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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  margaret on Mon 17 Sep - 12:14

Did someone get nobbled....

.... or was he always in someones pay?

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 17 Sep - 13:04

The McCanns have in the past been "assisted" by psychics.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t7722-amanda-jayne-hart-diane-lazarus

They are willing to listen to people whom many others believe to be head cases so you'd think that they wouldn't dismiss Stephen Birch as not worth bothering with.

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Post  weissnicht on Mon 17 Sep - 13:05

kitti wrote:I see gurney is trolling on there too.
She is everywhere doing her best, that only she can..

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 17 Sep - 13:22

weissnicht wrote:
kitti wrote:I see gurney is trolling on there too.
She is everywhere doing her best, that only she can..

She's either Kate McCann or a nutter with nothing better to do, although those are not mutually exclusive!

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 17 Sep - 13:26

I think it is definite that she works for the NHS in the Exeter area so she isn't Kate!

I'm still trying to think of something suitable as an award for her services to the McCanns.....

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  margaret on Mon 17 Sep - 13:30

Not Born Yesterday wrote:I think it is definite that she works for the NHS in the Exeter area so she isn't Kate!

I'm still trying to think of something suitable as an award for her services to the McCanns.....

A golden spade for shit shovelling?

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  dazedandconfused on Mon 17 Sep - 13:32

margaret wrote:
Not Born Yesterday wrote:I think it is definite that she works for the NHS in the Exeter area so she isn't Kate!

I'm still trying to think of something suitable as an award for her services to the McCanns.....

A golden spade for shit shovelling?

Golden spade is too good, rusty spade, or wooden spoon full of splinters.

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  kathybelle on Mon 17 Sep - 15:57

There is something fishy about Stephen Birch's story and rightly or wrongly, I've already told him this is how I feel about his story, in the comments section of another You Tube video. I have asked him why he would spend £40k of his own money, on a scanner that may or may not reveal a body of a missing child. I pointed out that if there was a body underneath Mrs Murat's driveway, how can he be so sure it is Madeleine?

I also pointed out that while there is a disclaimer in his video, which states no one is accusing Robert Murat or his family, of abducting or burying Madeleine under the driveway, the very fact he trespassed onto Mrs Murat's property and went public with his story, says otherwise.

In my opinion and I've also pointed this out to Stephen Birch, the driveway of Mrs Murat's home would have been dug up by now, if his story had been believed. Madeleine's remains would have been removed and the case reopened.


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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  Lillyofthevalley on Mon 17 Sep - 19:28

Strange isn't it how the McCanns have done nothing about this nutter Birch, but they feel the need to go after Amaral and Bennet who only want the truth to come out, and what to know what actually happened to Maddy!!

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 17 Sep - 19:59

The answer to that I feel is that Messrs Amaral and Bennett have to be crushed because they uncovered a few too many things which incriminate the McCanns whereas Stephen Birch can safely be dismissed as a nutcase.

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  Annabel on Thu 20 Sep - 18:21

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/madeleine-mccann-update_n_1898023.html

Madeleine McCann May Be Buried Under Driveway; Authorities Seem Unwilling To Investigate


Posted: 09/20/2012 10:54 am Updated: 09/20/2012 11:00 am



The mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance may lie under a driveway just outside a holiday villa in Praia da Luz, the oceanside Portuguese resort town where the 3-year-old child was last seen in May 2007.

Stephen Birch, a South African real estate developer and self-styled investigator, says he has found what could be a burial site below the surface using a ground-penetrating radar.

Birch, who has invested $50,000 of his own money investigating the case, has asked Portugese authorities to excavate the area, and three experts contacted by HuffPost Crime agreed that this would be the appropriate action.

Nevertheless, Portuguese authorities refuse to act on the information.

The controversy began in June, when Birch first examined the driveway. The property is owned by the mother of a former suspect, Robert Murat.

"The scans indicate that the ground beneath the gravel driveway was disturbed and something lies buried underneath the driveway," Birch told The Huffington Post.

The location of the property is not far from the apartment where Madeline disappeared.

Madeline was 3 years old when she went on a trip from Britain to Portugal with her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. The couple was dining with friends at a nearby restaurant when the little girl vanished from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. There have been no solid leads in the case since that time.

Scotland Yard detectives and Portuguese police were provided with hard copies of Birch's radar scans. The agencies examined them and thus far have declined to probe or excavate the location.

The office of the Prime Minister of Portugal sent Birch a letter on Sept. 10, which included a response from Almeida Rodrigues, head of Portugal's judicial police. According to the letter, authorities examined the same location with a ground-penetrating radar device in 2007 and did not find any areas of interest.

"Therefore, we are of the opinion that this does not justify the realization of the desired diligence by the advocate," they wrote.

A similar statement was made by Murat in July, during an interview with the Algarve Resident.

"Every single part of the house, inside and out, was checked in 2007 by more than 20 police officers, who found absolutely nothing. They used ground-penetrating radar equipment, which was brought by a civil protection team, to search the grounds of the property and the area surrounding Casa Liliana," Murat said.

Speaking with the same newspaper, former police inspector Gonçalo Amaral described the 2007 searches as "thorough."

Birch contends that the location where his suspicious scan was taken was not searched properly. He claims it was covered with vegetation and debris from construction materials and it would have been impossible to conduct the scanning on the rubble.

"I am in possession of photographs taken on May 15, 2007, during the initial search of the Murat property, together with a photo taken five months later of the same yard. When comparing the two photos, one can clearly see a pile of building rubble with a wooden plank lying on top of it. Both photos show the same pile of rubble, in exactly the same condition, in the rear of the Murat yard, substantiating the claim that the Murat property was not searched properly," Birch said.

Three out of four GPR (ground-penetrating radar) specialists who were shown Birch's scan agree authorities should excavate the area in question.

"There are anomalous features in the GPR data that may be due to [human] remains, but whether or not the data indicate the presence of remains cannot be determined solely from the GPR data. You must dig to find out," said Gary N. Young, senior vice president of operations and development for Underground Imaging Technologies, LLC.

Michael Wolmarans, of Imbila Location Services CC, agreed.

"After scrutinizing various scans emailed to me, there is a strong possibility of ground disturbance ... At the 3-meter mark, at a depth of 250-300mm, there is a distinct sign of a void. This suggests that the ground has been disturbed by digging. Below the void there is an object, though it is not possible to say what it is without excavating. If this were my own investigation, I would have little doubt that an excavation of the area would be required and this is what I would do," Wolmarans said.

Ralph Baird, a geophysicist from Houston, also suggested a dig.

"What is shown in one GPR profile and in a local area is just that there are objects in the box/dirt-filled area. The process needs to just dig and remove the dirt. The area is small enough for that to happen under professional or videoed supervision ... dig it up or probe it and see what is there; it's a small task -- the digging," Baird said.

Bryan Bacheller, president of Digital Concrete Imaging in Tampa, Fla., had a slightly different opinion.

"There isn't enough for me to compare typical soils to. However, there are minor disturbances that can be interpreted as human remains. With that said, I think the area is too shallow and 100 mm below the surface is a tar layer. Highly unlikely that a criminal would dig through such hard materials and in the open space of a driveway. My opinion is that this is not a crime scene," Bacheller said.

The Huffington Post notified the Office of the Prime Minister and Portugal’s judicial police about the experts' opinions. Neither agency responded to a request for comment.

Carter-Ruck, the law firm representing Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann, said they stand behind the decision of the authorities not to dig.

"Mr. and Mrs. McCann are guided by the expertise of the British and Portuguese police, both of which have studied the information provided by Mr. Birch and both of which have concluded it is not credible," Isabel Martorell, a partner at the firm, told HuffPost.

There is, as Birch points out, only one way to settle the controversy.

"Dig. If you think I am wrong, then I am going to ask you one simple question, a question millions of people are asking: why haven't they dug or put probes down there?"







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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  dazedandconfused on Thu 20 Sep - 18:32

I'm beginning to think he's on the payroll and his "ludicrous" claims are aimed at ridiculing the whole idea that Madeleine may be dead. If he's so good at creeping about undetected in he middle of the night with heavy machinery (if it is heavy), why didn't he go a step further and do a spot of digging himself.

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  malena stool on Thu 20 Sep - 22:05

The McCanns attitude is understandable... If remains are found and shown to be Madeleine's, then their argument against Amaral and his unhelpful findings collapses. On the other hand, if Birch isn't challenged then thoughtful people will wonder why the McCanns will not go the extra mile to leave No Stone Unturned... After all, they've been given enough money to turn over the Alps in order to pursue their search for Madeleine!

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  maebee on Thu 20 Sep - 23:12

Lillyofthevalley wrote:Strange isn't it how the McCanns have done nothing about this nutter Birch, but they feel the need to go after Amaral and Bennet who only want the truth to come out, and what to know what actually happened to Maddy!!

LIKE

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  matthew on Fri 21 Sep - 0:53


An overlay of the two photos.

A photo of the May 15, 2007 search of the property in Praia da Luz where Stephen Birch believes he found a grave. The black box indicates the rubble pile he claims police never searched.
Birch claims where you see the black boxes...the rubble? was still there october 2007,since been block paved?could the search team really overlook this rubble in the overgrowth...12 days after Madeline was reported missing?from the picture of the search it looks the only place in the vicinity the two men should look at



from the graph Birch claims that between 2-3 metres,4-5 metres & 5-6 metres there is a cavity between 40-50cm below the surface,three cavitys a metre in length?

The McCanns have taken the advice of the Portuguese & British police,that Stephen Birch has no credibility according to cartier rochet...they are actually taking advice from a sardine munching,bungling,corrupt police force.


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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  matthew on Fri 21 Sep - 0:57

Missing photo


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Post  T4two on Fri 21 Sep - 10:10

matthew: .... The McCanns have taken the advice of the Portuguese & British police,that Stephen Birch has no credibility according to cartier rochet...they are actually taking advice from a sardine munching,bungling,corrupt police force. ....

Yes - another glaring anomally. What is also irritating is that they chose to issue a statement in lawyer speak through their lawyers. It's as though they were afraid to say anything spontaneously for fear of incriminating themselves. Btw, did those pesky oh so unreliable dogs also participate in searching the Murat property?

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Post  Annabel on Fri 21 Sep - 11:54

T4two wrote:
matthew: .... The McCanns have taken the advice of the Portuguese & British police,that Stephen Birch has no credibility according to cartier rochet...they are actually taking advice from a sardine munching,bungling,corrupt police force. ....

Yes - another glaring anomally. What is also irritating is that they chose to issue a statement in lawyer speak through their lawyers. It's as though they were afraid to say anything spontaneously for fear of incriminating themselves. Btw, did those pesky oh so unreliable dogs also participate in searching the Murat property?



Good question!

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  fred on Fri 21 Sep - 12:19

T4two wrote:
matthew: .... The McCanns have taken the advice of the Portuguese & British police,that Stephen Birch has no credibility according to cartier rochet...they are actually taking advice from a sardine munching,bungling,corrupt police force. ....

Yes - another glaring anomally. What is also irritating is that they chose to issue a statement in lawyer speak through their lawyers. It's as though they were afraid to say anything spontaneously for fear of incriminating themselves. Btw, did those pesky oh so unreliable dogs also participate in searching the Murat property?

Yes they did!
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  T4two on Fri 21 Sep - 18:17

Thanks Fred. So either Madeleine was buried after the search and Birch is wrong on the timing or Birch is a wum because IMO the dogs are 100% reliable.

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  Bobsy on Fri 21 Sep - 22:25

fred wrote:
T4two wrote:
matthew: .... The McCanns have taken the advice of the Portuguese & British police,that Stephen Birch has no credibility according to cartier rochet...they are actually taking advice from a sardine munching,bungling,corrupt police force. ....

Yes - another glaring anomally. What is also irritating is that they chose to issue a statement in lawyer speak through their lawyers. It's as though they were afraid to say anything spontaneously for fear of incriminating themselves. Btw, did those pesky oh so unreliable dogs also participate in searching the Murat property?

Yes they did!
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html

Hi Fred. It doesn't actually say that the dogs searched there though. A number of humans searching but not dogs. Not arguing just pointing it out.

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Post  matthew on Fri 21 Sep - 22:48

Snippet...

CANINE SEARCH OF MR MURAT'S PROPERTY

The property was subjected to a search for human remains or blood stained articles. The outside of property was stripped of vegetation and after the ground being probed was searched by the EVRD dog. The inside of the property was then searched by the dog. There were no alert indications and no human remains were located.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html

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Re: Stephen Birch

Post  Bobsy on Sat 22 Sep - 13:11

matthew wrote:Snippet...

CANINE SEARCH OF MR MURAT'S PROPERTY

The property was subjected to a search for human remains or blood stained articles. The outside of property was stripped of vegetation and after the ground being probed was searched by the EVRD dog. The inside of the property was then searched by the dog. There were no alert indications and no human remains were located.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html

Thank you Matthew, I stand corrected.

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