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Post  Wintabells on Wed 21 Nov - 19:26

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

Blacksmith venting.

And who can blame him.

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Post  Lioned on Wed 21 Nov - 20:14

Seems like blacksmith has got his head well and truly stuck up the Tory toffs arse.This is out of character (if he ever had one that could be understood).
Not the ramblings of a child protection warrior,if anything quite the opposite.He's lost the plot or maybe someone's touched a nerve.
So wanting justice for Maddie is now a 'disgusting activity'.

Needs to go and join the venom spitting idiots on the dark side and spew his bile upon like minded creatures.

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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Wed 21 Nov - 21:30

Agree Lioned

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Post  Wintabells on Wed 21 Nov - 22:33

I assumed that the point Blacksmith is making (and with which I agree) is that the linking of paedophilia, illuminati, government cover-ups, Freemasonry, Jimmy Saville, Peter Sutcliffe, fridges, terramundi pots and any random person with the surname McCann to the explanation for the absence of Madeleine McCann has become nothing short of mass hysteria.

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Post  tanszi on Wed 21 Nov - 23:01

I tend to agree with that line of thinking Wintabells

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Post  Panda on Wed 21 Nov - 23:08

I understood the ribbons bit, obviously a reference to the April Jones case. Also the incessant reporting of Pedophiles at the moment , how they are protected, Kate's book etc. Couldn't understand the boy doll (Sean ) breaking up nor some of the other stuff .

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Post  Lioned on Wed 21 Nov - 23:31

One must assume from his glowing character reference of Lord Mcalpine that he must know him personally.As for all the other stuff that he now finds so disgusting,well we've been talking about all of that for over 5 years now,clearly some are finding it all a bit tiresome.
There is a considerable amount of information on the Internet that isn't widely known in the broader public domain,particularly concerning peadophilia and child abuse.
There are many active members on different forums who's research is clearly causing concern to some.hopefully blacksmith will now cease his incoherent ramblings as he is so bored with it all and retire to his gentlemans club.

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Post  tigger on Thu 22 Nov - 7:40

Wintabells wrote:I assumed that the point Blacksmith is making (and with which I agree) is that the linking of paedophilia, illuminati, government cover-ups, Freemasonry, Jimmy Saville, Peter Sutcliffe, fridges, terramundi pots and any random person with the surname McCann to the explanation for the absence of Madeleine McCann has become nothing short of mass hysteria.

That is hopefully the case. I was quite disgusted with the rabid interest in the Tia and April cases - the way the whole thing was fed by the tabloids and the idiotic use of the pink ribbons. The details and scenarios of abuse fed by trolls and suchlike. I don't think that helps Maddie's case at all.

But the personal tone tone of the defence of a LMcA in Blacksmiths' recent polemic was so out of character that there must be a personal interest.

The Twitter hysteria on the part of LMcA too, smacks of manipulation and apart from one sensible article, I can't find anyone stating the obvious: if I should repeat a snippet of news which I have gleaned from BBC/ITV/SkY by tweeting it, how can I be held responsible for libel?
The very hasty settlement with the media - money of course - is off the chart. this is within days of the broadcast. LMcA was hazy about other members of his family, only saying that one of them lived in Cheshire. No furious defence of the family but a very quick settlement and global threat to all who dare to utter his name in vain.

Keeping in mind his book on Machiavellian techniques in business and politics, I am of the opinion that the twitter/internet scare is orchestrated or at the very least turned to the advantage of the alleged victim. A fine Italian hand indeed. I'll keep twittering, as it happens I didn't mention McA in relation to paedophilia.
In fact I don't think he is and I feel it's often apparent in the face and behaviour of the person. He doesn't look like one imo. But Blacksmith calling him a 'gentle' man and these pesky posters 'wicked'. It's almost as if he lost his dictionary.

I like his latest offering, as Panda said, the ribbons are very good.

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Post  Panda on Thu 22 Nov - 7:56

Morning tigger, I read a couple of days ago that twitter may be forced to close down because there is no monitoring of what can be twittered and LmcA is a prime example of hysteria when no one really knows whether he is guilty or not.

Facebook also is being monitored because while it is a good media for people around the World, it is also a magnet for abuse as has been proved.

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Post  tigger on Thu 22 Nov - 9:13

Panda wrote:Morning tigger, I read a couple of days ago that twitter may be forced to close down because there is no monitoring of what can be twittered and LmcA is a prime example of hysteria when no one really knows whether he is guilty or not.

Facebook also is being monitored because while it is a good media for people around the World, it is also a magnet for abuse as has been proved.

Facebook has always been monitored but will never close down or even get censored much at all. It is a prime harvesting site i.e. personal details are used by security organisations and commercial ones. There's an enormous amount of money in it.
Facebook is like subscribing to release personal details to anyone who wishes to make use of these.

Twitter is just a mini-internet. But if I tweet to one person, he/she may decide to retweet to all and sundry. Even so, the LMcA case is ridiculous - clearly Twitter seems to be something that needs to be controlled by the powers that be.

Slander and libel are the same thing. So if I mention to a neighbour or loudly in a cafe (so that others may hear it) that I've heard on the news that Fred is a paedo, the same censorship should apply as is now argued for Twitter. We're getting damn close to 1984.

LMcA should contend himself with suing the origin of the faulty information, not people who haven't dreamt it up and are merely relaying this information.

The 'news' provided by the media, as AnnaEsse and others here point out re the Gaza attacks, is highly suspect. Perhaps 'journalism school' could be improved. I have a friend who did a media degree in his thirties. He said he could have done it in a year, most of the time was spent teaching the budding journalists basic skills, writing, spelling, basic numeracy. Some frequently misspelt their own name.
The Daily Wail manages to misspell or mislabel on practically an hourly basis, doubtless having these graduates on the staff.



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Post  Panda on Thu 22 Nov - 9:46

tigger wrote:
Panda wrote:Morning tigger, I read a couple of days ago that twitter may be forced to close down because there is no monitoring of what can be twittered and LmcA is a prime example of hysteria when no one really knows whether he is guilty or not.

Facebook also is being monitored because while it is a good media for people around the World, it is also a magnet for abuse as has been proved.

Facebook has always been monitored but will never close down or even get censored much at all. It is a prime harvesting site i.e. personal details are used by security organisations and commercial ones. There's an enormous amount of money in it.
Facebook is like subscribing to release personal details to anyone who wishes to make use of these.

Twitter is just a mini-internet. But if I tweet to one person, he/she may decide to retweet to all and sundry. Even so, the LMcA case is ridiculous - clearly Twitter seems to be something that needs to be controlled by the powers that be.

Slander and libel are the same thing. So if I mention to a neighbour or loudly in a cafe (so that others may hear it) that I've heard on the news that Fred is a paedo, the same censorship should apply as is now argued for Twitter. We're getting damn close to 1984.

LMcA should contend himself with suing the origin of the faulty information, not people who haven't dreamt it up and are merely relaying this information.

The 'news' provided by the media, as AnnaEsse and others here point out re the Gaza attacks, is highly suspect. Perhaps 'journalism school' could be improved. I have a friend who did a media degree in his thirties. He said he could have done it in a year, most of the time was spent teaching the budding journalists basic skills, writing, spelling, basic numeracy. Some frequently misspelt their own name.
The Daily Wail manages to misspell or mislabel on practically an hourly basis, doubtless having these graduates on the staff.



A few years ago my Son was working in Australia as a Cameraman for channel 7 News . He said the Australians had a very dim view of the British Press , too many Dailies chasing News and in the process "News" was gossip and often hyped up.

Personally , I think the USA is much more democratic than Britain. Look how two Journalists managed to force Nixon to resign, could that happen here? I think not, a D Notice would have been served on the NYT long before Watergate had been investigated, Tony Blair issued one to the Sunday Herald who were investigating Pedophilia among Ministers.

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Post  Lioned on Thu 22 Nov - 19:13

I wonder what blacksmith will have to say about his 'friends' collection of 'photographs' especially the ones of naked young girls.
Seems the cuddly old Tory toff didn't want us to know about them.

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Post  T4two on Thu 22 Nov - 23:33

Lioned wrote:I wonder what blacksmith will have to say about his 'friends' collection of 'photographs' especially the ones of naked young girls.
Seems the cuddly old Tory toff didn't want us to know about them.



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Post  wjk on Fri 23 Nov - 10:48

T4two wrote:
Lioned wrote:I wonder what blacksmith will have to say about his 'friends' collection of 'photographs' especially the ones of naked young girls.
Seems the cuddly old Tory toff didn't want us to know about them.



You can see examples of the 'artists' work if you google Graham Ovenden

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Post  Lioned on Fri 23 Nov - 16:17

That would be the artist who has twice been up on indecency charges !

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Fri 23 Nov - 16:35

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Ovenden

That's the one!

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Post  Lioned on Fri 23 Nov - 16:47

On a completely different subject i wonder if gary glitter claimed he was an art collector when the cops came knocking at his door ?

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Post  chrissie on Fri 23 Nov - 16:51

Chris Langham's was 'research' apparently...

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Post  Wintabells on Fri 23 Nov - 19:13

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

The Blacksmith Bureau

Friday, 23 November 2012


Saying sorry is the easiest thing
John Blacksmith writes again: Well now. Somebody mailed me to check out one of the forums where a poster was devoting an inordinate amount of time and multi-coloured ink to me. I did. The post I skimmed was actually quite harmless and amusing but it was some of the other stuff on this "Madeleine McCann Site" which caught my eye.

As we know, Lord McAlpine was libelled and he has taken action against a number of the libellers. Nobody has stood up to claim that the libel was anything more than a grotesque pack of lies. The reason why the libel was so serious, of course, was the current climate of mass hysteria about paedophilia which the forums on the one hand and Witchfinder Rebekah and her peers on the other have whipped up.

In such a climate the accusation is absolute dynamite, far more serious than being accused of murder. Readers have only to look at the treatment of Raymond Hewlett, the man whom the McCanns' employees publicly targeted as a possible "suspect" in the MM case, to see how he became overnight the target of gross and disgusting abuse and accusations and was pursued right onto his deathbed, treatment which the Bureau described with contempt as "pissing into his oxygen mask".

It is this climate which has resulted in a number of deaths of suspected paedophiles at the hands of lynch mobs. Beaten to death. In England. In the twenty-first century. To make the accusation is to put the person at risk.

Now the anti-McCann sites have form in this regard. With gloating fascination they have accused David Payne of being a paedophile time and time again. We've always refused even to discuss the filth people have thrown at him after dribbling over the "evidence" which demonstrates his wickedness, just as we've always refused to discuss the claims that one of the Head Witchfinders was caught with his erect cock in his moving hand in a public lavatory some time ago. We could do so, of course, and we could use the McCann forum techniques to demand that the suspect answers our questions and demonstrates his innocence. We have the absolute right, don't we, to know whether he was watching, or fantasising about, an adult or a child while he was busily occupying himself. And what sex was that person? Justice for Maddie (from Norbury) demands the truth!

Did Payne's accusers ever consider what the consequences might be for him? Did they actually hope that a mob might descend on his house and start trying to burn it down ? Or were they just too dim to see that words cause real-world events?





Anyway, back to Lord McAlpine and the comments that caught my eye. One might think that in view of the proven falsity of the claim against him forum people might just quieten down and look for other targets. Or possibly one or two of them might even express their regret at what they'd posted. Oh, no. If you think there's any chance of that in anti-McCann forum land you're living in dream world chum. The following comments were plucked quickly from my visit. Despite their resemblance to Bureau spoofs they are genuine.

First we have the moral high ground displayed:

"There`s no way anyone could have seen the writing on that piece of paper and, as you say, no one knows if LAMs name was on it. When you weigh it up, if LAM is innocent, what the hell has he got to worry about. For him to be ending up with millions of pounds in his pocket is sickening…"


"To my mind, this relegates Lord McAlpine’s extraordinary attack on tens of thousands of ordinary social media users to the realm of ludicrous. Because what it says, very directly, is that one cannot comment on the news without independently verified sources of one’s own."
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It is, of course, always someone else's fault:

"If I, as the man on the Clapham omnibus, cannot reasonably assume that the information passed to me by one of the most respected news programmes of one of the most respected news outlets is accurate, I am effectively gagged from commenting on it. Or anything reported anywhere."


"Can every Twitter user be expected to factcheck Newsnight? As the Lord McAlpine case shows, at some point we have to trust news organisations to tell us the truth."
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Not quite what's said about the media's treatment of the McCanns is it? Never mind, McAlpine has a cunning plan:

"McAlpine’s advice on dealing with the media? Spread false defeat to gain public sympathy; or false accusation and then arrange for it to be exposed as such – so the accuser will forever be treated with suspicion."
Then, of course, the further smears – no smoke without fire, you know:

(Quote) "By paying the well-respected London dealer Lord McAlpine the significant sum of £55.000 pounds for the bronze shields, although he himself could reasonably say that he bought them in good faith, the British Museum might be open to criticism…"
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And, naturally, the ad hominem:

"My goodness - this man sounds more and more like a despotic old testament character or as if he`s some punitive god wreaking revenge. His actions say an awful lot about his character."


"I am simply appalled by the sheer arrogance and delusional mindset exhibited by this man. It appears he has taken on the whole conventional and social media world with an unprecedented vengeance, quite disproportionate in my opinion to the supposed offence committed, particularly when applied to the users of Twitter. While I don't claim to understand the true motive behind his actions…"
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Then the conspiracies:

"Only when it was getting close to the establishment did everything kick off. I think the Schofield incident was a set-up. No way do I believe Schofield did what he did without the director speaking into his ear piece directing him. Cameron hardly had the look of surprise and shock of one who had been ambushed."


"Keep it all confined to dead people or celebrities, a few heads on a plate to appease people is the name of the game while the big LIVING players, the ones with money, power and perverted tastes, are shielded."
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And finally, McAlpine is dodgy and a paedo after all. The moderators helpfully provided these links:

"http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=521777230"
"http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75688-you-are-overcooking-the-pudding-mcalpine-and-more-and-more-people-are-starting-to-see-it-"
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That's right, David Icke.

Why? From what depths of near-psychotic resentment and malicious ignorance is this stuff flowing? I am aware that there are a few very sensible people on that forum: they know who they are. To them I say this: for God's sake get out of that shit pit, which has nothing to do with the McCann case any more. Find somewhere decent to post.

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Post  Lioned on Fri 23 Nov - 19:49

Blacksmith managed to stay off the juice long enough to volley off another vitriolic attack at this 'shit pit'.Didnt waste any time at all sticking up for the bloated Tory toff.
No mention of the art collection though.
Let the handful of intelligent members left on MM take note.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Fri 23 Nov - 20:10

Get well soon, Blacksmith.

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Post  malena stool on Fri 23 Nov - 20:38

wjk wrote:
T4two wrote:
Lioned wrote:I wonder what blacksmith will have to say about his 'friends' collection of 'photographs' especially the ones of naked young girls.
Seems the cuddly old Tory toff didn't want us to know about them.



You can see examples of the 'artists' work if you google Graham Ovenden

What was Kenny Everett's saying?.... 'It's all in the best possible taste'...

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Fri 23 Nov - 20:44

I think it's now time to ignore Blacksmith's rantings as it only encourages him.

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Post  T4two on Fri 23 Nov - 21:00

Not Born Yesterday wrote:I think it's now time to ignore Blacksmith's rantings as it only encourages him.

Sound advice.

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Post  Lioned on Fri 23 Nov - 21:03

Quite.Interesting that this once highly respected literist amongst bloggers has shown his true colours and chosen to attack the members of this forum based on his 'skimming' over this thread and 'plucking' a few sound bites.
Just a little 'Schofieldesk'.
Needs to take a reality check and get a little help.

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