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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 10 Mar - 22:50

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-footage-of-eddie-cadaver-dog.html

Some documented evidence.

JAR/30: 3-4; 1940s to 1980s. Two fragments of burnt bone one is fragment of longbone? Tibia. Submitted to University of Sheffield with KSH/158. Origin confirmed as human. Submitted for dating awaiting results.

JAR/33: 3-4; 1940s to 1980’s.
Calcined fragment of bone. ?human.

JAR/53: 183. Cellar 3 Dark char rich deposit equivalent to 169.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
5 fragments of calcined long bone ?human.

JAR/54: 183. Cellar 3 Dark char rich deposit equivalent to 169.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
4 fragments of calcined bone ?human.

JAR/55: 183. Cellar 3 Dark char rich deposit equivalent to 169.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
1 fragment of calcined bone ?human.

JAR/57:183. Cellar 3 Dark char rich deposit equivalent to 169.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
2 fragments of bone of unknown origin.

JAR/56: 183. Cellar 3 Dark char rich deposit equivalent to 169.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
1 fragment of bone ?human.

JAR/67: 183. Zone 3 East Cellar 3.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Human Tooth: deciduous left maxillary first molar, age 9 yrs ± 3 yrs. Could have been shed naturally (Anthro exam).
Submitted to odontologist, see report.

JAR/69: 183. Zone 3 East Cellar 3.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Fragments x 3 of possible human cortical bone.

JAR/61: 183 Zone 4 East Cellar 3.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
23 Fragments of bone:
1 Burnt fragment which closely resembles a human juvenile mastoid process.
2. Burnt fragment of ?human mandible.
3. Fragments of burnt long bone x 3 measuring between 11.3 and 16.3 mm.
4. Fragments of unidentified burnt cortical and trabecular bone x 7.
5. Fragment of slightly burnt long bone measuring 33 mm. The cortex of the
bone resembles human but it is quite thick and the trabeculae can not be seen because it requires cleaning. It appears to have been cut at one end.
6. Fragments of unburnt unidentified long bone. x 3 The appearance and texture of the cortex of the fragments appears more animal than human but it is advised that further examination should be undertaken in order to confirm this.
7. Fragments of unidentified long bone x 7. 5 have been burnt and 2 haven’t. Species
uncertain although two of the burnt fragments could possibly be human

JAR/90: 183 Cellar 3 Zone 3 East.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Fragments of unidentified bone of unknown species. One which is calcined is possibly human bone.

Cellar 4 Context 169 (redeposited char material from fire elsewhere. Unsealed)

JAR/36: 169. Cellar 4 E. Charred material at southern end of Zone 4. Equivalent to 127.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Fragment of bone ?human.

JAR/37: 169. Cellar 4 E. Charred material at southern end of Zone 4. Equivalent to 127.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Fragment of burnt bone. ?human mastoid process

JAR/39: 169. Cellar 4 E. Charred material at southern end of Zone 4. Equivalent to 127.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Fragment of burnt bone ?human.

JAR/40: 169. Cellar 4 E. Charred material at southern end of Zone 4. Equivalent to 127.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Fragment of bone ?human.

GMK/18: 169. Cellar 4 E. Charred material at southern end of Zone 4. Equivalent to 127.
4 / 5: 1960s to present date.
Human tooth. Anthro exam – deciduous left maxillary lateral incisor. Age range 6 yrs ± 2yrs
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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  margaret on Sun 11 Mar - 11:43

Anna, huge thanks for bringing that here l would never have seen it. The rest of the piece deserves an airing, it's pretty explosive.

It's long but worth it. God bless Eddie and Keela!

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Once more VFC is able to bring our readers/viewers another, what we are told is, a world exclusive.

With the assistance of Former Senior Investigating Officer of the Jersey Child Abuse Investigation, and Former Deputy Chief Police Officer Mr. Lenny Harper, we are able to bring you exclusive video footage of arguably the world's most renowned Cadaver Dog "Eddie" not only working at the crime scene of the Former Jersey Children's Home, Haute de la Garenne, but alerting to the scent of human death.

Not a great deal of these Cadaver dogs work has been reported in the State Media, other than to discredit them,
so we asked Mr. Harper to document for us just exactly what is happening in the video below, what does a Cadaver dog do? How significant to the investigation the dog was? What, if anything did he (the dog) find?The results, it has to be said were astounding. Mr. Harper agreed to our request and once again we thank him for his commitment to the truth and justice.

For viewers information "JAR/6" is the fragment of child's skull.

00.00.0 Getting ready. I was reluctant to let the dog inside as I did not feel that it would do much good. In truth, I was a little sceptical – I had not felt a favourable impression from the handler (Martin Grimes) at our initial meeting and I was dubious, although my opinion of his qualities and integrity was to markedly change as events unfolded. I began to realise as I worked closely with him over a period of months that what I originally took as arrogance was simply supreme confidence in the ability of his dogs in the face of jealous, empire protecting rivals who were not as professionally capable. Throughout the investigation, we subjected Martin and his dogs to many ‘verifying’ tests, from burying swabs in sand (which he always found no matter how large an area), to minute blood stains. The dogs never failed. Many of these tests were carried out in front of Jersey politicians and media, including Channel Television and Diane Simon of the JEP. Frank Walker and Andrew Lewis were only two of the politicians who witnessed the ability of the dogs in hugely impressive displays. Funny how they all forgot this when they jumped on the bandwagon which sought to ruin Martin Grime’s reputation. One of the most spectacular exercises occurred when one of the Anthropologists brought a vial of sand back that she had removed from the tomb of a mummy in Egypt. We put this vial on a beach, below the sand, and let Eddie off to look for it. The dog amazingly sought it out in a few minutes and gave us the reaction you will see in this video. To get back to the start of the video and my initial doubts, after a few days outside I had at least gained a grudging respect for Martin’s hard work and dedication. I still was not keen to extend the search inside the house with the dog; however, I reluctantly conceded that we should look at all our possibilities so that we could walk away and say that we had given it a good shot. You can see me standing looking less than confident.

00.00.45 The first indication that the dog (Eddie) is finding something amiss. His behaviour has changed, and is remarked on by the handler. He is initially reacting further down from where we were to eventually find the initial fragment, (which ILM and others still incorrectly claim to be definitively identified as coconut) and in the flow of the drainage from the area where it was found. To clarify, Eddie is trained to trace the scent of dead human flesh. He will react where this scent is found, not necessarily where it was originally located. His strongest reaction will normally be where that scent is strongest, which will usually be where the dead flesh has lain longest, but he will sense it in areas where the scent has been carried, for instance, by drains.

00.01.08 Eddie is starting to react strongly now. Although still some yards from the finding of JAR/6, he smells something which has been carried down in the drainage from the original source. We were later to find that the drain ran down from where we found JAR/6 and where the bones were found by the builders, who suspected that they were also the bones of juveniles. One of them identified a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. These bones were found with children’s’ shoes which were to be later the source of interesting conflicts between the evidence of the pathologists and the staff at the Jersey Museum.

00.01.50 The doors and wall where Eddie is reacting so strongly now lead into the room where the top wall adjoins the stair area where JAR/6 (the infamous initial fragment) was found. Note the change in the dog’s behaviour, and the strong indication from his that there is something to be investigated here. It is important to note at this point, that the dog is only telling us that the scent of human death is here. He is not telling us that there has been a murder; he is not telling us that this is the spot where a body has been buried. He is only telling us that the scent of human death is at this spot. He is saying, “There is something here for you to investigate.” It is worthy of note, that this is also next to the location where builders found the bones which they thought were human juveniles, and where they were told that if they found bones to let “bygones be bygones.”

00.02.25 Eddie is now at the doors leading to the stairwell where both JAR/6 and the “builders’ bones” were found. Note that he is reacting strongly. To corroborate Eddie’s reaction we used the most up to date geological equipment supplied to us by the British Army and the Metropolitan Police (more services obtained through the use of contacts and a hospitality budget!) for which we paid nothing. These surveys confirmed inconsistencies in the sub floor levels.

00.02.39 Eddie is telling us that there is something we need to investigate on the other side of the door and he wants through to indicate this to us.

00.02.58 Eddie is now reacting very strongly and indicating to us that the scent of dead human flesh is in this location. This is where we were to find JAR/6, which the establishment continue to say was only coconut, but cannot explain how Eddie reacted as he did, nor indeed, how the lab at Oxford found Collagen.

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood.
Again, it is worthy of recall, that the builders who found the bones at this location thought they were human, and that one of them actually identified a bone as that of a child’s pelvic bone from the internet. Additionally, the police officer who was called to the scene was also dubious of the bones’ origins, as was the female pathologist who attended. She “did not like” the situation and referred the matter to her boss who said the bones where not consistent with being human. However, an Anthropologist later stated that he was incorrect and the measurements he quoted were entirely consistent with the bones being children’s’ pelvic bones as identified by one of the builders. The Anthropologist further stated that the Pathologist was not qualified to make the statement that he had.

00.04.06 Now Eddie has just left the wall adjoining the stair area where he reacted earlier. The drains in the building run from those stairs, under the adjoining wall, and down the room where we are now standing. As the dog is trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, he is now following the strong scent emanating from the other side of the wall and being carried in the drains under the floor of this room and down the room towards the corridor seen earlier in the video.

00.04.15 Note the dog’s return to the wall. This was almost the exact spot where JAR/6 was found. It is a few inches from where the builders found the bones which they thought were human and which they were told about, “Let bygones be bygones.” If this dog was a waste of money, then how did he lead us to this exact spot? How did he later, in the ‘live’ presence of Wendy Kinnard (the then Home Affairs Minister) and Graham Power (the then Chief Police Officer), lead us to the bones in the cellars which an Anthropologist in the United Kingdom said were “fleshed and fresh” when burnt and buried? It cannot be a co-incidence that this dog, trained to detect the scent of dead human flesh, reacted so strongly in an area where we were to find a fragment of substance initially identified by a professional, accomplished, Anthropologist, as a part of a child’s skull, and right beside the spot where builders found bones and children’s shoes which they thought were human bones. No amount of spin by Le Marquand and others can contradict this, and no amount of misinformation from Warcup and Gradwell can conceal this truth.

00.04.41 Eddie still on stairs, right above the location where JAR/6 was found. He comes down again to the exact spot.

00.05.20 Eddie still reacting strongly at the spot where JAR/6 was found.

This is the live video, filmed on a mobile phone as it happened. The film was made by the Homicide Search Advisor of the National Policing Improvement Agency, on his mobile phone. He was to later say that the way we had carried out the search of HDLG was a “shining example” and should be documented as an example of good practice. Where has this recommendation been lost in the mists? The reactions of the dog speak for themselves. Eddie is not telling us that murder was committed at HDLG. He is telling us that somewhere in the floor-space of the premises; the scent of human death has been present. He is telling us that there is something there for us to investigate. His findings have been corroborated by the finding of the bones and teeth, by the results of the surveys carried out by the most sophisticated of electronic geological equipment, and by the evidence of builders and former residents and victims of abuse in HDLG. This video totally contradicts the spin of Frank Walker, Andrew Lewis and Diane Simon of the Jersey Evening Post, all of whom were taken on a tour of the building and given a demonstration of the ability and capability of Eddie and his companion "Keela" the blood detection dog. All of them were aware of the true situation relating to the dog and the finds. All of them, for their own reasons, chose to ignore the truth and to peddle the myths of those seeking to discredit the victims of the horrific abuse within HDLG. They are now, in my opinion, exposed as craven cowards and not fit to lick those victims’ boots. As for Martin Grimes and the dogs that they have tried to discredit, they are now working full time for one of the best Law Enforcement Agencies in the world in the USA.(END)



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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  Oldartform on Sun 11 Mar - 11:47

I am madly in love .........

with Eddie

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 11 Mar - 11:52

Oldartform wrote:I am madly in love .........

with Eddie

Me too! He's my hero!

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Post  margaret on Sun 11 Mar - 17:28

Eddie is now reacting very strongly and indicating to us that the scent of dead human flesh is in this location. This is where we were to find JAR/6, which the establishment continue to say was only coconut, but cannot explain how Eddie reacted as he did, nor indeed, how the lab at Oxford found Collagen.

Collagen is not found in coconut or wood, it is only present in mammals
, which would seem to destroy the claims of the Jersey establishment, aided and abetted by the Jersey Evening Post and Channel Television, that JAR/6 is coconut or wood

Ooops! and there goes the coconut shell myth.

Interesting to note, another lab another cover up.......

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Post  jejune on Sun 11 Mar - 19:05

Whatever's happened here (or hasn't happened) there's something that makes me shiver whenever I see the name of this place. I only know what's come out in the general media (which is woefully little), but I just have a feeling that children definitely suffered there.

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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  Angelique on Mon 12 Mar - 1:35

Thank you AnnaEsse the video and margaret for the script.

I too can only say that Eddie is awesome! Keela is just as awesome too! I just can't praise Eddie enough and to watch him working like this is amazing.

I am saddened that responsible people should try and discredit these findings and cover up such awful evil deeds.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 12 Mar - 9:21

Angelique wrote:Thank you AnnaEsse the video and margaret for the script.

I too can only say that Eddie is awesome! Keela is just as awesome too! I just can't praise Eddie enough and to watch him working like this is amazing.

I am saddened that responsible people should try and discredit these findings and cover up such awful evil deeds.

I love watching him dashing around, really eager to do his job. He leads the humans and barks "Over here and over here.." That doggie is so intelligent.

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Eddie's nose

Post  mahlersghost on Mon 12 Mar - 11:06

It's all very straightforward up to the pont where the humans have to interpret what is found and then what what pressure is put on the investigators. Eddie and Keela do what they are trained for and are hailed as being world-class by officialdom and the media apart from two cases pertaining to children, where there appears to be some vested interest shenanigans going on. Amaral, Harper, Grime, Harrison and probably all half-decent criminal investigators know what the Eddie nose senses.

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Post  Annabel on Mon 12 Mar - 11:40

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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  Angelique on Mon 12 Mar - 14:57

AnnaEsse wrote:
Angelique wrote:Thank you AnnaEsse the video and margaret for the script.

I too can only say that Eddie is awesome! Keela is just as awesome too! I just can't praise Eddie enough and to watch him working like this is amazing.

I am saddened that responsible people should try and discredit these findings and cover up such awful evil deeds.

I love watching him dashing around, really eager to do his job. He leads the humans and barks "Over here and over here.." That doggie is so intelligent.

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I totally agree - I used to work with a springer spaniel her name was Bramble as she was always in the brambles searching - and after she went to heaven another springer called Pender. Their tails wagg as well when hunting and dashing around as you say. Both were so dear to me because they were so intelligent but they belonged to the Farmer I worked for and I used to take them into the fields everyday.

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Post  mossman on Mon 12 Mar - 15:25

what fantastic animals, and these two are very special indeed.

i would so love to ask the mccanns do they discount the ability of these dogs in the sourcing of drugs and if they consider the dogs sent to earthquake disaster areas to be a waste of time. in fact, i would like to ask that question of anybody who rubishes the ability of these dogs.

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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  margaret on Mon 12 Mar - 20:24

AND HAS APPEARED ON BBC WEBSITE IN THE LAST 20 MINS, MENTIONING EDDIE WORKED IN THE MCCANN CASE.

Can't post the video, please follow the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-17341983

Jersey blog uploads sniffer dog video
12 March 2012 Last updated at 19:59 Help

Video footage has been published of the initial stages in the Haut de La Garenne investigation for the first time.

In 2008, Jersey police began excavating inside the building and discovered what they said could be the partial remains of a child.

It was the work of a sniffer dog that gave officers enough evidence to kick-start their investigation and that is what is shown in the video.

The film was acquired and published by the blog site Voice For Children and the post includes comments from the senior investigating officer at the time, Lenny Harper.

The footage was shot on a mobile phone by police investigators at Haut de la Garenne in early 2008.


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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 12 Mar - 20:29

margaret wrote:AND HAS APPEARED ON BBS WEBSITE IN THE LAST 20 MINS, MENTIONING EDDIE WORKED IN THE MCCANN CASE.

Can't post the video, please follow the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-17341983

Jersey blog uploads sniffer dog video
12 March 2012 Last updated at 19:59 Help

Video footage has been published of the initial stages in the Haut de La Garenne investigation for the first time.

In 2008, Jersey police began excavating inside the building and discovered what they said could be the partial remains of a child.

It was the work of a sniffer dog that gave officers enough evidence to kick-start their investigation and that is what is shown in the video.

The film was acquired and published by the blog site Voice For Children and the post includes comments from the senior investigating officer at the time, Lenny Harper.

The footage was shot on a mobile phone by police investigators at Haut de la Garenne in early 2008.

Thank you, margaret. Brilliant that the BBC has picked this up.

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Post  matthew on Mon 12 Mar - 21:01

This video gives me the shivers,every bark tells a story...an evil story at that,these dogs are the dogs conkers & show-the mccanns claims of abduction as an impossibility.

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Post  aqeleega on Mon 12 Mar - 21:12

Every time Eddie barks it makes me cry. He doesnt know what significance his barks have, he is just happy to do his job. A lovely innocent animal just wanting to please and doing such an important job.

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Dog olfactory sense

Post  mahlersghost on Mon 12 Mar - 22:13

It's been seen before on this and other fora, I'm certain, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded that dogs and especially the best cadaver sensing dogs are much more accurate than their detractors care to admit.

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/2008/12/cadaver-dogs-how-reliable-are-they-at-detecting-death/

The McCanns have been tooled up from the start to mount a defence against anything found that implicates them in Madeleine's disappearance. The Zapata case bit them in the nether regions. Sandra didn't need to ask the dogs - they had spoken - one barked (Eddie) and the other stood stock still (Keela). I suspect that if the sampled items and places had been tested again by other well-trained dogs that the same results would have been gained. I'm surprised the McCanns did not get in their own team of dogs to try to disprove the findings.

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Post  Guest on Mon 12 Mar - 22:17

The McCanns hypothetical dog team would probably be unable to get out of the Designer Handbags in which they would be carried.

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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  fedrules on Tue 13 Mar - 15:00

This video and the accompanying explanations are really compelling. Mr Grime never attempts to lead the dog, as Kate suggested he did in P da Luz in her book, and it dispells any small doubts I had concerning Eddie's reliabitlity. How is the establishment getting away with such a scandalous cover-up or at least reluctance to investigate what may have happened in Jersey ?

Gerry and Kate should take note that nobody really believes that Keela and Eddies' alerts weren't linked to the presence of cadaver scent and human blood, both in flat 5A and in the car. Will the truth ever emerge though ? I sadly no longer have much faith that it will...

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Post  fedrules on Tue 13 Mar - 15:03

mahlersghost wrote:It's been seen before on this and other fora, I'm certain, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded that dogs and especially the best cadaver sensing dogs are much more accurate than their detractors care to admit.

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/2008/12/cadaver-dogs-how-reliable-are-they-at-detecting-death/

The McCanns have been tooled up from the start to mount a defence against anything found that implicates them in Madeleine's disappearance. The Zapata case bit them in the nether regions. Sandra didn't need to ask the dogs - they had spoken - one barked (Eddie) and the other stood stock still (Keela). I suspect that if the sampled items and places had been tested again by other well-trained dogs that the same results would have been gained. I'm surprised the McCanns did not get in their own team of dogs to try to disprove the findings.
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What is quite incredible is that Kate actually gets away with quoting the Zapata case in her book as being evidence for the lack of reliability of cadaver dogs...

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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  jejune on Fri 30 Mar - 18:32

Daily Mirror, 30/3/12:

"Dozens of victims of child abuse at Jersey's notorious "House of Horrors" are in line for compensation payouts of up to £60,000.

More than 70 ex-residents of the Haut de la Garenne children's home will be awarded the cash after a four year civil case against former local authorities. ..."

No time to find out more on this (dashing out to the pub), but this suggests that Eddie knew what he was barking about .

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Post  tanszi on Fri 30 Mar - 21:31

Of course he did, sometimes animals are more intelligent than humans, and these dogs dont lie or spin, unlike some people.

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Post  Fern on Fri 30 Mar - 21:39

tanszi wrote:Of course he did, sometimes animals are more intelligent than humans, and these dogs dont lie or spin, unlike some people.

Thats quite true Tanzi plus these dogs don't have any theory or agenda to follow either.

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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  Guest on Fri 30 Mar - 22:00

I have never seen a Dog use a Flip-Chart.

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Re: What Eddie found at Haut de la Garenne in Jersey

Post  gillyspot on Fri 30 Mar - 22:41

Gerry McCann showed what he thought of the dogs (and Madeleine) when he immediately tried to discredit them by contacting the Zapata lawyers to show that Cadaver dogs are unreliable. Then Zapata pleaded guilty to murder and it was brown trousers all round I am sure.

Still the lovely couple & their trolls keep trying to discredit EVRD dogs at every turn but Prout & now Pilley cases show that they are on shaky ground these days.

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