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Post  Guest on Sun 15 Apr - 19:49

Oh dear. I have trouble reconciling the clear intelligence and articulacy expressed above with the apparent inability of the same person(s) to be able to evaluate all the publicly available intelligence about Madeleine's disappearance and at least consider that they have been led a merry dance.

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Post  Bobsy on Sun 15 Apr - 19:54

HiDeHo wrote:This is from March 2008

http://msngroup.aimoo.com/madeleinemccann/threatstosue.msnw-action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=505&LastModified=4675664530501715623.htm


http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/2008/02/mccanns-hired-corrupt-detectives-to.html
Dear Members,

We are calling for your support in targeting You Tube to have vile material removed from their website. We don't just want to send one or two complaints, we want to send a bulk within a 24 hour period. Our target for the 24 hour complaints period is Tuesday 26th February. On that day, with everything in place, we would like as many posters as possible to flag the material and send an email of complaint.

We were directed to the You Tube site a few days ago, regarding a really vile piece of video footage. We were astonished that You Tube allowed this to remain on their site and be viewed. In our opinion that sends the wrong message to millions of viewers. The video was of Madeleine talking from beyond the grave, asking Kate why she had killed her. Then we noticed other footage, just as vile, accusing Kate of killing Madeleine. It appears that in allowing this material to be viewed, You Tube supports it. People are openly accusing Kate and Gerry of killing Madeleine without any concrete evidence. What is more disturbing is that by their actions these people are promoting hate behaviour towards the McCanns. You Tube's inability to effectively judge material before allowing publication on their website, is allowing people to spread hate and lies about the case. Whatever happened to human decency and the principle of 'innocent till proven guilty in a court of law'? You Tube should review their publications criteria regarding this type of material because, currently, it's a free for all.

Here is what we are hoping to achieve with your help.
*Find as much unacceptable video footage on You Tube as possible and compile a list. At the bottom of this email are some of the links to footage we have found so far.
*Encourage as many people as possible to register at You Tube for the sole purpose of flagging this material and then e-mailing them a complaint.
*As already stated, we are hoping to make our voices heard over a 24 hour period, so as to target youtube with many hundreds/thousands of complaints. The date is set for Tuesday 26 February 2008.

Here are some of the links to the footage.
WARNING . IF you are sensitive to this type of viewing DON'T WATCH the video's, you can just list the footage links in your complaint.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q4W0XnQizxE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x1HU6iYHVVw&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9spzFFbM_pc&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=s6iEjpVvyPw&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RJyR3d7jjHo
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F46kt-NR8OU
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nWObudKqvS4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nvarUH8P3Fg&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3aC2i_vtPmY
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bTlEPpuDZGI&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pL5kY7LJA6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbh6Vx8qEO8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RHL_OHI9GIA&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UfM8xjSpgww&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IesnQ5lBuS8&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vEAySu-hTJo&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0aMljanhrkY&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Sau1GythcYM&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wEiztfdpL1U&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JcRCpcJnuW4&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U3mNfrXjasA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZGMHShn0ZE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APTUmKY-7Zw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRvgK6M2_7Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIpuIy5JdBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4W0XnQizxE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5lCyfAmw9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfM8xjSpgww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUcVncYr6xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz3HTefNxfc&feature=related

Your support will be very much appreciated.

WHAT TO DO ON TUESDAY.
On Tuesday, you go to each link that we have found, the list provided.
A....You then flag each video.

How do I flag inappropriate videos?
If you see a video that you think is inappropriate based on our Terms of Use (http://uk.youtube.com/t/terms), you can report it to us for review by clicking the "Flag as Inappropriate" link under the video.
This is the reason you are flagging the video's:
1. they are containing shocking or disgusting content
and
2. they promote hate speech

B......Then you report multiple video's, do your e mail complaint.
How do I report multiple videos?
We encourage you to submit as many URLs as applicable within a single complaint. This helps us solve your problem more efficiently than if you submit multiple complaints.
Go to:
http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/request.py?contact_type=vidcomplaint
And do your complaints e mail.

The Find Madeleine forum is proud to stand alongside our fellow forums HTFM, Forever Searching, For Madeleine and Only Madeleine in the fight to rid You Tube of these vile videos.

Please show your support by registering with You Tube and joining in tomorrow to flag as many of these vile videos as possible.

Together we will show a clear message to You Tube that we want this disgusting material removed from their website.

THANK YOU for your support."

That's the one HiDeHo.

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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Sun 15 Apr - 20:47

Whoever is sending these out, are they not bothered they get into the wrong hands......has anyone sent this to utube to let them know what has been going on.

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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  Bobsy on Sun 15 Apr - 21:01

Lillyofthevalley wrote:Whoever is sending these out, are they not bothered they get into the wrong hands......has anyone sent this to utube to let them know what has been going on.
Hi Lillyofthevalley, that was the instruction we received in February 2008. The people activating these complaints were of the proMcCann persuasion, and I am ashamed to say that I was one of them.

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Post  Guest on Sun 15 Apr - 21:12

Ah, now I see!

I misread your much earlier post and thought you were one of those whose video clips were whooshed, rather than you being a whooshee.

Well I commend you for your honesty and your clear change of heart about the Case

There is no shame whatsoever attached to being deceived, albeit briefly - it has happened to a fair few people, some of whom haven't the guts and/or common sense to see they might have been taken in.



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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  malena stool on Sun 15 Apr - 22:26

I would imagine that SY have access to all the files, including all those that the are not in the public domain, so it will be apparent to them just who is spinning a story.

The problem is, will they (SY) be allowed to challenge the McCanns' version or will the gagging placed on the story by Blair/Brown continue to protect them?

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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Mon 16 Apr - 8:22

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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  tigger on Mon 16 Apr - 9:33

Gosh! Bobsy, you are brave!

But this 'directive' was quite early, damage limitation exercise?
2008 the pay outs to the T7, Murat and TM from the press.
2008 finally the arguido status on all three is lifted.
2008 - lawyers advice to get further published material off the internet? Anything that clashes with the official version? Because the wording of this email isn't the usual semi-literate and emotional outpouring of pro- McCanns.

It's efficient, gives clear instructions and has all the details and references in order. TM? I certainly think so.
It's also quite early in the year? Februari 2008 - a concerted effort to gag all media.

In 2008 there was still hope that the lifestyle so briefly experienced in Portugal, the adulation of the press and the support of the whole of the UK, if not the world, was still within their grasp.

In 2008 the press was well and truly gagged, it remained only for the internet to get the same treatment - luckily it is a many-headed beast.


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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  Bobsy on Mon 16 Apr - 15:23

tigger wrote:Gosh! Bobsy, you are brave!

But this 'directive' was quite early, damage limitation exercise?
2008 the pay outs to the T7, Murat and TM from the press.
2008 finally the arguido status on all three is lifted.
2008 - lawyers advice to get further published material off the internet? Anything that clashes with the official version? Because the wording of this email isn't the usual semi-literate and emotional outpouring of pro- McCanns.

It's efficient, gives clear instructions and has all the details and references in order. TM? I certainly think so.
It's also quite early in the year? Februari 2008 - a concerted effort to gag all media.

In 2008 there was still hope that the lifestyle so briefly experienced in Portugal, the adulation of the press and the support of the whole of the UK, if not the world, was still within their grasp.

In 2008 the press was well and truly gagged, it remained only for the internet to get the same treatment - luckily it is a many-headed beast.


Hi Tigger, no not brave really just being truthful. At the same time as this video bashing we also sent another piece to hundreds of newspapers, large and small. Would you like to see what we sent?

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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  tanszi on Mon 16 Apr - 16:25

I would please

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Post  tigger on Mon 16 Apr - 16:32

O yes please, Bobsy!

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Post  the slave on Mon 16 Apr - 16:34

Spill the beans, Bobsy. I'm on tenterhooks now.

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Re: VIDEO - McMinute: Gonçalo Amaral Book Based On OFFICIAL POLICE FILES

Post  Bobsy on Mon 16 Apr - 19:16

Been off line, here you go. I have removed the name of the author, but that's what they were the author not the person behind it all, another confession I sent this to newspapers, I still have all the addresses.
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Issued: 27 February 2008

For Immediate Release

Madeleine McCann : ‘Evil thrives when good men do nothing’

In light of the fact that the police in Portugal have never officially released any information regarding the Madeleine McCann case to the public, and that we only have the often conflicting reports from newspapers on both sides of the channel, it can be safely said that none of us know the truth. There is no evidence in the public domain to implicate her parents and the presumption of innocence is a given in most countries. In addition, Kate and Gerry Mccann are prevented from speaking about the case due the Portuguese secrecy laws and their arguido status, and are consequently unable to defend themselves. All we really know, in fact, is that Madeleine remains missing.

The Madeleine Mccann case has to be the ultimate research tool for sociologists: Never before have we witnessed so many inexplicable aspects to a case which on the face of things should be relatively simple - a child is abducted from her bed and needs to be found. Instead, a complex, intricate macabre dance between police, press and forums has obliterated the real child, the real tragedy and grown into a self perpetuating monster.

The face of this monster has become increasingly twisted and distorted as time has gone by. Its grotesque visage has now replicated itself across the internet in the form of disturbing and degrading videos on You tube about Madeleine and her parents that have no place in a civilised society. When a missing four year child becomes a tool for sick amusement through the anonymity of the internet we need to question how far free speech and freedom of expression can be stretched before it becomes a habitual form of attacking the vulnerable and the defenceless. Thankfully, the recent closure of the Mirror’s Madeleine forum, which had become a refuge for such people has given many hope that there is a line in the sand. The only possible motivation of those that contaminate the net with such detritus is a narcissistic need for notoriety. We need to cut off the oxygen that feeds their hunger.

This situation has arisen due to the vacuum created by the lack of any real information in the case; a vacuum that has been filled by rumours, leaks and misinformation in the Press. Madeleine has become a caricature in the Media, and the sad consequences of this can be seen in full technicolor across You Tube. Freedom comes at a price and it seems Madeleine and her family are paying a very high price. Madeleine’s grandmother, Susan Healey, has recently launched a scathing attack on the Press, describing their treatment as ‘like being crucified day to day’. What has happened to us a society when the victims of a crime become tormented for the sake of entertainment and increased sales figures?

This case has opened up the eyes of many as far as the Press is concerned, and their pursuit of profit before truth and integrity has meant that many of us have chosen to make a stand by now refusing to buy newspapers at all. The Press may have shot themselves in the foot as a result of their Madeleine coverage. Their coverage has also mobilised people like ourselves to look more closely at what’s actually being written and what is being unleashed on the internet, and as a result we are no longer prepared to sit back and say or do nothing. Ordinary people are now drawing their own lines in the sand.

One such line concerns the vile videos on You Tube that use Madeleine and her family for some form of sadistic self-gratification.

‘Evil thrives when good men do nothing’

One internet forum has decided that doing nothing was no longer an option and has decided to take direct action to have these videos removed. Like minded groups have also joined this campaign and we hope that others will join us in righting this wrong.

What we are calling for is not a curtailing of freedom of speech but an enforcement of laws already in place to protect individuals from defamation. In addition, the family have already received death threats and any video that degrades and dehumanises them and portrays them as ’murderers’ in such a highly charged, emotional way has the potential to incite violence towards them. No one who advocates free speech would agree that it gives people an unconditional right to incite hatred or to put others at risk of harm.

We therefore hope you will join us in our campaign to get these videos removed and draw your own line in the sand.

Written by ****************** - for all those drawing a line in the sand.

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Post  tanszi on Mon 16 Apr - 19:58

thanks bobsy, does anyone know when the McCs received death threats, i dont remember reading anything about that in the mainstream news, which im sure would have been blasted across the redtops front page.

Thanks again bobsy. The article or letter wasnt written by just anyone, i would think it was written by someone who was educated and was used to writing such articles. the "For immediate release" is something that is usually put on articles by PR or other companies employed to conduct damage limitation exercises by releasing such articles to various media outlets. I noted again that it seems to be all about G and K McC, rather than Madeleine, how they are affected, how they cant speak out because of judicial secrecy. How they were able to let the world know they were arguidos and that K had been "offered a deal" remains something of a mystery.

I also understand that many people would have willingly undertaken the action requested without knowing about any discrepancies, or later reading the forums where internet nutters published the translated PJ files. What I find astonishing is the need to conduct and co-ordinate a targetted media campaign, purporting to be from concerned individual members of the public. Perhaps this is what G McC meant by the "wider agenda". jimo.

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Post  Bobsy on Mon 16 Apr - 20:08

tanszi wrote:thanks bobsy, does anyone know when the McCs received death threats, i dont remember reading anything about that in the mainstream news, which im sure would have been blasted across the redtops front page.

Thanks again bobsy. The article or letter wasnt written by just anyone, i would think it was written by someone who was educated and was used to writing such articles. the "For immediate release" is something that is usually put on articles by PR or other companies employed to conduct damage limitation exercises by releasing such articles to various media outlets. I noted again that it seems to be all about G and K McC, rather than Madeleine, how they are affected, how they cant speak out because of judicial secrecy. How they were able to let the world know they were arguidos and that K had been "offered a deal" remains something of a mystery.

I also understand that many people would have willingly undertaken the action requested without knowing about any discrepancies, or later reading the forums where internet nutters published the translated PJ files. What I find astonishing is the need to conduct and co-ordinate a targetted media campaign, purporting to be from concerned individual members of the public. Perhaps this is what G McC meant by the "wider agenda". jimo.

Hi tanzi, I sent this out to about 200 newspapers/journals, all small time places but nevertheless I was only one of many who were sending them in the 24 hour period.
At the same time as well as this and the video blitz there was an My Space blast but I couldn't do that so didn't take part.
As you say it is all about K and G and very little about Madeleine and I am ashamed to admit that I was taken in by this spin as many more like me were, many who now, like me, have seen the light you could say.


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Post  tanszi on Mon 16 Apr - 22:39

There is absolutely no need to feel ashamed about anything. You responded to what you believed in and understood at that time. It seems i was more cynical than most, and in the event that my thoughts and beliefs about certain aspects of this case are shown to be incorrect then i also shall acknowledge them, but i will not feel ashamed. jimo.

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Post  HiDeHo on Tue 17 Apr - 0:24

Good for you Bobsy!

Nothing wrong for having an opinion and acting on an opinion as long as you believe it to be true at the time.

No-one should ever feel ashamed for doing something they believe in.

I had a chuckle....its a good job I wasn't creating videos at the time or I would be having visions of you cutting off my oxygen! lolol

I am not one to feel anger towards the rest of the family. Even if they 'know', most people have 'been there' where we are in denial or choose to protect our loved ones.

Only those complicit in faking the abduction and hiding her body should feel guilt imo.

Personally, although I do not admire any of the T7 if they helped in the 'abduction' I prefer to not see them as 'guilty' of the original crime unless/until I learn otherwise.

They may just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, made mistaken decisions and could not turn back. They suffer without question as far as I am concerned.

Personally, I feel if they had 'a soft place to land' if they came clean, there would be a greater chance of learning the truth from them. Right now they know they would live in shame for the rest of their lives.

Oops, I'm heading into another 'Message to Matthew' post...better stop now!

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Post  tigger on Tue 17 Apr - 8:19

tanszi wrote:thanks bobsy, does anyone know when the McCs received death threats, i dont remember reading anything about that in the mainstream news, which im sure would have been blasted across the redtops front page.

Thanks again bobsy. The article or letter wasnt written by just anyone, i would think it was written by someone who was educated and was used to writing such articles. the "For immediate release" is something that is usually put on articles by PR or other companies employed to conduct damage limitation exercises by releasing such articles to various media outlets. I noted again that it seems to be all about G and K McC, rather than Madeleine, how they are affected, how they cant speak out because of judicial secrecy. How they were able to let the world know they were arguidos and that K had been "offered a deal" remains something of a mystery.

I also understand that many people would have willingly undertaken the action requested without knowing about any discrepancies, or later reading the forums where internet nutters published the translated PJ files. What I find astonishing is the need to conduct and co-ordinate a targetted media campaign, purporting to be from concerned individual members of the public. Perhaps this is what G McC meant by the "wider agenda". jimo.

I missed that, yes, the tone of the letter is reasonable and educated. Certainly on a par with the call for deleting the videos on YouTube. Same person?
So can't possibly have been Clarrie!
I'm thinking of some governmental person behind the scenes who wrote both letters. Someone who was preparing the case against the press? A few months later the process to get a settlement from up to 11 newspapers seems to have started.
I've seen one or two 'hate' videos but quite some time ago. Unpleasant and they don't give any real information. Just the straight interviews of the McCanns are much more revealing.

What is more interesting imo, is that this reasoned defense of the McCanns seems to have been limited to this short period of time. After that it was back to Clarrie.

It is partly based on fact in any case, since I did see one or two 'hate' videos. Death threats will happen in these cases - Amaral got them too and in his case, his dog was found dead.

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