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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 8 Sep - 21:34

malena stool wrote:The delay will also be affecting the McCanns... They will have no idea why there has been a postponement... Is Amaral preparing new evidence? Are new witnesses coming forward? Have they made some glaring mistake which is about to be exposed? All these things and more could be going through their minds and they will have to psych themselves up for the new date.

Has Pat Brown found a publisher for the book she is co-authoring with Amaral?

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Panda on Sat 8 Sep - 21:35

Well AnnaEsse, I gave up smoking 7 years ago and every winter suffer with Bronchitis , which I never had before!!!!!

I take Amoxycillin and it is only a 5 day supply and works. Anyway, I suggest we agree to differ on this, I am very

suspicious and cannot believe that Pinto, Chairman of Lawyers is their first witness.Maybe McCannfiles has a record of his role in the investigation and his Statement.....don't ask me to find it.LOL

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Oldartform on Sat 8 Sep - 21:38

From what I`ve read about the corruption going on in Portugal, maybe he`s been got at, threatened maybe. Don`t think it`s fair to say he`s being cowardly poor bloke.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Oldartform on Sat 8 Sep - 21:44

AnnaEsse wrote:
malena stool wrote:The delay will also be affecting the McCanns... They will have no idea why there has been a postponement... Is Amaral preparing new evidence? Are new witnesses coming forward? Have they made some glaring mistake which is about to be exposed? All these things and more could be going through their minds and they will have to psych themselves up for the new date.

Has Pat Brown found a publisher for the book she is co-authoring with Amaral?

According to thread with her Update 8/9 - she is looking for one with balls.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Panda on Sat 8 Sep - 21:44

Oldartform wrote:I`m in fits `ere

Settle down OAF

Panda - even if he could be on the way to recovery in 5 days time, he would probably still be somewhat below par - and one needs to be on top form for this case.


I'm just very suspicious especially about Pinto , Amaral too is suspect, he twice made excuses not to attend the Correia case and he would be pleased the case has finally come to Trial and would do all he could to ensure there was no delay which is more grist for the McCanns.This will be spread across the U.K Press, "Amaral's Lawyer delays Trial". etc etc

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  malena stool on Sat 8 Sep - 21:47

AnnaEsse wrote:
malena stool wrote:The delay will also be affecting the McCanns... They will have no idea why there has been a postponement... Is Amaral preparing new evidence? Are new witnesses coming forward? Have they made some glaring mistake which is about to be exposed? All these things and more could be going through their minds and they will have to psych themselves up for the new date.

Has Pat Brown found a publisher for the book she is co-authoring with Amaral?

This is the latest I'm able to find Anna...
http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/

ProfilerPatB @DodgyDrPayne Not yet. We have to find a publisher who isn't afraid of Carter Ruck.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 8 Sep - 21:59

malena stool wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
malena stool wrote:The delay will also be affecting the McCanns... They will have no idea why there has been a postponement... Is Amaral preparing new evidence? Are new witnesses coming forward? Have they made some glaring mistake which is about to be exposed? All these things and more could be going through their minds and they will have to psych themselves up for the new date.

Has Pat Brown found a publisher for the book she is co-authoring with Amaral?

This is the latest I'm able to find Anna...
http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/

ProfilerPatB @DodgyDrPayne Not yet. We have to find a publisher who isn't afraid of Carter Ruck.

Thanks malena.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Oldartform on Sat 8 Sep - 22:05

Panda wrote:
Oldartform wrote:I`m in fits `ere

Settle down OAF

Panda - even if he could be on the way to recovery in 5 days time, he would probably still be somewhat below par - and one needs to be on top form for this case.


I'm just very suspicious especially about Pinto , Amaral too is suspect, he twice made excuses not to attend the Correia case and he would be pleased the case has finally come to Trial and would do all he could to ensure there was no delay which is more grist for the McCanns.This will be spread across the U.K Press, "Amaral's Lawyer delays Trial". etc etc

Yes, we`re all suspicious about Pinto, I reckon nearly the whole of Portugal is, he`s a bully. How he came to be Head of the Bar is suspicious in itself. I wouldn`t be suspicious about Goncalo - I`m sure he knows what he`s doing. My only worry is that its not him that`s ill.


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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Panda on Sat 8 Sep - 22:28

Oldartform wrote:
Panda wrote:
Oldartform wrote:I`m in fits `ere

Settle down OAF

Panda - even if he could be on the way to recovery in 5 days time, he would probably still be somewhat below par - and one needs to be on top form for this case.


I'm just very suspicious especially about Pinto , Amaral too is suspect, he twice made excuses not to attend the Correia case and he would be pleased the case has finally come to Trial and would do all he could to ensure there was no delay which is more grist for the McCanns.This will be spread across the U.K Press, "Amaral's Lawyer delays Trial". etc etc

Yes, we`re all suspicious about Pinto, I reckon nearly the whole of Portugal is, he`s a bully. How he came to be Head of the Bar is suspicious in itself. I wouldn`t be suspicious about Goncalo - I`m sure he knows what he`s doing. My only worry is that its not him that`s ill.


There's a thread on here now with a photo and he looks to have lost a lot of weight. The very first Forum I joined, new to using a Computer and still as illiterate about anything technical as I am now , was Anorak. I really enjoyed it until a new Administrator , an existing Member, was on the Team. Because the Forum was U.K. she was paranoid about sourcing info and because I kept forgetting or could'nt find the source my posts were always being put in moderation. I got fed up and left, but so did several others. Anyway, after all that, one of the Members had a Portugese Brother-in-Law who told him the legal system in Portugese was very corrupt and the Police failed to take control of the McCann case from the very beginning.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Claudia79 on Sat 8 Sep - 23:47

All this because of a delay? Sorry to disappoint but it happens everyday here. Some cases have been delayed many many times for different reasons. I advise posters to get used to it because I would be surprised if it didn't happen again (from both sides or even from the judges!). And let's not even get into appeals...

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  mariang on Sun 9 Sep - 4:19

AnnaEsse wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:Yes indeed.

The wheels of Justice can grind extremely slowly.

But in by far and away the vast majority of Cases, the result is the right one.

Eventually!

Very slowly! We were told not to leave the building in case we were called. So, we sat there, drinking cups of tea and reading for two whole feckin' weeks!

I too did jury duty many many years ago at the tender age of 18!! I also spent most of the time sat around along with many others....... Most of the time, folks up on charges pleaded guilty just before going into court.I did get a case towards the back end of the two weeks.I also believe that they ask for more jurors than they need!

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  weissnicht on Sun 9 Sep - 6:13

Panda wrote:
Oldartform wrote:
Panda wrote:
Oldartform wrote:I`m in fits `ere

Settle down OAF

Panda - even if he could be on the way to recovery in 5 days time, he would probably still be somewhat below par - and one needs to be on top form for this case.


I'm just very suspicious especially about Pinto , Amaral too is suspect, he twice made excuses not to attend the Correia case and he would be pleased the case has finally come to Trial and would do all he could to ensure there was no delay which is more grist for the McCanns.This will be spread across the U.K Press, "Amaral's Lawyer delays Trial". etc etc

Yes, we`re all suspicious about Pinto, I reckon nearly the whole of Portugal is, he`s a bully. How he came to be Head of the Bar is suspicious in itself. I wouldn`t be suspicious about Goncalo - I`m sure he knows what he`s doing. My only worry is that its not him that`s ill.


There's a thread on here now with a photo and he looks to have lost a lot of weight. The very first Forum I joined, new to using a Computer and still as illiterate about anything technical as I am now , was Anorak. I really enjoyed it until a new Administrator , an existing Member, was on the Team. Because the Forum was U.K. she was paranoid about sourcing info and because I kept forgetting or could'nt find the source my posts were always being put in moderation. I got fed up and left, but so did several others. Anyway, after all that, one of the Members had a Portugese Brother-in-Law who told him the legal system in Portugese was very corrupt and the Police failed to take control of the McCann case from the very beginning.
When I go to the Pub, there are always local people, who think the system in their country is corrupt. It can be true, it maid not be true. Or little of both. If that Portuguese Brother-in-law is not expert, we should maybe not take it as gospel.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Panda on Sun 9 Sep - 7:24

weissnicht there are bent coppers in most Countries, including The Metropolitan Police ....the pride of Britain , but I do

believe investigation of this case was flawed from the very beginning and the Portugese Police too overawed. I also think the McCanns have been treated like Royalty instead of potential suspects . They and their PR Mitchell have managed to become very rich and squeaky clean for the past 5 years so unless Madeleine's body is found there is nothing to suggest the truth will emerge as to what really happened on the night of 3rd May 2007.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Chris on Sun 9 Sep - 8:15

Panda wrote:
Ah but Oldartform , those illnesses do not affect you 5 days before you are to appear in Court , most can be treated with antibiotics which generally relieve the symptoms by 13th. If a full recovery wasn't expected there would not be a new Trial date in one week. He hasn't been Amaral's Lawyer for long so maybe facing Isobel Duarte AND the McCanns was just too much and he's had an attack of cowardice.


Illness doesn't necessarily have to be operative on a particular day or be cleared up by a subsequent date. This is a trial requiring preparation. Maybe the lawyer was ill hindering that preparation necessitating a slight delay to allow adequate time. Having had a full trial delayed for four years by the to-ing and fro-ing on the injunction another week is neither here or there.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Panda on Sun 9 Sep - 8:42

Chris wrote:
Panda wrote:
Ah but Oldartform , those illnesses do not affect you 5 days before you are to appear in Court , most can be treated with antibiotics which generally relieve the symptoms by 13th. If a full recovery wasn't expected there would not be a new Trial date in one week. He hasn't been Amaral's Lawyer for long so maybe facing Isobel Duarte AND the McCanns was just too much and he's had an attack of cowardice.


Illness doesn't necessarily have to be operative on a particular day or be cleared up by a subsequent date. This is a trial requiring preparation. Maybe the lawyer was ill hindering that preparation necessitating a slight delay to allow adequate time. Having had a full trial delayed for four years by the to-ing and fro-ing on the injunction another week is neither here or there.

Sorry but it is too questionable. as you say, it has taken over two years for this case to come to Court , the Portugese must have a great deal of crime to deal with that a civil case has taken so long to fix a date. At the last minute the

Defence Lawyer is taken ill with no comment about what ails him, but a new date takes only one week??? Now we hear the first Witness for the Prosecution is Pinto, Chairman of Lawyers, and the McCanns apparently will not be there to answer any questions, it's a farce.

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Post  Guest on Sun 9 Sep - 8:49

Farce or not, it's pretty much characteristic of the way Justice systems work in the Western World.

In any event, this Hearing is not likely to be the end of the matter, but merely a milestone.

A simple logistics exercise in scheduling Court time is not the same as providing Appellant & Respondent sufficient time to prepare their Cases - that's the lengthy element and (presumably) is complete.

I fail to see why we must be told confidential medical details about an individual - he has to satisfy the Court, not us.

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Post  malena stool on Sun 9 Sep - 9:15

Panda wrote:
Chris wrote:
Panda wrote:
Ah but Oldartform , those illnesses do not affect you 5 days before you are to appear in Court , most can be treated with antibiotics which generally relieve the symptoms by 13th. If a full recovery wasn't expected there would not be a new Trial date in one week. He hasn't been Amaral's Lawyer for long so maybe facing Isobel Duarte AND the McCanns was just too much and he's had an attack of cowardice.


Illness doesn't necessarily have to be operative on a particular day or be cleared up by a subsequent date. This is a trial requiring preparation. Maybe the lawyer was ill hindering that preparation necessitating a slight delay to allow adequate time. Having had a full trial delayed for four years by the to-ing and fro-ing on the injunction another week is neither here or there.

Sorry but it is too questionable. as you say, it has taken over two years for this case to come to Court , the Portugese must have a great deal of crime to deal with that a civil case has taken so long to fix a date. At the last minute the

Defence Lawyer is taken ill with no comment about what ails him, but a new date takes only one week??? Now we hear the first Witness for the Prosecution is Pinto, Chairman of Lawyers, and the McCanns apparently will not be there to answer any questions, it's a farce.
I'm in total agreement Panda. If the obnoxious pair can find the nerve to direct the funds donated to find their child towards persecuting and belittling the man, the people and the nation who searched for the daughter, they abandoned, then they should have the spine to stand up in court and challenge him eye to eye. Either that or withdraw their obscene charge.

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Panda on Sun 9 Sep - 9:38

The End Is Nigh wrote:Farce or not, it's pretty much characteristic of the way Justice systems work in the Western World.

In any event, this Hearing is not likely to be the end of the matter, but merely a milestone.

A simple logistics exercise in scheduling Court time is not the same as providing Appellant & Respondent sufficient time to prepare their Cases - that's the lengthy element and (presumably) is complete.

I fail to see why we must be told confidential medical details about an individual - he has to satisfy the Court, not us.Mor

Morning Tien,

"I fail to see why we must be told confidential medical details about an individual - he has to satisfy the Court, not us.[/quote]

I have not suggested that they should but strongly question the Chairman of Portugese Lawyers being a Witness for the

McCanns ......he should show impartiality by not being Witness for either Party. If this is not the end of the matter , what on earth comes after this? If Amaral loses the McCanns will be E1.2 million better off and if they have any sense will lead a normal life and consider the Twins. If Amaral wins, then suspicion falls on the McCanns and they will get a bad Press.

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Post  Guest on Sun 9 Sep - 9:42

I'm sure the Pinto issue is one that Amaral's Lawyer is aware of and has considered.

Witnesses are bound by an Oath, too.

Plus the Panel of Judges ("That's three yes's" ) are there to ensure that the rules are abided by.

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Post  Panda on Sun 9 Sep - 9:57

The End Is Nigh wrote:I'm sure the Pinto issue is one that Amaral's Lawyer is aware of and has considered.

Witnesses are bound by an Oath, too.

Plus the Panel of Judges ("That's three yes's" ) are there to ensure that the rules are abided by.

You obviously have more tolerance than me over this latest setback and the fact that the McCanns have yet again snubbed the Portugese Judicial system by not having the courtesy to attend the procedure. One of the Judges is there to aid the "Procecutors" so it would be in the McCanns interest to attend , particularly when they have a loose cannon of a Lawyer like Isobel Duarte. It is very unfortunate that Amaral has had to replace his Lawyer who will need a lot of time to trawlthrough all the evidence to prepare his case.

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Post  weissnicht on Sun 9 Sep - 10:07

"particularly when they have a loose cannon of a Lawyer like Isobel Duarte"

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Re: Libel case delay

Post  Panda on Sun 9 Sep - 10:25

weissnicht wrote:"particularly when they have a loose cannon of a Lawyer like Isobel Duarte"

Just what is going on here? Duarte was able to demand a file from the Portugese Police for the McCanns to copy, the books sequestered when the young Judge ordered the injunction were not returned for months when the injunction was lifted , now the protagonists do not even have the courtesy to attend the hearing.!!! weissnicht the whole scenario is quite disgraceful but I seem to be the only one who cares enough to have a moan about it.

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Post  cass on Sun 9 Sep - 10:31

what a birthday for me today 9th of september the mcanns started running the show and are still doing it -- feeling at the min that something has been arranged between portugal and the uk -- oh dear god hope im wrong

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Post  Guest on Sun 9 Sep - 10:35

Well yes: It isn't a setback, but merely a normal part of the way Justice works. Also, much as we don't like it, the Portuguese system does not actually require their attendance. Fortunately, Lawyers are there to present the facts and other evidence and only in rare cases does the superior intellect or experience of an individual manage to overcome the rules of evidence and fair play. Especially on TV. Most Hearings are straightforward, mundane and extremely tedious.

Personally, I'm perfectly happy for this to play out all in good time and according to procedure.

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Post  Panda on Sun 9 Sep - 11:03

cass wrote:what a birthday for me today 9th of september the mcanns started running the show and are still doing it -- feeling at the min that something has been arranged between portugal and the uk -- oh dear god hope im wrong

Oh cass, I share your pessimism and think the McCanns have been able to walk all over the Portugese procedures and cost the Country millions of Euros , the Leicester Police and SY have cost the Taxpayer over £3 million , but made sure they have kept their millions and used everybody else.



Never mind and don't get too

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