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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Fri 20 Apr - 16:53

Lets hope that SY get to the bottom of Gambles involvement with this case......OR!

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  Fern on Fri 20 Apr - 20:55

Has it ever been established whether Yvonne Martin did indeed work with David Payne given her comment within her statement ?

Witness Statement

Date: 2007/11/14
Name: YVONNE WARREN MARTIN

"She adds that her hypothesis is that she may have come to know him professionally through work, potentially having been colleagues at work or have worked at the same place but she cannot be certain where she met him as she does not remember"





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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Fri 20 Apr - 20:59

I may be wrong but I thought she had then contacted the Police to ask them to check
the Sex offenders register.

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  mossman on Fri 20 Apr - 21:01

cherry1 wrote:I may be wrong but I thought she had then contacted the Police to ask them to check
the Sex offenders register.

Hi Cherry1, yes she wrote an annoymous letterr as stated below:-

She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  Fern on Fri 20 Apr - 21:02

Date : 2007 – 11 - 14

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Paolo Rebelo
From: Paolo Ferreira, Inspector
Subject: Expedient related to Yvonne Warren Martin


"The statements given to the PJ today by Yvonne Martin provide a concrete clarification of the reasons for her suspicions, which in my opinion, do not point to any concrete element that could, in any way, make other inquiries directly related to her statements, viable. "


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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Fri 20 Apr - 21:03

Thanks mossman.

When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children


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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  mossman on Fri 20 Apr - 21:21

cherry1 wrote:Thanks mossman.

When she was back home, following the case on English television, she saw the same individual and this time, her initial doubt faded and she concluded that she had seen the face in the course of her professional activity in child protection, not being able to discern if he was a suspect/arguido or witness

- She clarifies that she is capable of making a photographic identification of the individual, and emphasises that with the identified photo it is possible to access the database of the British Police and ascertain whether the individual is related to any crimes involving children


I assume she wrote the annoymous letter later then. We have no way of knowing what she did afterwards, she could well have checked her own files and records to establish where she knew him from and perhaps contacted the police again to further clairfy things. My reading of her other statements would lead me to believe she was fairly certain she knew him from somewhere. That is a very annoying thing in the normal course of life, it gets on your nerves trying to remember where you know somebody from and you don't rest until you remember.

In something as serious as this, i am sure anybody would do their best to sort out matters, in their own mind at the very least.
The Gaspers and YM would not have made the statements they did if they did not have an honest cause for concern. The subject matter of the discussions are obviously extremely serious and it is not an accusation you make unless you are fairly certain of your thoughts.
The silence from team mccann and indeed their friends is extremely strange.

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Fri 20 Apr - 21:24

Yes I believe the letter was written at a later date.

There was also I believe the list of Paedophiles visiting Portugal which was held back from
the PJ. That is strange, should be routine.

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  jd16 on Fri 20 Apr - 21:33

All things connected to Paedophiles....Held back

Anyone see a pattern here

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Fri 20 Apr - 21:42



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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  jd16 on Fri 20 Apr - 21:42

YM's first initial feeling on seeing DP was she felt she had seen him before through her line of work as a child protector

Gaspar statement: "The first time I heard of the terrible news about Madeleine's disappearance through the radio, my thoughts went immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holidays with the MCCANN in Portugal but he did not know."

I think the above speaks for itself

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Fri 20 Apr - 21:43

I would tend to agree.

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  maive on Fri 20 Apr - 21:46

I agree too! It speaks volume..

You know what? For me, it's not what DP did or said or whatever that bothers me.. no.. The world is full of sick people..

What bothers me is the reaction of K+G (the lack of, actually)..

How on earth normal parents would not react to those digusting gestures/comments? No, if parents can accept that, they can do anything.. All in my opinion of course..

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  Oldartform on Fri 20 Apr - 22:05

Does anyone know if DP lived in the North East Tyneside area or Plymouth area, because those are the areas YM
worked and where she would have supposedly come across him? I thought DP lived in the Leicestershire area.


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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  jd16 on Fri 20 Apr - 22:39

Dr Gerry McCann said on the day Madeleine was reported missing that Madeleine had been taken by a pedophile

The McCanns and their team repeatedly said that Madeleine had been taken by a paedophile or a gang of pedophiles

One of the McCanns’ close friends, a General Practitioner, said that on a previous holiday together, one of Dr Gerald McCann’s best friends, Dr David Payne, had made sexualised remarks and gestures about Madeleine

One of the suspects in the case, Robert Murat, was accused by two witnesses of having pedophile tendencies

Murat’s friend Sergei Malinka was also said to have child pornography on his computer

Jim Gamble, the Chief Executive of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), used the Madeleine McCann disappearance to highlight the danger of pedophiles

The McCann Team have highlighted the possible involvement of a named paedophile, Raymond Hewlett, in the disappearance of Madeleine

The connection between Ray Wyre, paedophile ‘expert’ and the McCanns

Am I missing something here?

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  Fern on Fri 20 Apr - 22:42

maive wrote:I agree too! It speaks volume..

You know what? For me, it's not what DP did or said or whatever that bothers me.. no.. The world is full of sick people..

What bothers me is the reaction of K+G (the lack of, actually)..

How on earth normal parents would not react to those digusting gestures/comments? No, if parents can accept that, they can do anything.. All in my opinion of course..

If I had been the position and witnessed two adults making ANY suggestions that I felt was directed at a child, all hell would have broken lose.

This is what I just cannot get my head around, that nobody reacted.

Very strange indeed.

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Post  jd16 on Fri 20 Apr - 22:47

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/dc-ivor-messiah-leicester-police-holds.html

A major murder trial almost collapsed after a detective allegedly made "suggestive sexual gestures" to a female juror, it has been revealed. DC Ivor Messiah, who interviewed members of the 'Tapas Seven' as part of the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance, has not been in court since the resumption of the trial. Det Con Ivor Messiah, was said to have "puckered his lips" in a kiss and "flirted" with the woman, a brunette in her mid-thirties, across a packed courtroom. The Leicestershire officer also allegedly made a ring with the fingers of one hand - which he then poked with the index finger of the other

It's a pity that DC Ivor Messiah didn't thoroughly investigate the allegation of inappropriate behaviour from Drs Gerry McCann and David Payne from Leicester (witnessed by two other doctors) when they also made sexual gestures whilst talking about Madeleine...but then why would he when he does similar himself during a major murder trial?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7779460/Murder-trial-detective-made-sexual-gestures-to-juror.html

..Again speaks for itself

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  mossman on Fri 20 Apr - 22:55

david payne has always bothered me in this whole story. quite apart from the obvious written here, his presence during the holiday and in particular on the night of the disappearance was just too insignificant.

the impression i have, perhaps wrongly, is that he was the leading force in the group, making decisions about where they holidayed, arranging the booking etc. he does not strike me as a wall flower, sitting in the background, quietly.

but that is exactly what he did that night, because of his baby monitor, we are told. sometimes i think we look in the wrong direction. everyone else gets scrutinized as regards what they did and where they were. yet, bam, it is he who ends up to the forefront after the event with these terrible allegations.

just an opinion and probably a worthless one but him being so completely detached from the goings on troubles me.

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  jd16 on Fri 20 Apr - 23:01

Its funny but at the time when it first happened I was one of the suckers that believed the abduction and taken in by it (hadn't read the facts then!). I always remember seeing payne in the background on TV reports/interviews and my gut feeling was he was dodgy and could't help feeling I bet he had something to do with it, like ian huntley returning to the scene of the crime. Had no idea who payne was at the time except he just stood out for all the wrong reasons

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  jd16 on Fri 20 Apr - 23:09

Excerpt from The Truth of the Lie: Chapter 9 " It is all the more surprising that David Payne, who had planned the trip to Majorca - of whom it was known that his behaviour towards the children was, to say the least, questionable -, is the same person who organised the holiday in Portugal, that he is one of those closest to Madeleine and that he is the first friend of the family to have been seen with Kate McCann just after the disappearance (we will talk further about this). He was still present in Vila da Luz when the English police received that witness statement: (Gaspar) why wasn't he interviewed immediately? Without doubt, the Portuguese police could have made progress with the investigation thanks to that lead: such behaviour would merit close attention. Were we looking in the right direction? Might we have established a link with the events of May 3rd? It is difficult to seriously doubt these witnesses."

.....Gaspar statement given 16th May 2007...gerry suddenly goes back to the Rothley on his own 18/19th May for 'meetings' (comes back with the last photo & airport bus video!).....21st/22nd May 2007 paynes go back to the UK (does not return to my knowledge).....Is it possible both gerry and payne were alerted by LPP of the statement which they quickly went back to read through? especially as this statement was hidden from the PJ for 6 months

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The splendidly named DC Messiah

Post  Not Born Yesterday on Fri 20 Apr - 23:12

Sorry this is too obvious but I couldn't resist it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  marxman on Fri 20 Apr - 23:13

David Payne maybe the sole person in all this
being protected at all costs. Kate and Gerry,
small fry, but they may hold the key, and also
the protection racket to ransom.

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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Fri 20 Apr - 23:20

also comment of Sofia Leal

"My husband and I have never abandoned our daughters, or allowed paedophiles in our circle of friends. I am shocked that a couple who affirm to be religious is seeking to destroy our family", said Sofia Leal.


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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  laurie on Mon 23 Apr - 19:33

The Gaspars statments are credible imo

Why would two people ruin their Reputation by making sweeping statements about DP if they were nnot true?

K Gaspar was onto LP next day asking if DP was on that Holiday and made that statement as she was worried about waht had happened to Madeleine. Now after reading her statement then ask yourself why?

Some people do not like the Gaspars being mentioned but like everything else it is in the PJ files so holds as much credibility as any other statemets made be the TM and CO


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Re: Yvonne Martin meets Payne.

Post  cherry1 on Mon 23 Apr - 21:04

I wouldn't disagree with that laurie.

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