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Post  kitti on Thu 12 Jul - 22:05

Fern.....dogs dig up lots off things....it's the ALERTS they do that matter.


By the way, the dog didn't dig up a coconut.....a human did.


By the way, did you know there are BED BUG DOGS now in the USA?

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Post  kitti on Thu 12 Jul - 22:11

When 'Keela' was nine months old she was tasked to search an open fishing boat, contaminated by rotting fish flesh and BLOOD.

A missing person was believed to have been killed on the boat.

The dog located and alerted to a blood sample that was so small that when LOW
COPY analysed was reported as being PRIMATE and an uncompleted sample.


There are only two scenarios to suit this find. The blood was either human or a gorilla went out in a boat fishing ! !




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Post  Guest on Thu 12 Jul - 22:45

Fern wrote:
Iris wrote:Oh, here we go. I knew it would come up eventually. The old "Coconut" argument.

There is no argument as far as I'm concerned Iris, I obtain my information from Martin Grimes statements and as I have no theory I have no need in the slightest to 'adapt' his comments to suit my opinion.


I just thought I would save everyone the time and trouble of leading up to the rotten-meat-and-nappies-and-coconut defence.

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Post  jd16 on Fri 13 Jul - 0:41

Fern wrote:

My point being Margaret is that the 200 cases often mentioned in relation to Eddie not being wrong in detecting cadaver odour, is rather different to what Martin Grimes states in his statement with regards to food alerts.

2262 to 2268 Martin Grime personal profile ( English)
2813 to 2835 Martin Grimes Personal Profile
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11 also Processo XI 2813 to 2835


"In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Still trying your hardest NP-B!

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Post  Fern on Fri 13 Jul - 15:34

kitti wrote:Fern.....dogs dig up lots off things....it's the ALERTS they do that matter.


By the way, the dog didn't dig up a coconut.....a human did.


By the way, did you know there are BED BUG DOGS now in the USA?


I've not mentioned the coconut issue Kitti however just for the record this is what I believe.

The Anthrapologist found at the scene what he considered to be part of a childs skull.

The item was then presented to Eddie whose indication was considered to be an alert to 'humain remains'.

As a result the item was then sent for testing to establish just what exactly it was and basically it was concluded that this item was either a segment of coconut shell or part of large seed casing.

Now regardless of this and that both Anthrapologist and Eddie allegedly got it wrong, I really do find this hard to believe therefore in my opinion I suspect the shell/casing was removed from an area that had been in contact with human remains.

And no, I can't say I've heard of bed bug dogs Kitti

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Post  kitti on Fri 13 Jul - 17:07

They are specially trained dogs to hunt down bed bugs lol.....go look at the videos off them...people hire them to find the bugs and these dogs can detect these tiny little critters wherever they are.

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Post  kitti on Fri 13 Jul - 17:09

Orange county bed bug dog detection team....

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Post  kitti on Fri 13 Jul - 17:16

And I forgot to tell you about ......the new.....cellphone dogs ...yes...they are trained to sniff out a cell phone which could be hidden ANYWHERE in a prison cell....cellphone dog will find it!

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Post  Guest on Fri 13 Jul - 17:21

kitti wrote:And I forgot to tell you about ......the new.....cellphone dogs ...yes...they are trained to sniff out a cell phone which could be hidden ANYWHERE in a prison cell....cellphone dog will find it!

Unless the phone in question is on o2, obviously!

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Post  pennylane on Fri 13 Jul - 17:25

I was watching a New Zealand airport customs show yesterday, with busy specialist springer spaniels sniffing out various illegal vegetations and foods in peoples luggage. Suddenly doggie put her nose in the air, turned about face, and darted off across the airport with the handler running breathlessly behind. Turned out there was a teeny, weeny little (banned) spider crawling along the floor that the clever doggie had picked up a whiff off. The dog alerted by standing above it and barking once in the air.

Customs said that the spider had probably hitched a ride on someone's clothes, luggage or shoes. That fantastic dog picked up the scent from clear across the airport! Poor little spider had to be euthanised.... but how amazing is that!

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Post  cherry1 on Fri 13 Jul - 17:31

this is where the Mccanns have put their foot in it, the dogs are so reliable and highly
thought of that anyone dissing them is making themselves look like a complete idiot!

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Post  pennylane on Fri 13 Jul - 17:41

cherry1 wrote: this is where the Mccanns have put their foot in it, the dogs are so reliable and highly
thought of that anyone dissing them is making themselves look like a complete idiot!

Spot on cherry.

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Post  margaret on Fri 13 Jul - 18:07

Fern wrote:

My point being Margaret is that the 200 cases often mentioned in relation to Eddie not being wrong in detecting cadaver odour, is rather different to what Martin Grimes states in his statement with regards to food alerts.

2262 to 2268 Martin Grime personal profile ( English)
2813 to 2835 Martin Grimes Personal Profile
09-Processo 9..Pages 2262 to 2268
11 also Processo XI 2813 to 2835


"In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm




That is a puzzling conclusion, Martin grimes is talking about the workings of cadaver dogs and he is stating that even though they are trained using pig cadavers the dogs have never alerted to meat based foodstuffs in their work of detecting cadavers in 200 cases .

I'm struggling to see why he'd carry on training them evety 6 months, working on cases and with the FBI if in over 200 cases the dogs never found any cadaver evidence at all.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Fri 13 Jul - 18:34

pennylane wrote:I was watching a New Zealand airport customs show yesterday, with busy specialist springer spaniels sniffing out various illegal vegetations and foods in peoples luggage. Suddenly doggie put her nose in the air, turned about face, and darted off across the airport with the handler running breathlessly behind. Turned out there was a teeny, weeny little (banned) spider crawling along the floor that the clever doggie had picked up a whiff off. The dog alerted by standing above it and barking once in the air.

Customs said that the spider had probably hitched a ride on someone's clothes, luggage or shoes. That fantastic dog picked up the scent from clear across the airport! Poor little spider had to be euthanised.... but how amazing is that!

Was that the programme where a lovely Spaniel also started going nuts around a guy who claimed to have smoked a joint the day before?

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Post  Guest on Fri 13 Jul - 18:36

And the supposed "coconut" had traces on collagen in it. Must have been a very unusual coconut.

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Post  pennylane on Fri 13 Jul - 18:49

AnnaEsse wrote:
pennylane wrote:I was watching a New Zealand airport customs show yesterday, with busy specialist springer spaniels sniffing out various illegal vegetations and foods in peoples luggage. Suddenly doggie put her nose in the air, turned about face, and darted off across the airport with the handler running breathlessly behind. Turned out there was a teeny, weeny little (banned) spider crawling along the floor that the clever doggie had picked up a whiff off. The dog alerted by standing above it and barking once in the air.

Customs said that the spider had probably hitched a ride on someone's clothes, luggage or shoes. That fantastic dog picked up the scent from clear across the airport! Poor little spider had to be euthanised.... but how amazing is that!

Was that the programme where a lovely Spaniel also started going nuts around a guy who claimed to have smoked a joint the day before?

Yes that's the one Anna. That lad had an empty cocaine packet in his back jean pocket and two banned amphetamine pills in his bag. Even when the customs woman had taken the contraband off him, the Spaniel still went back over and had another bark at his empty back pocket. It was so cool to see how smart those dogs are.

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Post  Angelina on Fri 13 Jul - 18:57

pennylane wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
pennylane wrote:I was watching a New Zealand airport customs show yesterday, with busy specialist springer spaniels sniffing out various illegal vegetations and foods in peoples luggage. Suddenly doggie put her nose in the air, turned about face, and darted off across the airport with the handler running breathlessly behind. Turned out there was a teeny, weeny little (banned) spider crawling along the floor that the clever doggie had picked up a whiff off. The dog alerted by standing above it and barking once in the air.

Customs said that the spider had probably hitched a ride on someone's clothes, luggage or shoes. That fantastic dog picked up the scent from clear across the airport! Poor little spider had to be euthanised.... but how amazing is that!

Was that the programme where a lovely Spaniel also started going nuts around a guy who claimed to have smoked a joint the day before?

Yes that's the one Anna. That lad had an empty cocaine packet in his back jean pocket and two banned amphetamine pills in his bag. Even when the customs woman had taken the contraband off him, the Spaniel still went back over and had another bark at his empty back pocket. It was so cool to see how smart those dogs are.

They are quick too. I got searched at LA...I'd hardly stepped in the room before this dog came smelling round my bag and wagging it's tail...what had I had in there....a banana. It was a fruit detecting dog. One of my sons had eaten the banana on the flight out!

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Post  Badboy on Fri 13 Jul - 19:52

at 8pm there is a programme send in the dogs

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Post  pennylane on Fri 13 Jul - 19:58

Angelina wrote:
pennylane wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
pennylane wrote:I was watching a New Zealand airport customs show yesterday, with busy specialist springer spaniels sniffing out various illegal vegetations and foods in peoples luggage. Suddenly doggie put her nose in the air, turned about face, and darted off across the airport with the handler running breathlessly behind. Turned out there was a teeny, weeny little (banned) spider crawling along the floor that the clever doggie had picked up a whiff off. The dog alerted by standing above it and barking once in the air.

Customs said that the spider had probably hitched a ride on someone's clothes, luggage or shoes. That fantastic dog picked up the scent from clear across the airport! Poor little spider had to be euthanised.... but how amazing is that!

Was that the programme where a lovely Spaniel also started going nuts around a guy who claimed to have smoked a joint the day before?

Yes that's the one Anna. That lad had an empty cocaine packet in his back jean pocket and two banned amphetamine pills in his bag. Even when the customs woman had taken the contraband off him, the Spaniel still went back over and had another bark at his empty back pocket. It was so cool to see how smart those dogs are.

They are quick too. I got searched at LA...I'd hardly stepped in the room before this dog came smelling round my bag and wagging it's tail...what had I had in there....a banana. It was a fruit detecting dog. One of my sons had eaten the banana on the flight out!

Wow, clever dogs! Must have been a bit unnerving for you though.


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Post  cherry1 on Fri 13 Jul - 20:03

thanks Badboy

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Post  margaret on Fri 13 Jul - 21:25

Badboy wrote:at 8pm there is a programme send in the dogs

Bellboy l didn't recognise you without your caps!

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Post  Angelina on Fri 13 Jul - 21:43

pennylane wrote:
Angelina wrote:
pennylane wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
pennylane wrote:I was watching a New Zealand airport customs show yesterday, with busy specialist springer spaniels sniffing out various illegal vegetations and foods in peoples luggage. Suddenly doggie put her nose in the air, turned about face, and darted off across the airport with the handler running breathlessly behind. Turned out there was a teeny, weeny little (banned) spider crawling along the floor that the clever doggie had picked up a whiff off. The dog alerted by standing above it and barking once in the air.

Customs said that the spider had probably hitched a ride on someone's clothes, luggage or shoes. That fantastic dog picked up the scent from clear across the airport! Poor little spider had to be euthanised.... but how amazing is that!

Was that the programme where a lovely Spaniel also started going nuts around a guy who claimed to have smoked a joint the day before?

Yes that's the one Anna. That lad had an empty cocaine packet in his back jean pocket and two banned amphetamine pills in his bag. Even when the customs woman had taken the contraband off him, the Spaniel still went back over and had another bark at his empty back pocket. It was so cool to see how smart those dogs are.

They are quick too. I got searched at LA...I'd hardly stepped in the room before this dog came smelling round my bag and wagging it's tail...what had I had in there....a banana. It was a fruit detecting dog. One of my sons had eaten the banana on the flight out!

Wow, clever dogs! Must have been a bit unnerving for you though.

Well, the dog was ok...it was a cute little Spaniel....it was the handler...she was more the Rotweiler type, I'm sure she was convinced we were hiding the banana

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Post  Fern on Fri 13 Jul - 21:55

Iris wrote:And the supposed "coconut" had traces on collagen in it. Must have been a very unusual coconut.

You're not far off the mark there Iris.

In the Operation Haven report conducted by Wiltshire police, the sample was described as this:

"It further covers that the sample [Exhibit JAR/6] behaved oddly and that the material is either not collagen or very badly degraded."


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Post  fuzeta on Fri 13 Jul - 23:30

Angelina wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Angelina wrote:
pennylane wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:

Was that the programme where a lovely Spaniel also started going nuts around a guy who claimed to have smoked a joint the day before?

Yes that's the one Anna. That lad had an empty cocaine packet in his back jean pocket and two banned amphetamine pills in his bag. Even when the customs woman had taken the contraband off him, the Spaniel still went back over and had another bark at his empty back pocket. It was so cool to see how smart those dogs are.

They are quick too. I got searched at LA...I'd hardly stepped in the room before this dog came smelling round my bag and wagging it's tail...what had I had in there....a banana. It was a fruit detecting dog. One of my sons had eaten the banana on the flight out!

Wow, clever dogs! Must have been a bit unnerving for you though.

Well, the dog was ok...it was a cute little Spaniel....it was the handler...she was more the Rotweiler type, I'm sure she was convinced we were hiding the banana

Hello Angelina. Had much the same experience ourselves at LA airport. Not with the sniffer dogs but with the rottweiler staff. Thought we had committed some terribl e crime and were about to be arrested. I think it was when the rottweiller at the passport desk asked me something and in order to look at what she was pointing to I put one foot over the line. Thought I was going to be wrestled to the floor with growls of " back up back up"

Also when we got off the plane and we were walking along a corridor another rottweiler kept shouting " back up back up"
Not a good welcome to the good old USA. Plus we did not understand the language having never been told to back up before , not on foot anyway. No hurry to go back it was a sign of things to come, should have left then


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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 14 Jul - 1:20

London 2012: Wolves FC used for sniffer dog training



Honey has been training to search for "potential explosive devices" during the 2012 Games

Sniffer dogs from West Midlands Police have been in specialist stadium training ahead of the Olympic Games.

Honey, along with three other specialist explosives sniffer dogs, has been training at Wolverhampton Wanderers' football ground.

The four dogs will be doing security checks in the City of Coventry Stadium during Olympic football matches.

Police said the training at Molineux Stadium was to prepare the dogs for "any eventuality".

"Over the last six months we've been training at high-profile venues to make sure our dogs are familiar with searching stadium environments," said dog training instructor PC Wayne Mellings.

Although the training was mainly based around searching for "potential explosive devices", the dogs are also trained to search for drugs, he added.

There are 20 dogs being used during the Olympics by West Midlands Police, with Honey amongst those prepared for stadium specific searches.

The City of Coventry Stadium will host 12 Olympic football matches, starting on 25 July with Japan's women's team due to take on their Canadian rivals.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-18789200

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