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Post  Annabel on Mon 7 May - 11:54

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 7 May - 11:59

I was just about to merge 2 threads when one of them was abducted!

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Post  Chris on Mon 7 May - 12:09

At that point in time, Rogério Alves assures, the family will not oppose a reconstitution of the night of the disappearance – “I have been to the process once already, saying that the parents would be available”, he says – but he will not request it, either. “So many years later, of what interest could a reconstitution be?” – he questions.


An interesting sentence despite the translation. Is he saying or implying he has approached the AG but didn't pursue it because they wanted a reconstruction.

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Post  mumbles on Mon 7 May - 12:15

AnnaEsse wrote:I was just about to merge 2 threads when one of them was abducted!

Oops... that was me. I deleted it as soon as I saw Annabels thread.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 7 May - 12:20

mumbles wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:I was just about to merge 2 threads when one of them was abducted!

Oops... that was me. I deleted it as soon as I saw Annabels thread.

I thought you must have done it, mumbles, and you were quick!

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Post  tanszi on Mon 7 May - 15:35

Only £125 thousand pounds left in the fund, wow what hapapened to the million News International said they paid Kate for serlialising her bewk, hence the paperback and an epilogue to bring in more money. Why do they need money, when SY are doing a review which the UK taxpayers are paying for.
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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 7 May - 15:41

tanszi wrote:Only £125 thousand pounds left in the fund, wow what hapapened to the million News International said they paid Kate for serlialising her bewk, hence the paperback and an epilogue to bring in more money. Why do they need money, when SY are doing a review which the UK taxpayers are paying for.
jimo.

No wonder Gerry's getting fat!

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Post  Panda on Mon 7 May - 16:14



Mitchell ascertains that “the donations from private people are less and less” and that nowadays the fund lives from the money that the couple and their friends received as compensation from libel suits that were filed against newspapers. That value is increased by the author’s rights from the book that was written by Kate McCann, which Maddie’s parents’ spokesman asserts “has sold quite well”.

In order to keep money flowing into the fund’s coffers, Kate will launch a new version of the book on Thursday – this time, as a paperback – with “one more chapter, in order to update the information”.

What did you do with e £200,000 from the Sun Kate, and the moey from The Times.?????? The "advance from Transworld? surey after 5 years Kate could go back to work Full time , the twins are in school and Kate could employ a Nanny to pick them up from School and care for them a couple of
hours a day and during School holidays. It's obvious that after 5 years she has no intention of going back to work.

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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Mon 7 May - 16:33

tanszi wrote:Only £125 thousand pounds left in the fund, wow what hapapened to the million News International said they paid Kate for serlialising her bewk, hence the paperback and an epilogue to bring in more money. Why do they need money, when SY are doing a review which the UK taxpayers are paying for.
jimo.


Keeping the wolves from the door/protection takes alot of your money, once the fund runs out, they really will be trouble on the horizon for the McCanns from all corners imo

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Post  kathybelle on Mon 7 May - 16:36

Panda wrote:

Mitchell ascertains that “the donations from private people are less and less” and that nowadays the fund lives from the money that the couple and their friends received as compensation from libel suits that were filed against newspapers. That value is increased by the author’s rights from the book that was written by Kate McCann, which Maddie’s parents’ spokesman asserts “has sold quite well”.

In order to keep money flowing into the fund’s coffers, Kate will launch a new version of the book on Thursday – this time, as a paperback – with “one more chapter, in order to update the information”.

What did you do with e £200,000 from the Sun Kate, and the moey from The Times.?????? The "advance from Transworld? surey after 5 years Kate could go back to work Full time , the twins are in school and Kate could employ a Nanny to pick them up from School and care for them a couple of
hours a day and during School holidays. It's obvious that after 5 years she has no intention of going back to work.

Maybe Kate can't go back to work Panda. You may or may not remember the visit the McCanns had from Social Services and a police officer, the day after the arrived home from PDL.

When S.S and the police officer had left, Gerry spoke to the media, first of all he said that he and his wife had invited these people to their home. Then said that he and his wife had been told that their baby sitting arrangements, were well within the boundaries of normal parenting. Gerry then told the media that his wife would not be returning to work, because her job now, was to look after the twins.

However in various media interviews the McCanns have given since that day, if the subject of her returning to work has cropped up, she has always said she won't be returning to work as a doctor. She has always said her job is to sift through the files, to see if the PJ had missed anything that could have resulted in Madeleine being found.

I don't know if the reasons I have given are the real reasons why Kate is not returning to work. Kate was only a locum and maybe no one wants to employ her anymore. Do you know if Kate is still registered as a doctor?

By the way Panda, in the video "Clarence Mitchell, Spinning for the McCanns and Jane Tanner. Clarence was speaking to the media, shortly after the McCanns successfully got Goncalo Amaral's book banned. Clarence Mitchell who was gloating, said how right it was that the book was banned.

He also spoke about other stuff, I can't quite remember what. He was then asked questions about the fund, he said that the only money remaining in the fund was money the McCanns had received from compensation and donations from their wealthy backers. He said he was sure the donors to the fund, wouldn't mind the McCanns and their wider family, using the fund to assist their finances.

I remember reading an article online, where Brian Kennedy, one of their wealthy backers, said he would no longer be paying the salary of Clarence Mitchell. The article then went on to say that Mitchell's would now be paid out of Madeleine's fund. I read another article much much later, where the McCanns had asked Brian Kennedy for money because the fund was in dire straits. According to the article, Brian Kennedy refused to give them money. The article went on to say that the McCanns decided to have the book that Kate was writing for their 3 childrens eyes only, published.

The articles I read online were media articles, so they may or may not be true.

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Post  MaryB on Mon 7 May - 16:59

I just had this thought. If 37 people are going to take 4 years to get through the files how long would one person take. 148 years. Did I get the sums right. But Kate's had four years start, so that's 144 years. Why on earth do they need more money if a whole team of experts are on the job.

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Post  tigger on Mon 7 May - 17:02

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html

This should get you the analysis of the Fund by a chartered accountant, Enid O'Dowd.

She has searched for the advance of Transworld, but found nothing. It is an absolute brilliant analysis and if some pros read this, I'm sure they'd convert. Money talks.

My feeling is that the epilogue is there just to encourage more sales. The book didn't do as well as expected I think. Transworld may not even have made their advance yet.

Yes, Panda. Why do they still need money?
I'm guessing that somehow or other most of the mortgage is now paid, Gerry must get sufficient money to keep a wife and two children, they don't need a Public Relations Officer at all! Obviously, Clarrie doesn't share my opinion.
Well, if he feels so strongly about it, perhaps he can do it for free? He's got another job in any case.
My guess is too, that Kate doesn't consider an advance to be royalties. So that's why it isn't in the Fund?
My other guess is that she is waiting for a high profile job for a children's charity. (I remember that in Gerry's blog there was a remark they were waiting for some offers which didn't come off - pre September 07 of course).

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Post  Guest on Mon 7 May - 17:14

I've just read through Enid O'Dowd's analysis - I commend it to everyone as required reading.

It sets out doubts expressed here and elsewhere, plus loads more revelatory info, in a clear and persuasive manner.

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Post  mossman on Mon 7 May - 17:24

I think the epilogue is a poor substitute for a much hoped for movie.

After all best selling books comes the block buster movie. Right up their street.

Did not work out that way though. Yet.

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Post  Panda on Mon 7 May - 17:25

The End Is Nigh wrote:I've just read through Enid O'Dowd's analysis - I commend it to everyone as required reading.

It sets out doubts expressed here and elsewhere, plus loads more revelatory info, in a clear and persuasive manner.

I read it a while ago TIEN, Excellent. Ms O'Dowd is a FAC which is very high up in Accountancy grades and has access to the right people.

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Post  MaryB on Mon 7 May - 17:27

Do people think there will be a movie. I for one couldn't rule it out. Maybe to mark the 10th anniversary.

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Post  Panda on Mon 7 May - 17:40

kathybelle wrote:
Panda wrote:

Mitchell ascertains that “the donations from private people are less and less” and that nowadays the fund lives from the money that the couple and their friends received as compensation from libel suits that were filed against newspapers. That value is increased by the author’s rights from the book that was written by Kate McCann, which Maddie’s parents’ spokesman asserts “has sold quite well”.

In order to keep money flowing into the fund’s coffers, Kate will launch a new version of the book on Thursday – this time, as a paperback – with “one more chapter, in order to update the information”.

What did you do with e £200,000 from the Sun Kate, and the moey from The Times.?????? The "advance from Transworld? surey after 5 years Kate could go back to work Full time , the twins are in school and Kate could employ a Nanny to pick them up from School and care for them a couple of
hours a day and during School holidays. It's obvious that after 5 years she has no intention of going back to work.

Maybe Kate can't go back to work Panda. You may or may not remember the visit the McCanns had from Social Services and a police officer, the day after the arrived home from PDL.

Hi kathybelle, kate was working one and a half days a week in a Doctor's Practice but apparently had time off before the Holiday which makes a nonsense of the 6 Cadaver inquestes she supposedly attended before the Holiday. I will say this, with twins and their Sister, all under 4 to care for ,
it must have been a strain, especially since Madeleine was a handful and didn't sleep well.Kate writes in her Diary that Gerry wasn't much help, studying for the Research Grant and playing Golf. They had a row in PDL and Kate moved into the Twins room one night.I think Kate, as an only child was used to having her own way and I really don't know why they went for a second IVF treatment . There is 20 months between Madeleine nad the Twins so
Madeleine would have only been 11 months old when Kate became pregnant. Add to this the upheaval of the move from Queniborough to Rothley and
I read somewhere she was still on Maternity leave.

When S.S and the police officer had left, Gerry spoke to the media, first of all he said that he and his wife had invited these people to their home. Then said that he and his wife had been told that their baby sitting arrangements, were well within the boundaries of normal parenting. Gerry then told the media that his wife would not be returning to work, because her job now, was to look after the twins.

However in various media interviews the McCanns have given since that day, if the subject of her returning to work has cropped up, she has always said she won't be returning to work as a doctor. She has always said her job is to sift through the files, to see if the PJ had missed anything that could have resulted in Madeleine being found.

I don't know if the reasons I have given are the real reasons why Kate is not returning to work. Kate was only a locum and maybe no one wants to employ her anymore. Do you know if Kate is still registered as a doctor?

By the way Panda, in the video "Clarence Mitchell, Spinning for the McCanns and Jane Tanner. Clarence was speaking to the media, shortly after the McCanns successfully got Goncalo Amaral's book banned. Clarence Mitchell who was gloating, said how right it was that the book was banned.

He also spoke about other stuff, I can't quite remember what. He was then asked questions about the fund, he said that the only money remaining in the fund was money the McCanns had received from compensation and donations from their wealthy backers. He said he was sure the donors to the fund, wouldn't mind the McCanns and their wider family, using the fund to assist their finances.

I remember reading an article online, where Brian Kennedy, one of their wealthy backers, said he would no longer be paying the salary of Clarence Mitchell. The article then went on to say that Mitchell's would now be paid out of Madeleine's fund. I read another article much much later, where the McCanns had asked Brian Kennedy for money because the fund was in dire straits. According to the article, Brian Kennedy refused to give them money. The article went on to say that the McCanns decided to have the book that Kate was writing for their 3 childrens eyes only, published.

The articles I read online were media articles, so they may or may not be true.

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Post  Panda on Mon 7 May - 17:43



Sorry kathybelle, I messed up the thread.

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Post  Panda on Mon 7 May - 17:54

MaryB wrote:Do people think there will be a movie. I for one couldn't rule it out. Maybe to mark the 10th anniversary.

Hi MaryB, if you remember, Clarence said at one time there was talk of a Book, but without any proof about what happened to Madeleine, the Government Interference, etc they would be hard pushed to keep the Auduence attention for one and a half or two hours. , Kate's role in the CH4
Documentary ended up on the cutting room floor,

I remember Ben Affleck had made a film about an abduction bbut was concerned about Madeleine so much he delayed the releasee. I saw the film ,
it was about an abduction but the child came from a poor Family and was abducted by Morgan Freeman for his wife if I remember correctly and the
child was being brought up in a much nicer home.

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Post  tigger on Mon 7 May - 18:12

Panda wrote:
MaryB wrote:Do people think there will be a movie. I for one couldn't rule it out. Maybe to mark the 10th anniversary.

Hi MaryB, if you remember, Clarence said at one time there was talk of a Book, but without any proof about what happened to Madeleine, the Government Interference, etc they would be hard pushed to keep the Auduence attention for one and a half or two hours. , Kate's role in the CH4
Documentary ended up on the cutting room floor,

I remember Ben Affleck had made a film about an abduction bbut was concerned about Madeleine so much he delayed the releasee. I saw the film ,
it was about an abduction but the child came from a poor Family and was abducted by Morgan Freeman for his wife if I remember correctly and the
child was being brought up in a much nicer home.

Which, if Maddie is alive, would be the best possible outcome. Imo of course.

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Post  kathybelle on Mon 7 May - 18:20

Panda wrote:

Sorry kathybelle, I messed up the thread.

Hi Panda, you've not messed up the thread, you've just replied to a paragraph in my post. I remember Kate's mother saying that Kate was finding it hard to cope with the twins and Madeleine. Mrs Healy said Madeleine was a difficult child and she made regular trips to Rothley, to help her daughter cope with her children.

I felt like slapping Mrs Healy when she said Madeleine was a difficult child. Madeleine was only a baby when her mother became pregnant with the twins and she was not much more than a baby, when they were born. Madeleine would have been behaving as any normal toddler would have done, when they had to share their mother with one sibling, let alone two siblings.

Before the McCanns went to PDL the twins and Madeleine were already in the nursery and when they returned home, the twins returned to the nursery, even though their mother was no longer working. Maybe Kate suffered from post natal depression and that is why her children were put in the creche during the day, while Kate and her husband enjoyed their leisure activities with their mates.

I know some posters don't believe the children were left unsupervised, when the McCanns went out, but if they were, Kate can't use her post natal depression as an excuse for leaving their children alone, because her husband didn't have to go along with that decision.

I am of the opinion that the McCanns along with their mates, did leave their children unsupervised when they went out. If they didn't who looked after the children? The group including the mother of one of their Tapas mates, were all in the Tapas Bar, every night apart from the first night, when they all went to the Millenium restaurant.

Anyway going back to Kate working. Did I dream it, or did I read an article on here, where Gerry is now reportedly only working, 3 days a week?


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Post  margaret on Mon 7 May - 18:23

kathybelle wrote:

When S.S and the police officer had left, Gerry spoke to the media, first of all he said that he and his wife had invited these people to their home. Then said that he and his wife had been told that their baby sitting arrangements, were well within the boundaries of normal parenting. Gerry then told the media that his wife would not be returning to work, because her job now, was to look after the twins.


I have to correct you there kb, the exact wording was 'reasonable' (parenting), now if you were going to describe someone as a parent you'd want to be excellent, great, wonderful, etc but not reasonable.... That sounds to me like you're only just scraping through as a parent!

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Post  Panda on Mon 7 May - 18:32

tigger wrote:
Panda wrote:
MaryB wrote:Do people think there will be a movie. I for one couldn't rule it out. Maybe to mark the 10th anniversary.

Hi MaryB, if you remember, Clarence said at one time there was talk of a Book, but without any proof about what happened to Madeleine, the Government Interference, etc they would be hard pushed to keep the Auduence attention for one and a half or two hours. , Kate's role in the CH4
Documentary ended up on the cutting room floor,

I remember Ben Affleck had made a film about an abduction bbut was concerned about Madeleine so much he delayed the releasee. I saw the film ,
it was about an abduction but the child came from a poor Family and was abducted by Morgan Freeman for his wife if I remember correctly and the
child was being brought up in a much nicer home.

Which, if Maddie is alive, would be the best possible outcome. Imo of course.

Yes, it would be acceptable if Madeleine had been kidnapped for a Rich Woman who was childless. However, that is as farfetched as the Victoria Beckham
lookalike and the drunken stag party guy who, two years after the event suddenly remembered the Woman in Barcelona. With sightings all over the
World and Maddeleine.s photo splashed on the Front page of the World's Press.......after 5 years I think Madeleine met her demise in 5a,disposal of the
body is the sticking point for me. The McCanns believe themselves Madeleine was abducted and nothing but finding Madeleines body will suffice.
World amd an unprecedented Press and T.V. coverage of Madeleine's disappearance, not to mention a £2 million reward, not one solitary clue.

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Post  kathybelle on Mon 7 May - 18:38

margaret wrote:
kathybelle wrote:

When S.S and the police officer had left, Gerry spoke to the media, first of all he said that he and his wife had invited these people to their home. Then said that he and his wife had been told that their baby sitting arrangements, were well within the boundaries of normal parenting. Gerry then told the media that his wife would not be returning to work, because her job now, was to look after the twins.


I have to correct you there kb, the exact wording was 'reasonable' (parenting), now if you were going to describe someone as a parent you'd want to be excellent, great, wonderful, etc but not reasonable.... That sounds to me like you're only just scraping through as a parent!

Hi Margaret

Thanks for correcting me. Before I made the post, I had a look for the speech that Gerry made, after the visit from Social Services and the police officer, but I couldn't find it. So I had to rely on my memory to write what I did.

For what it's worth I don't believe Social Services said any such thing, about the McCanns babysitting arrangements or their style of parenting. If the McCanns were speaking the truth, when they said they left their children unsupervised, while they went out, they left their children in a very dangerous environment. Especially as the apartment was unlocked and they admitted they only checked their children every 30 minutes. In fact on the night Madeleine was supposedly abducted, the McCanns made one check each and they were 55 minutes apart.

The other people who were supposedly checking the McCanns children, never saw Madeleine and I'm not sure if they all saw the twins.

I also believe that Kate is no longer working as a doctor, because of the visit by Social Services. I have always wondered why a police officer went to the McCanns home with S.S. Could he have charged the McCanns with offences against their children, if they had committed those offences in Portugal?

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Post  mumbles on Mon 7 May - 18:48

Quote Kathybelle
I am of the opinion that the McCanns along with their mates, did leave their children unsupervised when they went out. If they didn't who looked after the children? The group including the mother of one of their Tapas mates, were all in the Tapas Bar, every night apart from the first night, when they all went to the Millenium restaurant.

That's incorrect.
Apart from one night (can't remember which one) there was one member of the group that stayed in each night, either because they were sick themselves, or one of the children were.

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