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Post  kitti on Tue 12 Jun - 12:02

That proves nothing....all it says is as dogs have attacked and killed other children that it MUST off been a dingo and how could NEW evidence come forward this time that wasn't presented last time....we know abkut breakthroughs in cases years down the line but I still don't understand how just because dingos have killed before and they were in the area where they preside we can assume that a dingo took the baby...

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Post  kitti on Tue 12 Jun - 12:04

If there's a death you do get blood...



We know she wasn't kidnapped.

The fact off the matter is....there will always be doubt.






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Post  princess_leia on Tue 12 Jun - 12:15

kitti wrote:That proves nothing....all it says is as dogs have attacked and killed other children that it MUST off been a dingo and how could NEW evidence come forward this time that wasn't presented last time....we know abkut breakthroughs in cases years down the line but I still don't understand how just because dingos have killed before and they were in the area where they preside we can assume that a dingo took the baby...

That's not all it says at all. It actually says so much more.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 12 Jun - 12:18

princess_leia wrote:
kitti wrote:That proves nothing....all it says is as dogs have attacked and killed other children that it MUST off been a dingo and how could NEW evidence come forward this time that wasn't presented last time....we know abkut breakthroughs in cases years down the line but I still don't understand how just because dingos have killed before and they were in the area where they preside we can assume that a dingo took the baby...

That's not all it says at all. It actually says so much more.

what many dont know is leia aboriginals were ued to help find azaria but were not allowed to give evidence they saw dingo paw prints and the print of the mattnee jacket which may have been from the baby being dropped or dragged along the ground that led into near the dingo lair

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Post  princess_leia on Tue 12 Jun - 12:26

Pieces I've picked out from the coroners report.


Mr and Mrs Chamberlain and their three children, Aidan, Reagan and
Azaria, arrived at Uluru, generally known then as Ayers Rock on 2
Saturday 16 August 1980, setting up their tent in the top camping area
on the east side of the rock.
5) They were not alone, with six families in the camping area on the night
of 17 August; the West’s, the Dawson’s, the Haby’s, the Lowe’s and the
Whittaker’s.
6) A common barbecue area was about 20-25 metres from the
Chamberlain’s tent. Mr and Mrs Chamberlain were in this area shortly
prior to 8.00pm, preparing their evening meal. Aidan and Azaria were
with them, but Reagan was already in the tent asleep in his sleeping
bag. Mrs Chamberlain was nursing Azaria, speaking to Mr and Mrs
Lowe. Mrs Chamberlain then took Azaria and Aidan back to their tent
area. She placed a sleeping Azaria in a bassinet in the rear of the tent
and then went to get a tin of baked beans from their car for Aidan. Mrs
Chamberlain then went back to the tent, and then returned to the
barbecue area with Aidan.
7) Shortly after Mrs Chamberlain returned to the barbecue, Mrs Lowe
heard a baby cry from the tent. Mrs Chamberlain went immediately to
check on Azaria, and moments later cried out either “That dog’s got my
baby” or “My God, My God, a dingo has got my baby”.
8) Both Mr and Mrs West heard the growl of a dingo or dog from the
direction of the Chamberlain’s tent fairly soon before they heard Mrs
Chamberlain cry out.

10) At around 8.25pm Mr Derek Roff, the ranger in charge of the area
arrived. He, along with Constable Morris, who arrived shortly 3
thereafter, organised a search party consisting of some 250-300
people, who search the areas east, north and south of the tent until
about 3.00am.
11) Mr Haby found tracks on the sand dunes east of the camp, along with a
mark or imprint on the sand as though an object had been put down.
Mr Roff also saw this imprint or drag mark, which he likened to a crepe
bandage or resembling a knitted garment.


Constable Morris also saw
drag marks in that area, as well as tracks close to the rear of the tent.
12) Mr Roff and Mr Nui Minyintiri tracked a drag mark on the crest of a sand
dune to the east of the tent. In Mr Minyintiri’s expert opinion the tracks
of a dingo that he saw showed that “it walked as though it had some
load on it….when I was tracking the dingo I knew, or I thought that it
was carrying the baby for sure.”
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Mrs Barbara Winmati also assisted in
attempting the next day to follow the tracks leading south from the tent,
but after a considerable distance, lost the animal’s trail.
13) Blood was found inside the tent on various articles. This blood was
Azaria’s.


Hairs, which were either dog or dingo hairs, were found in the tent
and on Azaria’s jumpsuit. The Chamberlains had not owned a dog
for some years prior to August 1980.

The quantity and distribution of the sand found on Azaria’s clothing
might have been the result of it being dragged through sand. The
sand would have come from many places in the Ayers Rock region.
The sand and plant fragments on the clothing are consistent with
Azaria’s body being carried and dragged by a dingo
from the tent to
the place where it was found. It is unlikely that, if the clothing had
been taken from the Chamberlains’ car, buried, disinterred, and later
placed where it was found it would have collected the quantity and
variety of plant material found upon it.
It would have been very difficult for a dingo to have removed Azaria
from her clothing without causing more damage than was observed
on it. However, it would have been possible for it to have done so

Mr Roff, the chief ranger at Ayers Rock and a man of great
experience, thought that the arrangement of the clothing when
discovered was consistent with dingo activity.

The blood found in the tent was at least as consistent with dingo
involvement in Azaria’s disappearance as it was with her murder in
the car.
The pattern of blood staining on the clothing does not
establish that the child’s throat was cut with a blade.

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Post  princess_leia on Tue 12 Jun - 12:37

Justiceforallkids wrote:
princess_leia wrote:
kitti wrote:That proves nothing....all it says is as dogs have attacked and killed other children that it MUST off been a dingo and how could NEW evidence come forward this time that wasn't presented last time....we know abkut breakthroughs in cases years down the line but I still don't understand how just because dingos have killed before and they were in the area where they preside we can assume that a dingo took the baby...

That's not all it says at all. It actually says so much more.

what many dont know is leia aboriginals were ued to help find azaria but were not allowed to give evidence they saw dingo paw prints and the print of the mattnee jacket which may have been from the baby being dropped or dragged along the ground that led into near the dingo lair

I know. There was so much evidence not allowed to be used over the years.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Tue 12 Jun - 12:46

princess_leia wrote:
Justiceforallkids wrote:
princess_leia wrote:
kitti wrote:That proves nothing....all it says is as dogs have attacked and killed other children that it MUST off been a dingo and how could NEW evidence come forward this time that wasn't presented last time....we know abkut breakthroughs in cases years down the line but I still don't understand how just because dingos have killed before and they were in the area where they preside we can assume that a dingo took the baby...

That's not all it says at all. It actually says so much more.

what many dont know is leia aboriginals were ued to help find azaria but were not allowed to give evidence they saw dingo paw prints and the print of the mattnee jacket which may have been from the baby being dropped or dragged along the ground that led into near the dingo lair

I know. There was so much evidence not allowed to be used over the years.

the human intervention ruling meant someone be it a tourist etc or aborginal MAY have found a badly damaged body and buried her there at uluru ( ayers rock) and the thing is it was breeding season and winter the diingo may have taken azarias body back to its puppies a dingo wouldnt know the diffrence betweena human baby and another animal and people are comparing this and the mcann case you cant do it they are competly not the same imo even today lindy said if they had been warned about the danger she would not have put the kids in the tent

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Post  tigger on Tue 12 Jun - 13:27

Justiceforallkids wrote:
princess_leia wrote:
Justiceforallkids wrote:
princess_leia wrote:
kitti wrote:That proves nothing....all it says is as dogs have attacked and killed other children that it MUST off been a dingo and how could NEW evidence come forward this time that wasn't presented last time....we know abkut breakthroughs in cases years down the line but I still don't understand how just because dingos have killed before and they were in the area where they preside we can assume that a dingo took the baby...

That's not all it says at all. It actually says so much more.

what many dont know is leia aboriginals were ued to help find azaria but were not allowed to give evidence they saw dingo paw prints and the print of the mattnee jacket which may have been from the baby being dropped or dragged along the ground that led into near the dingo lair

I know. There was so much evidence not allowed to be used over the years.

the human intervention ruling meant someone be it a tourist etc or aborginal MAY have found a badly damaged body and buried her there at uluru ( ayers rock) and the thing is it was breeding season and winter the diingo may have taken azarias body back to its puppies a dingo wouldnt know the diffrence betweena human baby and another animal and people are comparing this and the mcann case you cant do it they are competly not the same imo even today lindy said if they had been warned about the danger she would not have put the kids in the tent

I think that bit about the aborigines' evidence not being allowed is so unbelievably short sighted. I read that the reason was that the man spoke in the first person although it was his wife who had found evidence. This is normal practice for Aborigines. How on earth can that be ignored?

You're so right that this is nothing like the mcCanns. It's imo quite possible that the baby died earlier accidentally or not and that they made this up. Her actions and descriptions make no sense to me - the dingo could not have run very fast with a baby - she told it to go away and it should have dropped the baby and run off.
Lindy then spent some time rummaging in the tent trying to find the baby. None of that makes sense to me.

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Post  kitti on Tue 12 Jun - 13:54

The question is.......are you 100% sure that a dingo took the baby....my answer is...no...simple as that.

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Post  Guest on Tue 12 Jun - 14:26

I believe that there were marks found on the matinee coat that could have been made by canine teeth, and dingoes have been observed "skinning" their food before eating it. We had a cat that used to expertly skin the mice she caught, even a small clockwork metal one that we bought her to play with. She stripped the fur right off it and continued to play with it anyway. It's not an unknown phenomena.

ETA there was also "evidence" of "blood spatter" found in the front seats of the Chamberlain's car, that later turned out to be a can of Coca Cola that had fizzed up on opening.

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Post  Loopdaloop on Tue 12 Jun - 15:21

princess_leia wrote:Pieces I've picked out from the coroners report.


Mr and Mrs Chamberlain and their three children, Aidan, Reagan and
Azaria, arrived at Uluru, generally known then as Ayers Rock on 2
Saturday 16 August 1980, setting up their tent in the top camping area
on the east side of the rock.
5) They were not alone, with six families in the camping area on the night
of 17 August; the West’s, the Dawson’s, the Haby’s, the Lowe’s and the
Whittaker’s.
6) A common barbecue area was about 20-25 metres from the
Chamberlain’s tent. Mr and Mrs Chamberlain were in this area shortly
prior to 8.00pm, preparing their evening meal. Aidan and Azaria were
with them, but Reagan was already in the tent asleep in his sleeping
bag. Mrs Chamberlain was nursing Azaria, speaking to Mr and Mrs
Lowe. Mrs Chamberlain then took Azaria and Aidan back to their tent
area. She placed a sleeping Azaria in a bassinet in the rear of the tent
and then went to get a tin of baked beans from their car for Aidan. Mrs
Chamberlain then went back to the tent, and then returned to the
barbecue area with Aidan.
7) Shortly after Mrs Chamberlain returned to the barbecue, Mrs Lowe
heard a baby cry from the tent. Mrs Chamberlain went immediately to
check on Azaria, and moments later cried out either “That dog’s got my
baby” or “My God, My God, a dingo has got my baby”.
8) Both Mr and Mrs West heard the growl of a dingo or dog from the
direction of the Chamberlain’s tent fairly soon before they heard Mrs
Chamberlain cry out.

10) At around 8.25pm Mr Derek Roff, the ranger in charge of the area
arrived. He, along with Constable Morris, who arrived shortly 3
thereafter, organised a search party consisting of some 250-300
people, who search the areas east, north and south of the tent until
about 3.00am.
11) Mr Haby found tracks on the sand dunes east of the camp, along with a
mark or imprint on the sand as though an object had been put down.
Mr Roff also saw this imprint or drag mark, which he likened to a crepe
bandage or resembling a knitted garment.


Constable Morris also saw
drag marks in that area, as well as tracks close to the rear of the tent.
12) Mr Roff and Mr Nui Minyintiri tracked a drag mark on the crest of a sand
dune to the east of the tent. In Mr Minyintiri’s expert opinion the tracks
of a dingo that he saw showed that “it walked as though it had some
load on it….when I was tracking the dingo I knew, or I thought that it
was carrying the baby for sure.”
1
Mrs Barbara Winmati also assisted in
attempting the next day to follow the tracks leading south from the tent,
but after a considerable distance, lost the animal’s trail.
13) Blood was found inside the tent on various articles. This blood was
Azaria’s.


Hairs, which were either dog or dingo hairs, were found in the tent
and on Azaria’s jumpsuit. The Chamberlains had not owned a dog
for some years prior to August 1980.

The quantity and distribution of the sand found on Azaria’s clothing
might have been the result of it being dragged through sand. The
sand would have come from many places in the Ayers Rock region.
The sand and plant fragments on the clothing are consistent with
Azaria’s body being carried and dragged by a dingo
from the tent to
the place where it was found. It is unlikely that, if the clothing had
been taken from the Chamberlains’ car, buried, disinterred, and later
placed where it was found it would have collected the quantity and
variety of plant material found upon it.
It would have been very difficult for a dingo to have removed Azaria
from her clothing without causing more damage than was observed
on it. However, it would have been possible for it to have done so

Mr Roff, the chief ranger at Ayers Rock and a man of great
experience, thought that the arrangement of the clothing when
discovered was consistent with dingo activity.

The blood found in the tent was at least as consistent with dingo
involvement in Azaria’s disappearance as it was with her murder in
the car.
The pattern of blood staining on the clothing does not
establish that the child’s throat was cut with a blade.

I believe the dog did it in this instance. There was news reports at later dates of dingo's doing similar.
Also anyone who has a dog has seen them carrying all sorts of things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69jWiph0Srw

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 12 Jun - 15:29

Loopdaloop wrote:
princess_leia wrote:Pieces I've picked out from the coroners report.


Mr and Mrs Chamberlain and their three children, Aidan, Reagan and
Azaria, arrived at Uluru, generally known then as Ayers Rock on 2
Saturday 16 August 1980, setting up their tent in the top camping area
on the east side of the rock.
5) They were not alone, with six families in the camping area on the night
of 17 August; the West’s, the Dawson’s, the Haby’s, the Lowe’s and the
Whittaker’s.
6) A common barbecue area was about 20-25 metres from the
Chamberlain’s tent. Mr and Mrs Chamberlain were in this area shortly
prior to 8.00pm, preparing their evening meal. Aidan and Azaria were
with them, but Reagan was already in the tent asleep in his sleeping
bag. Mrs Chamberlain was nursing Azaria, speaking to Mr and Mrs
Lowe. Mrs Chamberlain then took Azaria and Aidan back to their tent
area. She placed a sleeping Azaria in a bassinet in the rear of the tent
and then went to get a tin of baked beans from their car for Aidan. Mrs
Chamberlain then went back to the tent, and then returned to the
barbecue area with Aidan.
7) Shortly after Mrs Chamberlain returned to the barbecue, Mrs Lowe
heard a baby cry from the tent. Mrs Chamberlain went immediately to
check on Azaria, and moments later cried out either “That dog’s got my
baby” or “My God, My God, a dingo has got my baby”.
8) Both Mr and Mrs West heard the growl of a dingo or dog from the
direction of the Chamberlain’s tent fairly soon before they heard Mrs
Chamberlain cry out.

10) At around 8.25pm Mr Derek Roff, the ranger in charge of the area
arrived. He, along with Constable Morris, who arrived shortly 3
thereafter, organised a search party consisting of some 250-300
people, who search the areas east, north and south of the tent until
about 3.00am.
11) Mr Haby found tracks on the sand dunes east of the camp, along with a
mark or imprint on the sand as though an object had been put down.
Mr Roff also saw this imprint or drag mark, which he likened to a crepe
bandage or resembling a knitted garment.


Constable Morris also saw
drag marks in that area, as well as tracks close to the rear of the tent.
12) Mr Roff and Mr Nui Minyintiri tracked a drag mark on the crest of a sand
dune to the east of the tent. In Mr Minyintiri’s expert opinion the tracks
of a dingo that he saw showed that “it walked as though it had some
load on it….when I was tracking the dingo I knew, or I thought that it
was carrying the baby for sure.”
1
Mrs Barbara Winmati also assisted in
attempting the next day to follow the tracks leading south from the tent,
but after a considerable distance, lost the animal’s trail.
13) Blood was found inside the tent on various articles. This blood was
Azaria’s.


Hairs, which were either dog or dingo hairs, were found in the tent
and on Azaria’s jumpsuit. The Chamberlains had not owned a dog
for some years prior to August 1980.

The quantity and distribution of the sand found on Azaria’s clothing
might have been the result of it being dragged through sand. The
sand would have come from many places in the Ayers Rock region.
The sand and plant fragments on the clothing are consistent with
Azaria’s body being carried and dragged by a dingo
from the tent to
the place where it was found. It is unlikely that, if the clothing had
been taken from the Chamberlains’ car, buried, disinterred, and later
placed where it was found it would have collected the quantity and
variety of plant material found upon it.
It would have been very difficult for a dingo to have removed Azaria
from her clothing without causing more damage than was observed
on it. However, it would have been possible for it to have done so

Mr Roff, the chief ranger at Ayers Rock and a man of great
experience, thought that the arrangement of the clothing when
discovered was consistent with dingo activity.

The blood found in the tent was at least as consistent with dingo
involvement in Azaria’s disappearance as it was with her murder in
the car.
The pattern of blood staining on the clothing does not
establish that the child’s throat was cut with a blade.

I believe the dog did it in this instance. There was news reports at later dates of dingo's doing similar.
Also anyone who has a dog has seen them carrying all sorts of things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69jWiph0Srw

I've seen a cat carrying all sorts of things. One of our cats used to bring home some strange objects, but the strangest was a huge joint of roast beef. We were all sitting in the garden one Sunday when Koko waddled down the path with a very large, still steaming, joint of beef swinging from his jaws by the string. I think someone may have put that meat on a window ledge to cool and got a big surprise, but we had no way of knowing where Koko got it from. It was so big, we were amazed that Koko managed to cart it away!

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Post  Guest on Tue 12 Jun - 15:39

My mum used to have a little red cairn, and he was a terrible thief. If he could get out he would go down to the local shops and shoplift whatever he could get. She was always having to go down there and apologise, and pay for what he stole. One day he came home with - wait for it - a slab of Christmas cake, complete with marzipan, icing, wee bells and a robin on top. He'd gone into Greggs the bakers, where they had all the Christmas cakes on a stand, and just helped himself to something on a shelf near the floor. How he managed to get it up the road, we never found out, as he just had little jaws and this cake was about as big as himself! And he wouldn't let us take it off him neither, he'd have had your hand right off if you had tried to take his prize away from him.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 12 Jun - 15:47

Iris wrote:My mum used to have a little red cairn, and he was a terrible thief. If he could get out he would go down to the local shops and shoplift whatever he could get. She was always having to go down there and apologise, and pay for what he stole. One day he came home with - wait for it - a slab of Christmas cake, complete with marzipan, icing, wee bells and a robin on top. He'd gone into Greggs the bakers, where they had all the Christmas cakes on a stand, and just helped himself to something on a shelf near the floor. How he managed to get it up the road, we never found out, as he just had little jaws and this cake was about as big as himself! And he wouldn't let us take it off him neither, he'd have had your hand right off if you had tried to take his prize away from him.

Clever wee duggie!!

We didn't manage to get that beef away from Koko!

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