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Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 29 Apr - 10:58

What are peoples thoughts on this case? I took an open mind until I read this today


Warning call by GCHQ boss to police about Gareth aborting secret mission may hold key to his death
Gareth Williams's spy bosses expressed concerns about his state of mind
He'd been pulled from a case and missing from work for a week
By ROBERT VERKAIK and STEPHANIE CONDRON

Aborted mission: Gareth Williams' spy bosses were concerned about his state of mind at the time of his death
The handlers of ‘body in the bag’ spy Gareth Williams raised concerns about his state of mind on the day he was found dead inside his flat.
The inquest into Mr Williams’s death heard that a senior executive at GCHQ, the Government’s secret listening post, told police that the MI6 spy may have reacted badly after being removed from a covert operation.
A transcript of the call revealed that the executive added: ‘We are not sure how he’s taken that.’
The warning was passed on to officers searching for Mr Williams, who had been missing from work for more than a week.
He was expected at MI6’s headquarters at Vauxhall Cross, South London, on Monday August 16, 2010.
But his bosses did not raise the alarm until Friday and waited until after the weekend before deciding to call the police.
Mr Williams’s naked body was discovered in a padlocked holdall in the bath of his flat in Pimlico, Central London, on the evening of August 23.
The GCHQ warning has been seized on by Mr Williams’s parents as possible evidence of a cover-up about the truth of what happened to their son.
The intelligence services have always claimed the spy’s death had nothing to do with his secret work.
But the warning message appears to contradict this, as it suggests they were concerned about him after they had told him to withdraw from a secret operation.
Gareth’s parents, Ian and Ellen Williams, and sister Ceri, from Anglesey, North Wales, believe the ‘dark arts’ of an unnamed secret agency may have been involved in his death.
Evidence submitted to Westminster Coroner’s Court confirms that Mr Williams, who was on secondment to MI6 from GCHQ in Cheltenham, had been involved in covert operations in the months before he died.
The spy worked in a four-man team as an expert code breaker and shortly before his death had been in contact with two secret agents working in the field in the UK.

Concerns: Transcript of phone call from GCHQ to the Met about Gareth Williams the day his body was found
On August 11 he returned to London following a six-week visit to the US, where he had been part of a contingent of UK spies sent to a computer intelligence conference, known as the Black Hat.
The coroner, Dr Fiona Wilcox, said on Friday that the Las Vegas conference attracted criminal hackers who attend the briefings to keep up with the latest developments in computer technology.
But it is also used by security agencies from Britain and America to target hackers.
The FBI has been reported to have sent teams of undercover agents to the conference to break up hacking cells, and also to mount clandestine operations to recruit criminal hackers as informants.
If Mr Williams had gone to Las Vegas as part of an active intelligence operation he could have been exposed to dangers from criminal hacking gangs.
But GCHQ insists that its officers in the US faced no greater risk than they did in the UK.
His bosses also say Mr Williams, who was due to end his secondment with MI6 in September 2010, had not been working on an undercover operation at the time he went missing.
The eight-day delay in GCHQ and MI6 telling police he was officially missing has provoked accusations from his family that they knew something ‘horrible’ had happened to him.

Caught on camera: CCTV footage of Mr Williams at a tube station on August 14
The inquest heard of a transcript of the call, made at 4.41pm on the 23rd by senior GCHQ officer Helen Yelland, in which she said: ‘He was last spoken to on Friday 13th. He was expected into work all of last week and did not appear.
Both the landline and mobile phones are not picked up. The mobile is switched off. His sister was expecting to stay with him on Wednesday this week and she has not been able to contact him.’
The Metropolitan Police operator asked if there were any concerns, to which Ms Yelland replies: ‘He is going to be coming back to Cheltenham because he’s just been pulled back from a job he’s supposed to do and we are not sure how he’s taken that.’
Police suspect another person was involved in Mr Williams’s death and experts believe he was likely to have been unconscious or dead when he was placed in the bag.
Forensic experts are still examining Mr Williams’s mobile phone after it emerged on Friday that all the data on it had been wiped.
Detective Constable Robert Burrows told the inquest that he was unable to say when the iPhone, which was found in the living room of the flat, had been wiped before or after the spy’s death.
The inquest has also heard how traces of the date-rape drug GHB were found in Mr Williams’s body.
Forensic scientist Denise Stanworth said the traces were ‘probably’ naturally occurring, which is common after death, but admitted she could not rule out that it had been taken.
MI6 has apologised for failing to raise the alarm about his disappearance, conceding the error may have hampered police inquiries.
The inquest will tomorrow be told the results of an investigation into a second post-mortem examination ordered by the coroner’s office in the days after Mr Williams’s death.
The spy’s family want to know why the police were not informed of this post-mortem examination, as they would have been in an ordinary murder inquiry.

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‘Even Houdini would struggle’ to padlock himself in the holdall body-in-the-bag spy was found dead in
Landlady of body-in-the-bag spy tells court she found him 'tied to his bed as he wanted to try to escape by himself' three years before mystery death
During the inquest, spies from MI6 and GCHQ have given evidence behind screens to protect their identities and Foreign Secretary William Hague has signed an order prohibiting the disclosure of details of Mr Williams’s work.
The family’s barrister, Anthony O’Toole, told the inquest that since MI6 performed such an ‘important job’ it was even more vital that Mr Williams’s team leader – known as Witness G – should have done more to raise the alarm about the spy’s absence from work.
It took Witness G five days before he visited Mr Williams’s flat.

Dark arts: Mr Williams' family believe other secret agents were involved in his death
The team leader has told the inquest he had been preparing to go into the field on a secret operation in the week the Welsh spy went missing.
The coroner has heard the dead spy was considered a ‘world-class’ intelligence officer by GCHQ. Stephen Gale, Mr Williams’s boss in Cheltenham, said the maths prodigy had won two awards for his code-breaking work.
Dr Wilcox has intimated that she is prepared to consider a verdict of unlawful killing if she believes another person was involved in the death.
The family want the coroner to explore the possibility that Mr Williams’s flat may have been wiped of other people’s DNA and the spy’s office computers tampered with.
The electronic equipment was handed to Scotland Yard’s counter-terrorism command, SO15, on August 27, four days after the death came to light, the inquest heard.
Mr O’Toole noted there was not ‘any statement from any person at GCHQ to say that equipment was not tampered with’ in the interim period.
But Superintendent Michael Broster, who was responsible for SO15’s involvement in the investigation, insisted Mr Williams’s workplace had been ‘sealed and taped’.




There was one of his friends who gave an interview previously about his sexuality and said that this was so out of his general character and that Gareth would have told them if he was gay or liked to cross dress. I kind of think now, with the womans wig being found and the research into cross dressing, as well as the shoes that his spy target was a member of the gay community (hence being 'pulled back')

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Re: Gareth Williams - GCHQ Spy found dead in a Holdall

Post  Chris on Sun 29 Apr - 11:12

The police attempts (all 300 of them) to prove he locked himself in the holdall is similar to claiming an abduction simply because it was feasible. Whatever happened to relying upon evidence to prove a thesis.

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Post  NoStone on Sun 29 Apr - 11:53

I have been following thhis case from day 1. What I have heard along the grapevine is that he was a brilliant mathematician and was a code breaker - seconded to MI^ to do just that. The speculation is that he de-coded something he should not have seen and was due to be sent back but by then it was too late - he had seen enough of the info for him to be a risk.

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Post  tanszi on Sun 29 Apr - 11:58

would i be correct in guessing that the padlock was on the outside of the bag and so would render it impossible for Gareth to padlock it himself him being in bag. oh and he was gay, so what do people really think that gay people can be blackmailed these days, oh and a cross dresser. well theres hundreds of them through out the country doing a Drag race, sponsored by Boots called Here Come the Girls, blokes dressed as girls, would they all be cross dressers and potential hits for blackmailers. jimo

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Post  kitti on Sun 29 Apr - 14:06

There trying to blacken his name but who cares if he was gay or a cross dresser....he was still a human being and he was murdered.

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Re: Gareth Williams - GCHQ Spy found dead in a Holdall

Post  kitti on Sun 29 Apr - 14:13

Oh yes....i saw the video off how he could off got inside the bag, zipped it up and padlock it....why kill yourself that way if your going to do it at all....I'm quite sure there are easier ways off killing yourself...pills....drink......slitting your wrists.....jumping off a high building , gassing yourself in a car (if you have one)...even walking in front off a bus but do me a favour .......slowly suffocating in a holdall......don't think so....I have this theory that it was put in the bath because off leakage and perhaps the murderer was hoping that it would would not be discovered for a while re finding the cause off death or planning on coming back when the time was ready to take it to a permanent hiding place.

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Post  chrissie1 on Sun 29 Apr - 14:42

Killed, any-one who thinks that's suicide is nuts

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Post  marxman on Sun 29 Apr - 14:47

chrissie1 wrote:Killed, any-one who thinks that's suicide is nuts

Dr David Kelly springs to mind!

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Post  pennylane on Sun 29 Apr - 15:28

My own feeling is that it may have been a sex game gone wrong.

One thing's for sure though..... if this was a spook hit..... this case will never be solved.

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Post  wjk on Sun 29 Apr - 15:50

pennylane wrote:My own feeling is that it may have been a sex game gone wrong.

One thing's for sure though..... if this was a spook hit..... this case will never be solved.
The sex game gone wrong was my feeling too, more so after his landlady said she had to 'free' him after he tied himself to his headboard.

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Post  marxman on Sun 29 Apr - 17:12

wjk wrote:
pennylane wrote:My own feeling is that it may have been a sex game gone wrong.

One thing's for sure though..... if this was a spook hit..... this case will never be solved.
The sex game gone wrong was my feeling too, more so after his landlady said she had to 'free' him after he tied himself to his headboard.

or made to look that way?

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Post  wjk on Sun 29 Apr - 17:19

marxman wrote:
wjk wrote:
pennylane wrote:My own feeling is that it may have been a sex game gone wrong.

One thing's for sure though..... if this was a spook hit..... this case will never be solved.
The sex game gone wrong was my feeling too, more so after his landlady said she had to 'free' him after he tied himself to his headboard.

or made to look that way?

True marxman, so true.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Sun 29 Apr - 18:22

I'm sure I read recently that some escapologist had made numerous attempts to lock himself in a similar hold all and found it impossible. I'm sure the poor guy knew too much. Shades of Dr Kelly to me.

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Post  cherry1 on Sun 29 Apr - 18:27

It would appear that whenever someone is bumped off they try to make it look like a sex game
gone wrong! or a suicide!

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Post  Fern on Sun 29 Apr - 21:59

marxman wrote:
chrissie1 wrote:Killed, any-one who thinks that's suicide is nuts

Dr David Kelly springs to mind!

Fully agree.

To suggest that he even managed to lock himself inside that bag is daft enough let alone that he did it in order to obtain a sexual kick.

He was placed inside the bath for a specific reason in my opinion.

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Post  cherry1 on Sun 29 Apr - 22:02

Agreed, a pity we dont know exactly what he was working on, he obviously
knew too much!

Brings to mind the MP Stephen Milligan, another one who allegedly was disposed off and put down to
some sex game.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 29 Apr - 22:25

cherry1 wrote:Agreed, a pity we dont know exactly what he was working on, he obviously
knew too much!

Brings to mind the MP Stephen Milligan, another one who allegedly was disposed off and put down to
some sex game.

A recent mystery, but not put down to sex games:

Andrew Breitbart, US journalist, died during the night just before he was due to give a press conference on information he had obtained about Barack Obama. The coroner concluded that he had died of heart failure. Now, the coroner who carried out the autopsy has died of suspected poisoning.


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Post  SteveT on Sun 29 Apr - 22:39

AnnaEssa,

Yes, that story asks a few questions. They were claiming within a couple of hours that Breitbart died of natural causes.

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Re: Gareth Williams - GCHQ Spy found dead in a Holdall

Post  cherry1 on Sun 29 Apr - 22:41

Then we had the three police officers all dying I think within a month or so of each other,
Todd found at bottom of a mountain, officer who guarded Camilla supposedly shot himself, and another
officer just happened to fall of a ferry I think it was and drowned.

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Post  Loopdaloop on Mon 30 Apr - 0:17

I do agree with Marxman re: "it was made to look that way"

cherry1 wrote:Agreed, a pity we dont know exactly what he was working on, he obviously
knew too much!

Brings to mind the MP Stephen Milligan, another one who allegedly was disposed off and put down to
some sex game.

What was the story RE: Stephen Milligan?

I know the rumour is that Robin Cook got bumped off in a similar underhand manner...





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Oct 18th, 2010 | By T Stokes | Category: Breaking News, Editorials, Politics, War and Terrorism | Print


Former servicemen are usually more patriotic than the politicians they guard. One such patriot is former Minister for Defence (1964-70) Dennis Healey, who once said; ‘world events do not occur by accident, they are made to happen, staged by those who hold the purse strings’.

Among the opponents of these staged events was the late Labour politician Robin Cook, one of the brightest political stars in modern times, who was elected in February 1974 to the House of Commons as a member for Edinburgh Central. He was a left wing member of the Tribune group, and opposed renewing Trident. “Replacing Trident is against both our national interests and our international obligations”.[1]

Cook also wanted to stop the export of aerospace jet fighters to General Suharto’s repressive regime in Indonesia. As he told the Guardian:
“we will not permit the sale of arms to regimes that might use them for internal repression or international aggression. We shall spread the values of human rights, civil liberties and democracy which we demand for ourselves”.

Tony Blair’s revenge for this opposition, was to engineer a cabinet defeat for Cook in the most humiliating and confrontational manner possible.

War criminal Jack Straw accomplished a secret deal whereby Lord Taylor donated 50% of his election expenses.
Jack Straw under pressure to return donations from Lord Taylor:
Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary, is under pressure to return donations he received from Lord Taylor of Blackburn, the peer at the centre of the “cash-for-laws” scandal.

Lord Taylor was a director of Aerospace.

In March 1998 a diplomatic row blew up with Israel when prime minister Bejamin Netanyahu cancelled a dinner meeting with Robin Cook while Cook was in Israel. He was opposing the Israeli expansion plans in Palestine and Iraq. As reported in the NYTimes:
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu angrily canceled a dinner today with the British Foreign Secretary, charging that the visiting official had violated an agreement by meeting with Palestinians at the planned site of a disputed Jewish settlement.

Netanyahu was said to have caused problems for Cook behind the scenes and wanted him removed from office.

Cook was known to disagree with the aggressive Blairite foreign policies of New Labour, and finally quit his cabinet position in March 2003 over the second war on Iraq, his statement electrified the house, ‘I cannot support a war without international agreement or domestic support’.[2]

His enemies blurted to the press that Cook had being seeing another woman, and the newspaper hatchets were soon out to try to discredit him.

Why wouldn’t they? Robin Cook as Foreign secretary had direct access to intelligence operations and policy abroad, and 9 months before his death Cook was said to be breaking the official secrets act and discussing policy and future proposals. He famously exposed the contrived war on terror, revealing the history of America’s involvement with supporting Muslim extremists, claiming Al Qaeda simply meant database:
“Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally “the database”, was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden’s organisation would turn its attention to the west.” [3]

WideShut expanded on this in the 7/7 The Big Picture documentary:


Annie Machon the M.I.5 whistleblower has said she briefed Robin Cook weeks before he died and he was angry at Foreign office funding and support for Al Qaeda:
Cook died a couple of months after my partner Annie Machon — also a former MI5 officer — had buttonholed him at an election hustings last year and convinced him that MI6 at least had a case to answer. It was a couple of weeks after he had admitted in his Guardian newspaper column that the CIA at least worked closely with Islamic terrorists. [4] – David Shayler.

Cook’s long term friend, the flamboyant TV personality John McCririck, was a strong supporter of Cook’s political position. He lambasted Blair for snubbing Cook’s funeral, telling BBC News:
…the prime minister’s non-attendance at the funeral, saying it was a “moral failure” and showed vindictiveness.

Yet John McCririck seemed to go silent, and was soon after seen on the Big Brother reality show, which we can speculate was a thank-you for staying silent.

Robin’s death on 6th August 2005 occurred while out walking in the Scottish hills he loved. It was said to be the result of a late onset complication from his high blood pressure, that over a long period makes the heart muscles thicken. Yet we are reminded that heart attack weapons exist:


Robin Cook had become anti-establishment, so the establishment needed him gone. Do you think the discredited Tony Blair who had many thousands of people murdered in Iraq, and possibly Dr David Kelly too, would hesitate for one moment to kill Robin Cook?

Benjamin Franklin said, ‘only lies need the protection of the state, the truth can stand alone’.

http://wideshut.co.uk/robin-cook-the-convenient-heart-attack/

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Stephen Milligan

Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 30 Apr - 0:26

Here's Wikipedia's entry on Stephen Milligan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Milligan

There are of course other sites which focus more on the unusual circumstances of his death.

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Post  cherry1 on Mon 30 Apr - 2:07

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=72992.0;wap2

makes depressing reading!

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Post  kitti on Mon 30 Apr - 7:22

And now we have the chinese conspiracy......a British businessman supposedly drank himself to death but was a teetotaler ...cremated straight away, now.........we find NOW that he was murdered like family have thought all along....drink spiked by the Chinese governments WIFE.....

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 30 Apr - 7:39

We should start a topic somewhere on people who appear to have been bumped off. Any suggestions? General Debate and Chatter?

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Post  cherry1 on Mon 30 Apr - 11:10

Thats a good idea, what about News Topics - Suspicious Deaths


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