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Post  Guest on Sun 8 Jul - 9:46

Latin?

Pfft.

What was wrong with Ancient Hebrew?

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Post  Panda on Sun 8 Jul - 9:51

Not Born Yesterday wrote:It was "come on mother's washing day" when I was a child! It just meant don't rain today and spoil my fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_Rain_Go_Away

I love the sound of a scarecrow festival, it must be very hard to tell the difference sometimes between scarecrows and their owners.

Thanks NBY, I knew what it meant but thought it cruel to suggest the washing wouldn't dry. If I was standing next to a Scarecrow you could tell the difference.......I must stop eating chocolate!!

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Post  Panda on Sun 8 Jul - 9:56

The End Is Nigh wrote:Latin?

Pfft.

What was wrong with Ancient Hebrew?

Morning TIEN, it"s quite amazing the sayings that go back Centuries.... "Ring a ring a Rosie, a pocketful of tosie, atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down"
goes back to the time of the Plague.

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Post  pennylane on Sun 8 Jul - 10:11

Panda wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:Latin?

Pfft.

What was wrong with Ancient Hebrew?

Morning TIEN, it"s quite amazing the sayings that go back Centuries.... "Ring a ring a Rosie, a pocketful of tosie, atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down"
goes back to the time of the Plague.

Ooof, I thought it was 'ring around the rosie, a pocket full of posie....'

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Post  malena stool on Sun 8 Jul - 10:17

The End Is Nigh wrote:Latin?

Pfft.

What was wrong with Ancient Hebrew?
Come on, be fair... I'm not that old.

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Post  Panda on Sun 8 Jul - 10:30

pennylane wrote:
Panda wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:Latin?

Pfft.

What was wrong with Ancient Hebrew?

Morning TIEN, it"s quite amazing the sayings that go back Centuries.... "Ring a ring a Rosie, a pocketful of tosie, atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down"
goes back to the time of the Plague.

Ooof, I thought it was 'ring around the rosie, a pocket full of posie....'

Morning pennylane, "tosie", "posie" still wouldn't enlighten us, until now we know the origin ....I'll check out wikipedia

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Post  pennylane on Sun 8 Jul - 10:35

Panda wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Panda wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:Latin?

Pfft.

What was wrong with Ancient Hebrew?

Morning TIEN, it"s quite amazing the sayings that go back Centuries.... "Ring a ring a Rosie, a pocketful of tosie, atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down"
goes back to the time of the Plague.

Ooof, I thought it was 'ring around the rosie, a pocket full of posie....'

Morning pennylane, "tosie", "posie" still wouldn't enlighten us, until now we know the origin ....I'll check out wikipedia

OMG PANDA!!!!!




"Over the years, we have sung the words to a children's song without ever knowing what it meant. Many people are very surprised when they find out how dark and depressing, "Ring Around the Rosie," actually is. These people cannot believe that the song is actually about the Bubonic Plague.

If the song is broken down into comments and lines, it is easier to see how dark and depressing the song actually is.

Ring Around the Rosie

When a person contracted the Bubonic Plague, they would gain rose-colored, puss-filled sores on their body called rosies. As the infection spread, rings would wind around the rosies. "Ring around the rosie," refers to these rings.

Pocket Full of Posies

During the time of the Bubonic Plague, people realized that it was harmful to go around the body of someone who had died from the plague. The common practice in some areas of Europe was to fill the shirt or jacket pocket of the deceased with posies so that others would know to leave the body alone.

"Pocket full of posies," was what would soon happen after the person started getting the rings around the rosie. Once the rings started to form, the undertaker would be called to prepare the posies.

Ashes Ashes

Once the body of the person who had died from the plague had been taken away, it would be burned. This is essentially when cremation started as a form of burial.

There was a lot of worry that extra handling of the body could cause people to get sick. There was also worry by some that the body would come back in the form of a vampire or some other type of the walking dead. Burning the body was the only true option they had.

We All Fall Down

It was believed by many that eventually that Bubonic Plague would wipe out all of civilization. It is understandable why they had this belief because of the number of people that were dying everyday from the Plague.

The Black Death killed off an estimated 20-35% of the population of Eurasia during its historic run. It was nearly impossible for anyone to not know at least one person who died from the Plague at the time.

This nursery rime has been with us for centuries, and will probably be sung for centuries more. It is interesting about how many people have sung this song without knowing what it meant."

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Re: A Professional Liar........Clarence Mitchell

Post  Panda on Sun 8 Jul - 10:56

pennylane wrote:
Panda wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Panda wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:Latin?

Pfft.

What was wrong with Ancient Hebrew?

Morning TIEN, it"s quite amazing the sayings that go back Centuries.... "Ring a ring a Rosie, a pocketful of tosie, atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down"
goes back to the time of the Plague.

Ooof, I thought it was 'ring around the rosie, a pocket full of posie....'

Morning pennylane, "tosie", "posie" still wouldn't enlighten us, until now we know the origin ....I'll check out wikipedia

OMG PANDA!!!!!




"Over the years, we have sung the words to a children's song without ever knowing what it meant. Many people are very surprised when they find out how dark and depressing, "Ring Around the Rosie," actually is. These people cannot believe that the song is actually about the Bubonic Plague.

If the song is broken down into comments and lines, it is easier to see how dark and depressing the song actually is.

Ring Around the Rosie

When a person contracted the Bubonic Plague, they would gain rose-colored, puss-filled sores on their body called rosies. As the infection spread, rings would wind around the rosies. "Ring around the rosie," refers to these rings.

Pocket Full of Posies

During the time of the Bubonic Plague, people realized that it was harmful to go around the body of someone who had died from the plague. The common practice in some areas of Europe was to fill the shirt or jacket pocket of the deceased with posies so that others would know to leave the body alone.

"Pocket full of posies," was what would soon happen after the person started getting the rings around the rosie. Once the rings started to form, the undertaker would be called to prepare the posies.

Ashes Ashes

Once the body of the person who had died from the plague had been taken away, it would be burned. This is essentially when cremation started as a form of burial.

There was a lot of worry that extra handling of the body could cause people to get sick. There was also worry by some that the body would come back in the form of a vampire or some other type of the walking dead. Burning the body was the only true option they had.

We All Fall Down

It was believed by many that eventually that Bubonic Plague would wipe out all of civilization. It is understandable why they had this belief because of the number of people that were dying everyday from the Plague.

The Black Death killed off an estimated 20-35% of the population of Eurasia during its historic run. It was nearly impossible for anyone to not know at least one person who died from the Plague at the time.

This nursery rime has been with us for centuries, and will probably be sung for centuries more. It is interesting about how many people have sung this song without knowing what it meant."

Published by L. Vincent Poupard - Featured Contributor in Arts & Entertainment and Travel



Hi pennylane, I was searching same time as you...


AKA as Ring a ring o' rosies

Ring around the rosy
A pocketful of posies
"Ashes, Ashes"
We all fall down!
Ring-a-Ring o'Rosies
A Pocket full of Posies
"A-tishoo! A-tishoo!"
We all fall Down!

Ring around the rosy
AKA as Ring a ring o' rosies

You were right it is 'posies'.

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Post  pennylane on Sun 8 Jul - 11:16

We were blissfully ignorant in the old days, Panda.

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Post  Panda on Sun 8 Jul - 11:36

pennylane wrote:We were blissfully ignorant in the old days, Panda.

It's very interesting , there were rhymes about Kings and Queens and I don't mean Old King Cole these were more critical . All the more amazing because these were ordinary people who lived in poverty and squalor and could not read or write.!!!

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Post  Guest on Sun 8 Jul - 12:11

And don't even think about "Puff The Magic Dragon"




Ooooh, the colours, man!

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 8 Jul - 12:19

Sorry Clarence - we seem to have forgotten all about you.

I've only realised recently that Puff the Magic Dragon isn't the innocent song that it was to me as a child. I've also heard that MacArthur Park has more meaning that what I thought was a p*ss take on over-dramatic ballads but, unless it's drug-related - rather obvious for the 60s - I don't know what it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHx0B90FUc

In memory of all the cakes left out in the rain!


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Post  Bobsy on Sun 8 Jul - 12:26

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Sorry Clarence - we seem to have forgotten all about you.

I've only realised recently that Puff the Magic Dragon isn't the innocent song that it was to me as a child. I've also heard that MacArthur Park has more meaning that what I was thought was a p*ss take on over-dramatic ballads but, unless it's drug-related - rather obvious for the 60s - I don't know what it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHx0B90FUc

In memory of all the cakes left out in the rain!

Good heavens that has brought back some very happy memories of early marriage, and babies and knowing the song word for word and singing whilst I hung the nappies out.

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Post  Panda on Sun 8 Jul - 12:32



I had never heard of it....played it and there were some quite disparaging comments and different interpretations of the meaning of the words.

I suppose you two knew what "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" was all about......my Son had to explain to me.

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Post  Bobsy on Sun 8 Jul - 12:41

Panda wrote:

I had never heard of it....played it and there were some quite disparaging comments and different interpretations of the meaning of the words.

I suppose you two knew what "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" was all about......my Son had to explain to me.

Actually Panda I didn't know the reference to drugs I just loved the music of the cake out in the rain. And Lucy in the sky, the music that is, didn't appeal to me, but Richard Harris's rendition did, well I was nowt but a lass and still wearing those glasses with the rose tint

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Post  malena stool on Sun 8 Jul - 12:46

It brought back memories for me also... I still find it hard to believe Richard Harris has such a fine singing voice.

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Hippy dippy times

Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 8 Jul - 12:48

John Lennon (or it might have been Paul McCartney) claimed that the song was inspired by a drawing John's son had done of a little friend called Lucy and that's more credible than some of the other things on this forum!

Yes, almost certainly it was about the drug LSD. It was on the Sergeant Pepper album and it would be quicker to say which of the songs there were not about drugs than those that were.

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Post  Panda on Sun 8 Jul - 13:03

Not Born Yesterday wrote:John Lennon (or it might have been Paul McCartney) claimed that the song was inspired by a drawing John's son had done of a little friend called Lucy and that's more credible than some of the other things on this forum!

Yes, almost certainly it was about the drug LSD. It was on the Sergeant Pepper album and it would be quicker to say which of the songs there were not about drugs than those that were.

I tried a "spliff" a couple of times, got the giggles and worried I would get addicted. Off to watch the Tennis now , catch up later.




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