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Post  kathybelle on Sun 17 Jun - 15:22

In my opinion, the police were more thorough when they were investigating Robert Murat, than they were when they were investigating the McCanns. They searched Robert Murat's mother's house where he was living more than once, they also turned over her garden more than once.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone within the McCanns camp had tried to set up Robert Murat, to take the heat off the McCanns.

I know I've said this before, but when Robert Murat was made an arguido, he complied with the terms of the status. This included attending the police station, where he was made an arguido, at a time and date specified by the person who made him an arguido. When the McCanns were made arguidos, they were given back their passports and allowed to leave Portugal. They were even given a police escort to the Algarve airport.

I'm not criticising the PJ, I believe a higher authority than the PJ, gave the McCanns permission to leave Portugal, at the request of at least one member of the British Government.

If the McCanns lose their libel case against Goncalo Amaral, I wonder what will happen to them. Will they slink off with their tails between their legs, possibly to another country? Or will Dr Amaral, carry out his threat to countersue them? Can Dr Amaral countersue the McCanns, while they are in the process of suing him?

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Post  Panda on Sun 17 Jun - 15:38

kathybelle wrote:In my opinion, the police were more thorough when they were investigating Robert Murat, than they were when they were investigating the McCanns. They searched Robert Murat's mother's house where he was living more than once, they also turned over her garden more than once.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone within the McCanns camp had tried to set up Robert Murat, to take the heat off the McCanns.

I know I've said this before, but when Robert Murat was made an arguido, he complied with the terms of the status. This included attending the police station, where he was made an arguido, at a time and date specified by the person who made him an arguido. When the McCanns were made arguidos, they were given back their passports and allowed to leave Portugal. They were even given a police escort to the Algarve airport.

I'm not criticising the PJ, I believe a higher authority than the PJ, gave the McCanns permission to leave Portugal, at the request of at least one member of the British Government.

If the McCanns lose their libel case against Goncalo Amaral, I wonder what will happen to them. Will they slink off with their tails between their legs, possibly to another country? Or will Dr Amaral, carry out his threat to countersue them? Can Dr Amaral countersue the McCanns, while they are in the process of suing him?

Hi Kathybelle, it was Jane Tanner who fingered Murat, she apparently was driven in a Police Van or Car and identified him. Yes, the McCanns beat a
hasty retreat as soon as they were made arguidos, but said they were already planning to leave. As for the libel case, Amaral cannot sue until the case is over. If he is found not Guilty he can then countersue for damages and Court Costs. Their case against him is very flimsy, hindered the search
for Madeleine, made them ill at the suggestion that Madeleine was dead, the twins were also made ill.........they were only 5 or 6t and how would they know what Amaral had written unless their Parents told them? It is scheduled to be heard in September , will they brazen it out or settle out of Court.?

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Post  kathybelle on Sun 17 Jun - 15:50

Panda wrote:
kathybelle wrote:In my opinion, the police were more thorough when they were investigating Robert Murat, than they were when they were investigating the McCanns. They searched Robert Murat's mother's house where he was living more than once, they also turned over her garden more than once.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone within the McCanns camp had tried to set up Robert Murat, to take the heat off the McCanns.

I know I've said this before, but when Robert Murat was made an arguido, he complied with the terms of the status. This included attending the police station, where he was made an arguido, at a time and date specified by the person who made him an arguido. When the McCanns were made arguidos, they were given back their passports and allowed to leave Portugal. They were even given a police escort to the Algarve airport.

I'm not criticising the PJ, I believe a higher authority than the PJ, gave the McCanns permission to leave Portugal, at the request of at least one member of the British Government.

If the McCanns lose their libel case against Goncalo Amaral, I wonder what will happen to them. Will they slink off with their tails between their legs, possibly to another country? Or will Dr Amaral, carry out his threat to countersue them? Can Dr Amaral countersue the McCanns, while they are in the process of suing him?

Hi Kathybelle, it was Jane Tanner who fingered Murat, she apparently was driven in a Police Van or Car and identified him. Yes, the McCanns beat a
hasty retreat as soon as they were made arguidos, but said they were already planning to leave. As for the libel case, Amaral cannot sue until the case is over. If he is found not Guilty he can then countersue for damages and Court Costs. Their case against him is very flimsy, hindered the search
for Madeleine, made them ill at the suggestion that Madeleine was dead, the twins were also made ill.........they were only 5 or 6t and how would they know what Amaral had written unless their Parents told them? It is scheduled to be heard in September , will they brazen it out or settle out of Court.?

Hi Panda

The McCanns are beyond contempt, I can't think of anything I can use to describe this gruesome couple, without using foul language. They've used Madeleine as a cash cow and they'll do the same with the twins. Money is the only thing the McCanns care about, if they cared about their children, Madeleine would be with them today.

Rant over about the McCanns, for the moment anyway.

If the McCanns settle out of court, does this mean that they've scored a victory over Goncalo Amaral and will he have to pay the court costs?

I might be wrong but I think that if the Appeals and Supreme court judges thought that there was anything in Goncalo Amaral's book libelous, they would have permanently it. What do you think Panda?

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Post  Panda on Sun 17 Jun - 17:14

kathybelle wrote:
Panda wrote:
kathybelle wrote:In my opinion, the police were more thorough when they were investigating Robert Murat, than they were when they were investigating the McCanns. They searched Robert Murat's mother's house where he was living more than once, they also turned over her garden more than once.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone within the McCanns camp had tried to set up Robert Murat, to take the heat off the McCanns.

I know I've said this before, but when Robert Murat was made an arguido, he complied with the terms of the status. This included attending the police station, where he was made an arguido, at a time and date specified by the person who made him an arguido. When the McCanns were made arguidos, they were given back their passports and allowed to leave Portugal. They were even given a police escort to the Algarve airport.

I'm not criticising the PJ, I believe a higher authority than the PJ, gave the McCanns permission to leave Portugal, at the request of at least one member of the British Government.

If the McCanns lose their libel case against Goncalo Amaral, I wonder what will happen to them. Will they slink off with their tails between their legs, possibly to another country? Or will Dr Amaral, carry out his threat to countersue them? Can Dr Amaral countersue the McCanns, while they are in the process of suing him?

Hi Kathybelle, it was Jane Tanner who fingered Murat, she apparently was driven in a Police Van or Car and identified him. Yes, the McCanns beat a
hasty retreat as soon as they were made arguidos, but said they were already planning to leave. As for the libel case, Amaral cannot sue until the case is over. If he is found not Guilty he can then countersue for damages and Court Costs. Their case against him is very flimsy, hindered the search
for Madeleine, made them ill at the suggestion that Madeleine was dead, the twins were also made ill.........they were only 5 or 6t and how would they know what Amaral had written unless their Parents told them? It is scheduled to be heard in September , will they brazen it out or settle out of Court.?

Hi Panda

The McCanns are beyond contempt, I can't think of anything I can use to describe this gruesome couple, without using foul language. They've used Madeleine as a cash cow and they'll do the same with the twins. Money is the only thing the McCanns care about, if they cared about their children, Madeleine would be with them today.

Rant over about the McCanns, for the moment anyway.

If the McCanns settle out of court, does this mean that they've scored a victory over Goncalo Amaral and will he have to pay the court costs?

I might be wrong but I think that if the Appeals and Supreme court judges thought that there was anything in Goncalo Amaral's book libelous, they would have permanently it. What do you think Panda?

Initially, the McCanns went to Court in Portugal and won the injunction to stop the sale of Amaral's book. He later appealed to the Appellate Court and the decision was overturned on the grounds that his theory that Madeleine died in 5a was one of the theories in the PJ Final Report. IMO the McCanns
did not expect it but were already committed to taking him to Court. Apparently they have asked for the trial to be held without their appearance, asking for a video link......can you believe them??? They are probably remembering the bad reception they got from the Portugese people and I sincerely
hope the Court refuses because if they can travel around Europe promoting Kate's Book ,there is no excuse for their request.

As for the outcome of the case, I think Amaral will win....how can they possibly claim his book hindered the search when "sightings" are still being
reported? Their Health has certainly not suffered and the twins would be unable to read a Book at that age, especially in Portugese!!!!

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Re: The Fridge

Post  ann_chovey on Sun 17 Jun - 17:20

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Don't ask me to find it because I wouldn't have a clue where to start. I did read that Murat hired a Car for a day because apparently his had broken down. Also I think the PJ searched his Mother's house where he was living .

he hired a car because his had broken down and his mother was using his van? to display posters for the McCs...(or it may have been the other way round...her van/his car)

Thanks ann_chovey....see, my memory is quite good , just don't know where to find stuff. Yes, I remember him saying his mother was using the Van,
would she really be helping to display Posters ? Also, when the PJ searched his Mother's house there was something about a "Secret cellar? I don't think they found anything and presume they searched because Tanner had identified him.

It's all here Panda....

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id90.html

Murat, fluent in Portuguese, has been helping local police and Madeleine's distraught parents Gerry and Kate cope with the language barrier by translating for them.

He and mum Jenny also manned a stall in the resort appealing to locals for information about Madeleine.

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Post  Panda on Sun 17 Jun - 18:02

ann_chovey wrote:
Panda wrote:
ann_chovey wrote:
Panda wrote:

Don't ask me to find it because I wouldn't have a clue where to start. I did read that Murat hired a Car for a day because apparently his had broken down. Also I think the PJ searched his Mother's house where he was living .

he hired a car because his had broken down and his mother was using his van? to display posters for the McCs...(or it may have been the other way round...her van/his car)

Thanks ann_chovey....see, my memory is quite good , just don't know where to find stuff. Yes, I remember him saying his mother was using the Van,
would she really be helping to display Posters ? Also, when the PJ searched his Mother's house there was something about a "Secret cellar? I don't think they found anything and presume they searched because Tanner had identified him.

It's all here Panda....

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id90.html

Murat, fluent in Portuguese, has been helping local police and Madeleine's distraught parents Gerry and Kate cope with the language barrier by translating for them.

He and mum Jenny also manned a stall in the resort appealing to locals for information about Madeleine.

Thanks ann_chovey, so Mrs. Murat was not giving out Posters.


"I MET Robert Murat on day three of the hunt. He told me he had access to the police investigation.

He said he was acting as a police translator and spent long days outside the McCanns' apartment talking to detectives and the media.

Murat told me he had a daughter and said he was in a custody battle with his ex-wife.

The 5ft 8in stockily built father rarely spoke about Madeleine herself and instead seemed more concerned about the progress of the police investigation.

He defended Portuguese police against claims they were acting too slowly and told me detectives knew more than they let on.

Murat claimed he had signed a secrecy declaration because of his work as a translator. I met him again this Sunday when he and his elderly mother were manning an information stall near the church where Kate McCann had just attended mass.

He told me that his mother was desperate to help the investigation and believed people who would not talk to police might talk to her."

Murat does not mention that he knew the McCanns prior to PDL and says he helped the Police with translations yet Gerry refuses to acknowledge him
at the Airport. He could have said he had never met him before the holiday but Murat had acted as a Translator....what harm would that do him?
I wonder if Murat was translating at the McCanns being questioned at the Police Station? No doubt this case will all unravel after I'm dead.

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Re: The Fridge

Post  ann_chovey on Sun 17 Jun - 18:50

Panda wrote....'so Mrs. Murat was not giving out Posters.'



I think some were stuck on the van windows. There's a pic somwhere, will have a look. She had a little stall and was sitting behind it.

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Post  Panda on Sun 17 Jun - 19:13

ann_chovey wrote:Panda wrote....'so Mrs. Murat was not giving out Posters.'



I think some were stuck on the van windows. There's a pic somwhere, will have a look. She had a little stall and was sitting behind it.

Not to worry, it's not that important , the report says she was there to help Tourists who did not want to go to the Police. If Mrs Murat was handing out Posters why couldn't Gerry acknowledge that. The Reporter asked him a direct question about whether he knew Murat before the holiday ,
strange that he didn,t want to comment. There is so much about this case which after 5 years still remains a mystery.....I give up, off to check out my Dinner .

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Post  Badboy on Sun 17 Jun - 22:25

Panda wrote:
ann_chovey wrote:Panda wrote....'so Mrs. Murat was not giving out Posters.'



I think some were stuck on the van windows. There's a pic somwhere, will have a look. She had a little stall and was sitting behind it.

Not to worry, it's not that important , the report says she was there to help Tourists who did not want to go to the Police. If Mrs Murat was handing out Posters why couldn't Gerry acknowledge that. The Reporter asked him a direct question about whether he knew Murat before the holiday ,
strange that he didn,t want to comment. There is so much about this case which after 5 years still remains a mystery.....I give up, off to check out my Dinner .
THE QUESTION IS HOW DID MURAT KNOW THE MCCANNS.

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Post  Panda on Mon 18 Jun - 15:35




http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/The-Very-Best-of-the-Old-3A-s/Expresso-12-07-08-Murat-an-arguido-just-because-1-759951.html



just received this but couldn't open it.

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Post  Guest on Mon 18 Jun - 15:49

Opens fine for moi, P ............. give it another go!

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Post  Panda on Mon 18 Jun - 15:54

The End Is Nigh wrote:Opens fine for moi, P ............. give it another go!

Hi TIEN, there is something wrong with this internet it goes on and off. I did manage to open it but it was all double dutch to me, loads of lists of posts but nothing about Murat....If you can find anything on the link about Murat, feel free to post it.

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Post  Guest on Mon 18 Jun - 16:11

Here's some: (Can't do any more as packing for my little trip shortly)


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In Expresso (paper edition) this morning:

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Investigation English dogs’ scent is the only evidence against the parents. Murat was made an arguido based on an English journalist

Murat, an arguido just because

Expresso discloses PJ’s final report

Not even the reasoning of famous detective Sherlock Holmes – after eliminating the impossible, the hypothesis that remains, no matter how unlikely, must be the truth – can be applied to the case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, on the 3rd of May 2007. In its final report, that Expresso had access to, the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) asserts that all possibilities were exhaustively investigated: abduction, murder, accidental death and even the child having left the apartment on her own. To no avail. “Did the girl go up in smoke?” Gonçalo Amaral, the former inspector who directed the investigation for five months, asked last week.

The complete disorientation of the investigation is exposed by the constitution of Robert Murat as an arguido: denounced by an English journalist, who found his curiosity towards the press strange, the judiciária considered that he reunited all the conditions to be presumed a suspect. Reasons? A set of unspecified pieces of “information”, one of them related to Jane Turner [sic], one of the group’s elements, who reportedly stated she saw a man carrying a child, walking into the direction of Robert Murat’s house.

The PJ placed Robert Murat and other “individuals with whom he directly or indirectly interacted” under surveillance, they searched his house, excavated his garden. Result: “Despite the exhaustive and methodical investigation of Murat and the persons that are close to him, no elements were collected that would connect them to the crime that is under investigation”.

The frailty of the collected indices does not only apply to Robert Murat. Also concerning Gerry and Kate McCann, the sole evidence that was collected over 13 months, which directly connects the parents to an eventual death of their daughter, is the scent of two English «springer spaniel» dogs that were in Portugal during the investigations. “One of the dogs was trained to detect cadaver odour and the other one to detect traces of human blood”.

And what did they detect? One of them detected cadaver odour “in the couple’s bedroom, in a corner, near the wardrobe, and in the living room, behind the sofa, near the side window of the apartment” that was rented by the couple at the Ocean Club, in Aldeia da Luz. The dog that specializes in detecting the odour of blood, marked a spot in the living room, precisely coinciding with the location that had been identified with cadaver odour.

The marking of cadaver odour followed into clothing and personal items: on two pieces of clothing that belong to Kate McCann, on another piece belonging to Madeleine, and on the soft toy that was habitually used by the child (here, the dog marked cadaver odour both in the inside and the outside of the apartment). The strange odours were further detected on the key and in the trunk of the car that was rented by the McCanns on the 27th of May 2007, 24 days after the evening of the disappearance. It was based on the dogs’ performance that Gerry and Kate were made arguidos. The PJ says that, in Kate’s case, her constitution as an arguida was due to “the mere possibility of her involvement with the eventual cadaver”.

At the same time that thousands of sightings that reached the PJ, concerning supposed sightings of the minor, were being digested, the investigation elaborated a listing of the communications that were made by the mobile phones that were used in the area of the Ocean Club. The hundreds of crossings of phone calls yielded no results either. It should be pointed out, though, that the Public Ministry wanted to access the contents of 14 text messages that went through Gerry McCann’s mobile phone on the 3rd and 4th of May, but the instruction judge, Pedro Frias, impeded said diligence. The biological residues that were collected from inside the car were analysed in Portugal and in England, but the results did not allow for a conclusion to be reached.

On its way to the archive

In their final report, the PJ stresses the “magnitude” of the operation that was initially built to search for the minor. Something that “right from the outset, exceeded the dimension that is commonly applied to similar cases”. But after 13 months, there is only one conclusion: “From everything that was done, and despite the efforts that were made and all lines of investigation having been explored, it results that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what truly happened on that evening, and about the present location of the missing minor”.

“This way, as we do not envision, at the moment, any diligence within the process that would be susceptible of producing a useful result for the present files”, according to the document, the judiciária places the final decision on the case in the hands of prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes. According to what Expresso was able to establish, the Republic’s General Attorney, Pinto Monteiro, asked the Public Ministry’s prosecutors that have been accompanying the case (Bilro Verão, the district prosecutor of Évora, and Magalhães e Menezes, who is directly responsible for the investigation) to produce a final decision before the end of this month.

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Excerpts from the PJ’s report

Throughout these more than 13 months, the investigation followed all the credible indicia that concerned different hypotheses and tried to analyze, to correlate and to synthesize them in an impartial form.

From the 4th onwards – the day that followed the facts – the PJ was reached by thousands of sightings and locations that covered the entire national territory, the most diversified foreign locations, from neighbouring Spain until Indonesia.

It should be stressed that the entire apartment had been searched through and rummaged by an undetermined number of persons, with the contamination that it carries and the difficulty in collecting residues.

The PJ, probably unlike in no other investigation in Portugal, did not spare any efforts in the sense of providing exceptional technical, human and financial means to discover the minor.

The persons (the parents and the couple’s friends) were inquired in a detailed and lengthy manner, on diverse occasions, with the purpose of collecting any relevant elements.

The degree of cooperation and understanding between the PJ and the Leicester Constabulary attained very high levels.

The witness Rachel Mampilly admits to having established contacts with British television station BBC at around 2 a.m. on the morning of the 4th [of May].

The forensic exams did not corroborate the canine markings, more precisely, cell material was collected that could not be identified as belonging to a determined person, and it was not even possible to establish the quality of that material.

It results that it is not possible to obtain a solid finding about what happened on that evening.

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“The life of a man was destroyed”

Robert Murat’s lawyer reveals unknown episodes, advancing that he is preparing to sue the State

After one more day participating in the searches, Robert Murat was invited by two inspectors from the Polícia Judiciária to have a drink. It was a Sunday evening, and Murat accompanied them but, “for their misfortune, Robert is an Englishman who only drinks white coffee, because on Monday morning he was taken to the PJ and if he hadn’t been sober, I don’t know what his deposition would have looked like”. The episode, one more in the last year of the Englishman’s life, was told to Expresso by Francisco Pagarete, Murat’s lawyer, who is preparing a complaint against the Portuguese state, following the more than likely archiving of the case.

“A man’s life was destroyed”. This was the Portimão lawyer’s reaction when he was confronted by Expresso with the contents of the Polícia Judiciária’s final report about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. “What was done to this man was a profound injustice. As recently as this week, we were on a terrace and a group of people nearby got up whispering his name. The damages that were suffered by my client are incalculable”, declared Francisco Pagarete, for who the archiving “is only at fault for being late”. And it cannot be said that an archiving in the middle of an investigation is unheard of. The same happened to former Environment minister Luís Nobre Guedes in the so-called Portucale process. The investigation was only halfway through and the Public Ministry decided to archive the suspicions against the former head of CDS.

“It has to be taken into account that Robert was presented to the world as a suspect, after having spent 19 hours at the Polícia Judiciária without eating or drinking. His life was laid open, as well as the life of his family in England”, Francisco Pagarete said. The lawyer said that he is only awaiting authorization to access the process files in order to start preparing the suit against the State and “against some persons who witnesses things that are not true”.

Archiving is “to be expected”

While stressing that he was not notified of any dispatch from the Public Ministry (PM), Rogério Alves, the McCann couple’s lawyer, declared that taking into account the contents of the PJ’s document, an archiving dispatch from the PM is “absolutely to be expected”. “I believe in the couple’s innocence and the investigation could not find indicia of guilt against someone who is not guilty”, Rogério Alves further commented.

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Numbers

2000 diligences in the process into Maddie’s disappearance

700 persons were inquired by the investigation

443 houses were rummaged by the inspectors on the days that followed the disappearance

300 persons participated in the mega-search operation

22 dossiers with “speculative or unlikely news, like psychic visions”

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An incredible despise

It is completely legal, and undisputable. But it is an unbelievable despise for individual rights. The PJ’s report about the Maddie case leaves no doubts – Robert Murat was made an arguido, and has been kept that way for 13 months, over… nothing. Over absolutely nothing!

An English journalist found Murat to be suspicious and the Polícia Judiciária investigated him. They turned his house, his garden upside down, rummaged through his computer, his life, his friends. They found nothing. But they didn’t say anything either, in the name of the holy ‘judicial secrecy’.

What kind of Justice is this, which allows for a man to be under public scrutiny, a suspect, earning side glances, losing opportunities and business, when against him there is not the slightest indicium, as the PJ itself reveals? Without him being related, not even minimally, with the missing child?

And what kind of Justice is this, that lets the rumor run – in the newspapers, on tv, everywhere – that the parents could be guilty of the child’s death without there being the smallest solid indicium against them?

The Maddie case is a shame for the Portuguese justice. It is necessary that all the possible lessons, in their entire extension, are taken out of this case. About the manner in which the police acted; about the ease with which arguidos were made; about the judicial secrecy. So the iniquity of a secret does never again overlay the necessary Justice.

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Post  Panda on Mon 18 Jun - 17:00



Mucho Gracia TIEN, I don't know how you found it and copied and pasted such a long Article.

This bit should be sent to the McCanns Facebook page. if I was a Member I would do it and send a copy to David Cameron


their final report, the PJ stresses the “magnitude” of the operation that was initially built to search for the minor. Something that “right from the outset, exceeded the dimension that is commonly applied to similar cases”. But after 13 months, there is only one conclusion: “From everything that was done, and despite the efforts that were made and all lines of investigation having been explored, it results that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what truly happened on that evening, and about the present location of the missing minor"

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Post  halfamo on Sun 24 Jun - 16:38

Loveday wrote:We can debate about grisly fridge uses but they're just conjecture. What is pretty much beyond doubt is that here is a man whose daughter has supposedly been abducted by a paedophile gang and yet he is sitting on the internet, under the impression that the world gives a toss about his difficulties with household appliances. That is perhaps the most telling thing. It's utterly bizzare.

They are both stark, raving, sociopathic, narcissistic, mad.

and thats about the truth of it.

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Post  comperedna on Sun 24 Jun - 17:56

somebody knows exactly what happened, more than one person most likely... As for whether the world at large will also get to know, ah hae me doots.

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Re: The Fridge

Post  jinvta on Sun 24 Jun - 19:03

Panda wrote:"I MET Robert Murat on day three of the hunt. He told me he had access to the police investigation.

He said he was acting as a police translator and spent long days outside the McCanns' apartment talking to detectives and the media.

Murat told me he had a daughter and said he was in a custody battle with his ex-wife.

The 5ft 8in stockily built father rarely spoke about Madeleine herself and instead seemed more concerned about the progress of the police investigation.

He defended Portuguese police against claims they were acting too slowly and told me detectives knew more than they let on.

Murat claimed he had signed a secrecy declaration because of his work as a translator. I met him again this Sunday when he and his elderly mother were manning an information stall near the church where Kate McCann had just attended mass.

He told me that his mother was desperate to help the investigation and believed people who would not talk to police might talk to her."

Who is quoted as saying this? Of course Murat would rarely speak about Madeleine herself, he didn't even know her. All he knew about her was with respect to the investigation, so that should be all he would be expected to talk about. For goodnesss sake, Kate rarely speaks about Madeleine in her book entitled "Madeleine" and she lived with her for nearly four years.

As for settling out of court, I don't think Amaral will go that route, unless of course, he is the one getting the settlement payment :)

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Re: The Fridge

Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 24 Jun - 20:30

halfamo wrote:
Loveday wrote:We can debate about grisly fridge uses but they're just conjecture. What is pretty much beyond doubt is that here is a man whose daughter has supposedly been abducted by a paedophile gang and yet he is sitting on the internet, under the impression that the world gives a toss about his difficulties with household appliances. That is perhaps the most telling thing. It's utterly bizzare.

They are both stark, raving, sociopathic, narcissistic, mad.

and thats about the truth of it.

I agree. I think they suddenly found themselves with what they thought was celebrity status, and that of course, the fans would want to know about the minutiae of their lives.

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Post  Lioned on Sun 24 Jun - 23:31

AnnaEsse wrote:
halfamo wrote:
Loveday wrote:We can debate about grisly fridge uses but they're just conjecture. What is pretty much beyond doubt is that here is a man whose daughter has supposedly been abducted by a paedophile gang and yet he is sitting on the internet, under the impression that the world gives a toss about his difficulties with household appliances. That is perhaps the most telling thing. It's utterly bizzare.

They are both stark, raving, sociopathic, narcissistic, mad.

and thats about the truth of it.

I agree. I think they suddenly found themselves with what they thought was celebrity status, and that of course, the fans would want to know about the minutiae of their lives.

Or their pre emptive excuses

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Re: The Fridge

Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 25 Jun - 7:39

Lioned wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
halfamo wrote:
Loveday wrote:We can debate about grisly fridge uses but they're just conjecture. What is pretty much beyond doubt is that here is a man whose daughter has supposedly been abducted by a paedophile gang and yet he is sitting on the internet, under the impression that the world gives a toss about his difficulties with household appliances. That is perhaps the most telling thing. It's utterly bizzare.

They are both stark, raving, sociopathic, narcissistic, mad.

and thats about the truth of it.

I agree. I think they suddenly found themselves with what they thought was celebrity status, and that of course, the fans would want to know about the minutiae of their lives.

Or their pre emptive excuses

Absolutely. Get the explanations in early and have them recorded so that they can refer to them and remember what was supposed to have happened.

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Re: The Fridge

Post  tigger on Mon 25 Jun - 7:50

AnnaEsse wrote:
Lioned wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
halfamo wrote:
Loveday wrote:We can debate about grisly fridge uses but they're just conjecture. What is pretty much beyond doubt is that here is a man whose daughter has supposedly been abducted by a paedophile gang and yet he is sitting on the internet, under the impression that the world gives a toss about his difficulties with household appliances. That is perhaps the most telling thing. It's utterly bizzare.

They are both stark, raving, sociopathic, narcissistic, mad.

and thats about the truth of it.

I agree. I think they suddenly found themselves with what they thought was celebrity status, and that of course, the fans would want to know about the minutiae of their lives.

Or their pre emptive excuses

Absolutely. Get the explanations in early and have them recorded so that they can refer to them and remember what was supposed to have happened.

I don't know when exactly Gerry tried to implement copyright on his blogs and tried to have them removed? I've heard about this but don't have solid references for it. Does anyone know?

The blog imo was also to pass on messages to those 'in the know'. I think that's what the fridge was about, if this occurred around the beginning of June - it would link with the phonecall with ROB some 24 km away when G said it was 3 km away. That phonecall is linked to the barn and the towel and the fibres found there and those again are linked to the Renault.
Then there was the strange episode of the wallet and the cryptic message about one or two other things in the wallet. Initially photographs of Maddie were said to be in it but why not say that the photographs were still in the wallet?

Communicating without using electronic data must have been a problem, the blog would have been very useful.




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Re: The Fridge

Post  Panda on Mon 25 Jun - 18:27


What I find bizarre was the speed with which they borrowed a Printer , printed photos of Madeleine to send to the Press , presumably to give to the
Portugese Police as well . all within hours of Madeleine reported missing . These Parents are not nomal, , hysterical one minute , busy bees the next ,
too busy to search for their daughter with all the other volunteers ......yet not a clue why Madeleine was abducted!!!!1 Was she abducted for ransom?
by a paedophile ring? by a couple who wanted a child of their own? Any of these reasons would have precluded a sighting of Madeleine, yet they set
up a Fund to search for her.

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Re: The Fridge

Post  cherry1 on Mon 25 Jun - 21:32

Cant remember where I read it but Im sure something came out that it was commented that the
photos that were produced it seemed as if they had already prepared these photos and produced
them.

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Re: The Fridge

Post  malena stool on Mon 25 Jun - 22:43

cherry1 wrote:Cant remember where I read it but Im sure something came out that it was commented that the
photos that were produced it seemed as if they had already prepared these photos and produced
them.
Yes Cherry, IIRC there was a thread on this subject on 3As.

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Re: The Fridge

Post  Badboy on Mon 25 Jun - 23:48

cherry1 wrote:Cant remember where I read it but Im sure something came out that it was commented that the
photos that were produced it seemed as if they had already prepared these photos and produced
them.
IT APPEARS THAT THE PAPER USED WAS NOT AVAIBLE IN PDL.

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