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Post  Panda on Thu 29 Nov - 11:43


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  1. Cameron will pay a heavy price for the feebleness of his whips

The PM’s haughty disregard of his own party is reminiscent of Tony Blair at his peak








Sir George Young, the latest Chief Whip, "has so far appeared incapable". Eight MPs are now reported to be in secret talks with Ukip, and the Nadine Dorries business shows an extraordinary failure of grip Photo: Eddie Mulholland






By Peter Oborne

8:20PM GMT 28 Nov 2012

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When I became a parliamentary reporter approximately 20 years ago, the chief whip was a disagreeable man called Alastair Goodlad. I used to enjoy watching him paddling, never at more than one and a half miles an hour, out of the Conservative Whip’s Office, across the members’ lobby, into the Commons chamber. He never answered questions. The best you got was a grunt. Only once did I extract a sequence of words out of Goodlad. I was wearing a pair of brown shoes. The chief whip’s eyes very slightly bulged: “Goin’ rattin’?”


I resolved to write a profile of Goodlad. A wall of silence was erected. I persisted, and after some time an envoy asked to see me. Over a glass of whisky this emissary told me nothing except to state, in vivid terms, that if Mr Goodlad disliked the profile my job as a political journalist would at once become extremely difficult.


I always suspected that there was less to Alastair (now Lord) Goodlad than met the eye. Nevertheless, he remains the last government chief whip who can be compared with Francis Urquhart, the sinister anti-hero of Michael Dobbs’s enjoyable series of novels about late 20th-century parliamentary life. Goodlad knew how to exude menace. He commanded the respect of the prime minister, while his office ran an impressive intelligence operation that kept the minority Major government in power right up to the last moment.


When Tony Blair became prime minister in 1997, the government Whip’s Office was to all intents and purposes dismantled. Mr Blair appointed a string of second- and third-rate chief whips, none of whom commanded the trust of Downing Street or the respect of the Commons. Of great importance was the way Mr Blair appropriated to himself almost all the powers of patronage which had historically been vested in the whips – above all control over junior ministerial appointments and distribution of political honours.


The whips were also removed from their traditional base, the splendid Georgian mansion at No 12 Downing Street, and parked instead in temporary accommodation inside the Cabinet Office. Meanwhile, the prime minister’s media operation took over No 12, an extremely important public statement that the prime minister’s senior press officer, and not the chief whip, had become the primary agent of political enforcement and control. Errant ministers and MPs were from this point disciplined through media leaks and secret briefings, while the traditional Whip’s Office fell into irrelevance. Popular portraits of the workings of government quickly picked up the change. The anti-hero of the television satire The Thick of It is a deranged spin-doctor, no longer the chief whip.



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This was the arrangement when David Cameron became Prime Minister in the early summer of 2010. I hoped and expected Mr Cameron to revert to the traditional system, and to begin with there were signals that he might indeed do so. The whips, for example, were informed that they would soon be relocated to No 12, which was then undergoing refurbishment. But this never happened: No 12 was duly captured by Andy Coulson, the former News of the World editor who had been appointed director of communications, and is today facing a battery of criminal charges. It soon became obvious that David Cameron, just like Tony Blair, had resolved to govern through a Downing Street clique and could not care less for the parliamentary party.

It is now obvious that this was a grave mistake. Though constitutionally distasteful, there was some sense about Tony Blair’s resolve to govern without serious reference to his MPs. He enjoyed such a large majority, and the wider Labour movement felt such profound gratitude for being in power, that traditional techniques of party management could, for the time being, be safely ignored.

But this has never been true since 2010. The Conservative Party is in a minority in the Commons, and rather than gratitude its MPs feel a sullen resentment at being forced to share power with the Liberal Democrats. The situation today is therefore much closer to the mid-Nineties, when Mr Goodlad was at his taciturn peak and the government clung on through one touch-and-go late-night division after another, than it is to the heady years of New Labour.

The Lib-Lab pact of 1977-8, when matters were so desperate that nobody knew when the government might fall, is a yet closer analogy. Jim Callaghan’s embattled government boasted the services of chief whip Michael Cocks and his even more thuggish (if that were possible) deputy Walter Harrison, who died in October. This House, a superb play currently showing at the National Theatre, tells what life was like in those years. Their methods were unpleasant and often disgraceful, but Cocks and Harrison knew the Labour Party like the back of their hands.

Yet the Prime Minister, it appears, has not woken up. He carries on with the same haughty disregard as Tony Blair at his peak. Let’s take the case of the recent reshuffle. A traditional Conservative chief whip would have been centrally involved. Members of the Whip’s Office sit in on every debate, marking down how well the minister has performed, who has spoken well, who has been disloyal, who has shown talent from the back benches. All this gets noted, discussed at the following morning’s meeting, and in due course used to form the basis of all ministerial promotions and demotions short of Cabinet level.

Last September, I am told, the outgoing chief whip, Patrick McLoughlin, was scarcely canvassed, and promotions were handed to those who had caught the eye of the Prime Minister and the Chancellor. This level of personal patronage explains, for example, the otherwise baffling promotion of Mr Osborne’s favourites, Elizabeth Truss and the talentless Matthew Hancock.

Almost as amazing was the treatment of junior whips. Under the traditional arrangements there was a deal: serve out two years of drudgery and anonymity and in return they were guaranteed a ministerial job. Six whips were sacked in September; only three promoted.

More recent events provide fresh cause for alarm. Sir George Young, the latest Chief Whip, has so far appeared incapable. Eight MPs are now reported to be in secret talks with Ukip, suggesting that the once famed Whip’s Office intelligence operation has collapsed. The Nadine Dorries business shows an extraordinary failure of grip. Her expenses returns stunk, she has shown persistent disloyalty to the Prime Minister – on one occasion calling for him to be “killed” – and dereliction of duty by abandoning her job to take part in a television show. Any chief whip with an ounce of guts or moral principle would have slung her out. Hapless Sir George dithered.

In recent months, two votes have been lost, and the situation will get worse as the Coalition disintegrates. Difficult challenges lie ahead: Leveson, the Autumn Statement, the European budget. The Prime Minister desperately needs a first-class whipping operation, and is starting to pay a heavy price for his very culpable failure to pay attention to party management. A significant minority of MPs are no longer frightened to rebel: certainly more than 42, the number needed to mount a leadership challenge. Before long it will be too late.

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Re: Will Cameron last as PM until Election 2015

Post  Angelina on Thu 29 Nov - 22:31

He's a bloody shambles and so are his cronies. Time he kicked some of them out, starting with Osborne. What a hopeless bunch and even worse, there's no alternative except Labour. Been there, done that...wish we hadn't!

We are done for.

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Re: Will Cameron last as PM until Election 2015

Post  Panda on Thu 29 Nov - 22:52

Angelina wrote:He's a bloody shambles and so are his cronies. Time he kicked some of them out, starting with Osborne. What a hopeless bunch and even worse, there's no alternative except Labour. Been there, done that...wish we hadn't!

We are done for.

Hi Angelina, there is not ONE Government Dept functioning well and Cameron plays to the gallery too much, thinking he is amassing kudos by listening to the people etc but of all the Politicians the only one who seems to have made strides is Vince Cable. Your'e right there is no alternative Government , no wonder Britain has one of the worst percentages for Elections, only 45% turn out to vote. I will be very surprised if Cameron lasts full term as PM he really has blown any chance of re-election over his friendship with Rebekah and Murdoch.

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Re: Will Cameron last as PM until Election 2015

Post  Panda on Fri 30 Nov - 21:06

Judging by some of the comments on sky........Cameron hasn't a clue.!!!

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Are newspapers running this country?
You would think by the comments made that they think they are?
Yes, their support definitely helps Governments .... but not surely at the price of the truth?
Newspapers are dying unfortunately, but their particular bad behaviour seems to have got away with murder and endorsed by a flailing Prime Minister who is running out of friends daily.
Everyone was asked. A top quality judge appointed. He made his recommendations after hearing so many complaints made about the press. He made it clear.

And the Prime Minister ignores it and goes in the opposite direction because it might harm him and his party? How many Eton boys are on the Press then? It seems to me that the country is being played by a load of cheating wealthy people who have fixed the outcome? It's a very big nasty game full of nasty people.

Come on Rebakah spill..... what do you have 'on' Cameron?

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Surely if the PM is not prepared to listen and take the action recommended by the report HE requested then surely a) he personally should repay the FULL cost of the report, b) do the homourable thing and resign and c) as a country we call for an emergency election with a vote of NO confidence as he seems to have lost his marbles and NOT listening to the general public.

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Just remember that we ordinary members of the public are just as much 'potential' victims of the filthy sordid out of control British press as those in public life.

If for any reason you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and circumstances thrust you into a world of pain and confusion the scum that control the propaganda sheets will gladly double your troubles for the sake of profit because they know you won't have the power connections or resources to fight back!!

The British press does not serve the British people! it serves their billionaire proprietors and the politicians they own!
The mention of one name should be enough to hammer the final nail into the rotten heart of this corrupt institution once and for all..

MURDOCH!!

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I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
We don't and will never need a new law put into place and I think that the Prime Minister is spot on. There are all ready enough laws in place to protect the innocent, all that is really needed is the enforcement of them by someone like Ofcom.
What's the old adage? If you haven't done anything wrong then you don't have anything to fear or hide.

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I am really shocked at the people who would want a law to regulate our press. I might not agree with their methods all the time, however I would far rather have a press who were free to investigate stories than be controlled by courts and whoever happens to be in government at the time.

If you want to see a press that is controlled by laws go to China, Russia etc - is this what people really want???

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Be a good idea if one of those victims stood in Cameron's constituency come 2015!

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Very good idea !lets sign it in our millions ! why does Cameron not want a law?

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Dave has painted himself into another corner and alienated another group of citizens, he really does have a knack for it .

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i am still waiting for their missing 50 questions to be answered.. but thats what scares cameron, if you have people who can dig into the facts, find all your dirty little secrets and publish them, no wonder he is too scared to act... can you imagine if he carried out the reports recommendations? the press would hang him before the law came into being.

we already have so much that is not allowed to be seen by the public. and i do not mean those who try and use the law to hide behind their mis-deeds.

D- notice, official secrets, top secret, inter government meetings, all these and a lot more are hidden from us.
why else was julian assange wanted so badly for a crime he did not even get charged for?
No government wants its people to know the truth, the whole and nothing but the truth. because we would see just how corrupt they really are...

if he tries to shut the press up, they will hang him. and he knows it.

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Its also worth remembering that this is the same David Cameron that wanted LESS regulation on the Banks than Labour did..! So what sort of mess would we have been in then ?Trying to look after his old paymasters..stinks to high heaven...Amazed we havent had the Leveson defence..cant remember..wasnt there..not my domain..!

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I seem to have missed something here. Didn't the McCanns' along with their publicist milk the press for all were worth until questions were asked that they did not want to answer ?.

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The arguments on here boils down to Free Press or Not a Free Press.
Well after all their shenanigans i say NOT A FREE PRESS

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I don't think the authorities are giving full credit to the newspaper buying public. The controversy over the phone hacking, did in finality cause a well established high circulation newspaper (NOW), to be closed. Nobody would suggest that such a drastic penalty could even be considered by a new regulatory body. A belated police investigation exposed the hacking, so perhaps a more vigilant approach to the manner of newspaper investigation methods would keep them in check.

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Re: Will Cameron last as PM until Election 2015

Post  Panda on Wed 5 Dec - 7:44

David Cameron ordered to stop saying NHS spending is up


David Cameron and Jeremy Hunt have been ordered to stop claiming that NHS spending has increased after the official statistics watchdog found health funds had fallen.









NHS spending is lower, not higher, the UK Statistics Authority has told Jeremy Hunt Photo: GETTY IMAGES



By Tim Ross, Political Correspondent

7:44PM GMT 04 Dec 2012





Mr Hunt, the Health Secretary, should “clarify” claims that expenditure on the NHS had risen in “real terms” every year under the Coalition, the UK Statistics Authority said.


The chairman of the authority, Andrew Dilnot, issued the rebuke after upholding a complaint by Labour about statements by the Prime Minister and other senior Tories.


Labour demanded that Mr Cameron correct his “misleading boasts” about protecting NHS resources.


Mr Dilnot’s letter will be a blow to Mr Cameron, who repeatedly promised to protect the NHS in the run up to the last general election and in numerous public statements since.


The health service is seen as one of the Conservatives’ most vulnerable policies after sweeping reforms to the structure of the NHS met with widespread opposition from medical professionals.


The reforms eventually became law earlier this year, but only after a bruising fight that forced an unprecedented “pause” in the progress of the Bill through Parliament.

Labour complained to the UK Statistics Authority about various statements made by the Prime Minister, Mr Hunt and the Conservative Party claiming “real-terms”, above-inflation increases in spending on the NHS under the Coalition.

In a letter to Mr Hunt, which was copied to the Cabinet Secretary, Mr Dilnot said a detailed analysis of the best-available Treasury data suggested that real-terms health spending was lower in 2011/12 than in 2009/10.

At best, he concluded, because of the small size of the changes and uncertainties surrounding them, it might be fairer to say spending had “changed very little” under the Coalition.

That was despite the Health Secretary telling the Commons in October that "real-terms spending on the NHS has increased across the country".

The Conservative Party website also stated that the Government had increased the NHS budget "in real terms in each of the last two years".

Mr Dilnot wrote: “In light of this, I should be grateful if the Department of Health could clarify the statements made.”

Andy Burnham, Labour’s shadow health secretary, demanded that Mr Cameron appear in the Commons to correct his “misleading boasts”.

“David Cameron famously promised he would cut the deficit, not the NHS,” Mr Burnham said. “We now have it in black and white: he has cut the NHS, not the deficit. The Prime Minister must come to the House of Commons at the earliest opportunity and correct the record.”

Mr Dilnot said he accepted that there were “questions of definition” and that different sources, including the Department of Health's annual accounts and Treasury public expenditure figures were “not necessarily exactly the same”.

But he said the authority’s calculations were based on what he considered “the most authoritative source” of national statistics on the subject - the Treasury's Public Spending Statistics.

Those figures had been cited in a previous Department of Health press release in July 2012, he noted.

“On the basis of these figures, we would conclude that expenditure on the NHS in real terms was lower in 2011-12 than it was in 2009-10.”

Mr Hunt is expected to challenge Mr Dilnot’s findings and write back to the authority. A Whitehall source claimed Mr Dilnot had taken the wrong baseline year for comparing health spending and that the fall reflected Labour's spending cuts, not Coalition decisions.

A spokesman for the Department of Health said: "The 2010-11 year should not be used a baseline for NHS spending because the budget and spending plans were set in place by the previous government.

"For the first year of this Government's spending review, as Andrew Dilnot acknowledges, NHS spending increased in real terms compared to the previous year by 0.1%. The NHS budget will continue to increase in real terms during every year of the current spending review settlement."‪


Cameron cannot put a foot right can he???? What are the odds he will not be leading the Conservative party at the next election.




























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Re: Will Cameron last as PM until Election 2015

Post  malena stool on Wed 5 Dec - 20:20

Looking at the selection of drooling ingrates, who is there to replace him?

There are no politicians worth their pay in the entire Parliament. All are demonstrably corrupt or liars or both, many have police records or reputably have outstanding warrants for some criminal offence or another. I have, as have many on MM site needed CRB checks to obtain work posts.

The degenerates who pass themselves off as our representatives in this hell hole country don't need a CRB, it's just as well for them because they'd fail every time.

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Post  Panda on Wed 5 Dec - 21:15

malena, I think the Blair years did most of the damage and because the British electorate don't even get a courtesy visit from their prospective MP , just a leaflet through the letterbox, electing a Leader has little interest for the population which is why only 45% vote.

I know everyone thinks I am mad suggesting Boris but behind the buffoonery is a razor sharp mind, he wasn't voted President of the Students Union because he was dim. I think his 3 important attributes are:-

1. He is very popular with the Public , they love it that he can make a fool of himself

2. He is against a 3rd Runway for Heathrow and that will please a lot of people

3. His part as Mayor of London in making such a success of the Olympics should not go unnoticed.

4. While he was in India recently he managed to get agreement for 2 Indian Films to be made in London and had trade talks with the Government .......what has the Government Trade Minister achieved.? Boris says the emerging markets are very important and trade links should be formed NOW for when the recession ends.

Anyway, Cameron is a lame duck now so who is there in the Cabinet worthy of becoming PM?



We shall see.

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Post  Panda on Sat 8 Dec - 16:07

Now Cameron has put both feet in it........almost like he wants to be ousted as PM. His latest offering is to state he wants same sex marriages in Church , which has outraged most of the Clergy and many backbenchers.

It.s like he is trying to gain respect from his Party and the Public but choosing all the wrong methods, a big sign of his weakness. I do think fear of Murdoch and what he could do is the reason Cameron balked at adopting the Leveson Report.

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Post  tigger on Sat 8 Dec - 16:31

I hope he does, the alternative isn't exactly enticing. It seems the tabloids don't like him, Murdoch certainly hasn't helped him the way he got Blair on the throne. Dont' forget Blair the Messiah is godfather to Murdoch's latest child.
(present at the baptising on the banks of the river Jordan - there's humility for you..)

Cameron isn't ideal, but the alternative is a lot worse. At least it's a prime minister who seems to love the country of his birth.

Don't forget who got us into this trouble in the first place, Blair, the saviour of humankind.

I once read a great curse in a Wodehouse novel: 'May his roses get greenfly, may his shoelaces become undone as he comes down the stairs, may the cook get mumps on the night of his big dinner party , may he get hiccups during his big speech - etc. '
Although I'm generally against curses, there's another one translated from the Welsh by Robert Graves

'May he wander stage by stage
On the same vain pilgrimage
Mile after mile, stile after stile
By each and every stile withal
May he catch his feet and fall
By each and every fall he take
May a bone within him break
And may the bone that breaks within
Not be for variations sake: now arm, now thigh, now back or shin
But always without fail: the neck!

Blair is mad, he has near ruined a perfectly well functioning country by allowing millions of immigrants in, starting wars etc. His darling wife has inflicted human rights laws on the British which take no account of the resident British as far as I can see. That pair should be in jail for the rest of their live.

All my sweet opinion of course......

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Re: Will Cameron last as PM until Election 2015

Post  Panda on Sat 8 Dec - 17:07

I like the Poem tigger

I can't think of any Politician offhand who would make a good Prime Minister , the Coalition may well break up and an election be forced.

Ed milliband's Brother has been giving a couple of interviews lately , I think he knows brother Ed hasn't got a hope in Hell, neither does Ed Balls or Tony Blair

I think I'll still settle for Boris., might even put a bet on now, the odds would be very good.

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David Cameron 'too busy' to tell business advisors they weren't needed


David Cameron has angered a group of business leaders after he was apparently “too busy” to sign letters that informed them he no longer required their advice.








David Cameron has 'upset' business leaders by 'sloppy' handling of a shake-up of his Business Advisory Panel Photo: AFP/Getty Images






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Company bosses were said to be “very upset” about the Prime Minister’s handling of the shake-up of his Business Advisory Panel, which they described as “sloppy” and “bizarre”.


Industry leaders heard indirectly that some members of the Advisory Panel would be leaving and new ones appointed. One member was told that the Prime Minister wanted to tell the business leaders himself but had been “too busy” to sign notification letters before the list was leaked.


Justin King, chief executive of J Sainsbury, Diageo boss Paul Walsh, Sam Laidlaw of Centrica, WPP chief Sir Martin Sorrell, and Sir Mike Rake, chairman of easyJet and BT, are thought to be giving up their positions, having advised the Prime Minister for over two years.


Downing Street declined to comment except to say that the shake-up of the Advisory Panel, which was first formed in 2010, was routine and the new list would be announced shortly. A spokesman said: “Membership of the Business Advisory Group is continually reviewed to ensure that a range of business leaders with a variety of experiences can provide advice to the Prime Minister on critical business and economic issues as the UK competes in the global race.”


One member of the Advisory Panel said: “The fact is the group was too big – 16 egos meeting four times a year was probably not the way to do it. But the handling of changes has been very sloppy.” Another added that it was “bizarre” that the shake-up followed criticism by the Advisory Panel of the Coalition’s strategies. “The message from the Advisory Panel was repeatedly coming out as 'stop wasting time on issue like House of Lords reform and gay marriage and focus on growth’,” said one member.


Margaret Hodge, chairman of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), added to the criticism by saying she felt it was “disturbing” that Eric Schmidt, the boss of Google, appeared to be retaining his position on the Advisory Panel “despite his claims that he is 'proud’ of Google’s tax avoidance scheme.”

Earlier this week Mr Schmidt said Google’s success in reducing its global tax bill by $2bn last year was “called capitalism” and he was “proud” of the company’s approach. Ms Hodge said Mr Schmidt’s comments were “arrogant, out of touch and an insult to his customers in the UK.” Google declined to comment.

Mr Cameron established the Advisory Panel to give “regular, high-level advice on critical business and economic issues ”. One member said: “All of us have seen our role as apolitical but with a responsibility to help generate economic growth and more jobs.”

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Cameron really knows how to win friends and influence people!!!!! He is proving to be very ineffectual as a PM .

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Post  jd16 on Sat 15 Dec - 7:43

Margaret Hodge, chairman of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), added to the criticism by saying she felt it was “disturbing” that Eric Schmidt, the boss of Google, appeared to be retaining his position on the Advisory Panel “despite his claims that he is 'proud’ of Google’s tax avoidance scheme.”

Thats a bl**dy cheek coming from Margaret Hodge (Oppenheimer)!!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/jennymccartney/3555653/Ask-Margaret-Hodge-how-horrors-can-hide.html

"All right-thinking people like to imagine, when hearing stories of the maltreatment of children, that they themselves would guarantee sanctuary. But often they simply don't. A senior social worker, Liz Davies, and her manager, David Cofie, first told Margaret Hodge, then leader of Islington council, in 1990 of their suspicions that there was widespread sexual abuse of children in Islington care homes. Ms Hodge instead believed senior officials who assured her that nothing was the matter. In 1992, the London Evening Standard published extensive evidence of the abuse, which Ms Hodge denounced as "a sensationalist piece of gutter journalism". In 1995, an independent report found that the council had indeed failed to investigate the allegations properly. In 2003, Tony Blair appointed Ms Hodge the first ever Minister for Children. Some questioned her suitability, including a courageous and articulate man called Demetrious Panton who had been sexually abused in an Islington care home in the late 1970s and whose attempts to expose what was happening had been repeatedly ignored.Ms Hodge wrote privately to the BBC describing Mr Panton as "extremely disturbed", a remark for which she was later compelled to apologise in the High Court. The first person to categorise Panton as "disturbed" was the paedophile boss of his children's home, Bernie Bain, a man later described by police as "a brutal sexual abuser": Panton was 10 at the time."

.....And just by a freak coincidence Margaret Hodge's nephew, Philip Martin Edmonds, was staying at the Ocean Club the week Maddie went missing in 2007. In fact he cut short his stay there and told Stephen Carpenter around 7pm on the night of May 3rd in the Tapas Bar that he was catching a plane to Switzerland the next morning cutting short his holiday by a day. He didn't seem to have checked out either


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Thanks jd16......and there was I thinking how well Margaret Hodge was doing in the Public Accounts Committee for taking on all these Tax avoidance Companies.!!!!!!

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Panda wrote:Thanks jd16......and there was I thinking how well Margaret Hodge was doing in the Public Accounts Committee for taking on all these Tax avoidance Companies.!!!!!!

Margaret Eve Hodge was born Margaret Oppenheimer 68 years ago in Cairo, the daughter of a millionaire German Jewish high-Tory steel trader and his Austrian wife. Educated at Oxford high school for girls, and the London School of Economics, she chose not to work when her four children - now 32 to 22 - were young. But in 1973, she joined Islington council, north London, becoming its fiercely leftwing leader for a turbulent decade from 1982. With a house in the same street as the Blairs, a lawyer husband who employed a young Cherie Booth, and an ex-husband married to Jack Straw's first wife, her Blairite connections are impeccable. Her political transformation - condemned expediency by some leftwingers - was cemented when, as the new MP for Barking, she co-nominated Mr Blair for party leader in 1994.

Margaret Hodge, minister for children, must have been hoping the furore over her description of a former child abuse victim, Demetrious Panton, as an "extremely disturbed person" would have been quashed on Wednesday with a formal apology in the high court and £30,000 payment. Was it right that someone who tried to "bully her way out of trouble should still be minister for children?" asked Michael Howard.

A backbencher said. "She's ruthlessly ambitious and seen as insincere. It's ludicruous to claim she wasn't aware of child abuse in the early 90s, and I just question why she wasn't listening to the children. That apology was motivated by political expediency and people don't see how she can survive."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/nov/21/childrensservices.schools

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Thanks jd16......anyone connected to Blair HAS to be suspect, how could Ed Milliband even think of employing him as a strategist for Labour to win the next election???

We are talking about the same Margaret Hodge are we? The one I saw on T.V. doesn't look 68 yrs of age.

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Post  jd16 on Sat 15 Dec - 10:16

Panda wrote:Thanks jd16......anyone connected to Blair HAS to be suspect, how could Ed Milliband even think of employing him as a strategist for Labour to win the next election???

We are talking about the same Margaret Hodge are we? The one I saw on T.V. doesn't look 68 yrs of age.

I assume it is the same Margaret Hodge, Ive not seen the TV footage. I totally agree anyone connected to Bliar has to be suspect. The horrors and destruction he and his wife brought to this country for his personal legacy makes me have convulsions. Just proves that if you have the PR and a a smile you can defraud anyone

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jd16 wrote:
Panda wrote:Thanks jd16......anyone connected to Blair HAS to be suspect, how could Ed Milliband even think of employing him as a strategist for Labour to win the next election???

We are talking about the same Margaret Hodge are we? The one I saw on T.V. doesn't look 68 yrs of age.

I assume it is the same Margaret Hodge, Ive not seen the TV footage. I totally agree anyone connected to Bliar has to be suspect. The horrors and destruction he and his wife brought to this country for his personal legacy makes me have convulsions. Just proves that if you have the PR and a a smile you can defraud anyone

"Things can only get better" was the anthem of New Labour......between Blair and Brown Britain has become corrupt in every Government Dept.

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On the Politics show this morning the discussion was about Cameron and how he is digging himself into a hole with all these changes he wants to make and he is alienating himself from his Party. There was talk that he is concious of his background whereas Boris is comfortable with his. Also, the spats between Cameron and Ed milliband which are damaging to both . A psychotherapist said if you watch them , Cameron loses his temper and takes a drink of water to calm himself, Milliband points his finger when he is riled. In the meantime the coalition is looking very shaky and the LIbdems are losing voters so expect a change of leadership before the next election.

The Latest News that Cameron did not gain any concessions at the EC two day meeting and agreed to a European Army will horrify everyone. How can 27 Countries provide equal manpower and weaponry? Who is going to pay for this???

Britain is not well liked and Cameron is no Maggie Thatcher so let's have a referendum NOW.

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David Cameron commits to fighting 2015 election on anti-Europe ticket


The Conservatives will fight the next general election on a strongly anti-Europe ticket, David Cameron told his MPs on Wednesday night.








David Cameron told his MPs: 'I want you all to be absolutely clear - we will go into the next election with a clear Eurosceptic position.' Photo: Thierry Roge/EPA






By Christopher Hope, Senior Political Correspondent

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The party will also install paid campaigners in the top 40 constitutencies the party needs to win a Commons majority at the next general election, expected in May 2015. Many of them are held by Liberal Democrat MPs.


The Prime Minister told a meeting of his backbench MPs in the House of Commons that the Tories would fight the election on Eurosceptic policies.


To loud banging of desks, he told the 1922 Committee the party had to get "the big calls right" and there was no bigger call than the decision the party had to make on Europe.


He said: “I want you all to be absolutely clear - we will go into the next election with a clear Eurosceptic position. It will clearly be in tune with the British people, we will be the ones offering the British people a genuine change and a genuine choice.”


He said that he wanted to “grab the opportunity” to win a clear mandate at the next election to reshape Britain’s relationship with Europe.


The comments will be seen an answer to the surge in the polls by the UK Independence Party, which has prompted some MPs to urge the leadership to make overtures to eurosceptic supporters.

Last month Ukip's treasurer Stuart Wheeler told The Daily Telegraph that as many as eight Tory MPs could defect to the eurosceptic party. Mr Wheeler said he had passed their details to Ukip leader Nigel Farage.

Mr Cameron, in his final meeting with his own party’s MPs of the year, made clear that he was putting the party on a war footing for the next election.

He told the MPs: “We are going to have a paid campaigner in every one of those 40 seats we have to win.” To cheers, he told his party that he wanted his ministers to start campaigning, rather than get too used to the comfort of their offices in Whitehall.

Mr Cameron told the MPs that his ministers had to remember “they are campaigners and not just holders of red boxes”.

He stressed that the Tories could beat Labour as long as they stayed united, insiting that Labour’s “worst nightmare” was “a strong and unified Conservative party”.

He pointed out that in areas such as the leadership, the economy and tackling the deficit “we have a lead that will mean we can win”. Labour was “on the wrong side of” public opinion over welfare, Europe and education, he said.

After the meeting senior Eurosceptic Conservative MPs welcomed Mr Cameron’s comments but said they wanted to see them backed up by firm action.

A long expected speech on Europe from Mr Cameron, in which he will set out his vision for Britain’s relationship with the European Union, has been repeatedly delayed and is now expected next month

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What a bl***y coward this Man is "kick the can down the road" as the Americans say. He is spineless and I hope the Conservatives lose the next Election.

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Post  Panda on Wed 26 Dec - 23:25

He said that he wanted to “grab the opportunity” to win a clear mandate at the next election to reshape Britain’s relationship with Europe."

Very presumtious to assume he will lead the Party into the next election .!!!!1 Cameron is damaged goods because of his relationship with Murdoch and Brooks. Also, he has no leadership qualities the appointment of his Cabinet has not provided ONE Minister who is doing a good job in his Department.


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David Cameron 'Does God' This Christmas


The Prime Minister's Christmas message this year praises Britain's forces abroad - and carries a strong religious theme.


11:51am UK, Monday 24 December 2012

Mr Cameron visited troops on tour in Helmand last week








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    On a cold and frosty starlit night in Afghanistan last week, I stood near David Cameron as he joined British troops at a moving carol service in the desert. It really was the bleak mid-winter.

    A few days later, on Christmas Eve, the Prime Minister has issued a Christmas message - his first since becoming PM - which not only praises Britain's forces serving abroad but also has a strong religious theme.

    "Christmas gives us the opportunity to remember the Christmas story - the story about the birth of Jesus Christ and the hope that he brings to the countless millions who follow him," he says, before going on to quote St John's Gospel.

    Then he concludes: "I would like to pay particular tribute to our brave service men and women who are overseas helping bring safety and security to all of us at home; their families who cannot be with them over the holidays; and to all the dedicated men and women in the emergency services."

    Besides being the most overtly Christian message we have heard from a recent British Prime Minister, these are the strongest religious remarks we have ever heard from Mr Cameron.

    In 2008, in an interview with The Guardian, he said: "I am a sort of typical member of the Church of England. As Boris Johnson once said, his religious faith is a bit like the reception for Magic FM in the Chilterns: It sort of comes and goes."

    We're not used to our Prime Ministers being so religious in this country, unlike in the United States, where President Obama speaks regularly about his Christian faith.

    In 2003, Alastair Campbell notoriously interrupted an interview with Tony Blair to prevent him from answering a question about his Christianity. "We don't do God," Campbell snorted.

    Earlier in 1991, John Major provoked much comment when he ended a TV broadcast during the first Gulf War with the words: "Goodnight. And God bless."

    So why the sudden religious tone from David Cameron?

    Well, firstly, he was clearly moved by his latest visit to Afghanistan, where he spent more time with British troops than he has on previous visits. On the long flight home from Oman - 10 hours - on an RAF C17 aircraft, he told me he had had the chance to talk to troops "from privates to generals" about their conditions and what it's like serving in Helmand at Christmas.

    On this trip he went not only to Camp Bastion but also to Camp Price and as well as singing carols with the troops during his two-day visit he ate meals with them and even played table football with them. It was Mr Cameron's 10th visit to Afghanistan, far more than any previous Prime Minister.

    But the Christian message and the quotation from the Gospel does look like a move to mend the strained relations with the Church of England, many of whose bishops are furious with him over the Government's plans for gay marriage. In the New Year, the PM faces a bruising clash with the bishops in the House of Lords as he battles to get his gay marriage proposals through Parliament.

    The former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Carey, has praised the Prime Minister for his Christmas message. But opponents of gay marriage are not impressed.

    The Bishop of Leicester, who has already attacked the gay marriage plans in the House of Lords, accuses Mr Cameron of being out of touch with "the vast majority of practising religious people".

    And the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Shrewsbury has said he will warn in his sermon at Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve of "new shadows cast by a Government pledged at its election to support the institution of marriage".

    He will declare: "The Prime Minister has decided without mandate, without any serious consultation to redefine the identity of marriage itself, the foundation of the family for all generations to come."

    Many Tory MPs would agree with that.

    It used to be said that the Church of England was "the Tory party at prayer", a view that was challenged in the 1980s when Margaret Thatcher had frequent clashes with a Church establishment that was often critical of her policies.

    This Christmas, it seems, the current Prime Minister is "at prayer" and "doing God".

    Merry Christmas from the Sky News political team!

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Cameron does it again.........a report saying the NHS is not functioning well sees him scuttle off to an NHS Hospital to talk to Staff and Patients and assure them the situation would improve.

It's not money the NHS needs , it is better use of it. For starters, Nurses who are trained by the NHS should not be a bank nurse, earning far more money than those Nurses who work full time in one Hospital.

Teaching young people to cook should not be part of the NHS but Schools . I worked P/Time during my chequered career, the jobs I have had you wouldn't believe.

Anyway the Clinic I worked in as a Receptionist opened up a Dept. called Sure Start and it was for single mothers who did not know how to cook., the Staff used to go to their homes and teach them how to make Shepherds Pie etc.

This is funny......I was Receptionist and dealt with the appointments for the various clinics at the centre and tick their names off as they came in.One day this Woman came in with her son , aged about 11 and gaver her name . I looked it up and said "Oh yes, that's the Eneurisis clinic just down the hall on your right. She said "No love, it's bed-wetting for my Son".

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David Cameron: I want to lead the country until at least 2020


David Cameron wants to serve as Prime Minister until at least 2020 to oversee a wave of new reforms including a renegotiation of Britain’s relationship with Europe, he reveals in an exclusive interview in today’s Sunday Telegraph.








The Prime Minister conceded that the Government’s introduction of same-sex marriage could have been better communicated Photo: Geoff Pugh for the Telegraph






By Robert Watts, Deputy Political Editor

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Mr Cameron said there would be no turning back on policies unpopular with his party’s grassroots, such as same-sex marriage, the imminent child benefit cut for the better-off and the protection of foreign aid spending.


Mr Cameron also revealed that he is preparing a radical solution to the problem of deportation thwarted by the European Convention on Human Rights, notably the case of Abu Qatada, the Islamist terror suspect.


Under the proposed “deport first, appeal second” arrangement, deportees could only appeal while still in Britain if they faced “a real risk of serious, irreversible harm”.


Speaking to this newspaper’s political columnist Matthew d’Ancona, Mr Cameron for the first time signalled he would seek to serve a full-term if re-elected in 2015.


“Yes – look, I want to fight the next election, win the next election and serve – that is what I want to do,” he said, when asked if he would stay as Prime Minister until 2020.



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The Prime Minister rarely discusses his planned departure date, which has prompted speculation that if re-elected in 2015 he would stand down midway through the next Parliament, clearing the way for leadership contenders such as Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and George Osborne. However, such strategy is quashed in today’s interview.

Speaking on the eve of the Coalition’s Mid-Term Review, he urged critics within his party to “stop complaining” and recognise the importance of welfare, education and economic reforms being driven through by the Coalition. “This is an enormous reform agenda and that’s enough to keep us all busy,” he said.

Tomorrow’s Mid-Term Review will feature an audit of the Coalition’s achievements so far and a mini-manifesto of measures on pensions, social care and transport, many of which stretch into the next Parliament and beyond.

However, a speech by the Prime Minister later this month setting out his stance on Europe is being more keenly awaited by many Conservatives.

When asked about what he might say in the speech, Mr Cameron said: “What I’d say to Sunday Telegraph readers is 'I get it’. Britain has a role in Europe ... but we’re not happy with the way the relationship works at the moment and so we want change.”

He added that he and his party will be offering “real change” and a “genuine choice” at the next election on the European question. He stressed that Britain has a role to play as a trading nation in Europe, but that there is an “opportunity for us to insist on our own changes” to the European Union.

Mr Cameron also dismissed calls by some in his party to move to the Right to address the threat of the UK Independence Party (Ukip), which has picked up many disaffected Tory supporters and may even win the European elections later this year.

Some recent polls have put Ukip at 15 per cent of the vote, but the party has suffered many false dawns and has never won a parliamentary seat.

“In midterm in government you are taking difficult decision, there’s always going to be a tendency for people to look at protest,” he said.

“I don’t think my job is to try to identify different segments of people who going his way or that. My job is to steer the ship in the right direction.”

However, Mr Cameron acknowledged that it was “very difficult” taking away child benefit for those earning more than £60,000, adding: “Look, I have complete understanding for people who are having their family budgets changed and money taken away and if there is more we can do to make it easier for people, yes of course.”

The Prime Minister also conceded that the Government’s introduction of same-sex marriage could have been better communicated. “One of things we haven’t got across properly is this is what is going to happen in the registry office,” he said.

“This is about what the state does, this is the civil part of marriage. We’re not changing what happens in church or synagogue or mosque.”

Many Christians fear that churches may be forced to hold homosexual ceremonies after a challenge to the European Court of Human Rights. Mr Cameron maintains there are adequate safeguards to stop this happening.

However, Mr Cameron said understood the concerns of Tory supporters who feel he should be going further and faster on boosting the economy, controlling immigration or curbing the welfare state.

“When people temporarily leave you for another party I don’t think, well that’s that,” he added. “I think I understand why you’re frustrated and I want to try and win you back.”

Elsewhere in the interview Mr Cameron said he hoped Andrew Mitchell, the former chief whip who resigned amid the “Plebgate” affair, would return to Government in the future.

Mr Cameron’s long-term vision shows that the Conservatives are already starting to plan for the next election.

This weekend a group of 70 Conservative MPs, including the Cabinet ministers Michael Gove and David Willetts, publish an radical agenda of pro-business policies described by one minister as a “blueprint” for the party’s next general election manifesto.

The group were asked to draw up the policies by George Osborne, the Chancellor who leads the party’s election strategy.

The report suggests axing the retirement age to help more older people find work, lengthening the school day to help working parents and paying lower benefits to those who live in the North and other parts of the country where the cost of living is lower.

Greg Barker, the energy minister who oversaw the report, said that the paper aimed to signal a clear “sense of direction” of what the party would look to offer voters at the next election. “It essential that our party continues to remain with Mr Cameron in the centre ground of politics, that is what these policies intend to do,” he said.

However, the Prime Minister today faces criticism from one of his former Cabinet colleagues over the HS2 rail project. Cheryl Gillan, the former Welsh Secretary who lost her job in last September’s reshuffle, writes in this newspaper today that Mr Cameron has failed to grasp the detail of the proposed high-speed train link between London and the North.

Mrs Gillan described the £32bn scheme as a “cancer” that would drive up the cost of rail fares for commuters, who only last week endured an average 4.2 per cent rise in the cost of their season tickets.























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Camoron can wish for whatever he wants, but the fact remains that if he, and his cabinet of posh boy millionaires, continue to be so arrogant and out of touch as they currently are, then the chances of him staying in power till 2020 is about the same as the chances of a snowball in hell.

He needs to start listening to, and acting upon, the wishes of the greater majority of the people in this country. That includes
giving us a genuine In/Out referendum on membership of the EUSSR, as soon as possible; stopping the continued uncontrolled entry of illegal immigrants into this country, and the immediate expulsion of those already here. It also means that he, and his cabinet need to get rid of their strange obsession with homosexuals (incidentally, does anyone know just what percentage of our MPs are homosexuals?).

He also needs to sort out the failing (failed) NHS, and not just by throwing money at it; start prosecuting all the liars, thieves, crooks and charlatans in the House of Common Thieves; and stop taxing the ordinary man in the street into oblivion whilst letting corporations get away with contributing next to no tax.

If you don't start taking action on these points, and others of concern to the people Camoron, you will be picking up your P45 in 2015.














  • jpv624

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    I am a UK/US citizen and left the UK in 1994. Cameron a leader? Are you joking?

    Cameron and Osborne are so incompetent it is beyond belief. I wouldn't return to the UK for a million dollars.

    Just do basic research on Cameron, Clegg and Osborne, you'll soon discover how moronically stupid these men are.











  • robindick

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    There have been no radical reforms in Britain since the 1940s.

    We remain essentially a welfare state sacrificng growth in favour of state subsidies that remove the burden of personal choice in matters others societies take for granted viz; education, housing, health care and employment.

    The reforms heralded by Cameron are meaningless and offer nothing in the way of radical change but simply augur more social tinkering whilst ignoring the fundamental problem that we have a created an economy in which one cannot afford to live with any degree of confidence.

    True radicalism would be the acceptance that welfarism is an experiment that has failed. No society in the modern trading world can afford the luxury of rewarding a significant proportion of its population who contribute nothing with a life of leisure shielded from reality from the cradle to the grave. It's unsustainable and renders meaningless the efforts of those who strive to live a life independent of the state and who wish to assume a personal responsibility for their decisions.

    Every year we pay taxes that are poured into the maw of the welfare state that costs £700 billions annually. Public spending in any civilised society is necessary but this rate of expenditure demands fiscal chains of taxation strangling anyone trying to break free. True radicalism is needed but Cameron is proposing none that might distinguish him from any other enfeebled British politician.

    Dismantle the socialism that weakens rather than strengthens. That's reform for you. Slaughter the NHS monster, end free education for all, withdraw housing benefit, unemployment benefit to cease after 6 months, local taxation limited to the provision of sanitation and amenities only and the withdrawal of all family allowances is a start.

    In return, no taxation whatsoever on annual incomes below £15,000 and thereafter at the rate of 15% up to a £35,000 limit after which tax should be levied at 25%. VAT should be reduced to 10% but levied on any transaction and capital gains tax at the rate of 40% on all house sales with a one time relief for first time sellers limited to those domiciled in the UK. Social insurance should be compulsory but dedicated to the individual with matching contributions by the State and banded according to income levels. Those with medical conditions certified as incapacitating to be exempted from treatment charges and further contributions.

    Well, it's a beginning ...........













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    Stop complaining! You are not allowed to complain about anything in a modern democracy where no one is listening to you!!! Just stop it do you hear or else I will never be able to convince the plebs....er sorry I meant the people to vote for me!!!

    Policies? Oh them....yes of course we have some....I mean look at the major reforms we are undertaking such as allowing 2 blokes with funny handshakes to marry each other. There is one and another is giving all your money away to India and places which don't need it regardless that we haven't any of our own.

    I am strong because I can say no to the moaners and if I jump up and down hard enough and cry, then hopefully those horrible nasty people who disagree with me will all go away!!!





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    Cameron’s message is Tory, but his enemies have drowned it out



    By Benedict BroganPoliticsLast updated: January 21st, 2013

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    The PM is allowing his adversaries to define him: will the real party leader please stand up?

    David Cameron has been telling his colleagues that he wanted three things above all for Christmas: a onesie, the video of Gangnam Style, and Ed Balls confirmed as shadow chancellor until the election. “I only got one in the end,” he says, “but it was the one that counted.” Under pressure, Ed Miliband was forced to begin the year by removing the threat of a reshuffle he had briefly waved over his stronger rival. Mr Balls will continue to shape Labour’s economic policy, and the Prime Minister is delighted as a result. He might even be tempted to see it as a good omen, a sign that even in the bleakness of mid-term midwinter, he can still get a break.

    Mr Cameron starts 2013 trailing policy successes but personal uncertainty. His administration has chalked up an enviable record of achievement, but he continues to elude definition. He looks the part, nowhere more so than when navigating moments of international difficulty such as the Algeria crisis, yet the public wonder what he is for. His party worries that he may never be a winner.

    To his MPs and ministers, or at least to too many of them for it to be healthy, he is weak, rude and somewhat lazy. To those who want us out of Europe, he is the treacherous captain general of the In camp. His metropolitan fans love him for his black jeans, box-sets and dab way with slow-cooked pork; to his small circle of courtiers he is and always has been just faultless Dave. Labour has painted him as a reactionary toff, forcing him into sometimes silly contortions to minimise his privileged yet reassuringly unremarkable county background. The media tease him, rail against him and, like all the others with an interest in his success or failure, can’t quite pin David Cameron down. He in turn does little to answer the question, almost as if he doesn’t understand why it should matter who he is, when what he is preoccupied with is doing things. “There is nothing complicated about me,” he said in his under-appreciated speech to Tory conference last year. “I believe in working hard, caring for my family and serving my country.”

    If only it were that simple. This weekend saw another outburst of speculation about a possible plot – a Tory plot – to unseat Mr Cameron before the next election. His MPs are said to be collaborating in secret to produce the 47 signatures needed to put his future to a vote. It’s a wearisomely familiar refrain, and a fantasy. We can say with certainty that there will be no credible challenge of any sort mounted against Mr Cameron before May 2015, for the simple reason that it would fail outright, would make the Conservatives look even sillier than they are in danger of appearing, and – the vital ingredient – there is no Conservative capable, let alone willing, to mount such a challenge. Rule changes years ago sent the stalking horse to the knacker’s yard: a vote of confidence is required to bring him down, and he would win it, handsomely.

    You might argue that Boris Johnson is happily stalking Mr Cameron without troubling the Tory parliamentary party for permission. And indeed he is. Westminster is greatly enjoying the rumour that candidates have been told to keep clear of Croydon South, safe as houses and being vacated by the retirement of Richard Ottaway, because it has been quietly earmarked as a Commons re-entry vehicle for the Mayor of London. But he is too wily to risk the overt treachery needed to force the issue. Boris will bide his time, knowing that the merest flip of his fringe will secure him a seat.

    A significant number of Conservatives also say with certainty that the 2015 election is lost already. They stack up various arguments which – taken together – look depressingly like an inevitability: the lack of any Tory progress north of Watford; the persistent hostility of minority communities; the Labour bias of the electoral system; the catatonic state of the economy. The polls show the Tories to be moribund, and stuck behind Labour, which records enough support to guarantee it a healthy Commons majority (while ignoring polling that shows Cameron’s approval rating climbing and his popularity exceeding his party’s). No wonder Nick Clegg has been meeting in private with Mr Miliband for a spot of mutual admiration, and to plot how to defeat his own Government on the boundaries review. As power appears to shift Left, so do the Liberal Democrats.

    Those who want to can stack up plenty of evidence that it might get worse. Next month, Mr Cameron will make his MPs back him in legalising gay marriage. He says it’s a reform that is right in principle (he claims the safeguards put in place to protect religious freedom are strong enough), and politically helpful because it appeals to the young who need persuading to vote Tory. Up to 150 of his MPs are preparing to disagree by voting against him. He won’t be defeated, and he might secretly be glad of a chance to differentiate himself from his party, but it will be a thumping rebellion. Ditto the May local elections, when the Tories are banking on a predictable mid-term drubbing. That’s the moment favoured by his internal opponents to make maximum trouble.

    Then there is the immediate challenge of his Europe speech tomorrow. Putting aside the farcical circumstances of its genesis, he sorely needs it to be accepted by his colleagues and taken as a final word on the matter. The indications are that it will serve for now, but he has opened a debate about what he can and cannot achieve in Brussels that will dog him to the end of this parliament.

    Meanwhile, the Prime Minister is aware of the criticisms about his Downing Street operation, and changes are being drawn up. The respected Paul Kirby, who heads the policy unit, is to leave: having initially made the case for putting the Civil Service in charge, Mr Cameron is rediscovering an appetite for political appointees. Steve Hilton is said to be about to make a return, though likely on an ad-hoc basis. Mr Cameron is anxious to get the politics right, convinced that his successes so far – long-term pension reform, the cap on welfare, taking two million low earners out of tax altogether, freedom for schools – are worth defending from the risk of Labour unpicking them after 2015.

    Tory high command hopes it can rely on policy delivery, eventual economic recovery, Labour’s lack of credibility, and Mr Cameron’s seriousness to confound the doomsayers. But he will have to do more. If he is difficult to pin down it is because he is an uncomplicated, gut Conservative. His instinct is one of public service – honourable, admirable even, but not the kind of eye-catching quality that scores points in the accelerated world of 24-hour news and Twitter. His capacity to embody tradition yet accept the demands of modernity is the quality that successful British institutions have always shown, from the Army to Oxbridge colleges. That his charm is inconsistent or his ability to take criticism variable does not detract from the evident skills he brings to the role.

    Precisely because he is good and privileged and – as he famously told one interviewer – thinks he can do the job quite well, his failure to give a clear account of himself is no one’s fault but his own. Yet he has recorded achievements to be proud of. He now needs to persuade his party that he is worth fighting for. It’s not complicated, he said last year: what will get the nation through difficult times is hard work. His in particular.

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