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Post  Panda on Sat 31 Mar - 17:11


This is a n excerpt for a very long Article in The Times dated Dec. 2007 regarding the Tapas Group Statements.....count how many differences you
find.
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I havn't finished reading it because this bit made me sit up.....according to The Times, it is Gerry , word for word who says as he went to check on the children he noticed the door to their bedroom was open wider than usual. Wasn't that Kate's testimony. ???? Also, the article says Gerry had a problem
with an achilles heel on 3rd May so didn't finish his 4.30 pm Lesson. Wasn't he at the Tennis Court when David Payne passed about 6.15pm and he
asked David to ask Kate if she wanted to bring the children to the Court.?











As he walked down the hill, Gerry saw Jes Wilkins on the opposite side of the road pushing a child in a buggy. Gerry called hello and crossed over to talk. Wilkins and his partner were eating in their own apartment that night, but their youngest still wouldn’t settle. It reminded Gerry of the fraught time he and Kate used to have with Madeleine when she was a baby. In his memory, they could never eat a meal together when they went out, as she was always disturbing them and needing to be wheeled off to sleep.

As Jane Tanner walked up the hill, she saw Gerry talking to Jes and, as she passed them, she saw ahead of her a man walking quickly across the top of the road in front of her, going away from the apartment block, heading to the outer road of the resort complex. The man was carrying a little girl who was hanging limply from his open arms. The sighting was odd, but hardly exceptional in a holiday resort.

Her daughter fine, Jane returned to the table. At 9.30, Kate got up to make the next check on her children, but Matt Oldfield was checking too, as was Russell O’Brien, and Matt offered to do Kate’s check for her, which she accepted. Gerry teased that she would not be excused her turn at the next check.

In the McCanns��?apartment, Oldfield noticed the children’s bedroom door was again open, but that meant nothing to him, so he merely observed all was quiet and made a cursory glance inside the room, seeing the twins in their cots but, agonisingly, not directly seeing Madeleine’s bed from the angle at which he stood. Afterwards, he could not say for sure if she had been there or not. Nor could he say if the window and shutter had been open.

He would get a hard time from the police because of this, during his interviews not long afterwards, being aggressively accused of taking Madeleine ��?you passed her out of the window, didn’t you! ��?being suspected because he had offered to take Kate’s turn.

Jane Tanner, too, would be accused of fabricating or misremembering her sighting of this stranger with a child. There could be no answer to such an accusation ��?except that she was an ordinary, honest person who knew what she had seen. Sometime after 10pm, Rachael Oldfield would go to Jane’s apartment to tell her Madeleine had been taken and Jane would say: “Oh my God. I saw a man carrying a girl.��?

It perhaps needs to be stated openly that all these timings and details, the way in which they weave and dovetail together, are based on witness accounts ��?corroborated not just by the McCann group but by others, such as Jes Wilkins ��?and that, despite suggestions to the contrary, there are no obvious contradictions or differences between them. Nor has any of the McCann group, at any time since, said they wanted to retract or change their statement.

That suggestion too is a lie.

Russell O’Brien checked his own daughter at 9.30 and found she had been sick. Jane returned to the apartment to be with her daughter, and Russell went back to the table. Russell would later fall under suspicion too, because of those few minutes he spent away from the table.

Finally, at 10pm, it was Kate’s turn to check the apartment. She only became alarmed when she reached out to the children’s bedroom door and it blew shut. Inside the room the window was open, the shutter was up and Madeleine’s bed was empty. Kate quickly searched everywhere and ran back down the hill and into the restaurant: “Madeleine’s gone, somebody’s taken her��?or “Madeleine’s gone, someone’s taken her.��?

Gerry stood up. “She can’t be gone.��?“I’m telling you she’s gone, someone’s taken her.��?

It was reported that Kate had said “They’ve taken her,��?as if it was someone that she knew. She did use those words, but only later, back in the apartment, in her despair, as she said: “We’ve let her down. They’ve taken her.��?

Matt went down to the 24-hour reception at the bottom of the hill to raise the alarm. The call to the police went in at 10.15. They arrived 55 minutes later. It is widely believed among the Portuguese media, and perhaps the police too, even now, that the McCanns called Sky News before they called the police. For the record, Sky News picked up the story from GMTV breakfast television, at around 7.30am the following day.

There was a latch lock on the sliding glass window, and the McCanns thought, but could not be sure, that they had locked it at the start of the holiday. They would later discover it was common for cleaners to open the shutters and windows to give the rooms an airing, so there was no way of knowing whether the window was locked that night or not and no forensic trace to indicate where and how an abductor had gone in and out. They could easily have used the front door, perhaps even had access to a key.

In the McCanns��?minds now, there is no doubt Jane Tanner saw their daughter being taken, but there was so little time to talk in the first few days that it was not until Jane saw the description of Madeleine’s pyjamas in the media, around Monday or Tuesday of the following week, that she told them the little girl she had seen was wearing the same design: pink top and white bottoms with a floral design.





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Re: Spot the difference

Post  margaret on Sat 31 Mar - 19:36

Panda wrote:

Russell O’Brien checked his own daughter at 9.30 and found she had been sick. Jane returned to the apartment to be with her daughter, and Russell went back to the table. Russell would later fall under suspicion too, because of those few minutes he spent away from the table.


So how did Russell tell Jane to come back to the apartment? Or did he too leave a child to raise the alarm that she'd been sick?

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Re: Spot the difference

Post  Panda on Sat 31 Mar - 19:58

margaret wrote:
Panda wrote:

Russell O’Brien checked his own daughter at 9.30 and found she had been sick. Jane returned to the apartment to be with her daughter, and Russell went back to the table. Russell would later fall under suspicion too, because of those few minutes he spent away from the table.


So how did Russell tell Jane to come back to the apartment? Or did he too leave a child to raise the alarm that she'd been sick?

According to Jane's Statement , it was her who found her daughter was sick...and went to get Russell who was in the middle of eating a Steak.
The Cook kept the steak warm and he returned at 9.55pm to find everyone had finished their dinner.

There are more holes in their Statements than a Colander. What about the one where Gerry was the one who noticed the door open wider?

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Post  dazedandconfused on Sat 31 Mar - 20:45

To coin a phrase, newspaper reporting on the McCann's has been "notoriously unreliable" so even though it is a Times article, I have doubts as to the accuracy of it. Although I am holding out hope that they will print further revelations about dining with Cameron as promised earlier today.

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Re: Spot the difference

Post  Panda on Sat 31 Mar - 21:06

The Times says all these Statements have been verified:-

In the McCanns��?apartment, Oldfield noticed the children’s bedroom door was again open, but that meant nothing to him, so he merely observed all was quiet and made a cursory glance inside the room, seeing the twins in their cots but, agonisingly, not directly seeing Madeleine’s bed from the angle at which he stood. Afterwards, he could not say for sure if she had been there or not. Nor could he say if the window and shutter had been open.

Oldfield listened at the Door, he did not go into the Room.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Sat 31 Mar - 21:08

Panda wrote:The Times says all these Statements have been verified:-

In the McCanns��?apartment, Oldfield noticed the children’s bedroom door was again open, but that meant nothing to him, so he merely observed all was quiet and made a cursory glance inside the room, seeing the twins in their cots but, agonisingly, not directly seeing Madeleine’s bed from the angle at which he stood. Afterwards, he could not say for sure if she had been there or not. Nor could he say if the window and shutter had been open.

Oldfield listened at the Door, he did not go into the Room.

If they did the verifying by consulting the McCanns or Tapas crew, that doesn't really give me a lot of faith in the accuracy of the article.

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Re: Spot the difference

Post  Panda on Sat 31 Mar - 21:17



Also, the article says Gerry had a problem
with an achilles heel on 3rd May so didn't finish his 4.30 pm Lesson. Wasn't he at the Tennis Court when David Payne passed about 6.15pm and he
asked David to ask Kate if she wanted to bring the children to the Court.?



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Post  Panda on Sat 31 Mar - 21:22

dazedandconfused wrote:
Panda wrote:The Times says all these Statements have been verified:-

In the McCanns��?apartment, Oldfield noticed the children’s bedroom door was again open, but that meant nothing to him, so he merely observed all was quiet and made a cursory glance inside the room, seeing the twins in their cots but, agonisingly, not directly seeing Madeleine’s bed from the angle at which he stood. Afterwards, he could not say for sure if she had been there or not. Nor could he say if the window and shutter had been open.

Oldfield listened at the Door, he did not go into the Room.

If they did the verifying by consulting the McCanns or Tapas crew, that doesn't really give me a lot of faith in the accuracy of the article.

It doesn't give me a lot of faith in the PJ.....this report was published Dec 07 well before the Files were released and we could read their statements,
the times is quite a reputable Paper.so where did they get their info.?

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Post  Panda on Sat 31 Mar - 21:23




Also, the article says Gerry had a problem
with an achilles heel on 3rd May so didn't finish his 4.30 pm Lesson. Wasn't he at the Tennis Court when David Payne passed about 6.15pm and he
asked David to ask Kate if she wanted to bring the children to the Court.?



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Post  dazedandconfused on Sat 31 Mar - 21:44

Panda wrote:
dazedandconfused wrote:
Panda wrote:The Times says all these Statements have been verified:-

In the McCanns��?apartment, Oldfield noticed the children’s bedroom door was again open, but that meant nothing to him, so he merely observed all was quiet and made a cursory glance inside the room, seeing the twins in their cots but, agonisingly, not directly seeing Madeleine’s bed from the angle at which he stood. Afterwards, he could not say for sure if she had been there or not. Nor could he say if the window and shutter had been open.

Oldfield listened at the Door, he did not go into the Room.

If they did the verifying by consulting the McCanns or Tapas crew, that doesn't really give me a lot of faith in the accuracy of the article.

It doesn't give me a lot of faith in the PJ.....this report was published Dec 07 well before the Files were released and we could read their statements,
the times is quite a reputable Paper.so where did they get their info.?

They had a spokesman (Clarrie) who was quite adept at getting the info out there.

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Post  Panda on Sun 1 Apr - 7:42




according to The Times, it is Gerry , word for word who says as he went to check on the children he noticed the door to their bedroom was open wider than usual. Wasn't that Kate's testimony?

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Post  dazedandconfused on Sun 1 Apr - 9:00

Panda wrote:


according to The Times, it is Gerry , word for word who says as he went to check on the children he noticed the door to their bedroom was open wider than usual. Wasn't that Kate's testimony?

Just goes to show that we can't believe a word that they say. Every statement they make contradicts another one - and that includes their spokesman Clarrie, who lies with as many teeth as he has in his head as the quote goes.

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Post  Panda on Sun 1 Apr - 9:25

dazedandconfused wrote:
Panda wrote:


according to The Times, it is Gerry , word for word who says as he went to check on the children he noticed the door to their bedroom was open wider than usual. Wasn't that Kate's testimony?

Just goes to show that we can't believe a word that they say. Every statement they make contradicts another one - and that includes their spokesman Clarrie, who lies with as many teeth as he has in his head as the quote goes.

Morning dazedandconfused......doesn't it make you mad that almost 5 years since Madeleine went missing the McCanns rule the roost and NO ONE
with clout, Political or Press has ever tried to query the Tapas 9 Statements, why the Fund should be paying for a Spokesman when the McCanns are
quite capable of speaking for themselves.?

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Post  dazedandconfused on Sun 1 Apr - 9:29

Panda wrote:
dazedandconfused wrote:
Panda wrote:


according to The Times, it is Gerry , word for word who says as he went to check on the children he noticed the door to their bedroom was open wider than usual. Wasn't that Kate's testimony?

Just goes to show that we can't believe a word that they say. Every statement they make contradicts another one - and that includes their spokesman Clarrie, who lies with as many teeth as he has in his head as the quote goes.

Morning dazedandconfused......doesn't it make you mad that almost 5 years since Madeleine went missing the McCanns rule the roost and NO ONE
with clout, Political or Press has ever tried to query the Tapas 9 Statements, why the Fund should be paying for a Spokesman when the McCanns are
quite capable of speaking for themselves.?

Morning Panda. It certainly does. I'm as mystified now about how they've managed to get along without anyone pointing out the glaring errors in their numerous statements, book etc, as I was at the beginning. It's just beyond belief.

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