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Size matters. Textusa

Post  marxman on Fri 14 Sep - 21:42

Textusa is back with a teasing article about
the table layout at the tapas. Even showing
Sky-man Brunt to be 'up to his neck' in the
manipulation of the facts....
http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/

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Post  marxman on Sat 15 Sep - 10:20

Furthermore, if Textusa has shown that the
'big round' table did not exist, and was pure
invention by Kate and Tanner then it must
also show that the Tapas get-togethers did
not occur as they described.Therefore, why
would they lie? How could they manage, (if
they didn't lie) to get something so basic as
the seating arrangements to an event they
claimed took place on several nights?
I'm thinking that this invention was central
to their cover-up, as it was important to have
all the friends together and away from 5a
and the rest of the building. But as they thought
they had their stories straight they failed to
realise that the truth does not require a good
memory but a lie does, even down to shapes
of tables.

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Re: Size matters. Textusa

Post  mariang on Sun 16 Sep - 5:17

I can see where textusa is coming from re the shape and size of the table.....and it is all very odd.....but surely not the waiters and other staff at the tapas bar would lie about the t9 dining there? And what is Goncalo's take on this? Im sure he would have seen any large round tables enough for the t9 to sit on?

If the t9 were not dining in the tapas bar then where were they every night? So much confusion in this case!!!!

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Post  kitti on Sun 16 Sep - 8:28

I don't believe that everyone from that lot were there every night....the LAST night....would jane tanner go to dinner leaving her child sick....no.....ok, o'brien her partner said he would stay but would a mother go out knowing her child is Ill....no....so I think that both were with the child in the apt on 3rd that night and o'brien went later on at 10pm to be with his 'friends'.....that's if the child was really 'ill'.


The rest off the tapas took it in turns to babysit......don't think neglect is the reason they are sticking together, either they were sucked in that night or it's more deep than that.


There very strange illnesses that only come on at night.

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Post  mossman on Sun 16 Sep - 9:40

I do not believe the waiters accounts can be taken as totally accurate. That is in no way to suggest they are lying, it is simply because they had no cause, at the time, to look at and analyse every little detail of this group. They have to, as we do, in hindsight, but day by day why would they. They were all working in a sleeply holiday resort, gearing up for high season. All they see is tourists, more and more of them. Why would the tapas group or Madeleine herself by any more memorable than anybody else ?

Other than the size of the group at the table, they were just another bunch of tourists. So six or seven people each night or nine people each night - how definate can they be. I think one night would blend into the next. They may have served say nine meals, but who is to say the nine were eaten at the table ? Set a table with nine places, order nine meals but then perhaps one or two were taken back to the apartment and eaten there. How different is a group of seven to a group of nine, when you account for people going to the toilet etc. Glance at the table one or two missing, that would not strike you as strange.

Remember it was only a one week holiday. It would have taken two to three days for them to have become "regulars", for their routine to have become apparant or familiar to the waiters. So why would they remember the first ,second or third nights nights with total clarity. It is more likely whatever they did on the last two nights is what the waiters remember as the routine - their movements were reasonably similar but not necessarily exact replicas of what they did every other night.


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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 16 Sep - 17:30

mossman wrote:I do not believe the waiters accounts can be taken as totally accurate. That is in no way to suggest they are lying, it is simply because they had no cause, at the time, to look at and analyse every little detail of this group. They have to, as we do, in hindsight, but day by day why would they. They were all working in a sleeply holiday resort, gearing up for high season. All they see is tourists, more and more of them. Why would the tapas group or Madeleine herself by any more memorable than anybody else ?

Other than the size of the group at the table, they were just another bunch of tourists. So six or seven people each night or nine people each night - how definate can they be. I think one night would blend into the next. They may have served say nine meals, but who is to say the nine were eaten at the table ? Set a table with nine places, order nine meals but then perhaps one or two were taken back to the apartment and eaten there. How different is a group of seven to a group of nine, when you account for people going to the toilet etc. Glance at the table one or two missing, that would not strike you as strange.

Remember it was only a one week holiday. It would have taken two to three days for them to have become "regulars", for their routine to have become apparant or familiar to the waiters. So why would they remember the first ,second or third nights nights with total clarity. It is more likely whatever they did on the last two nights is what the waiters remember as the routine - their movements were reasonably similar but not necessarily exact replicas of what they did every other night.


I worked as a waitress when I was a student and I'd never have remembered who sat where if a large group had come into the restaurant, even if they had come every day for a week.

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Post  kitti on Sun 16 Sep - 18:50

But two head waiters DID remember.....


Two that came from another restuarant.



The two had to be somewhere at a certain time.....BOTH said that the table was empty at 9.30 apt from the 'old lady'...

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 16 Sep - 18:59

kitti wrote:But two head waiters DID remember.....


Two that came from another restuarant.



The two had to be somewhere at a certain time.....BOTH said that the table was empty at 9.30 apt from the 'old lady'...

That's interesting kitti, thank you. You'd think their timing would be fairly accurate.

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Post  kitti on Sun 16 Sep - 22:06

And don't forget the family that left the restaurant before 10pm and already heard someone calling 'maddie' and they said they saw or heard nothing when they walked back to their apt via the car park.

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Re: Size matters. Textusa

Post  mossman on Mon 17 Sep - 7:10

AnnaEsse wrote:
kitti wrote:But two head waiters DID remember.....


Two that came from another restuarant.



The two had to be somewhere at a certain time.....BOTH said that the table was empty at 9.30 apt from the 'old lady'...

That's interesting kitti, thank you. You'd think their timing would be fairly accurate.



That is my point though. You would notice and remember one person sitting alone at a table. You would also notice a full table with a big group as going by the booking sheets there was not any other big group booked in.

Unless you have superb attention to detail though you would not notice and remember the exact number of people in a group of nine and who was sitting where, each and every night. Unless there was a particular reason to remember a group, for being rowdy perhaps, the tapas group would have been a table with a group of adults and if one or two were missing on Mon, Tue or Wed night, why would they have been noticed.

I would believe those waiters are confident about what they saw on Thursday night. I do not believe that the statements for the three earlier nights can be considered a certainty though. Any one or two of the tapas could have been missing from that table during those nights and their abscence would not be noticable to a casual observer.

The Portugese taxi man who said he had Madeleine in his car that night always remains in the back of my mind. He thought this was at about 8.10 iirc. Is there a timeline anywhere which takes account of the waiters 8.30 statement, the calling of Madeleines name and the taxi driver sighting ?

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