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Post  Panda on Mon 3 Dec - 9:26

24 August 2012

Dear Data Protection,

We need evidence that this information : witness statements of Dr &
Mrs Payne, and the Dr Russel o'Brien and Jane Tanner's amended
statements have been sent by Leicestershire Constabulary to the Met
for the McCann Review. The reasoning behind this request for proof
lies in the fact that Leicestershire Constabulary, it is said, did
not forward this information onto the PJ - the Portuguese Police,
so how do we know they have forwarded it onto the Met?

Yours sincerely,

research-worldwide

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A long time ago through "what do they know" I asked for information on something to do with the McCanns , no surprise, I never got it. Just received an e-mail from WDTK asking if my request had been answered. Browsing on the site there were a few requests for info about the McCanns but this caught my interest because as you can see it is quite recent and had been ongoing for several months .Has anyone heard of Research Worldwide and more importantly , the info requested is specific so I find this intriguing.

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  LJC on Mon 3 Dec - 18:25

http://research-worldwide.com/

Is this the organisation you are thinking about Panda?

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  Panda on Mon 3 Dec - 22:29

LJC wrote:http://research-worldwide.com/

Is this the organisation you are thinking about Panda?

Looks like it LJC, a bit like whatdotheyknow........if a research organisation can't get information what chance have we got.????? America is far more open than Britain on the freedom of information act . look at the way Tony Blair was quick to slap a D notice on the Sunday Herald years ago .

I don't think anyones' sexual deviances are anybody's business personally except of course if they are pedophiles or having sex with under age children , but between two consenting adults it is their business.

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  Panda on Tue 4 Dec - 9:29

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccann-story-switch-duo-named-519794

Thanks to Annabel who pm'd this.

P.S. I tried to copy and paste this article but kept including lots of other Mirror News so gave up. If one of you clever members can just copy and paste the arrticle....feel free.

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  Guest on Tue 4 Dec - 10:28


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McCann story switch duo named
9 Nov 2007 00:00

The friends of the McCanns who allegedly want to alter their accounts of the night Madeleine vanished were named yesterday.






Madeleine McCann (PA)


The friends of the McCanns who allegedly want to alter their accounts of the night Madeleine vanished were named yesterday.

Newspaper 24 Horas said Dr Russell O'Brien and his partner Jane Tanner had contacted police to "correct" their statements.

Detectives leading the six month probe into the missing four-year-old said the move could lead to a major breakthrough.

A source was quoted as saying: "The investigation could be changed dramatically if the two witnesses decide to clarify what happened."

The paper said that Dr O'Brien, 36, and Ms Tanner, 37 - part of the socalled Tapas Nine - asked to be seen anonymously for fear of pressure by Kate and Gerry McCann's supporters.

Ms Tanner commented: "I'm sorry, I don't want to say anything."

But 24 Horas claimed the couple, from Exeter, Devon, want to change key parts of their statements - which could include Ms Tanner saying she saw a man carrying a child from the Ocean Club on May 3.

The paper said police were now certain she had not left the poolside restaurant during dinner.

Detectives have also queried Dr O'Brien's statement, including why he was absent from the meal for up to 45 minutes.

Other alleged "inconsistencies" include how much wine they had and childcare arrangements.

Kate and Gerry's spokesman Clarence Mitchell furiously denied Dr O'Brien and Ms Tanner had contacted the police.

He said: "They are categorically not the couple. There is no couple."

Eh? First they are not "the couple", and then there's "no" couple? In the same sentence? Own goal by Pinkie in the 90th minute!

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  Panda on Tue 4 Dec - 10:47

Thanks Iris, often when I copy and paste I get gobbledegook which only shows when pasted so i have to go back and edit to delete ...pain in the Bum it is.

Anyway, it is intriguing because Tanner says in the Panorama interview "I know what I saw" and that 45 minutes O'Brien went missing is suspect, was his child really sick?

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  HiDeHo on Tue 4 Dec - 12:14

Here is a compilation of articles on this subject...

Witness U Turns
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Individual-Topics/Witness-U-Turns-1-793787.html

However, there is something more recent that I haven't added. I will try to find it...

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  tigger on Tue 4 Dec - 12:45

David Smith tells us about a baby monitor used by JT and ROB which didn't surface until after the Rothley meeting around the 15th November, one week after the above news item.

In their PJ statements they state that they don't have one. After the Rothley meeting and the publicity re changing their statements, they do have one. The conversation in Unterdenteppichgekehrt is most interesting.
DS also adopts a certain McCannish tone in dealing with a member of the public.

http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.nl/search?q=david+smith

For some reason the text there is incredibly pale, if anyone can enhance it, the comments are in normal type. I remember it originally being in orange on black and perhaps the site owner reversed the colours to orange on white.

Here is a snippet from the above exchange which I saved some time ago:


Message: Dear Mr. Smith,

In your article "Kate and Gerry McCann: Beyond the smears", from 16th December 2007, you mention this fact: "Russell O’Brien
and Jane Tanner had brought a monitor too, but theirs wasn’t getting much of a signal from the Tapas restaurant 50 yards away."


D. Smith:
[...] however, I had a long briefing with Gerry McCann before I wrote my article and I guess the baby monitor info came from him. I am aware that many discrepancies arose in the portuguese statements through misunderstandings of language. And you ought to be aware that there will always be minor discrepancies of fact in statements - failings of memory, interpretation and so on - which are not in themselves sinister or suspicious.
unquote

The full question asked D Smith was:
The couple never mentioned to the PJ that they brought a monitor as well, in all their statements they claim that the Paynes were
the only ones with a baby monitor. Only in April 2008, in the rogatory interviews conducted by Leicestershire Police, this piece
of information appeared. It might seem a small omission, but in the light of possible neglect charges, would have been important.
Jane Tanner claims in the rogatory interview that she brought it with her in the evenings and positioned it on a ledge/wall behind
her. This was NEVER mentioned to portuguese Police as the released statements show. The question I have is, how did you
get this info before the rogatory interviews even took place? I know you have to protect sources, but this seems a very strange
inside knowledge.
unquote.

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  Panda on Tue 4 Dec - 14:14

"the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week"

This is part of a statement from one of the Nannies. The McCanns normally picked the children up at 5.30pm , on 3rd May Kate says she bathed the children put them in their pyjamas and gave them biscuits and milk Why would she need to feed them again when they had had dinner an hour before.? Also, to bathe three children and have them sitting on the settee by 6pm is pretty good going.

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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  BelEddie on Tue 4 Dec - 15:52

tigger wrote:David Smith tells us about a baby monitor used by JT and ROB which didn't surface until after the Rothley meeting around the 15th November, one week after the above news item.

In their PJ statements they state that they don't have one. After the Rothley meeting and the publicity re changing their statements, they do have one. The conversation in Unterdenteppichgekehrt is most interesting.
DS also adopts a certain McCannish tone in dealing with a member of the public.

http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.nl/search?q=david+smith

For some reason the text there is incredibly pale, if anyone can enhance it, the comments are in normal type. I remember it originally being in orange on black and perhaps the site owner reversed the colours to orange on white.

Here is a snippet from the above exchange which I saved some time ago:



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A conversation with the press

Article in Question: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3040094.ece


Message: Dear Mr. Smith,

In your article "Kate and Gerry McCann: Beyond the smears", from 16th December 2007, you mention this fact: "Russell O’Brien
and Jane Tanner had brought a monitor too, but theirs wasn’t getting much of a signal from the Tapas restaurant 50 yards away."

The couple never mentioned to the PJ that they brought a monitor as well, in all their statements they claim that the Paynes were
the only ones with a baby monitor. Only in April 2008, in the rogatory interviews conducted by Leicestershire Police, this piece
of information appeared. It might seem a small omission, but in the light of possible neglect charges, would have been important.
Jane Tanner claims in the rogatory interview that she brought it with her in the evenings and positioned it on a ledge/wall behind
her. This was NEVER mentioned to portuguese Police as the released statements show. The question I have is, how did you
get this info before the rogatory interviews even took place? I know you have to protect sources, but this seems a very strange
inside knowledge.

Thank you in advance.

Kind regards

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Who are you and what is your interest in this case?
David

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I am sorry if I have upset you... Well I gave my name, I am from Germany and I am interested in the case. Since the files have
been released I have been trying to build myself an opinion based solely on facts and no spin. I am in the possession of the
DVD with the released case files and have spent a lot of time with their analysis. That is why I came upon this rather curious
discrepancy regarding the baby monitor. There was a meeting of the McCanns and their friends in Rothley in November, and in
December your article was published with this "new" fact. I am just curious where it suddenly came from.

Regards

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No i am not upset. I just don't to fuel the web ghouls (i have no idea whether you are one of them or not...) who seem obsessed
with what i consider to be the grotesque idea that the mccanns or their friends did away with madeleine. In addition to the
further distress it must cause the mccanns and their friends on top of the devastating event that started it, I just feel it is a
complete waste of time and energy. That said, however, I had a long briefing with Gerry McCann before I wrote my article and
I guess the baby monitor info came from him. I am aware that many discrepancies arose in the portuguese statements through
misunderstandings of language. And you ought to be aware that there will always be minor discrepancies of fact in statements
- failings of memory, interpretation and so on - which are not in themselves sinister or suspicious.

One skill of good policing is sifting the wheat from the chaff and knowing what matters and what doesn't. I strongly suspect
the baby monitor issue lies in the latter category. As you will gather, I have every sympathy with the McCanns and no sympathy
with those who want to play amateur detective in public on the net with no apparent consideration for the McCanns' feelings.

I respect facts.

Rant over...

David

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Dear David,

thank you for the information about your source regarding the baby monitor. Allow me to add my 2c to the rest of your mail.

Last time I checked, the case was not solved, Madeleine had not turned up, and no evidence of an abduction had emerged.
If you are content with the current status quo that is your prerogative, but I am of the opinion that the death or disappearance
of a 3-year old girl should not simply be shelved after only a couple of months. To label all those that want explanations as
ghouls is a preferred method of the media, the McCanns and Clarence Mitchell to discredit and ridicule a thinking minority
that is in the possession of the casefiles. To ask questions is and should stay allowed in the light of so many discrepancies
that were revealed with the release of the police files. The emotional blackmail, that those questions "add to the distress of the
parents" is just an additional way to stop these questions.

I agree with you that the added fact of a second baby monitor, that never got mentioned in Portugal, is not important enough
to change the course of an investigation that is no longer open. Still it was deliberately added and even "translation issues"
cannot conceal the fact, that it was never mentioned to the Portuguese Police. The fact that the information was given to
you by the then "Arguido" Gerald McCann, published without confirmation, does not instil confidence in the rest of the
article.

But since you are of the opinion that sifting the wheat from the chaff is up to the police you are excused for not questioning
the details. I know I won't be granted another reply after my rant, but there is one question that I wanted to raise with a proper
journalist for ages.

The evidence of the Smith family from Ireland would have been the perfect "proof" for an abduction. A man carrying a "sleeping"
girl towards the rocky beach via dark roads. Between June (when the article was published for the first time in the Drogheda
Independent) and September (when Mr. Smith suddenly realised the man might have been Gerry McCann) it would have
enforced the abduction theory immensely. But this evidence was never used, neither by the McCanns nor by the british press.
No mention of it anywhere. While hundreds of sightings poured in from all over the world, this one sighting was never
mentioned. Why?

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Have a nice Sunday

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No, I won't let you get away with that. You are asking me to endorse or tolerate a world in which interfering outsiders blunder
around misinterpeting snippets of information and re-presenting them as suspicious facts, in reality half-facts.
I do broadly think it is the job of the police to investigate crimes. Those are the people we appoint to do it on our behalf.

The media's role is to examine, challenge and sometimes investigate too. I think those web ghouls are driven by prejudices
formed on the basis of...of what? Television appearances? How the McCanns appear to be? Most of those opinions about
them were formed long before the case file was released. There is also a sad desire to give weight to conspiracy theories.

On the basis of the hard established facts of the case - the way in which the characters' lives intersect that evening, after
Madeleine was last seen by anyone else - how many people would have to have known and been involved in the mccanns'
self-abducting or killing their own child? The police always start with motive. Every crime has a motive. What would be the
motive and what could be so great a motive it involved all that group of people and was capable of being seemingly indefinitely
concealed. What do you think, they were all paedophiles? Sex game enthusiasts? Child traffickers? Or merely agreed that
pretending an abduction had been committed was the best way of disguising an accidental calpol overdose?

Come on, get real. Find something useful to do - go and campaign against war crimes in rwanda or something -
and leave those poor people in peace. That is not emotional blackmail it is a recognition of their loss and an acceptance
of the reality that not a single plausible suspicious shred about them has emerged in all the months since.

All those delusional sites devoted to conspiracy theories about the mccanns are kind of repugnant.
I can't remember the detail of the smith sighting but surely it was quickly established it was not reliable or significant.

David

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By David James Smith: "I respect facts"

By David James Smith: "I can't remember the detail of the smith sighting but surely it was quickly established it was
not reliable or significant"

Britain's foremost crime writer you are called by the papers. Please do yourself a favour and check on the facts.
Nine people saw a man carrying a child in PdL at 21:50 on the 3rd of May and it was mentioned NOWHERE.
The Smiths were brought over to Portugal for a reconstruction with the PJ and were regarded as very credible witnesses
by the GARDA. The PJ regarded the sighting as very significant, so much so, that they were supposed to be brought
over again to Portugal just before Paulo Rebelo took over the investigation. The fact that you dismiss the Smith sighting,
imo the most crucial bit in the case, tells me you have not had a look in the actual police files. A pity But thanks for the
enlightening conversation

Have a nice remaining Sunday.

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Dienstag, 23. Februar 2010
Die Verleumdung des Robert Murat
Nach der Bestätigung der Klage gegen Jane Tanner einerseits und gegen die drei Tapasniks Rachael Oldfield, Fiona Payne und Russell O'Brien andererseits stellt sich die Frage auf welchen Fakten diese strafrechtlichen Klagen (NICHT Zivilklagen) beruhen.


Jane Tanner:
Sie war diejenige, die den angeblichen Entführer in direkter Laufrichtung zum Eingang von Robert Murats Haus gesehen hat. Obwohl der wahrscheinlichere Weg eines Entführers in Richtung der Smith Sichtung gewesen wäre, alleine schon weil er sich damit den hellen Straßenlaternen und den angeblichen 3 Personen auf der Straße entzogen hätte.

Nachdem Robert Murat in den Focus der Ermittlungen gerückt war, einerseits durch die Anschuldigungen dreier Tapasniks, andererseits durch eine frühere Kollegin von Clarence Mitchell, wurde Jane Tanner zu einer Art Gegenüberstellung gebeten, die scheinbar unter Regie der britischen Polizei stattfand. Daher haben wir über den genauen Ablauf keine Unterlagen in den Akten, da die Briten darauf bestanden ihre Ermittlungen nicht veröffentlicht zu sehen. Wir haben allerdings das Buch von Goncalo Amaral, der folgendes für den 13. Mai berichtet:

Die Zeugin Jane Tanner wird in ein Überwachungsfahrzeug gesetzt, in das von außen keine Einsicht möglich ist, so daß sie ungesehen bleibt. Das Fahrzeug wird dort geparkt, wo Jane Tanner nach ihren Angaben den Entführer mit dem Kind auf dem Arm gesehen haben will. Dann gehen Ermittler mit Robert Murat denselben Weg, den der Entführer genommen haben soll. Jane besteht darauf, Rober Murat als den Entführer wiederzuerkennen. Sie bestätigt, wegen der Gangart Murats keinerlei Zweifel zu haben.


Wie bereits gesagt, gibt es in den Akten keine Bestätigung über diese Untersuchungsmaßnahme der Briten und der PJ. Allerdings finden wir in den halboffiziellen Rogatory Interviews die Stelle wieder. In diesem Interview gegenüber der Leicestershire Polizei druckst Jane allerdings so herum, dass man keine Bestätigung heraushören kann. Sie erwähnt dort allerdings, dass sie Robert Murat kurz vor der Gegenüberstellung Auge in Auge gesehen hat und ihn zu dem Zeitpunkt nicht als Entführer erkannt habe.

Ich gehe davon aus, dass Robert Murat als Arguido Einblick in die belastenden Aussagen und Berichte hatte und aus diesem Grund auch den britischen Bericht zur Gegenüberstellung im Überwachungswagen kennt. Dieser wird die Basis für seine Klage sein.


Die drei Tapasniks:
Es gibt keine anderen Zeugen ausser den drei o.g. Personen, die Robert Murat am Abend/in der Nacht des 3. Mai am Ort des Verschwindens gesehen haben wollen. Nur die drei Freunde der McCanns sagen dies aus. Eine Angestellte des Ocean's Clubs schliesst eine Anwesenheit nicht aus, kann diese aber auch nicht bestätigen. Zeugen die Robert Murat besser kannten und am Abend vor Ort waren, sagen genauso wie alle Beamten der GNR aus, dass er nicht dort gewesen sei. Erst sieben Monate später erscheinen Presseberichte in denen eine Nanny und zwei Frauen ihn an dem Abend gesehen haben wollen. Dies wurde aber nie zu Protokoll gegeben und scheint nur einmal mehr eine lancierte Meldung ohne Beweise zu sein.

Was sagten nun die drei Freunde aus, das Robert Murat einen großen Schritt weiter zum Sündenbock trieb?

Alle drei bestätigten, dass er sich zusammen mit Angestellten des Ocean Clubs und Polizisten die halbe Nacht um den Tatort herumtrieb und sich ihnen NAMENTLICH vorstellte. Hier wollte man wohl jede Verwechslung vermeiden.

Der einzige Mensch der Robert Murat zu Hilfe kam, war besagter Martin Smith aus Irland, der mit seiner Familie ja fast sicher Gerry McCann zum Strand gehen sah mit einem schlafenden? Kind auf dem Arm. Als er die Berichte hörte, mit denen man versuchte seine Begegnung mit Robert Murat zu verknüpfen, stellte er sowohl bei der Polizei als auch in der Presse klar, dass der Mann, den er gesehen hatte, keineswegs Robert Murat gewesen wäre, denn den kannte er vom Sehen.

Dieser Versuch Robert zu unterstützen wurde allerdings nur von einer irischen Lokalzeitung aufgegriffen, in der britischen Presse war davon natürlich erst einmal nichts zu lesen.

Als klar wurde, dass Robert nicht wirklich der Entführer sein konnte und die Aussagen von Herrn Smith über Gerry an die Presse zu gelangen drohten dadurch, wurde ein merkwürdiger Rückzugsplan in Szene gesetzt. Hier einmal der zeitliche Ablauf der Rehabilitierung von Murat durch Team McCann:

13.November 2007: Brian Kennedy und Metodo3 zusammen mit dem später wegen Drogendiebstahls angeklagten Antonio Jimenez arrangieren ein Treffen mit der PJ und übergeben ein kleines Büchlein mit angeblich inkriminierenden Details über Murat, Malinka und Michaela Walzcuch

November 2007: Brian Kennedy trifft Murat im Haus seiner Tante.

Dezember 2007: Charlotte Pennington und zwei dubiose Schwestern erscheinen in den britischen Zeitungen und behaupten Rober Murat in der Nacht des 3. Mai in der Umgebung des Oceans Club gesehen zu haben. Sie sind die ersten "Zeugen" ausserhalb der Tapas Gruppe, die sich allerdings erst nach SIEBEN Monaten bei der Presse melden.

1. Januar 2008: Die Daily Mail berichtet dass Kate McCann Freunden anvertraut hätte, dass sie Robert Murat für verdächtig halte.

4. Januar 2008: Herr Smith und seine Familie erscheinen zum ersten Mal in der britischen Presse und bestätigen kategorisch, dass es NICHT Murat gewesen sei, den sie an dem Abend mit einem Kind auf dem Arm gesehen haben.

7. Januar 2008: In einer ersten Rückzugsaktion um möglichen Verleumdungsklagen vorzubeugen erscheint ein Bericht über die Ähnlichkeit von Robert Murat und David Payne in der Presse. Die beiden sehen sich übrigens in keinster Weise ähnlich.

24. January 2008: Da die Ähnlichkeit zwischen Murat und Payne nicht existiert wird nun Herr Symington, ein Immobilienmakler von den Medien hervorgezerrt, der Murat noch ähnlicher sehen soll. Ich habe ihn gesehen und er ist ein Hänfling im Vergleich zu Murat. Dumm nur dass die Tapasniks Robert Murat mit Namen genannt hatten, da nutzt kein Versuch, das Ganze als Verwechslung darzustellen.

27. Januar 2008: Die McCanns lassen durch die Presse feststellen dass Murat nicht der Kidnapper sei.

Wieviel Schuld hier die Presse und die Steuerung derselben durch Herrn Mitchell an der Verleumdung von Robert Murat tragen, sollte meiner Meinung nach in einer weiteren Klage geklärt werden. Immerhin hatte Clarence Mitchell noch als Reporter am Soham Fall gearbeitet und die Vergleiche zu Ian Huntley dem Mörder der beiden Mädchen waren sehr früh durch seine frühere Kollegin Lori Campbell auf Murat ausgerichtet worden.

Alles in allem eine dreckige Angelegenheit finde ich.





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EXCLUSIVE - 195 Leads revealed!!!
An independent investigation team consisting of an undisclosed number of case file analysts and interpreters, working for a pat on the back, have compiled what must surely be resembling much of the as yet undisclosed list of 195 leads painstakingly produced from a mass of evidence by the Scotland Yard investigation team.

After a careful review of all the evidence from the Portuguese police files and of course omitting spurious sightings, reports from mediums and clairvoyants, we finally came to the same conclusion as the highly paid SY team in that there is a 110% probability that Madeleine is either dead or alive, each possibility ranging around the 50% marker. We can also confirm that the theory of the parents' involvement is as much a conspiracy theory as the following list. We are convinced that the person who took Madeleine from the apartment, as seen by an Irish family of 7, is a criminal and should be treated as such. ASAP!

We therefore demand that the Portuguese plods pick up the investigation again where they dropped it in 2008 and start to investigate each of the 195 leads as regards to their possible significance. Or else campaigns will be started to urge people to refrain from ever listening to Fado again.


DOGS

1 cadaver dog alerting behind sofa
2 blood dog alerting behind sofa
3 matter found behind sofa containing DNA
4 DNA re 3 All five markers found are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile
5 cadaver dog alerting to hired car
6 blood dog alerting to hired car
7 matter found in hired car containing DNA
8 DNA re 7 Fifteen of the markers are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile
9 cadaver dog alerting in parent's bedroom near wardrobe
10 cadaver dog alerting in flowerbed
11 cadaver dog alerting at carkey
12 cadaver dog alerting at white top belonging to mother
13 cadaver dog alerting at checkered trousers of mother
14 cadaver dog alerting at red t-shirt with planes motive
15 cadaver dog alerting at cuddle cat
16 blood dog alerting to car key
17 neither cadaver dog nor blood dog alerting at ANY other apartment or car

BREAK-IN





18 The shutters were not "jemmied" or forced open, as claimed by the parents
19 No signs of forced entry anywhere else in the apartment
20 No physical evidence of anyone having entered or left via the window
21 No lichen disturbance on the window sill
22 No fibres
23 No finger prints of an abductor on either window
24 No footprints on the bed
25 Only finger prints on the window are those of Kate
26 Changing statements as to the state of the curtains - opened/closed
27 Only a minute "window of opportunity" between Gerry seeing the shutter still closed and Jane spotting the abductor. A couple of minutes for opening the shutters, window and curtain, taking Madeleine, leaving the apartment, crossing the carpark and walking towards the street where he was seen.
28 Gerry changed his statement re point of entry at 21:04 from front door to patio door
29 Gerry claims Kate entered 5A through front door with key, Kate says patio door
30 Gerry changes his statement from Matt having seen closed shutters to Matt being unsure about the state of the shutters

SMITH SIGHTING


31 A family of 7 encounter a man carrying a child while going home from a pub at 22:00 on May 3rd.
32 The child is of Madeleine's age and height and resembles Madeleine
33 The man is of the same height, has the same hair and general appearance of Gerry McCann
34 Mr Smith is 60-80 % certain that the person they saw was Gerry McCann
35 Aoife Smith describes the pants of the man as having buttons as ornaments
36 Gerry McCann is photographed once as owning such pants
37 The time of the encounter is the exact same time as the alleged detection of the disappearance although latter is not corroborated by independent witnesses
38 The sighting - although reported once in an irish paper - is never picked up by british media or the McCanns although it would have been the best confirmation for an abduction.
39 Only two years later the Smith sighting becomes part of their "documentary" although the key points get changed to fit the Tanner sighting
40 Pressure put on the PJ to highlight the Tanner sighting came at exactly the same time as the Smith family were being brought back to Portugal to go over the sighting in more detail
41 The sighting was in a different part of town from the Tanner sighting
42 The carrying style was completely different to that of the Tanner sighting
43 The man was heading in a completely different direction from the Tanner sighting
44 There was a time difference of 45 minutes between both sightings
45 Goncalo Amaral was removed from the case just when he tried to get the Smiths to Portugal again
46 Brian Kennedy contacted the Smiths to get them to take part in creating a photofit.
47 No innocent person ever came forward regarding the sighting
48 The child was carried without a blanket despite the cold night

JANE TANNER SIGHTING

49 Regarding the sighting by Jane Tanner of the abductor none of the scent tracking dogs followed the trail indicated by Jane, but different routes
50 Jeremy Wilkins (independent witness) failed to spot the abductor, despite being only yards away, while chatting to Gerry
51 Jeremy Wilkins (independent witness) failed to see Jane Tanner walking by, despite being on the same narrow sidewalk at the same time
52 Gerry McCann failed to spot the abductor, despite being only yards away, while chatting to Jeremy
53 Gerry contradicted Jeremy by stating that their chat was on the opposite side of and about 30 yards down the road from that as described, and drawn on a map, by Mr Wilkins
54 Gerry also contradicted Tanner, by stating that his chat with Jeremy was on the opposite side of and about 30 yards down the road from that mentioned by Jane
55 Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters at Madeleine's bedroom while walking to her apartment at ~21.15
56 Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters at Madeleine's bedroom while walking from her apartment at ~21.20
57 Jane never bumped into Jeremy Wilkins (who had walked back to his apartment after the chat with Gerry) while walking back from her apartment at ~21.20
58 Russell O'Brien failed to spot the open window and shutters at Madeleine's bedroom while walking to his apartment at ~21.30
59 Matthew Oldfield failed to spot the open window and shutters at Madeleine's bedroom while walking to his apartment, which was right next door, at ~21.30
60 Matthew failed to spot the open window and shutters at Madeleine's bedroom while walking back from his apartment back to check on the McCann children
61 Matthew failed to spot the open window and shutters while checking on Madeleine and the twins
62 Jane failed to spot the open window and shutters at Madeleine's bedroom while walking to her apartment at ~21.45
63 Russell failed to spot the open window and shutters at Madeleine's bedroom while walking back from his apartment at ~21.50
64 Tanner's description of the abductor has changed several times
65 Tanner's description of the pyjama's worn by the child has improved with time
66 Gerry did not hear the raising of the shutters by the abductor while standing in the street with Wilkins
67 Jeremy Wilkins did not hear the raising of the shutters by the abductor while standing in the street with Gerry
68 The abductor failed to hear either Tanner, Gerry or Wilkins, and continued on the path that would put him in the full vision of all three
69 If the abductor had lifted Madeleine out of the bed, then he would be carrying her with her head to his right hand side, not on the left as in Tanner's claimed sighting
70 Although Gerry checked all rooms in the apartment during his check he did not spot the hiding abductor
71 The abductor did not raise the shutters while Gerry was inside the apartment
72 Jane was not only not seen by Gerry and Jeremy but also not heard although she was wearing flip-flops
73 Nobody ever mentioned the cars in the road but independent witnesses spoke of at least 2 cars parked close to the pavement where Gerry and Jez were standing, narrowing Jane's path so much that it was impossible she was not noticed by the two men.
74 Jane does not inform the parents of her sighting immediately. Only some of the friends
75 Although the friends know of her sighting their searches are directed in the opposite direction of where the abductor headed to.

GEORGE BROOKS SIGHTING

76 A George Brooks saw a couple at 5:55 on the morning of May 4th on his way between Lagos and Praia da Luz
77 The man was carrying a child
78 At this time the McCanns had left the apartment and were somewhere in the vicinity of Praia da Luz
79 They had left the apartment around 5:00 when the police and all search groups had left the area
80 They were never asked where exactly they had gone
81 Kate claimed in her book they "resumed" their search that early morning although they never went searching the night before
82 The night before Gerry was overheard on his mobile talking about a gang of paedophiles having abducted Madeleine
83 The next day around 9:30 Kate claimed in a conversation with Yvonne Martin, a social worker, that Madeleine had been abducted by a childless couple

LAST TIME SEEN

84 In their statements the friends of the McCanns have difficulty to pinpoint the last time they saw Madeleine
85 Dianne Webster, whose statements are the only consistent ones, states she saw Madeleine on the 2nd May for the last time.
86 Kate McCann claims in her book that the 2nd May was the last happy day as a family of four. What about the 3rd?
87 The creche sheets are a mess, partly filled out by the nannies in retrospect, partly not at all. No credible evidence for the whereabouts of Madeleine
88 There are no reports about the creche activity in Madeleine's group for the afternoon of May 3rd
89 There are strong discrepancies regarding the morning activity of sailing undertaken by the creche
90 The nanny does not remember if she accompanied 5 (without Madeleine) or 6 (with Madeleine) children to the beach that morning
91 Whereas her first recollections are vague they improve one year later when she recollects an incident on one of the boats where Madeleine was crying.
92 The nanny could only have entered a boat with Madeleine by leaving 3 remaining children alone on the beach
93 Initially some of the friends claimed that Madeleine had taken part in the children's tennis on the morning of the 3rd
94 Madeleine and Ella were allegedly sailing while their parents and friends watched unknown children playing tennis on the court
95 Kate went back to the apartment on Tuesday to fetch her camera for the tennis court photo of Madeleine but never bothered to even watch her sailing
96 Even in 2008 Rachael Oldfield still claimed that Madeleine had been at the tennis on the morning of the 3rd
97 While Jane claims to have seen Madeleine at the sailing, Kate now states in her book that Fiona was unsure wether Madeleine had been at the sailing

CHANGES IN ROUTINE


98 Changes in the holiday routine mark May 3rd as a special day
99 While the McCanns claimed they had only ever attended breakfast once on the Sunday, six employees of the Millenium restaurant stated that they had attended regularly. Did they skip breakfast only on the 3rd?
100 Lunch was usually taken in the Payne's apartment with the whole group, but not on May 3rd
101 The whole group apart from the McCanns went to the beach that afternoon - and did not see Madeleine
102 The whole group apart from the McCanns did not attend the usual children's dinner on May 3rd - and did not see Madeleine there
103 The McCanns did not take part in the get together on the children's playground on May 3rd - so Madeleine was not seen by the rest of the group
104 Russell O'Brien collected his daughter from the creche before the children's dinner - but failed to notice if Madeleine was there or not


STATEMENTS

105 Russell O'Brien was allowed to make at least 34 amendments to his original statement given to Leicestershire police
106 Russell O'Brien changed his statement regarding when and where he collected his daughter from the afternoon creche on May 3rd
107 Russell O'Brien claimed that Matthew had been ill on Saturday and had not taken part in the dinner and later changed it to Matt started feeling unwell during that dinner
108 Russell O'Brien claimed that the Paynes were the only ones to have used a baby monitor and changed this into the Paynes had used a baby-monitor
109 Russell O'Brien claimed that they only checked on their own rooms possibly listening for the other's children and changed this into OFTEN listened at other windows and made checks on some visits
110 Russell O'Brien claimed to have checked the McCann's apartment with the help of their key on the Sunday and changed it into checking via the patio doors
111 Russell O'Brien claimed to have checked the Oldfield's apartment with the help of their key on the Sunday but Matthew Oldfield claims to have been inside sick.
112 Russell O'Brien changed this statement "I believe I saw Madeleine at lunchtime" into "I saw Madeleine at lunchtime" although there was no chance to see her at lunchtime since they did not have lunch together.
113 Russell O'Brien claimed that Gerry had left the table between "twenty-one zero five to twenty-one twenty" and changed it into "Gerry was only away for a little while"
114 Matthew Oldfield described the curtains in 5A as being yellow and green when in fact they were pink/mauve
115 Matthew Oldfield described the little table with a lamp as being round when in fact it was square
116 Matthew Oldfield claimed the children's bedroom had two windows when in fact it had only one.
117 Matthew Oldfield desribed a bookshelf in 5A that he looked along during his check when in fact there was no bookshelf to look along
118 Yellow/green curtains, a lamp on a round table and a bookshelf were part of apartment 5D and not 5A
119 Matthew Oldfield initially stated that Kate and the children had been at the tennis court Thursday afternoon contradicting everybody else
120 Matthew Oldfield claimed he met the Paynes and Dianne Webster on Thursday night near the top of the road, David Payne states he met him at the pool area and Fiona Payne states she met him outside of 5A. Dianne Webster never saw him at all and thinks he was not at the restaurant when they arrived.
121 Jane Tanner claimed she had done a listening check on the Oldfield window on May 2nd although Rachael Oldfield was allegedly sick inside the apartment
122 Jane Tanner claimed that each apartment was checked every 15 minutes whereas the McCanns insist on checks every 30 minutes
123 Jane Tanner claimed that she knew Gerry had already been in the apartment when she encountered him talking to Jeremy Wilkins. How did she know that?
124 Neither Jane Tanner nor Russell O'Brien ever mentioned to portuguese police that they took a baby monitor to Portugal. Only one year later this baby monitor suddenly appeared in her rogatory statement
125 Jane Tanner never mentioned cars on the road while she saw the abductor
126 David Payne claimed that during his visit at 5A the patio door was open and he entered the apartment while Kate claims the door was closed and he remained outside


MISC.

127 Kate claimed that Madeleine slept under the covers during her last night because of the cold, Gerry claimed she slept on top of the covers because of the heat
128 The cleaner stated that there had been one cot placed in the parent's bedroom during the week, while the McCanns vehemently deny this
129 The McCanns both deleted their mobile phone history
130 Michael Wright confirmed an unpleasant smell in the hired car during the month of July
131 A police witness stated that the boot of the hired car had been left open for a number of consecutive days
132 Metodo 3 hired as their private investigators although they had no experience in missing people cases
133 The blue/black bag seen in the pictures taken during the night of May 3rd is allegedly missing when police search the villa
134 The McCanns NEVER question their friends in spite of the Gaspar statement and lots of changes in their statements
135 Gerry McCann planned special events to commemorate her disappearance months in advance
136 The FUND (a whole field to investigate - good for at least 10 leads)
147 The tacky online store
148 No physical search by Kate on the evening of May 3rd, no physical searches by both parents the following days
149 They NEVER went anywhere near a country a sighting happened, instead went to different countries to promote the SEARCH
150 The India sighting was never confirmed by police
151 In fact most sightings were never really followed up by their investigators, the media attention seemed enough
152 Shortly after Gerry McCann had visited the Netherlands a letter arrived at a dutch newpaper pinpointing Madeleine's body
153 All friends of the McCanns refused a reconstruction in Portugal
154 Gerry caught on camera laughing his head off only a few days after his daughter had been 'abducted by paedophiles' as claimed by the parents
155 Kate refused to answer 48 questions
156 Despite the possibility that Madeleine's disappearance could have been an inside job the twins were placed in the creche the next day
157 Despite the proximity of the apartment to the Tapas restaurant Kate left the twins alone to alert the friends and Gerry instead of shouting from the balcony
158 As soon as Mark Harrison organised the search with the british dogs the McCanns started trips to a triangle between Budens, Raposeira and Sagres
159 Kate checked the breathing of the twins during the night of May 3rd
160 The twins never woke up during the police search despite many people entering their bedroom
161 The only people having allegedly seen Murat around the apartment on the night of May 3rd were Fiona Payne, Russell O'Brien, Rachael Oldfield and possibly Jane Tanner
162 Nobody who knew Robert Murat saw him that night around the apartment
163 Robert Murat translated the statements of the nannies and of Dianne Webster, most crucial statements regarding the whereabouts of Madeleine on May 3rd
164 Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine crying for 1 hour and 15 minutes on May 1st
165 One child threw a tantrum on May 2nd on the playground and had to be carried home. At the same time the McCanns claim Madeleine claimed to have cried.
166 The crying stopped abruptly.
167 Kate McCann was alone in the apartment at 20:15 on May 2nd getting the children to sleep while her husband was already at the Tapas restaurant
168 Kate McCann left the restaurant 5 minutes after Gerry on May 2nd
169 Gerry uttered in a spanish interview that their persecution had been bad, but not as bad as the "night we found her"
170 Madeleine's bed, that had been made on Wednesday morning for the last time, looked very neat Thursday night
171 Although they claimed that they had no buggy for the trip to the Millenium breakfast they had buggies for the trip to the beach on Tuesday
172 Although they claimed that the trip to the beach happened on Tuesday, the creche records clearly suggest it happened on Monday
173 If there had been a 1 nanny for 3 children ratio as the McCanns claimed, why did Catriona Baker lead 5 OR 6 children alone to the beach?
174 Why had Madeleine a "sunburn" on her right arm as shown in the tennis picture?
175 Russell O'Brien claimed to have collected his daughter from the creche before 16:45 but also stated that he finished sailing at 16:30 and then went for a swim
176 Where was Russell O'Brien between 16:45 and 17:52 when he arrived at the beach restaurant Paraiso?
177 Why did he not sign his daughter out from the creche that afternoon?
178 The sailing instructors Alice and Chris were not formally interviewed but could have possibly confirmed wether Madeleine had taken part in the sailing on the morning of the 3rd
179 Gerry McCann stated that David Payne had entered their apartment to check on Maddie and the twins on the evening of May 2nd
180 The above statement was never repeated nor followed up
181 Gerry McCann was not in the apartment when Dianne Webster entered it for the first time after the abduction possibly at the time of the Smith sighting
182 Kate McCann claims in her book that Gerry was searching together with David Payne at that time but their witness statements say otherwise
183 The time of the first alarm given by Kate was never confirmed by independent witnesses. Statements suggest the alarm had been raised around 21:45
184 There was a Junior Group (6-10 year olds) in the same room above the reception that never got a mention
185 This explains the statement by one nanny that Madeleine had mainly played with the older children.
186 The nannies were transfered to Greece on May 13th and were no longer available to the police
187 One nanny was invited by the McCanns into their home before the rogatory interviews
188 The same nanny got a new job afterwards and her whereabouts were withheld on the request of the McCanns according to the media
189 Research shows that this nanny is now working for a multimillionaire in Manhattan
190 The McCanns used the media to introduce changes in their story
191 e.g. the additional baby monitor of Jane Tanner entered the story through a briefing by Gerry McCann given David James Smith of The Times
192 Charlotte Pennington allegedly remembered Robert Murat being in the vicinity of 5A after a visit by Metodo3 7 months after the disappearance
193 Two other witnesses remember Murat as well after 7 months
194 Brian Kennedy and Antonio Jimenez from Metodo 3 visited the PJ in November 2007 with alleged evidence incriminating Robert Murat and two other people
195 Antonio Jimenez was later jailed for stealing drugs from a police storage


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Message: Dear Mr. Smith,

In your article "Kate and Gerry McCann: Beyond the smears", from 16th December 2007, you mention this fact: "Russell O’Brien
and Jane Tanner had brought a monitor too, but theirs wasn’t getting much of a signal from the Tapas restaurant 50 yards away."


D. Smith:
[...] however, I had a long briefing with Gerry McCann before I wrote my article and I guess the baby monitor info came from him. I am aware that many discrepancies arose in the portuguese statements through misunderstandings of language. And you ought to be aware that there will always be minor discrepancies of fact in statements - failings of memory, interpretation and so on - which are not in themselves sinister or suspicious.
unquote

The full question asked D Smith was:
The couple never mentioned to the PJ that they brought a monitor as well, in all their statements they claim that the Paynes were
the only ones with a baby monitor. Only in April 2008, in the rogatory interviews conducted by Leicestershire Police, this piece
of information appeared. It might seem a small omission, but in the light of possible neglect charges, would have been important.
Jane Tanner claims in the rogatory interview that she brought it with her in the evenings and positioned it on a ledge/wall behind
her. This was NEVER mentioned to portuguese Police as the released statements show. The question I have is, how did you
get this info before the rogatory interviews even took place? I know you have to protect sources, but this seems a very strange
inside knowledge.
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Re: This is VERY interesting

Post  tigger on Tue 4 Dec - 18:22

That's a clever trick, how did you manage to make the print re-appear?

Thanks, I'll copy and paste it in my files!

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Post  Guest on Tue 4 Dec - 18:47

Gerry claimed in Vanity Fair that the twins were sleeping on top of a bed, then later changed it to "in their cots".

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Post  Panda on Tue 4 Dec - 19:12

Crikey.....that was a long read without really enlightening.Never heard of David Smith and the German ? didin't give his name but he did get the Irish family saga wrong. first of all Mr Smith went to the PJ to say he had seen a man carrying a child, a couple of days later the Family returned to Ireland . It was when he saw the T.V. coverage of the McCanns returning to England in September and noticed Gerry carrying Sean in an upright position that he realised that was the way the Man in PDL carried HIS child. He phoned the PJ and they sent the Irish Garda to take statements from the Family, but Mrs smith declined, suggesting she wasn't so sure. Brian Kennedy supposedly went to Ireland to interview the Smiths.

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Post  tigger on Tue 4 Dec - 19:36

Panda wrote:Crikey.....that was a long read without really enlightening.Never heard of David Smith and the German ? didin't give his name but he did get the Irish family saga wrong. first of all Mr Smith went to the PJ to say he had seen a man carrying a child, a couple of days later the Family returned to Ireland . It was when he saw the T.V. coverage of the McCanns returning to England in September and noticed Gerry carrying Sean in an upright position that he realised that was the way the Man in PDL carried HIS child. He phoned the PJ and they sent the Irish Garda to take statements from the Family, but Mrs smith declined, suggesting she wasn't so sure. Brian Kennedy supposedly went to Ireland to interview the Smiths.

It doesn't give a timeline on the Smiths, just point by point facts. I think there were 9 not 7 people in total and it isn't mentioned here that the pyjamatop of that girl was long-sleeved, whereas the Eyoore ones of Maddie were short sleeved.

Otherwise I find the changes in statements very useful and these are by no means all the changes. I think it's quite a handy although very long list of salient points, adding up to no abduction and quite a lot of questions.

I find that two major points emerge from the David Smith correspondence, how rude he is when a member of the public asks him a perfectly logical question.
Also that he himself said that he had quite a long briefing from GM. That isn't journalism, that's being told what to print. David Smith shows himself here to have a fixed idea as to the 'truth' and isn't willing to discuss discrepancies. Good journalism it aint.

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Post  BelEddie on Wed 5 Dec - 9:12

tigger wrote:That's a clever trick, how did you manage to make the print re-appear?

Thanks, I'll copy and paste it in my files!


Tigger, I just C n P it.

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