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Post  Justiceforallkids on Fri 11 May - 15:50

dont worry im not going anywhere but i think deep down we know it and after all this enquiry crap today its confirmed it now

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Post  gillyspot on Fri 11 May - 16:02

One good thing to come out of this is that our suspected connection between McCanns and Murdoch (or more clearly Rebekah Brooks) is now shown to be true and the wider public will be aware of this too.

I can see more and more of the general population becoming critical of the McCanns after hearing about this but I agree it shows that this "review" is "for" the McCanns as Kate says in her updated paperback novel.

"The Scotland Yard Review team “were in touch with us within a few days…”

“The following week we met several of them at Scotland Yard. Almost immediately, Gerry and I felt confident, reassured and hopeful”.

“Perhaps the most encouraging aspect for Gerrv and me so far is how good the communication has been. We are regularly updated…it’s a marked and welcome change from what went before”.

These short extracts from Dr Kate McCann's book 'madeleine', a paperback version of the hardback book published a year ago, are published here under the 'Fair Use' provisions of the Copyright Act:

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Fri 11 May - 16:04

gillyspot wrote:One good thing to come out of this is that our suspected connection between McCanns and Murdoch (or more clearly Rebekah Brooks) is now shown to be true and the wider public will be aware of this too.

I can see more and more of the general population becoming critical of the McCanns after hearing about this but I agree it shows that this "review" is "for" the McCanns as Kate says in her updated paperback novel.

"The Scotland Yard Review team “were in touch with us within a few days…”

“The following week we met several of them at Scotland Yard. Almost immediately, Gerry and I felt confident, reassured and hopeful”.

“Perhaps the most encouraging aspect for Gerrv and me so far is how good the communication has been. We are regularly updated…it’s a marked and welcome change from what went before”.

These short extracts from Dr Kate McCann's book 'madeleine', a paperback version of the hardback book published a year ago, are published here under the 'Fair Use' provisions of the Copyright Act:

yes as we all knew it was never about maddie it was about the mcanns trying to save face and imo they got their way i dont mean to be a downer but realitically imo maddie wont get justice

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Post  Guest on Fri 11 May - 16:10

Justiceforallkids wrote:dont worry im not going anywhere but i think deep down we know it and after all this enquiry crap today its confirmed it now

Disagree entirely!

Deep down I am positive that the truth will come to light and the perpetrators dealt with.

Remember that all the sh*t is hiding the simple fact that there actually are quite a lot of decent, honourable, professional people in the various Police Forces, the Judiciary, in Politics, in Media and generally all around the shop.

Good will triumph over evil.

Mark my words.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Fri 11 May - 16:13

The End Is Nigh wrote:
Justiceforallkids wrote:dont worry im not going anywhere but i think deep down we know it and after all this enquiry crap today its confirmed it now

Disagree entirely!

Deep down I am positive that the truth will come to light and the perpetrators dealt with.

Remember that all the sh*t is hiding the simple fact that there actually are quite a lot of decent, honourable, professional people in the various Police Forces, the Judiciary, in Politics, in Media and generally all around the shop.

Good will triumph over evil.

Mark my words.

yeah i just hate the fact that the murdochs have so much power

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TEIN...On a good day I think like you...

Post  comperedna on Fri 11 May - 16:55

The house next to me was once a police house and we had a succession of clever and serious-minded cops and their families living there whilst doing degrees and further training of various sorts at Oxford University. By no means a cross section of the service, I know, but they were a decent bunch, certainly no fools and dedicated, for the most part to doing a solid job.

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Post  MaryB on Fri 11 May - 17:14

She might get justice. If the Sun orders it.

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Post  T4two on Sat 12 May - 12:30

At any given time in history, there has always been a section of society which has risen briefly to the top and exercised control. In recent times the Blair/Brown years were instrumental in the rise of a culture of deceit and misuse of PR for political and personal financial gain; a culture in which obnoxious figures like Clarence Mitchell for example thrive, because they have no moral scruples and are good at lying. This culture now manifests itself in all sections of society at national and local levels and for this reason, will be extremely difficult to eradicate. From the ongoing revelations at the Leveson inquiry, it is obvious that this culture was carried over from the last administration to the current one almost seamlessly. There are however also signs that the establishment is becoming increasingly aware of the public's unease and that a process of self-cleansing is starting to manifest itself. Rebekah Brooks is already yesterday's news. The only power she has left comes from what she knows about what happened in the past and this knowledge will become progressively irrelevant as time goes by and the other protagonists fall, one after the other. Brown and Blair have long since fallen from grace and Cameron is a dead man walking. The link between Murdoch - Brooks - Cameron is history. Once Cameron has been fully exposed, the chappy in charge of the Yard - a balloon or lantern launching staunch McCann supporter I believe - will be one of the next to get his come-uppance; you don't get away with spending millions on a fake investigation and allowing the detective heading it to appear on national TV as part of a PR exercise forever and Mrs May and others are still waiting in the background ready to move when the time is right. This process of self-cleansing is tedious and fraught with setbacks. We may get the impression that Leveson for example, is a gullible fool, but I'm sure that he is in fact a very astute person and an honourable one to boot and that eventually he will draw the right conclusions from everything he has seen and heard. The Leveson inquiry is only part of the process of self-cleansing. It is a process which will take a great deal of time. Once it becomes fashionable again to champion honour and decency, then we will also start to see a marked change in the general attitude of the media and public institutions towards the McCanns; we may even hope that a serious effort is then made to investigate and solve the case and bring the perpetrators and their accomplices to book. It will be a long road and there will be many apparent reversals as people fight to retain their positions, but IMO the process has already started.

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That's one powerful piece of writing t42...

Post  comperedna on Sat 12 May - 13:14

Not sure that I go along with it 100% of the way... especially not about Cameron taking over 'seamlessly' in the same vein... Knowing this geezer just a bit personally, and despite that he has worked in PR, I should put the blame firmly in the powerful Murdoch camp still... rather than being down to Cameron's wishes directly.

I have watched the bulk of the Leverson inquiry. This was easy, I had the time as I am necessarily permanently 'home based'. At first I thought Leverson was just another massager of GM's and KM's inflated egos... all that business from square one with him treating them with kid gloves, and using the word 'abduction' when others were careful to say 'disappearance' etc... But then... I guessed he was thinking that... whatever... they have lost their eldest child... and that being kindly costs nothing, and inspires trust. Now, after watching him deal with all kinds and conditions of manipulative men and women, I think he is likely both very shrewd and very straight, which is refreshing.

I'm not much of a 'conspiracy' person, but the business of what appeared to be, listening to Leverson, not far short of blackmail of the current government by Ms Brooks really shocked me. ... Support the review, and the 'search' for Madeleine, or Theresa May will be on the front page of the Sun in an unflattering light every day until you do... All this prompted by Mr Gerry who offered her the serialization rights of Kate's book in return for her newspaper's support. Madeline news, or non-news, sells newspapers... and how!

Joana Morais has an excellent short account/summary online today. Some of it is from the Evening Standard, I believe. It does, towards the end of it, suggest that someone else fairly powerful, and linked to the Murdochs, could be connected to the case in some way...

Poor DCI Redwood!... He will either appear a complete prat if he carries on in the same vein as he is doing now, or else will not fulfil the wishes of whoever is behind the push to open the review... I don't think it is Cameron... except his mob are being effectively blackmailed.

Another point... I don't know if I read it in the translation of the last TV interview with Amaral or not... but a useful exercise is to take out all the proper names from the case... no Madeleine, no McCann, no P de L, no bigwigs, no money-raising, no Portuguese police, no newspaper campaigns (pretend it is maybe Spain, and a different police force)... nothing to directly link the case to this particular child. Completely suspend disbelief, and just put the few known facts of the case, of what happened, what was found etc etc... and see what you have... without any of the hokum, the celebrity, the PR, the publicity, and the whole lot of the 'stuff' surrounding the case... and see what you see... VERY illuminating.

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Post  T4two on Sat 12 May - 13:55

Always interesting to have an exchange of views. We all see things that others do not see or interpret them in a different way. My point was not concerning Cameron per se but the state of affairs in general and one can then immediately see that things have started to change, because Cameron's predecessors in Nr.10 got away with it for years whereas Cameron is now being exposed step by step. Whether Cameron is as bad as Blair, Brown et al or just a willing fool doesn't alter what is happening - he's a PR person and up to his neck in the News International affair including the McCann SY review farce. I don't feel any sympathy for Redwood - he's about as much use as a detective as Dave Edgar and comes over on TV as even stupider.

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Yes DCI Redwood does come over on TV as stupid...

Post  comperedna on Sat 12 May - 14:17

but he surely CAN'T be... Not having risen to that level. Either he is playing some elaborate game and buttering up those who need to be put off their guard, or he is a complete cypher and a place man and a fool... or something else I can't think of right now. Dreams and spooky dookies from mediums for information! I just do not believe a serious cop believes in all that. It is NONSENSE ON STILTS and he must know it... Maybe he is being forced, embarrassingly to go through the motions by a decision to do a non review and non investigation by someone far above his pay grade... I doubt it is Cameron. What a shambles... What do you think?...

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Post  kitti on Sat 12 May - 14:23

Since the Metropolitan Police began their review of Madeleine’s case in May 2011, thankfully the demands on ourselves and our investigators have reduced. However we still have (and need!) a small team of very committed and experienced people working hard to help us find Madeleine and others available to step in and assist should the need arise.

The 24-hour ‘hotline’ for people to call with information is still functioning on 0845 838 4699 for people who would prefer to contact us directly.

Along with a campaign coordinator and translators/interpreters, the team has several individuals with invaluable marketing, advertising and I.T. skills who help with the general campaign to find Madeleine.

Of course probably the biggest and most valuable resource we have in our search for Madeleine is the eyes, ears and minds of the general public. Thank you to everyone who has, and continues to help us with our efforts to find her. Please keep going!




In other words .....don't stop sending US your money..

 

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Post  T4two on Sat 12 May - 14:27

comperedna wrote:but he surely CAN'T be... Not having risen to that level. Either he is playing some elaborate game and buttering up those who need to be put off their guard, or he is a complete cypher and a place man and a fool... or something else I can't think of right now. Dreams and spooky dookies from mediums for information! I just do not believe a serious cop believes in all that. It is NONSENSE ON STILTS and he must know it... Maybe he is being forced, embarrassingly to go through the motions by a decision to do a non review and non investigation by someone far above his pay grade... I doubt it is Cameron. What a shambles... What do you think?...

I don't think he was acting and neither do I think he has the wit to play an elaborate game. Yes, he has orders from the top and the top is the guy in charge of SY who has a history of supporting the McCanns, but of course without even tacit support from the very top it wouldn't be possible.

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Post  Guest on Sat 12 May - 18:25

comperedna wrote:but he surely CAN'T be... Not having risen to that level. Either he is playing some elaborate game and buttering up those who need to be put off their guard, or he is a complete cypher and a place man and a fool... or something else I can't think of right now. Dreams and spooky dookies from mediums for information! I just do not believe a serious cop believes in all that. It is NONSENSE ON STILTS and he must know it... Maybe he is being forced, embarrassingly to go through the motions by a decision to do a non review and non investigation by someone far above his pay grade... I doubt it is Cameron. What a shambles... What do you think?...


DCI Redwood is a very astute fellow. I have never shared the general view of either him personally or of the review in general. As promised at the beginning, we have not been told anything at all, really. And I feel sure that Healy & McCann have been told only what is harmless.

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Post  ShabbyTiger on Sat 12 May - 19:16

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DCI Redwood is a very astute fellow. I have never shared the general view of either him personally or of the review in general. As promised at the beginning, we have not been told anything at all, really. And I feel sure that Healy & McCann have been told only what is harmless.

Redwood could - and should - have given a simple no comment. He has said that Madeleine was taken by a stranger in a criminal act.

Whitewash.

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Post  Guest on Sat 12 May - 19:31

I stand firm .............. However he became obliged to take part in Panorama et seq, once done, "No Comment" per se would have been pointless. He just said the same thing in far more words. And whatever anyone reads into those words is likely to be wrong - otherwise we wouldn't already have myriad interpretations just on this one Forum.

What wasn't said is of far more significance and will not be shared with us, the common herd.

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Post  ShabbyTiger on Sat 12 May - 19:36

There will never be any justice in this case... Gerry McCann has got one over on Johnny Foreigner. And those English football fans who were fitted up by the PT police will probably be saying - WOOHOO!

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Post  ShabbyTiger on Sat 12 May - 19:50

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111879/Briton-faces-sent-prison-Portugal.html

Another Briton treated like shit by the PT authorities.



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Post  almostgothic on Sat 12 May - 19:52

Agreed, TIEN - he was no doubt pressed to appear, and if the answer was 'no', the BBC could have easily made that situation look bad with one of their frosty 'we asked DCI Redwood for an interview but he declined' announcements.

Having felt obliged, he can't just stand there going 'no comment' all the time (just like a KM/PJ interrogation) because then he'll just sound shifty.

He took the only path open to him - not ideal, maybe pointlessly platitudinous in places, but he had to make the best of a bad gig.
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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Sat 12 May - 19:53

ShabbyTiger wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:


DCI Redwood is a very astute fellow. I have never shared the general view of either him personally or of the review in general. As promised at the beginning, we have not been told anything at all, really. And I feel sure that Healy & McCann have been told only what is harmless.

Redwood could - and should - have given a simple no comment. He has said that Madeleine was taken by a stranger in a criminal act.

Whitewash.

Redwood can hardly start shouting off the roof tops Maddy is dead!, we all know that they (PJ & SY) can't come out with anything until they have 100% hard EVIDENCE, Im with TEiN on this that SY are tredding wearily remember Redwood said there is a lot more to look into in this review.....and I for one believe the Mccanns will not be able to say that they have been treated unfairly by SY.....because they haven't.

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Post  ShabbyTiger on Sat 12 May - 20:09

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

Redwood can hardly start shouting off the roof tops Maddy is dead!, we all know that they (PJ & SY) can't come out with anything until they have 100% hard EVIDENCE, Im with TEiN on this that SY are tredding wearily remember Redwood said there is a lot more to look into in this review.....and I for one believe the Mccanns will not be able to say that they have been treated unfairly by SY.....because they haven't.

Redwood didn't "need" to say anything at all. A simple "no comment" is all that was needed.


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Post  Guest on Sat 12 May - 20:21

ShabbyTiger wrote:
Lillyofthevalley wrote:

Redwood can hardly start shouting off the roof tops Maddy is dead!, we all know that they (PJ & SY) can't come out with anything until they have 100% hard EVIDENCE, Im with TEiN on this that SY are tredding wearily remember Redwood said there is a lot more to look into in this review.....and I for one believe the Mccanns will not be able to say that they have been treated unfairly by SY.....because they haven't.

Redwood didn't "need" to say anything at all. A simple "no comment" is all that was needed.



However he became obliged to take part in Panorama et seq, once done, "No Comment" per se would have been pointless. He just said the same thing in far more words. And whatever anyone reads into those words is likely to be wrong - otherwise we wouldn't already have myriad interpretations just on this one Forum.

What wasn't said is of far more significance and will not be shared with us, the common herd.


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Post  mossman on Sat 12 May - 20:27

ShabbyTiger wrote:
Lillyofthevalley wrote:

Redwood can hardly start shouting off the roof tops Maddy is dead!, we all know that they (PJ & SY) can't come out with anything until they have 100% hard EVIDENCE, Im with TEiN on this that SY are tredding wearily remember Redwood said there is a lot more to look into in this review.....and I for one believe the Mccanns will not be able to say that they have been treated unfairly by SY.....because they haven't.

Redwood didn't "need" to say anything at all. A simple "no comment" is all that was needed.



Remember Gerry's no comment when asked if he knew Murat ? What was your reaction on hearing "no comment"? I certainly took it as an admission that he did in fact know him. So in the circumstances, I think Redwood did a good job. She is either alive or dead. He could not say anything else without further questions being asked. As it is he was more or less asked to explain the alive theory but not the dead one.

I would like to know why he was put in that position in the first place though. Why make him comment, one way or the other, at this point in time.

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