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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 16:51

There is a video on this page. Towards the end, they show the original search of Robert Murat's garden, where men can be seen digging behind the foliage.

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/aa---videos---sociedade/maddie-murat-algarve-sul-africano-tvi24/1359663-5795.html

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 16:53

Claudia79 wrote:

Well Claudia, I don't know where they dug that researcher up from, but they really ought to throw him back!

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Post  T4two on Thu 5 Jul - 17:37

Interesting that this has re-surfaced and apologies for earlier scepticism. Since the original searches were extremely thorough, perhaps the body was buried in Murat's garden after the police searched? Perhaps it was buried there and Murat is himself not aware of it? Pointing the finger at Murat is a favourite tactic to divert attention away from a certain couple isn't it?

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Post  Angelina on Thu 5 Jul - 18:03

T4two wrote:Interesting that this has re-surfaced and apologies for earlier scepticism. Since the original searches were extremely thorough, perhaps the body was buried in Murat's garden after the police searched? Perhaps it was buried there and Murat is himself not aware of it? Pointing the finger at Murat is a favourite tactic to divert attention away from a certain couple isn't it?

If the dogs are as good as claimed, and I believe they are, one of them at least would have picked up the scent.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 18:07

Angelina wrote:
T4two wrote:Interesting that this has re-surfaced and apologies for earlier scepticism. Since the original searches were extremely thorough, perhaps the body was buried in Murat's garden after the police searched? Perhaps it was buried there and Murat is himself not aware of it? Pointing the finger at Murat is a favourite tactic to divert attention away from a certain couple isn't it?

If the dogs are as good as claimed, and I believe they are, one of them at least would have picked up the scent.

I looked on the TVI web site. Pages from the newspaper were shown, which displayed images from Birch's ground penetrating radar. It looked as though there was disturbance to quite a shallow level in the soil, but then the police dug up the garden when they searched the premises.

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Post  Oldartform on Thu 5 Jul - 18:26

Were cadaver and blood dogs used in Murat`s garden or just the tracker dogs?


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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 18:27

Oldartform wrote:Were cadaver and blood dogs used in Murat`s garden or just the tracker dogs?


The house and garden were searched twice. In May, GNR dogs were used and in August, a British sniffer dog was reported to have been used.

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Post  kathybelle on Thu 5 Jul - 18:31

If that reporter hadn't said anything to the police about Robert Murat hanging around, even though he was acting as a translator, I wonder if he would have been in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 18:34

kathybelle wrote:If that reporter hadn't said anything to the police about Robert Murat hanging around, even though he was acting as a translator, I wonder if he would have been in the frame for Madeleine's disappearance.

Lori Campbell probably thought she was in line for a prize, breathlessly stating her suspicions and likening Murat to the Soham case.

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Post  Oldartform on Thu 5 Jul - 18:34

AnnaEsse wrote:
Oldartform wrote:Were cadaver and blood dogs used in Murat`s garden or just the tracker dogs?


The house and garden were searched twice. In May, GNR dogs were used and in August, a British sniffer dog was reported to have been used.

Thanks AnnaEsse - just wondered if they were as expert as Eddie at detecting dead bodies. I think the GNR dogs were looking for a live Maddie.


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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 18:36

Oldartform wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Oldartform wrote:Were cadaver and blood dogs used in Murat`s garden or just the tracker dogs?


The house and garden were searched twice. In May, GNR dogs were used and in August, a British sniffer dog was reported to have been used.

Thanks AnnaEsse - just wondered if they were as expert as Eddie at detecting dead bodies. I think the GNR dogs were looking for a live Maddie.


The house and gardens were searched over two full days in August 2007 with a British dog, which I think was probably Eddie.

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Post  fred on Thu 5 Jul - 18:41

They even drained his swimming pool.

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Re: South African researcher tells the CM what he found when he sought to know what happened to Maddie. Explosive revelations, to read in the CM

Post  Angelina on Thu 5 Jul - 18:47

Date: 04 and 05 August 2007

Report: Casa Liliana, residence of the suspect Robert Murat, situated on "Ramalhete" road - Praia da Luz - Lagos.

Participants:

PJ: Tavares A., chief inspector, J. Carlos P., Ricardo P, inspectors
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime and Eddie.

On that date, within the context of residential visits, which were carried out at the home of the suspect ROBERT MURAT, an inspection by the dog handling unit was made in the gardens and inside the residence of the accused.

August 4th 2007 - 19h28: Start of the inspection of the gardens of the residence. Eddie, human remains recovery dog, covered the whole perimeter outside the dwelling and nothing abnormal was signalled.

August 5th 2007 - 15h22: The same dog inspected all rooms of the residence and nothing in particular was signalled.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html#aug11

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Post  Oldartform on Thu 5 Jul - 18:51

Yep you`re right AnnaEsse, it was Eddie, from your translation :-

ah..... Angelina beat me to it .....


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Post  mossman on Thu 5 Jul - 18:59

The dogs alerted to the renault which as we know was not hired for sometime afterwards. Therefore, if those alerts were correct and it was Madeleine in the boot of that car, she was somewhere temporarily, then laid to rest quite a few weeks later.

Where better to hide something, than somwhere that has already been searched, sniffed, x-rayed and anything else the PJ could think of ? Why would the PJ return and re-dig once it had already been done.

Unlikely of course, but just an opinion.

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Post  Bobsy on Thu 5 Jul - 19:30

Well he has his legal people at the ready so is expecting trouble.
It could be of course that it is a pet that has been buried, hence no alert from Eddie, but why put a drive in that position where he says it was of no use. But people do have areas of hard standing for washing lines or other domestic reasons.
I certainly think though that we have not heard the last of this chap and his findings.

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Post  Annabel on Thu 5 Jul - 19:39

Video/interview with Stephen Birch

http://expresso.sapo.pt/conheca-o-sul-africano-que-diz-ter-descoberto-restos-mortais-de-maddie=f737713[flash][/flash]

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Post  jay2001 on Thu 5 Jul - 20:01

Was it the May dig that GMc completely ignored in his inane blog? If you thought that your missing child might be buried in a neighbouring garden you'd be there watching. Yet no mention IIRC in the blog, in fact I think he said they'd had an early night.

Bit like when the world was waiting for the dna on the glass in Tonigren? (I think) and the parents hot footed somewhere the opposite way.

Little things like that raise red flags. Perhaps this article is why there was that load of Horrocks in the super, soaraway rag.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 20:01

Oldartform wrote:Yep you`re right AnnaEsse, it was Eddie, from your translation :-

ah..... Angelina beat me to it .....


I knew I'd seen that somewhere!

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Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 5 Jul - 20:05

If anyone really thought a body was there it would be dug up already and it would be over every media outlet in the world.
However, it is probably a deceased pet.

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Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 5 Jul - 20:08

Carolina wrote:I have the CdM paper and there is a 4 page spread about this whole. This guy Birch is a real estate developer and is fascinated with the Maddie case. He believes that once the body is found it will be possible to solve the case. He also states that he believes that Maddie died accidentally that night and was buried at Murat's house because it had easy access. He is also convinced that Murat and his family are not involved. He also praised Gonšalo Amaral, considering him an honest and competent person and a policeman with many years of experience.


That is more or less what was said in the article.

Thinking about it, t The Mcann's were very eager to set Murat up and turn him into a suspect. As was the rest of the tapas. IF: this scenario is accurate, then it would make sense as they would assume Murat's garden was going to be searched thoroughly and that would mean they get the body back.

What sort of newspaper in the uk is this newspaper equivilent to?

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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 5 Jul - 20:31

tanszi wrote:Oh Claudia i love your comment. lol.

I think it sums up my reaction to the 'news'.

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Post  Claudia79 on Thu 5 Jul - 20:32

AnnaEsse wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:

Well Claudia, I don't know where they dug that researcher up from, but they really ought to throw him back!

And that smart either. Confessing to trespassing! Ooops!

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 5 Jul - 20:41

Claudia79 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:

Well Claudia, I don't know where they dug that researcher up from, but they really ought to throw him back!

And that smart either. Confessing to trespassing! Ooops!

And then skedaddled back to South Africa. Four times in that garden without permission.

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Post  malena stool on Thu 5 Jul - 20:42

AnnaEsse wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Claudia79 wrote:

Well Claudia, I don't know where they dug that researcher up from, but they really ought to throw him back!

And that smart either. Confessing to trespassing! Ooops!

And then skedaddled back to South Africa. Four times in that garden without permission.
Hopefully he didn't take anything with him.... Fridges and blue sports bags leap to mind...

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