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Post  Panda on Sat 11 May - 8:53

Boris hits out at MPs for rejecting his 'island airport'


Boris Johnson has accused MPs of “unfairly” dismissing his plans to build a
four-runway island airport in the Thames Estuary.


















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Mr Johnson, the Mayor of London, said proposals advocated by MPs on the
Transport Select Committee to build two new runways at Heathrow Airport would
“consign” millions of people to “unacceptable degrees of noise pollution”.



The MPs, led by Labour’s Louise Ellman, have supported extending Heathrow by
building two additional runways two miles to the west of the airport.





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Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Mr Johnson said it would “probably
be cheaper to move London slightly to the east” rather than build the two new
Heathrow runways.


It is thought the two new landing strips would cost between £8billion and
£12billion and could be built by 2030.



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The MPs said that a new airport in the Thames – dubbed “Boris Island” - would
need “huge public investment” in road and rail infrastructure and also require
Heathrow to close in order to be viable – something they say would have
“unacceptable consequences” West London.

Adding runways at London’s other airports, such as Gatwick or Stansted, would
not “on its own provide a long-term solution” to Britain’s aviation capacity
problems, the committee believes, although it pressed Gatwick to pursue plans
for a second runway.

Mr Johnson agreed with the MPs that a four-runway airport is needed to solve
the UK’s aviation crisis, but poured scorn on the idea of it being located at
Heathrow.

He said: “They certainly have unfairly discounted the advantages of [the
Thames Estuary] plan, but what they are saying that’s interesting is that the
long-term future is not just for a third runway, but is for a fourth runway at
Heathrow, indeed moving the whole shebang slightly to the west and constructing
a really colossal four-runway hub airport.

“That it seems to me gives the game away, because that is a perfectly logical
and coherent thing to do. I think we do need a four-runway hub airport and that
is the position of the Transport Select Committee.

“The difficulty is that that [the Heathrow plan] would really consign
hundreds of thousands – if not millions of Londoners – to unacceptable degrees
of noise pollution.”

Mr Johnson added: “What this report doesn’t concede is that that project – a
super new colossal four-runway hub airport moving Heathrow slightly to the west
– [is] it would probably be cheaper to move London slightly to the east.”














Mrs Ellman said that “the case for the third runway is compelling and it’s
best that is done at Heathrow”.

She said that an island airport could cost the public purse up to £30billion
and said there would be environmental implications for migrating birds in the
area.

The report was welcomed by business groups and major airlines.

“Expansion of the county’s only hub airport is by far the best option to
ensure we have enough capacity to meet the growing demand for flights,” said
Corin Taylor, senior economic adviser at the Institute of Directors.

Virgin Atlantic called the MPs’ verdict a “breath of fresh air”.

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Post  Panda on Sat 11 May - 8:59

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Mr Johnson said it would “probably
be cheaper to move London slightly to the east” rather than build the two new
Heathrow runways. "
See what I mean ???

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Post  Panda on Mon 13 May - 10:15

We must be ready to leave the EU if we don’t get what we want


There are pros and cons to staying in Europe – and it’s time to talk about
them, says Boris Johnson









If we are going to have any
chance of success in the negotiations, we need to show that the UK is willing to
walk away from the European
Union






By Boris Johnson

10:00PM BST 12 May 2013


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As a British diplomat once languidly observed, the trouble with the whole
debate on Europe is that there is too much religion and not enough politics. It
is like the feud in the early Christian Church between those who believed that
Christ was of the same substance as the Father, and those who said He was of a
similar but not identical substance. Was He homoousios or homoiousios? You might
say it didn’t make an iota of difference – and yet that iota was the cause of
strife that cost thousands of lives.


It is like the dispute between the Big Enders and the Little Enders about the
best way of cracking an egg. The technicalities of the question recede in
importance – and yet the factions grow louder on either side, fuelled with
mutual suspicion, and the rights and wrongs are lost in the splendours of the
civil war.


As it happens, I think the question of EU membership is no longer of key
importance to the destiny of this country. We are not members of the euro, a
misbegotten scheme that we tried vainly and rightly to strangle at birth. As the
leaders of the EU devote more and more of their time and energy to the single
currency and its problems, we cannot honestly claim to be “at the heart of
Europe”. The Prime Minister is absolutely right, in this context, to go for a
new and more mature relationship with our friends and partners. He is going to
try to boil it all down to free trade and political cooperation – and then he is
going to put it to a vote.


David Cameron is therefore the only leader of a major political party to be
asking the British people to have a say on Europe, and for the first time since
1975. He has my full support, and I personally back legislation now to make sure
that referendum goes ahead. It will be a good thing for everyone, because we
will all have to focus not on the feud – so toxic, so delicious, so gloriously
fratricidal – but on what is actually right for the country; on the nuts and
bolts of what we are trying to achieve. We are all going to have to wrap that
cold towel round our heads and ask: do I want in or out? And why? Let’s try to
weight it up, as fairly as we can. Here are my first few thoughts on why a
rational person might consider staying in the EU.


1 Foreign direct investment. There may be a risk (though this is far from
proven) that international companies and funds could be put off from investing
in the UK by the notion that Britain has somehow cut itself off from a giant
European market.



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2 Widgets. We may be putting UK firms at a long-term disadvantage if we are
no longer able to influence the setting of standards and regulations in
Brussels. There may be a risk, if we leave, that our partners would be so piqued
and irrational as to try to stitch things up against us.

3 Global influence. The EU is arguably better placed to strike trade deals
with the US, or China, than the UK on its own, though this proposition is
plainly untested, and the idea of an EU “Common Foreign Policy” is plainly a
joke. Where was the EU on Iraq, or Libya? What, come to that, is the EU position
on the Falklands?

4 Perception of UK. It is often said that our strategic significance for the
Americans or the Chinese depends on our membership of the EU; though, again,
this is untested. More generally, there is a risk that leaving the EU will be
globally interpreted as a narrow, xenophobic, backward-looking thing to do.

There may be other good reasons for staying in, but I can’t think of them
now. On the other side of the ledger let us consider the advantages of getting
out.

1 We save money. We would no longer have to cough up for the EU budget, and
could spend those billions in the UK.

2 We get back our sovereignty – especially over our borders, where we would
no longer be in the mad position of being forced to extend our entire welfare
system to anyone from Bulgaria or Romania, while keeping out lucrative Chinese
tourists to achieve immigration caps.

3 We make our own laws again. We would no longer be forced to accept the vast
corpus of EU regulation and legislation – much of it too detailed and
interfering – that has added to the costs of British business; though we would
also find ourselves being forced to comply, thanks to the sheer lunar pull of
the EU market, if we want to continue to export to Europe.

4 We can no longer blame Brussels. This is perhaps the most important point
of all. If we left the EU, we would end this sterile debate, and we would have
to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by “Bwussels”, but by
chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a
culture of easy gratification and under-investment in both human and physical
capital and infrastructure.

Why are we still, person for person, so much less productive than the
Germans? That is now a question more than a century old, and the answer has
nothing to do with the EU. In or out of the EU, we must have a clear vision of
how we are going to be competitive in a global economy. In the meantime, we need
a much more informed debate about the pluses and minuses of EU membership, and
my economic adviser Gerard Lyons will be leading an attempt to blow away the
froth and give people the facts.

This renegotiation can only work if we understand clearly what we want to
achieve: a pared-down relationship based on free trade and cooperation. And our
partners will only take us seriously if they think we will invoke Article 50,
and pull out, if we fail to get what we want. If we are going to have any chance
of success in the negotiations, we need to show that the UK is willing to walk
away.

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Re: Boris Johnson......the next PM?

Post  Panda on Mon 13 May - 10:33




MrBishi

8 minutes ago




1 We save money - not true we will pay more in tariffs.
... our
problems are not caused by “Bwussels”, but by chronic British short-termism,
inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and
under-investment in both human and physical capital and
infrastructure.

Ignorant BS - the UK is eighth out of 144 in global
competitiveness.
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/C...












  • tom197482

    16 minutes ago




    Most people don't need to weigh up the pros and cons. The answer is obvious,
    and comes from the heart.











  • Costcutter1

    27 minutes ago




    Boris (and Dave) needs to think ahead to a point where the Euro has collapsed
    and treaty renegotiation is on the table for the whole EU. At this point
    Brussels bureaucrats are likely to loose power to national governments for a
    period. We need have a clear set of requirements to stay in or get out of a new
    Europe based on a cost benefit analysis allied with controls which allow us to
    accept or reject any individual subsequent treaty changes.











  • firehose

    28 minutes ago




    UKIP runs the Conservatives. What a sorry state of affairs for the most
    sucessful 20th century European political party.











  • boudicca

    31 minutes ago




    " I think the question of EU membership is no longer of key importance to the
    destiny of this country"
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    Absolute rubbish and you know it.

    We are signed up for Ever Closer Union. We are on the escalator, just lower
    down than the Eurozone. The EU is building a United States of Europe and we are
    trapped inside whilst it is doing it.

    Whilst we are in the EU, we cannot govern our own country.
    We have lost
    control of around 80% of policy areas and we are being dictated to by a bunch
    of mostly foreign Kommissars and their Eurocrats.

    We didn't elect these people. We have no way of removing them from
    Office. They are unelected, unaccountable and above the law - and they are
    telling us what we MUST do in our own country.

    Inside the EU we are no longer Sovereign and this isn't a Democracy. We are
    paying £53 million a day to have a foreign supra-national organisation instruct
    our elected puppet-government on how it may run the country.

    Getting out of the EU is THE key issue on which everything else depends. We
    can't rebuild our economy; develop social cohension and run our own country all
    the time we remain a member.

    We don't need to be in the EU in order to trade with it. That option is
    available through EFTA or a separate Trade Treaty. We don't need to be in the
    EU in order to co-operate politically.

    Outside the EU, political cooperation would be just that - both sides would
    agree what whas appropriate. In the EU, and the EU will tell us.

    This isn't about trade. It IS about our Sovereignty, our Democracy, "no
    taxation without representation" and the ability to kick the bastards out when
    they mess up.

    We never gave LibLabCON permission to transfer our governance to the EU. We
    never gave permission for "pooling of Sovereignty." This is OUR country and we
    want it back.














  • David Camerpong

    37 minutes ago




    Why do we need the e.u. to negotiate trade agreements?
    Why do we need any
    politician or eurocrat to decide who we trade with or what goods we as a people
    can buy??
    Whoever supplies the goods to the consumer bears responsibility for
    the quality & safety of those goods??
  • These are some of the comments .....very knowledgeable posters.

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    Re: Boris Johnson......the next PM?

    Post  malena stool on Mon 13 May - 19:36

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/13/boris-johnson-sloth-lazy_n_3264675.html
    If many of the comments posted on Huff Puff are anything to go by Boris has just lost much of his credibility.

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    Post  Panda on Tue 14 May - 7:11

    Admittedly Boris suggesting we are all sloths was OTT, but if you are honest, there are many who begrudge working and are quite happy to live off benefits.
    I was lucky to be born in an era when jobs were 10 a penny , this isn't true today.BUT, the standards have dropped today , Customer service is a thing of the past. Only a few minutes ago a report that children will be educated on commas, full stops, adverbs etc to improve their writing skills is to be part of Education.

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    Post  malena stool on Tue 14 May - 14:41

    Panda wrote:Admittedly Boris suggesting we are all sloths was OTT, but if you are honest, there are many who begrudge working and are quite happy to live off benefits.
    I was lucky to be born in an era when jobs were 10 a penny , this isn't true today.BUT, the standards have dropped today , Customer service is a thing of the past. Only a few minutes ago a report that children will be educated on commas, full stops, adverbs etc to improve their writing skills is to be part of Education.
    I agree entirely to a point Panda, but it's the era of fair paid jobs for all that has gone. Many jobs are still out there but are paid at a rate which does not offer a living wage. Workers employed from overseas are subsidised by Government, that is a fact. Whereas our skilled British workers are unable to exist on the low rates of pay offered. Hence the floods of immigrants from the EU as well as Asia.

    The Polish car washers are a prime example, some live in converted shipping containers. Asian workers rotate 8 hour shifts and rotate the same bed. British workers will not do this, it is reverting to pre Victorian living standards.

    We have housing estates here in Leicestershire full of immigrants with very few indigenous Brits. All houses were furnished by council grants, to the extent that many houses were broken into before the foreign tenants could take up residence and furniture taken. British workers in the main are not idle or slothlike, they are however p1$$ed off with being used and abused as pawns in political mis-statements. We have the skills to do the work politicians and employers are bringing foreigners in to do, the truth is it's just not profitable to use Brits.

    Strangely though almost all major companies regularly report their disappointment at only making between £400-£600 million quarterly nett profit....

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    Post  Panda on Sat 18 May - 20:59

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/30/how-could-boris-johonson-become-tory-leader-_n_1718223.html

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    Re: Boris Johnson......the next PM?

    Post  Panda on Wed 22 May - 16:26

    Public has right to know about Boris Johnson's secret lovechild, court
    rules



    It is in the 'public interest' for people to know about Boris Johnson’s
    secret lovechild, the Appeal Court ruled yesterday.









    Boris Johnson, the Mayor of
    London Photo: PAUL
    GROVER





    7:56AM BST 21 May 2013




    The Mayor of London’s affair with art consultant Helen Macintyre, which
    resulted in the birth of their daughter Stephanie in 2009, was in the public
    interest because the electorate was entitled to know about it when considering
    his fitness for public office, the court ruled.


    The judge rejected claims by Miss Macintyre, who had worked for Mr Johnson in
    an unpaid capacity, in her legal action against the Daily Mail that her child’s
    paternity should be kept secret.


    Stephanie’s father was not identified on her birth certificate, and
    speculation over the paternity of the child, who has a mop of flaxen hair, grew
    the summer after she was born in November 2009, the Daily Mail reported.



    Mr Johnson's wife Marina, the mother of their four children, is reported to
    have thrown him out of the house “like a tom cat” over claims that Stephanie was
    his child.


    After Stephanie was born, Miss Macintyre, 39, moved out of the £5 million
    London home she had shared with her partner, property developer Pierre Rolin,
    and neither she nor Mr Johnson has ever confirmed or denied that he was the
    father, according to the newspaper.



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    Last July, High Court judge Mrs Justice Nicola Davies said the Daily Mail was
    justified in publishing stories about the secret lovechild because the mayor’s
    “recklessness” in conducting extramarital affairs, which has resulted in two
    children being born, called into question his fitness for public office.

    The judge ruled after a six-day private hearing in London that her mother had
    compromised the child's right to privacy by hinting at the identity of the
    father.

    The Appeal Court judges said in their ruling that Miss Macintyre showed an
    “ambivalent approach” to keeping her daughter's paternity secret, pointing out
    that at a weekend house party, she had told a senior magazine executive that Mr
    Johnson, 47, was the father.

    The judges also highlighted an interview and photoshoot Miss Macintyre did
    with Tatler magazine, which contained references to her affair with the mayor
    and the fact that he was alleged to be Stephanie’s father.

    The judge ordered the Daily Mail's publishers, Associated Newspapers, to pay
    £15,000 in privacy damages for publishing photographs of Stephanie but ordered
    the baby's legal backers to pay 80 per cent of the newspaper’s legal costs, an
    estimated £200,000.

    Although Miss Macintyre appealed against the decision not to award her
    damages for details about the affair and the child’s paternity being published,
    and the refusal to grant an injunction preventing the Daily Mail from reprinting
    the information, the Court of Appeal rejected her application.

    Master of the Rolls Lord Justice Dyson said: “It is not in dispute that the
    legitimate public interest in the father's character is an important factor to
    be weighed in the balance against the child's expectation of privacy.

    “The core information in this story, namely that the father had an adulterous
    affair with the mother, deceiving both his wife and the mother's partner, and
    that the child, born about nine months later, was likely to be the father's
    child, was a public interest matter which the electorate was entitled to know
    when considering his fitness for high public office.”

    The application for an injunction was dismissed, with the court ruling that
    “much that has been published...in relation to the baby's paternity remains
    available online”.

    “The mother accepted in cross-examination that any woman who embarked on an
    affair with the father was ‘playing with fire’ and that such an affair was bound
    to attract ‘very considerable media attention’

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    Post  Panda on Sat 25 May - 9:54

    Boris: Finally a Johnson gets into Number 10


    Boris Johnson has welcomed his younger brother’s promotion to a key Downing
    Street position, saying it is “great there is finally a Johnson in Number 10”.















    By Peter Dominiczak, and Robert
    Winnett

    9:50AM BST 25 Apr 2013


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    Mr Johnson, the Mayor of London, said his brother Jo will be “superb” as
    David Cameron’s new head of policy and promoted to become a Cabinet Office
    minister.


    Boris Johnson has repeatedly been touted as a successor to the Prime Minister
    and recently admitted he would love to “have a crack” at the job.


    He said: “Great there is finally a Johnson in number 10. Jo will be superb.
    Now for Rachel and Leo!"


    Rachel and Leo Johnson are the mayor’s brother and sister.


    The head of the Downing Street policy unit has previously been a position
    filled by a civil servant or political adviser, rather than an MP or minister.




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    Senior sources said that Mr Johnson’s appointment marked the beginning of a
    more “Thatcher-style” policy unit at the heart of Government.

    Mr Johnson will be based in Downing Street and will work on Conservative,
    rather than Coalition, policy. Nick Clegg already has civil servants and
    advisers drawing up Liberal Democrat plans to be adopted by the Coalition.

    A Conservative source said: “These appointments clearly represent a more
    political policy operation and a more Thatcher style Downing Street Policy Unit.
    The Advisory Board will strengthen the connective tissue between Downing Street
    and the Parliamentary Party, and Jo Johnson will be a great asset in helping the
    Prime Minister drive Conservative policy priorities throughout Government.”

    Although overshadowed by his high-profile brother, Jo Johnson, a former
    journalist for the Financial Times who only entered Parliament in 2010, is
    regarded as a fast rising Conservative star. Like Mr Cameron, he attended Eton
    College before Oxford University, where he was a member of the notorious
    Bullingdon club.

    The London mayor’s youngest brother, who is married to a Guardian journalist,
    has been tipped as a potential future Prime Minister and rival for the
    Conservative leadership to Boris.

    Mr Johnson will be assisted in his role by a newly-created Conservative
    Parliamentary Advisory Board.

    The new advisory board will be largely comprised of young Conservative MPs
    tasked with drawing up innovative new ideas to reinvigorate Mr Cameron’s
    Premiership.

    Several MPs who have rebelled against the Government, including Jesse Norman
    and George Eustice, have been appointed to the panel.

    Other members of the panel will include Jane Ellison, Paul Uppal, Nick Gibb
    and Jake Berry.

    Peter Lilley, a former Cabinet minister who served under Baroness Thatcher
    and Sir John Major, has also been appointed to the board.

    Two of the leading members of the board will be Mr Norman, who spearheaded
    the successful rebellion against Coalition plans to overhaul the House of Lords,
    and Mr Eustice, a former press secretary to Mr Cameron who has criticised his
    European policies.

    The establishment of the advisory board represents an attempt by the Prime
    Minister to reach out to the Parliamentary party. Earlier this year, Mr Cameron
    faced the first serious speculation of a potential challenge for the
    Conservative leadership.

    He has faced criticism of being out of touch with many backbench MPs, and a
    number of disaffected former ministers have criticised his leadership style.

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    Post  Panda on Mon 27 May - 7:49

    By standing united, we can isolate the virus of Islamism


    Those responsible for the Woolwich atrocity must not be allowed to provoke
    and divide us, writes Boris Johnson









    Photo: ITV
    NEWS/@dannymckiernan






    By Boris Johnson

    8:11PM BST 26 May 2013





    When the family of Drummer Lee Rigby spoke to the nation last week, we
    watched in absolute agony. Never has there been such pain and such loss so
    simply and movingly expressed. They told us of his love of the Army, his pride
    in his job, his love of his family, and their shock and disbelief at his murder.



    Those words wrung the hearts of millions. We owe it to his family, and to his
    memory, to do everything we can to bring his killers to justice – and to make
    sure that no more families suffer as they are suffering today.


    It is hard to say much about the investigation now under way into the two
    alleged killers. The law must take its course. What we can do, however, is
    formulate a general response to that atrocity on the streets of Woolwich. Here
    are some of the main points.


    (1) We must not give the killers the thing they crave above all – the prize
    of dividing us. They say they want a “war”, or, as others have put it, a “clash
    of civilisations”. That idea is bunk, and we can show it.


    (2) To prevent any such temptation, we must be clear in our heads that there
    is no sense in blaming Islam, a religion that gives consolation and enrichment
    to the lives of hundreds of millions of peaceful people.



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    (3) So we need to make a hard and sharp distinction between that religion –
    and the virus of “Islamism”. This is a sinister political agenda that promotes a
    sense of grievance and victimhood among a minority of Muslims. The Islamists
    want universal sharia law, and other mumbo jumbo. Above all, they want power
    over others: and so they prey on young men who feel in some way rejected by
    society, and they fill those young men with a horrible and deluded sense of
    self-importance. They tell these people that they are not alone in suffering
    injustice; that they belong to a much wider group of victims – the Muslims – and
    that the only way to avenge these injustices is jihad. These Islamist
    evangelists have no allegiance to the Western society they live in and whose
    benefits systems they abuse: far from it – their avowed intent is to create a
    sexist and homophobic Muslim caliphate.

    (4) You cannot hope to solve the problem of Islamism by accepting their
    invitation to enter into some debate or discussion about British or American
    foreign policy, even if that were desirable. People who suggest as much are,
    alas, playing the game of the Islamists. The only realistic option is to try to
    help immunise the vast, innocent and law-abiding majority of the Muslim
    population from the virus of extremism, and at the same time to try to stamp out
    that virus.

    (5) It is very important not to exaggerate the plague. It is hard to estimate
    the number of people who have succumbed to the Islamist virus in this country,
    and there are various degrees of infection. But the security services would
    probably put the number in the very low thousands; and when you consider that
    there are about a million Muslims in London alone, you can see how the
    reputation of a whole community is at risk of suffering from the actions of a
    tiny, tiny fraction.

    (6) But it is also vital not to be complacent, and to understand that the
    security services do an extraordinary job of dealing with a problem that has
    proved tough to eradicate. There remains a hardcore of activists and agitators,
    many of whom were associated with the now-banned organisation al-Muhajiroun.
    They cause real difficulties for mosques in London, some of which have had to
    resort to long and expensive legal actions to keep them out. The vectors of the
    virus may not even make much physical contact with their targets: since the
    arrival of the internet, we have had to deal with miserable young people
    “self-radicalising” – simply by watching sermons and other material on the web.


    (7) We need to recognise, loudly and publicly, the good work of the vast
    majority of Muslim organisations in helping to crush the problem. If they are
    going to show zero tolerance of Islamism, they need support and encouragement.


    (8) We need to keep on with the work of the “Prevent” programme, an
    initiative aimed at catching the most vulnerable young Muslims, and helping them
    before they can contract the virus. “Prevent” has recently been reviewed so as
    to focus its efforts on stopping the bad guys from recruiting, rather than just
    giving cash, in a general way, to Muslim community groups. But in some London
    boroughs there is clear and encouraging evidence that these programmes are
    working – saving young people from the catastrophe of being brainwashed by the
    Islamists. We need to keep immunising where we can, and we need to stamp out the
    virus.

    (9) People like Abu Qatada should be put on a plane, and those that preach
    hate and violence must be arrested. The universities need to be much, much
    tougher in their monitoring of Islamic societies. It is utterly wrong to have
    segregated meetings in a state-funded centre of learning. If visiting speakers
    start some Islamist schtick – and seek either to call for or justify violence –
    then the authorities need to summon the police.

    (10) The police need all the assistance they can get. The officers who
    attended the crime last week showed exemplary coolness and courage, and it is a
    fine irony that one of the firearms squad who helped to immobilise the alleged
    killers was a WPC: a fitting rebuttal of the ghastly sexism of the Islamist
    ideology. I have no idea whether the police would have benefited, in the
    Woolwich case, from the powers they now seek under the Communication of Data
    Act. But I have much sympathy with their basic desire to keep up with criminals,
    and make use of technology that is now instrumental in solving thousands of
    crimes.

    That is how we are going to prevail in this struggle: by keeping our heads,
    by not falling for the tricks of those who want to provoke us, and by coming
    down hard when necessary. We know we are going to win, and they know it, too.

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    Post  malena stool on Mon 27 May - 21:56

    I've posted this quote by Churchill before. he was a very astute man and recognised there may be future problems with this religion.
    Boris is correct in what he says, but the problems have plainly been known for years and nothing has been done to prevent the build up to the demonstrations of hate and horrors which take place regularly on our streets. Politicians of all creeds have simply blamed we indigenous Brits for our 'racist attitudes', while in truth none of the other religions on the Sub-Continent are able to integrate with Islam as preached by the clerics neither. A fact which is lost on our leaders.

    "A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan"

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient" Rome.

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    Post  Panda on Mon 27 May - 22:45

    malena stool wrote:I've posted this quote by Churchill before. he was a very astute man and recognised there may be future problems with this religion.
    Boris is correct in what he says, but the problems have plainly been known for years and nothing has been done to prevent the build up to the demonstrations of hate and horrors which take place regularly on our streets. Politicians of all creeds have simply blamed we indigenous Brits for our 'racist attitudes', while in truth none of the other religions on the Sub-Continent are able to integrate with Islam as preached by the clerics neither. A fact which is lost on our leaders.

    "A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan"

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient" Rome.

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    Post  Panda on Mon 27 May - 22:58

    Excellent premonition by Churchill, when you think of him and the wimp we have now for a Conservative PM selfish as it sounds I am glad I am not growing up in todays World. Our Foreign Minister is ready to arm Syrian Rebels, trouble is he doesn't know which is the Free Syriam Army, there are 3 factions and like Iraq they are starting to fight each other . Also, he doesn't have the support of the US or Arab Countries, the EU...only France and that is because he helped Hollande in the Mali fighting.
    malena, the more we get involved in the Middle East, the more we will lay trouble on our doorstep, Had MI5 been on the ball a young Soldier would not have been murdered in broad daylight.

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    Post  malena stool on Tue 28 May - 9:22

    Panda wrote: Excellent premonition by Churchill, when you think of him and the wimp we have now for a Conservative PM selfish as it sounds I am glad I am not growing up in todays World. Our Foreign Minister is ready to arm Syrian Rebels, trouble is he doesn't know which is the Free Syriam Army, there are 3 factions and like Iraq they are starting to fight each other . Also, he doesn't have the support of the US or Arab Countries, the EU...only France and that is because he helped Hollande in the Mali fighting.
    malena, the more we get involved in the Middle East, the more we will lay trouble on our doorstep, Had MI5 been on the ball a young Soldier would not have been murdered in broad daylight.

    The trouble with those who become politicians nowadays have no experience of life other than parties with friends or a public school coming out bash.
    Previously most of our MPs had served in the armed forces or were aware of the real world outside politics through real life experience.
    None of those who blunder through their daily tasks nowadays are prepared to accept their own complicity in the mistakes made which cause loss of life, loss of jobs, immigration problems or huge amounts of public money being wasted.

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    Post  Panda on Tue 28 May - 10:00

    malena stool wrote:
    Panda wrote: Excellent premonition by Churchill, when you think of him and the wimp we have now for a Conservative PM selfish as it sounds I am glad I am not growing up in todays World. Our Foreign Minister is ready to arm Syrian Rebels, trouble is he doesn't know which is the Free Syriam Army, there are 3 factions and like Iraq they are starting to fight each other . Also, he doesn't have the support of the US or Arab Countries, the EU...only France and that is because he helped Hollande in the Mali fighting.
    malena, the more we get involved in the Middle East, the more we will lay trouble on our doorstep, Had MI5 been on the ball a young Soldier would not have been murdered in broad daylight.

    The trouble with those who become politicians nowadays have no experience of life other than parties with friends or a public school coming out bash.
    Previously most of our MPs had served in the armed forces or were aware of the real world outside politics through real life experience.
    None of those who blunder through their daily tasks nowadays are prepared to accept their own complicity in the mistakes made which cause loss of life, loss of jobs, immigration problems or huge amounts of public money being wasted.
    Sadly, there is no one of any stature, except Boris LOl who has the Brains and relates to the Public who deserves the title" Leader."

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    Post  fuzeta on Wed 29 May - 19:47

    malena stool wrote:I've posted this quote by Churchill before. he was a very astute man and recognised there may be future problems with this religion.
    Boris is correct in what he says, but the problems have plainly been known for years and nothing has been done to prevent the build up to the demonstrations of hate and horrors which take place regularly on our streets. Politicians of all creeds have simply blamed we indigenous Brits for our 'racist attitudes', while in truth none of the other religions on the Sub-Continent are able to integrate with Islam as preached by the clerics neither. A fact which is lost on our leaders.

    "A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan"

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient" Rome.

    Malena thank you for putting this quote from Winston It is just so spot on. Makes you think does it not? All those years ago he summed the religion up so well.

    Also well done to you for your own comments. I tried to say what I felt on another thread but I am afraid I did not put it as well as you have done.

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    Post  malena stool on Wed 29 May - 21:14

    fuzeta wrote:
    malena stool wrote:I've posted this quote by Churchill before. he was a very astute man and recognised there may be future problems with this religion.
    Boris is correct in what he says, but the problems have plainly been known for years and nothing has been done to prevent the build up to the demonstrations of hate and horrors which take place regularly on our streets. Politicians of all creeds have simply blamed we indigenous Brits for our 'racist attitudes', while in truth none of the other religions on the Sub-Continent are able to integrate with Islam as preached by the clerics neither. A fact which is lost on our leaders.

    "A quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan"

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient" Rome.

    Malena thank you for putting this quote from Winston It is just so spot on. Makes you think does it not? All those years ago he summed the religion up so well.

    Also well done to you for your own comments. I tried to say what I felt on another thread but I am afraid I did not put it as well as you have done.
    Thanks for that fuzeta.

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    Post  Panda on Thu 30 May - 8:33

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/10/18/boris-johnson-says-osborn_n_1017467.html#s416777title=That_bizzare_rugby

    Famous Boris Gaffes

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    Post  Panda on Thu 30 May - 21:07

    I,m thrilled to bits, someone gave me this link , couldn't get the video to work but how the Transport Ministry could turn this down is unbelievable , no having to rip up villages and Countryside, the residents of Heathrow would not go deaf, I hope he becomes PM and overturns their decision
    http://www.fosterandpartners.com/ThamesHub/


    The second one is a Business plan Boris has negotiated with the Chinese....I told you he was clever , I will find out what the odds are of him becoming PM, I'm sure he will


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/10087727/Boris-Johnson-unveils-plan-for-1bn-Chinese-business-district.html

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    Post  Panda on Fri 31 May - 22:36

    Poll: Would Boris Johnson make a good prime minister?


    By Will HeavenPoliticsLast updated: May 29th, 2013
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    Boris, full of surprises (Photo: PA)
    Boris would love to see David Cameron "fail miserably" at being Prime Minister – that's according to Andy Coulson, the former No 10 spin doctor, who has written an explosive article for GQ magazine this week. Coulson reckons that – if Cameron fails – Boris plans to "ride in on his bike and save party and country". (Rather that than "stab" Cameron in the back, which would be "distinctly off brand – just not very Boris".)
    But if the ball comes loose from the back of the scrum, as the Mayor of London puts it, would he be up to carrying it over the line? Or would disaster loom? Is he a modern-day Pericles, or a 21st-century Caligula?
    You decide: vote in the poll below

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    Post  Lioned on Mon 3 Jun - 11:46

    Just to put the record straight incase you dont know David Cameron has Jo Johnson in his 'policy unit' and both Jo and Boris are Camerons cousins,so its all in the family.

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    Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 3 Jun - 12:03

    I certainly didn't know about the link between David Cameron and the Johnson family.

    I don't think that this story about Boris has been posted already.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10070055/Public-has-right-to-know-about-Boris-Johnsons-secret-lovechild-court-rules.html

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    Post  Lioned on Mon 3 Jun - 12:24

    They are '8th Cousins' according to the Cameron family Wiki entry.

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    Post  Panda on Mon 3 Jun - 16:16

    [quote="Not Born Yesterday"]I certainly didn't know about the link between David Cameron and the Johnson family.

    I don't think that this story about Boris has been posted already.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10070055/Public-has-right-to-know-about-Boris-Johnsons-secret-lovechild-court-rules.html[/quote]

    Boris and Cameron are not related, Boris was born in the US and still has dual Nationality . As far as I know, the only link Cameron and Boris have is that they were at Eton together , Cameron got a First and Boris was elected President of the Students Union.

    NBY...the page is no longer available, what was in it? We know he fathered 2 children , not at the same time , but that was a while ago.

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