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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 23 Jul - 18:12

I did know about the first family but it's true that there isn't much said about then. Elizabeth died in 1992 when she was 22. I think it's more likely that the other two didn't live permanently with the Ramseys but only visited them.

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Post  wjk on Mon 23 Jul - 18:13

Not Born Yesterday wrote:I did know about the first family but it's true that there isn't much said about then. Elizabeth died in 1992 when she was 22. I think it's more likely that the other two didn't live permanently with the Ramseys but only visited them.
Yes, it sounds like they lived with their mum.

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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Mon 23 Jul - 19:47

If the McCanns have been protected by both Governments and the PT Governement, why have we had this 5.5year charade, its been non stop from the McCanns demanding from the Government, help and requesting a review plus Scot Yard spending £3.5m on this review.......

No if the McCanns were so highly protected we would not have had any of the above, the McCanns would have been happy with their massive fund and their newly protected lives, and the rest would be history!

For some reason the McCanns can't let go, they have to be in the public eye constantly saying they are innocent!! begging for even more money, they are scared.....WHY???? if your protected by your Government.

The McCanns have got this far by having a wealthy backer, tons of money and Carter Ruck at your beck and call....... this is how they have kept the wolf and the PJ from the door, but their money will run out soon, then that is when all their problems will really start.
aimho.

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Post  Loopdaloop on Mon 23 Jul - 23:13

The journalistic work of Dr Robert is of exceptional quality as always. I wish somehow I could commend him on this.
I just live in hope he reads the forms and realises how much his comment is appreciated.

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Post  Panda on Tue 24 Jul - 6:20



Yes Loopdeloop, I hope he realises how much his comments are appreciated and would love to know what is his profession .


"Reports surface that JonBenet's skull was fractured and the ransom note was written on paper obtained from a tablet in the Ramsey home. "

Read more: JonBenet Ramsey case timeline - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet/ci_4191077#ixzz21VuQHtQZ

How could an intruder break in to the Ramsey Home which must have been more like a Mansion, find Jonbenet, knock her out, carry her down to the Basement , sexually molest her, go back upstairs , find some writing paper and pen, write a ransom note, take it back downstairs lay it next to Jonbenet's lifeless body and calmly walk out of the house.!!!!

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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Tue 24 Jul - 8:29

I remember been on holiday in Florida when Jon Bennet died and was reading about it everyday and from my memory the ransome note was found in the kitchen and not with the body

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Tue 24 Jul - 8:41

Yes I agree that the ransom note was not with the body. The note was found several hours earlier on the kitchen staircase according to Wikipedia.

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Post  almostgothic on Tue 24 Jul - 8:51

If the Metropolitan Police should exercise the investigative option contained within their Operation Grange remit (as clearly they ought to), then we may be sure that the current government in Westminster is genuinely (and properly) distanced from the McCanns. If, on the other hand, they conclude their review with nothing more to show for it than a 'to do' list intended for the Portuguese, then we can be just as certain that the Coalition Government is continuing a policy toward the McCanns that was inaugurated by their predecessors, as whatever deals may have been struck with the Portuguese were struck before the Coalition took office.

The choice is yours, Met.
You can go ahead with your investigative remit and show the nation that their £3.5m tax funding was actually worth it by producing a nailed-on case for charges to be brought. You KNOW what you have to do to achieve that. And it HAS to be done, not least for the sake of your own credibility.

Or you can do the other thing and prove beyond doubt that you are a corrupt police force bending over for a group of corrupt politicians and their stinking deals.

If you choose (or have already chosen) the latter option, then you can no longer expect the co-operation and goodwill of the British public (whose money you have squandered) on any other matter.
And that also goes for the scoundrels you choose to serve.

And by the way, 'we were only obeying orders' is not an excuse.
What's it to be - dirty workers for the men in suits, or champions of a lost, dead child?

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Post  Bobsy on Tue 24 Jul - 9:03

almostgothic wrote:If the Metropolitan Police should exercise the investigative option contained within their Operation Grange remit (as clearly they ought to), then we may be sure that the current government in Westminster is genuinely (and properly) distanced from the McCanns. If, on the other hand, they conclude their review with nothing more to show for it than a 'to do' list intended for the Portuguese, then we can be just as certain that the Coalition Government is continuing a policy toward the McCanns that was inaugurated by their predecessors, as whatever deals may have been struck with the Portuguese were struck before the Coalition took office.

The choice is yours, Met.
You can go ahead with your investigative remit and show the nation that their £3.5m tax funding was actually worth it by producing a nailed-on case for charges to be brought. You KNOW what you have to do to achieve that. And it HAS to be done, not least for the sake of your own credibility.

Or you can do the other thing and prove beyond doubt that you are a corrupt police force bending over for a group of corrupt politicians and their stinking deals.

If you choose (or have already chosen) the latter option, then you can no longer expect the co-operation and goodwill of the British public (whose money you have squandered) on any other matter.
And that also goes for the scoundrels you choose to serve.

And by the way, 'we were only obeying orders' is not an excuse.
What's it to be - dirty workers for the men in suits, or champions of a lost, dead child?


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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Tue 24 Jul - 9:08

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Yes I agree that the ransom note was not with the body. The note was found several hours earlier on the kitchen staircase according to Wikipedia.

NBY well I remembered Kitchen but also stairs came to my mind......so you've answered that for me...thanks

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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Tue 24 Jul - 9:19

almostgothic wrote:If the Metropolitan Police should exercise the investigative option contained within their Operation Grange remit (as clearly they ought to), then we may be sure that the current government in Westminster is genuinely (and properly) distanced from the McCanns. If, on the other hand, they conclude their review with nothing more to show for it than a 'to do' list intended for the Portuguese, then we can be just as certain that the Coalition Government is continuing a policy toward the McCanns that was inaugurated by their predecessors, as whatever deals may have been struck with the Portuguese were struck before the Coalition took office.

The choice is yours, Met.
You can go ahead with your investigative remit and show the nation that their £3.5m tax funding was actually worth it by producing a nailed-on case for charges to be brought. You KNOW what you have to do to achieve that. And it HAS to be done, not least for the sake of your own credibility.

Or you can do the other thing and prove beyond doubt that you are a corrupt police force bending over for a group of corrupt politicians and their stinking deals.

If you choose (or have already chosen) the latter option, then you can no longer expect the co-operation and goodwill of the British public (whose money you have squandered) on any other matter.
And that also goes for the scoundrels you choose to serve.

And by the way, 'we were only obeying orders' is not an excuse.
What's it to be - dirty workers for the men in suits, or champions of a lost, dead child?



My hubby said to me the other day....Do you think that this Missing People Ambassador role has been left on the back burner ready to be rolled out in an emergency/ last resort?, what if the SY review isn't going the McCanns way and somehow Mitchell has found out, given the McCanns the nod to wheel the Ambassador (aw what a good girl our Kate is) job out, so if/when Kate and Gerry are arrested people will be up in arms, "an ambassador of a charity wouldn't do something so bad, how terrible for poor Kate and Gerry" bla bla

Remember Gerry's "confusion is good" and telling us about his wider agenda ......

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Post  marxman on Tue 24 Jul - 10:25

Lillyofthevalley wrote:
almostgothic wrote:If the Metropolitan Police should exercise the investigative option contained within their Operation Grange remit (as clearly they ought to), then we may be sure that the current government in Westminster is genuinely (and properly) distanced from the McCanns. If, on the other hand, they conclude their review with nothing more to show for it than a 'to do' list intended for the Portuguese, then we can be just as certain that the Coalition Government is continuing a policy toward the McCanns that was inaugurated by their predecessors, as whatever deals may have been struck with the Portuguese were struck before the Coalition took office.

The choice is yours, Met.
You can go ahead with your investigative remit and show the nation that their £3.5m tax funding was actually worth it by producing a nailed-on case for charges to be brought. You KNOW what you have to do to achieve that. And it HAS to be done, not least for the sake of your own credibility.

Or you can do the other thing and prove beyond doubt that you are a corrupt police force bending over for a group of corrupt politicians and their stinking deals.

If you choose (or have already chosen) the latter option, then you can no longer expect the co-operation and goodwill of the British public (whose money you have squandered) on any other matter.
And that also goes for the scoundrels you choose to serve.

And by the way, 'we were only obeying orders' is not an excuse.
What's it to be - dirty workers for the men in suits, or champions of a lost, dead child?



My hubby said to me the other day....Do you think that this Missing People Ambassador role has been left on the back burner ready to be rolled out in an emergency/ last resort?, what if the SY review isn't going the McCanns way and somehow Mitchell has found out, given the McCanns the nod to wheel the Ambassador (aw what a good girl our Kate is) job out, so if/when Kate and Gerry are arrested people will be up in arms, "an ambassador of a charity wouldn't do something so bad, how terrible for poor Kate and Gerry" bla bla

Remember Gerry's "confusion is good" and telling us about his wider agenda ......

Yes, it appears that this ambassador role
is resembling a 'shield', it will no doubt
offer limited protection, but I think as more
people question and examine this position
it will not provide adaquate cover when the
proverbial hits the fan.

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Post  ELI on Tue 24 Jul - 13:15

[quote="almostgothic"]If the Metropolitan Police should exercise the investigative option contained within their Operation Grange remit (as clearly they ought to), then we may be sure that the current government in Westminster is genuinely (and properly) distanced from the McCanns. If, on the other hand, they conclude their review with nothing more to show for it than a 'to do' list intended for the Portuguese, then we can be just as certain that the Coalition Government is continuing a policy toward the McCanns that was inaugurated by their predecessors, as whatever deals may have been struck with the Portuguese were struck before the Coalition took office.

The choice is yours, Met.
]

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The investigation could not determine what crime was committed or by whom.

So what does this really mean in terms of putting an end to any doubts or questions?

Well it doesn’t, in fact all it does is prove without a shadow of doubt that there is ‘no end’ and that the evidence was not convincing enough to pursue any suspected perpetrators of this crime. – It does not by any stretch of imagination mean there is no evidence, - there’s 1000’s of pages of it in the Police files. .

If someone or something has definitely been excluded from an investigation then it puts an end to it, the same principal applies to an inclusion. However if an investigation is unable to discover whether or not someone or something should be considered included or excluded from an investigation, does that completely rule them out? - I guess it does if your name’s Clarence Spinner, then it exonerates them …… but not in the real world !

‘ Inconclusive ‘ is a term that refers to a conclusion that is reached due to the inability to include or exclude evidence, therefore the question that has to be asked of SY is, have you ruled out the McCann’s and there friends as suspects simply because the Portuguese investigation proved inconclusive?

Very Poor Police work if that is the case!

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Post  wjk on Tue 24 Jul - 13:49

[quote="ELI"]
almostgothic wrote:If the Metropolitan Police should exercise the investigative option contained within their Operation Grange remit (as clearly they ought to), then we may be sure that the current government in Westminster is genuinely (and properly) distanced from the McCanns. If, on the other hand, they conclude their review with nothing more to show for it than a 'to do' list intended for the Portuguese, then we can be just as certain that the Coalition Government is continuing a policy toward the McCanns that was inaugurated by their predecessors, as whatever deals may have been struck with the Portuguese were struck before the Coalition took office.

The choice is yours, Met.
]

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The investigation could not determine what crime was committed or by whom.

So what does this really mean in terms of putting an end to any doubts or questions?

Well it doesn’t, in fact all it does is prove without a shadow of doubt that there is ‘no end’ and that the evidence was not convincing enough to pursue any suspected perpetrators of this crime. – It does not by any stretch of imagination mean there is no evidence, - there’s 1000’s of pages of it in the Police files. .

If someone or something has definitely been excluded from an investigation then it puts an end to it, the same principal applies to an inclusion. However if an investigation is unable to discover whether or not someone or something should be considered included or excluded from an investigation, does that completely rule them out? - I guess it does if your name’s Clarence Spinner, then it exonerates them …… but not in the real world !

‘ Inconclusive ‘ is a term that refers to a conclusion that is reached due to the inability to include or exclude evidence, therefore the question that has to be asked of SY is, have you ruled out the McCann’s and there friends as suspects simply because the Portuguese investigation proved inconclusive?

Very Poor Police work if that is the case!


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as above

Post  halfamo on Tue 24 Jul - 16:01

almostgothic wrote:So if the portents of doom are correct, £3.5 million of British taxpayers' money (OUR money) has been blown - and nothing to show for it except a shrug of the shoulders and a cry of 'nothing can be done'.
What about the Porto PJ review? Is that also going to be a waste of Portuguese taxpayers' money?

If Cameron knew from the outset that politics and reputation-saving on both sides would deny justice, then he is a b*st*rd of the first water.
Were there ever two countries more reluctant than these to set about solving the mystery of a missing child?
I'm gutted too, if this is the result.
I'm also boiling with rage at the bare-faced lies and the stinking hypocrisy.

This review was ordered by Cameron to make him look like he cares .... he does'nt he was a PR man so he knows which buttons to press .The whole thing was and is a waste of taxpayers money .This case belongs to Portugal and they and only they can move this forward , and without fresh evidence it aint going to happen.The Mcs if they wanted could have moved this on by going over there with the rest of the motley crew and taken part in a police reconstrution .For whatever reasons they chose not to.There are many many missing children who need to be found and all this money has been wasted on a so called review which was a farce.

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Agreed, halfamo...

Post  comperedna on Tue 24 Jul - 16:28

unless the SY review (or any further investigation to follow on from it) is for rea,l and not a 'going through the motions', it is a horrendous waste of public money. Why this missing child only?

Cameron is no fool. He can read and think as well as the best of us. He has three young children of his own. Despite his PR background, he is not without gumption! Maybe he thought the Met would come up with something. Nevertheless, it is still a very odd use of funds in such straightened economic times. I guess he was bounced into it.

You are right it is Portugal's business to do any further investigation, but the PJ think they have taken it it as far as they can, and the evidence (meaning evidence that will convince a court, not that they have no ideas as to what really happened) does not support more work from them. Of course if there is new input... like an offer to take part in a reconstruction (probably too late I fear, by now) or a confession, or the sad discovery of a child's remains, we will all be stuck in limbo, and KM and GM will continue to ponce about the world as grotesque plaster saints.

All very downbeat, innit!

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as above

Post  halfamo on Tue 24 Jul - 16:40

comperedna wrote:unless the SY review (or any further investigation to follow on from it) is for rea,l and not a 'going through the motions', it is a horrendous waste of public money. Why this missing child only?

Cameron is no fool. He can read and think as well as the best of us. He has three young children of his own. Despite his PR background, he is not without gumption! Maybe he thought the Met would come up with something. Nevertheless, it is still a very odd use of funds in such straightened economic times. I guess he was bounced into it.

You are right it is Portugal's business to do any further investigation, but the PJ think they have taken it it as far as they can, and the evidence (meaning evidence that will convince a court, not that they have no ideas as to what really happened) does not support more work from them. Of course if there is new input... like an offer to take part in a reconstruction (probably too late I fear, by now) or a confession, or the sad discovery of a child's remains, we will all be stuck in limbo, and KM and GM will continue to ponce about the world as grotesque plaster saints.

All very downbeat, innit!

Hi got to agree its not looking good .

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Post  ProfessorPlum on Tue 24 Jul - 18:35

No her bedroom was on a different floor.

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