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Post  Bobsy on Fri 23 Nov - 21:14

It is almost like having a troll visit.

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Re: The Blacksmith Bureau

Post  ProfessorPlum on Fri 23 Nov - 21:49

I thought he was referring to Jill Haverns site with references to "head hounder" = Tony Bennett?

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Post  Claudia79 on Fri 23 Nov - 23:46

Lioned wrote:Quite.Interesting that this once highly respected literist amongst bloggers has shown his true colours and chosen to attack the members of this forum based on his 'skimming' over this thread and 'plucking' a few sound bites.
Just a little 'Schofieldesk'.
Needs to take a reality check and get a little help.

Highly respected? Not by me, he wasn't. Ever.

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Post  Wintabells on Fri 23 Nov - 23:52

ProfessorPlum wrote:I thought he was referring to Jill Haverns site with references to "head hounder" = Tony Bennett?

Yes. I think so.

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Post  Lioned on Sat 24 Nov - 0:44

He does talk About 'anti mcann' sites in the plural and as many members post on both sites i make no distinction as he clearly feels the same.
Hopefuly he will expire in his own juices and spare us any more of this drivel.

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Post  tigger on Sat 24 Nov - 7:45

"If I, as the man on the Clapham omnibus, cannot reasonably assume that the information passed to me by one of the most respected news programmes of one of the most respected news outlets is accurate, I am effectively gagged from commenting on it. Or anything reported anywhere."


"Can every Twitter user be expected to factcheck Newsnight? As the Lord McAlpine case shows, at some point we have to trust news organisations to tell us the truth."

Re-quoting the above - don't know who posted it but exactly my opinion. Next we're in need of a special breed of wardens who will have to listen in on telephone conversations and indeed conversations in public places to prevent the great and the good being slandered.
The presently out of work Stazi come to mind.


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Re: The Blacksmith Bureau

Post  kitti on Sat 24 Nov - 8:41

Don't be surprised to see blacksmith going the same way as Bren lol.......


Why is he so obsessed with pedophiles?


Didn't mr amaral and his wife talk about paedophiles In the group .


What does he say about that?

Or is he saying he knows more about the case than mr amaral?



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Re: The Blacksmith Bureau

Post  kitti on Sat 24 Nov - 9:12

I'm waiting for him to slag off mr amaral and his wife.


And the Gaspers.



THEY both mentioned paedophillia BEFORE we even knew about it.

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Re: The Blacksmith Bureau

Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 25 Nov - 10:39

I still think something else is going on here behind the scenes.

Either 1) blacksmith has a link to this 'pedophillia' story / mcapline etc
2) he has been accused himself in the past.
3) he has been hacked

As who does he think his audience is that is interested in reading about all the analysis into the Mccann's discrepancies?
Secondly the following quote from his page highlights how off kilter his perspective is at the moment


Now the anti-McCann sites have form in this regard. With gloating fascination they have accused David Payne of being a paedophile time and time again. We've always refused even to discuss the filth people have thrown at him after dribbling over the "evidence" which demonstrates his wickedness, just as we've always refused to discuss the claims that one of the Head Witchfinders was caught with his erect cock in his moving hand in a public lavatory some time ago. We could do so, of course, and we could use the McCann forum techniques to demand that the suspect answers our questions and demonstrates his innocence. We have the absolute right, don't we, to know whether he was watching, or fantasising about, an adult or a child while he was busily occupying himself. And what sex was that person? Justice for Maddie (from Norbury) demands the truth!

Did Payne's accusers ever consider what the consequences might be for him? Did they actually hope that a mob might descend on his house and start trying to burn it down ? Or were they just too dim to see that words cause real-world events?

What is lacking from this quote is the recognition that it was the Gaspar's which first levelled the accusations against david payne.
NOT the forums. They also did so under oath, in interview with police officers which means that they would not have said anything that they would not have been prepared to repeat in court.

There is also a corroborating factor, that of Yvonne Martin. Her role as lead in child safeguarding, juxtaposed with the anonymous call, followed by a call where she actually gave all her details implies that she did know exactly where she thought she knew David Payne from. Otherwise she would not have gone through all that effort. Social Workers are privy to so much information and detail from all sorts of private court cases. I think there is definitely more to this angle, even though I do not think it directly relevant as to the cause of MM's death.

I've never considered this an 'anti-mccann' site, rather a pro truth one. If the Mccann's get arrested and put in jail for lying, that is just a side effect of the truth being outed. I am still convinced one day, the truth will out.


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Re: The Blacksmith Bureau

Post  tigger on Sun 25 Nov - 12:11

Loopdaloop wrote:I still think something else is going on here behind the scenes.

Either 1) blacksmith has a link to this 'pedophillia' story / mcapline etc
2) he has been accused himself in the past.
3) he has been hacked

As who does he think his audience is that is interested in reading about all the analysis into the Mccann's discrepancies?
Secondly the following quote from his page highlights how off kilter his perspective is at the moment


Now the anti-McCann sites have form in this regard. With gloating fascination they have accused David Payne of being a paedophile time and time again. We've always refused even to discuss the filth people have thrown at him after dribbling over the "evidence" which demonstrates his wickedness, just as we've always refused to discuss the claims that one of the Head Witchfinders was caught with his erect cock in his moving hand in a public lavatory some time ago. We could do so, of course, and we could use the McCann forum techniques to demand that the suspect answers our questions and demonstrates his innocence. We have the absolute right, don't we, to know whether he was watching, or fantasising about, an adult or a child while he was busily occupying himself. And what sex was that person? Justice for Maddie (from Norbury) demands the truth!

Did Payne's accusers ever consider what the consequences might be for him? Did they actually hope that a mob might descend on his house and start trying to burn it down ? Or were they just too dim to see that words cause real-world events?

What is lacking from this quote is the recognition that it was the Gaspar's which first levelled the accusations against david payne.
NOT the forums. They also did so under oath, in interview with police officers which means that they would not have said anything that they would not have been prepared to repeat in court.

There is also a corroborating factor, that of Yvonne Martin. Her role as lead in child safeguarding, juxtaposed with the anonymous call, followed by a call where she actually gave all her details implies that she did know exactly where she thought she knew David Payne from. Otherwise she would not have gone through all that effort. Social Workers are privy to so much information and detail from all sorts of private court cases. I think there is definitely more to this angle, even though I do not think it directly relevant as to the cause of MM's death.

I've never considered this an 'anti-mccann' site, rather a pro truth one. If the Mccann's get arrested and put in jail for lying, that is just a side effect of the truth being outed. I am still convinced one day, the truth will out.


Thank you, exactly my take on the matter. Other things going on behind the scenes. The fact is that LMcA is an astute businessman, has written several books, was treasurer of the Conservative Party and I would expect him to have plenty of connections and friends in the upper echelons of society.
To paint him as 'a gentle man' sounds more like someone's unworldly uncle, who has rarely ventured out in the big bad world.

Being falsely accused is terrible of course, but did he do a TV interview to counter this? (I don't have TV) I know there was a radio one in which he said he didn't have a telephone
and I read that he didn't defend his family from this allegation, just himself. The reaction and the uncannily fast arrangement re compensation and the imo idiotic attempt to stifle Twitter - please do stifle that awful woman Bercow, she of all people should have shut up - do not make sense at all.

The above quote from Blacksmith is frankly so out of character that one would advise him to find a psychiatrist asap. Filthy language and as LdL has pointed out, neglecting the basis on which the evidence was based.


Why Blacksmith wants 'personal ruin' for anyone who has retweeted or tweeted something they got from a normally reliable source is a mystery.
I don't even wish personal ruin on the McCanns (shutting up and shutting down the Fund would satisfy me) or will ever wish such a thing on Blacksmith et al.
Why should I? It will benefit no-one. Not me, not Blacksmith and bringing people to the point of suicide is hardly going to help any cause.
I rest my case, thanks, loopadaloop!

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Re: The Blacksmith Bureau

Post  Oldartform on Sun 25 Nov - 13:08

Blacksmith has always written his blogs in a very exaggerated and very cynical way - this can come across as a bit manic, verging on paranoid - one has to have a certain element of mania and paranoia to have that sort of creative writing ability; the same applies to comedians. Displaying such an extremely horrific picture of a crowd of men attacking a single man on the ground says a lot about Blacksmith; it shows his horror at what might happen to a paedophile if he`s found out. We don`t even know if the man in the picture is a paedophile, it could be any scene where someone has been singled out by opposing factions for whatever reason, but this is the picture he chose.


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Post  tigger on Sun 25 Nov - 13:28

Oldartform wrote:Blacksmith has always written his blogs in a very exaggerated and very cynical way - this can come across as a bit manic, verging on paranoid - one has to have a certain element of mania and paranoia to have that sort of creative writing ability; the same applies to comedians. Displaying such an extremely horrific picture of a crowd of men attacking a single man on the ground says a lot about Blacksmith; it shows his horror at what might happen to a paedophile if he`s found out. We don`t even know if the man in the picture is a paedophile, it could be any scene where someone has been singled out by opposing factions for whatever reason, but this is the picture he chose.


I think the picture he chose was of the recent 'execution' of six suspected Israeli spies by Palestinians who then proceeded to drag the bodies through the streets by way of their (expensive looking) motorcycles.
Mediaeval tactics. So a little over the top imo to illustrate unwanted paedos in the vicinity. Not likely to happen to LMcA either. I do agree that a mob of any kind is a danger and civilisation is skin deep. But the picture does not relate to LMcA who imo is in no danger of being dragged off anywhere. In fact these mob tactics usually occur on estates, where mobs are easy to rouse.

So yes, imo another example of Blacksmiths' present state of mind. Not good

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 25 Nov - 13:38

I thought that dreadful image was likely to be from the Middle East, some parts of which don't seem to have left the 15th century yet, let alone the 20th.

I am certainly against elements of the media whipping up a frenzy about paedophiles as they did when they published names and addresses of people with such convictions.

I think however that we can safely say that certain paedophiles - those in high places, as opposed to easy targets like Raymond Howlett - will never have to worry about being "outed" or arrested.

I thought that before the recent TV programmes debacle and what happened there has reinforced my opinion.

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Post  Lioned on Sun 25 Nov - 20:02

Blacksmiths vitriolic and illogical rant suggests to me that
a) he has been drinking too much and
b) he has some empathy with mcalpine along the lines suggested by ldl.

I have seen something quite similar on another forum where a member 'went off on one' on a Saville thread refusing to hear any ill of Saville he later poured his heart out about being accused of kiddie fiddling some years ago and continues to defend 'the innocent till proven guilty' to the point where he'll never accept saville's done anything wrong unless he 'see's pictures'.

Blacksmith is mentally unhinged and LDL I think you are spot on actually.

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Post  kitti on Mon 26 Nov - 7:36

Thank god we are not like the Mccanns as they have tried and are still trying to ruin a man and his family to the extent that it has made The man ill.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 26 Nov - 8:51

Amen to that Kitti and it also says a lot about the McCanns that they have never publicly condemned the behaviour of the sewer element (Muratfan, Bonnybraes, Jayelles etc) of their supporters. I'd be appalled to have foul-mouthed morons giving me their backing.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Mon 26 Nov - 13:01

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Amen to that Kitti and it also says a lot about the McCanns that they have never publicly condemned the behaviour of the sewer element (Muratfan, Bonnybraes, Jayelles etc) of their supporters. I'd be appalled to have foul-mouthed morons giving me their backing.

i ignore that lot now they are nothing but old paranoid fishwives

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Post  malena stool on Mon 26 Nov - 19:20

Justiceforallkids wrote:
Not Born Yesterday wrote:Amen to that Kitti and it also says a lot about the McCanns that they have never publicly condemned the behaviour of the sewer element (Muratfan, Bonnybraes, Jayelles etc) of their supporters. I'd be appalled to have foul-mouthed morons giving me their backing.

i ignore that lot now they are nothing but old paranoid fishwives
The McCanns are so strapped for true friendship they'll suckle up to any old bag with a black pointed hat who'll give them the time of day.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Mon 26 Nov - 20:23

That is the exact image I have of Bonnybraes!

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Post  malena stool on Mon 26 Nov - 20:55

I've always wanted a child, I think I'll have one... on toast! Cackle Cackle

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