in the Mcs camp is singing happily from the rooftops (like the India 'sighting') we can confidentally assume the 'information' does not allude to an abductor!

We definitely need a squeaky bum emoticon.

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Post  Claudia79 on Fri 9 Mar - 18:48

Why is it that I haven't read lots and lots of happy, emotional remarks from the McCanns and their supporters? I assume the thing they want most in this world is getting the case re-opened and solved, right? They should all be ecstatic about this possibility! Cheer up, boyz and gals!

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Post  cass on Fri 9 Mar - 18:52

claudia just catching up , i knew when there was good news id be busy , yes they should be shouting from the roof tops , it will still be bad bad pj setting them up again choose what happens , wouldnt it be nice to see a press release from head of sy and the pj toghether . like the wonderful pic of g a and pat . and pat and tony

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